RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-27 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
The windows os is there and working but there doesn’t appear to be any bootcamp 
drivers in existence
But things still seem to work ok.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ronald van Rhijn
Sent: Saturday, 28 December 2019 3:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

No issues here upgrading to Catalina.
Is your Bootcamp lost now?
That’s always a fear of mine, I once read someone lost his complete Bootcamp 
partition after an OS X update.

Ronald




Op 27 dec. 2019, om 09:22 heeft Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> het volgende geschreven:

I just updated my mac book pro 2018 from Mojave to Catalina,

The boot camp installation I had in Mojave appears to have completely lost the 
boot camp drivers for the windows side.

Has anyone else had anything like this happen before with this update?



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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Ronald van Rhijn
Sent: Friday, 27 December 2019 7:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Hi,

I have never had any missing first syllables, so I cannot comment on that. The 
update of Bootcamp finally makes it possible again to use the Bootcamp Utility 
to boot to Mac OS X though.
I now use Bootcamp  for about 9 years and works great for me. Have tried VM, 
but found it slow and troublesome.
The only thing I am still missing is the ability to read Mac OS X files on 
Windows, this ended with the new file system I guess. For those times, I have 
important files in my Dropbox folder, so i can access them any time at any 
operating system.
One note people should be aware of about Bootcamp is that although many people 
say Windows runs even smoother on Bootcamp than on a native Windows pc, Apple 
is the one making it possible to run Windows on their Macs. In other words, 
Apple has to develop the software and drivers  for Bootcamp to function 
properly.
The Mac OS X version you are running must support the Windows version you want 
to use under Bootcamp. Then there’s some lack of (gooed) support for certain 
hardware, waht can affect perfomance under Windows.
I  in fact read such case with the new Macbook Pro 16 not performing well under 
Windows when running certain benchmarks.
I can say in the last couple of 9 years there have hbeen only a few updates for 
Bootcamp. All that said I never had any problems running any version of windows 
or Mac oS X.
Until last update that is… There was installed a new driver for my Wifi module 
and my speeds dropped to terrible speeds. This was only in Windows. After 
searching all across the internet I found the problem and could correct it with 
an older driver. Apple’s support on Bootcamp is not very extensive or even very 
visible.

hth,
Ronald

Op 24 dec. 2019, om 16:15 heeft ke...@kellford.com<mailto:ke...@kellford.com> 
het volgende geschreven:

Hi,

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

Kelly

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-27 Thread Ronald van Rhijn 
No issues here upgrading to Catalina.
Is your Bootcamp lost now?
That’s always a fear of mine, I once read someone lost his complete Bootcamp 
partition after an OS X update.

Ronald



> Op 27 dec. 2019, om 09:22 heeft Simon A Fogarty  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> I just updated my mac book pro 2018 from Mojave to Catalina,
>  
> The boot camp installation I had in Mojave appears to have completely lost 
> the boot camp drivers for the windows side.
>  
> Has anyone else had anything like this happen before with this update?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ronald van Rhijn
> Sent: Friday, 27 December 2019 7:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I have never had any missing first syllables, so I cannot comment on that. 
> The update of Bootcamp finally makes it possible again to use the Bootcamp 
> Utility to boot to Mac OS X though. 
> I now use Bootcamp  for about 9 years and works great for me. Have tried VM, 
> but found it slow and troublesome.
> The only thing I am still missing is the ability to read Mac OS X files on 
> Windows, this ended with the new file system I guess. For those times, I have 
> important files in my Dropbox folder, so i can access them any time at any 
> operating system.
> One note people should be aware of about Bootcamp is that although many 
> people say Windows runs even smoother on Bootcamp than on a native Windows 
> pc, Apple is the one making it possible to run Windows on their Macs. In 
> other words, Apple has to develop the software and drivers  for Bootcamp to 
> function properly.
> The Mac OS X version you are running must support the Windows version you 
> want to use under Bootcamp. Then there’s some lack of (gooed) support for 
> certain hardware, waht can affect perfomance under Windows.
> I  in fact read such case with the new Macbook Pro 16 not performing well 
> under Windows when running certain benchmarks. 
> I can say in the last couple of 9 years there have hbeen only a few updates 
> for Bootcamp. All that said I never had any problems running any version of 
> windows or Mac oS X.
> Until last update that is… There was installed a new driver for my Wifi 
> module and my speeds dropped to terrible speeds. This was only in Windows. 
> After searching all across the internet I found the problem and could correct 
> it with an older driver. Apple’s support on Bootcamp is not very extensive or 
> even very visible.
>  
> hth,
> Ronald
>  
> Op 24 dec. 2019, om 16:15 heeft ke...@kellford.com 
> <mailto:ke...@kellford.com> het volgende geschreven:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
> screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
> but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.
>  
> Kelly
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-27 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
I just updated my mac book pro 2018 from Mojave to Catalina,

The boot camp installation I had in Mojave appears to have completely lost the 
boot camp drivers for the windows side.

Has anyone else had anything like this happen before with this update?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Friday, 27 December 2019 7:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Hi,

I have never had any missing first syllables, so I cannot comment on that. The 
update of Bootcamp finally makes it possible again to use the Bootcamp Utility 
to boot to Mac OS X though.
I now use Bootcamp  for about 9 years and works great for me. Have tried VM, 
but found it slow and troublesome.
The only thing I am still missing is the ability to read Mac OS X files on 
Windows, this ended with the new file system I guess. For those times, I have 
important files in my Dropbox folder, so i can access them any time at any 
operating system.
One note people should be aware of about Bootcamp is that although many people 
say Windows runs even smoother on Bootcamp than on a native Windows pc, Apple 
is the one making it possible to run Windows on their Macs. In other words, 
Apple has to develop the software and drivers  for Bootcamp to function 
properly.
The Mac OS X version you are running must support the Windows version you want 
to use under Bootcamp. Then there’s some lack of (gooed) support for certain 
hardware, waht can affect perfomance under Windows.
I  in fact read such case with the new Macbook Pro 16 not performing well under 
Windows when running certain benchmarks.
I can say in the last couple of 9 years there have hbeen only a few updates for 
Bootcamp. All that said I never had any problems running any version of windows 
or Mac oS X.
Until last update that is… There was installed a new driver for my Wifi module 
and my speeds dropped to terrible speeds. This was only in Windows. After 
searching all across the internet I found the problem and could correct it with 
an older driver. Apple’s support on Bootcamp is not very extensive or even very 
visible.

hth,
Ronald

Op 24 dec. 2019, om 16:15 heeft ke...@kellford.com<mailto:ke...@kellford.com> 
het volgende geschreven:

Hi,

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

Kelly

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread Ronald van Rhijn 
Ok that’s great.
I dont have an additional storage plan for iCloud and all my space is taken by 
my Apple devices;) So I cannot use it at the moment.

Ronald

Ronald


> Op 26 dec. 2019, om 20:12 heeft 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   iCloud for Windows is still alive and well and was just updated this week.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 12/26/2019 11:02 AM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>> iCloud for Windows
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
   iCloud for Windows is still alive and well and was just updated this 
week.


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On 12/26/2019 11:02 AM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread Ronald van Rhijn 
Hi Dave,

Dont know, never used it. But I have heard of the iCloud for Windows 
application, which ET speaks of. If thats still available, that should work. 
Although I remember some issues with it a while ago. Perhaps some real users of 
it can shine in here.

Ronald


> Op 26 dec. 2019, om 19:08 heeft Dave Carlson  het 
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> Ronald,
> So you say that your means of sharing files between Mac OS and Windows is via 
> Dropbox? iCloud does not work?
> 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

   You need to install iCloud for Windows then you can use iCloud Drive.

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Ronald,
So you say that your means of sharing files between Mac OS and Windows 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread Dave Carlson 
Ronald,
So you say that your means of sharing files between Mac OS and Windows is via 
Dropbox? iCloud does not work?

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread Ronald van Rhijn 
Hi,

I have never had any missing first syllables, so I cannot comment on that. The 
update of Bootcamp finally makes it possible again to use the Bootcamp Utility 
to boot to Mac OS X though. 
I now use Bootcamp  for about 9 years and works great for me. Have tried VM, 
but found it slow and troublesome.
The only thing I am still missing is the ability to read Mac OS X files on 
Windows, this ended with the new file system I guess. For those times, I have 
important files in my Dropbox folder, so i can access them any time at any 
operating system.
One note people should be aware of about Bootcamp is that although many people 
say Windows runs even smoother on Bootcamp than on a native Windows pc, Apple 
is the one making it possible to run Windows on their Macs. In other words, 
Apple has to develop the software and drivers  for Bootcamp to function 
properly.
The Mac OS X version you are running must support the Windows version you want 
to use under Bootcamp. Then there’s some lack of (gooed) support for certain 
hardware, waht can affect perfomance under Windows.
I  in fact read such case with the new Macbook Pro 16 not performing well under 
Windows when running certain benchmarks. 
I can say in the last couple of 9 years there have hbeen only a few updates for 
Bootcamp. All that said I never had any problems running any version of windows 
or Mac oS X.
Until last update that is… There was installed a new driver for my Wifi module 
and my speeds dropped to terrible speeds. This was only in Windows. After 
searching all across the internet I found the problem and could correct it with 
an older driver. Apple’s support on Bootcamp is not very extensive or even very 
visible.

hth,
Ronald

> Op 24 dec. 2019, om 16:15 heeft ke...@kellford.com het volgende geschreven:
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> Hi,
>  
> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
> screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
> but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.
>  
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-26 Thread matthew dyer 
Hi

Y" go through apple soutware update. and if there are any update it should 
notify you and allow you to download and insta'll.
Hth.

Matthew

On Dec 25, 2019 11:50 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
How do you update the boot camp drivers?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2019, at 2:04 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
> By default boot camp sets the windows partition at approx. 40 gig
>
> I then using the slider change my windows partition to allow for apps and 
> everything else to be installed so I set the win partition to approx. 50% of 
> the available size.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2019 5:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>
>Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed, you 
> need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder in 
> Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you use Time 
> Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the whole folder 
> every time you do something in Windows.
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>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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>> On 12/24/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
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>> partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option
>> seeming a bit frightening?
>>
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
Apple put some drivers or installer packages in to the windows programs and 
features on the windows machine.

If there is an apple or bootcamp update then it is pushed to the machine 
through their app lication manager 

I actually saw a bootcamp update on one of my machines the other day 
I don't believe I installed it but it's available anyway.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hodge
Sent: Thursday, 26 December 2019 5:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

How do you update the boot camp drivers?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2019, at 2:04 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> By default boot camp sets the windows partition at approx. 40 gig
> 
> I then using the slider change my windows partition to allow for apps and 
> everything else to be installed so I set the win partition to approx. 50% of 
> the available size.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2019 5:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
> 
>Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed, you 
> need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder in 
> Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you use Time 
> Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the whole folder 
> every time you do something in Windows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
>> On 12/24/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
>> partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option 
>> seeming a bit frightening?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-25 Thread Cameron Strife 
Apple software update in windows should bring up a "new updates are
available" dialogue box. Simply follow the prompts. Mine took a couple
of minutes and then required a restart.




On 12/25/19, joseph hodge  wrote:
> How do you update the boot camp drivers?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 2:04 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
>> wrote:
>>
>> By default boot camp sets the windows partition at approx. 40 gig
>>
>> I then using the slider change my windows partition to allow for apps and
>> everything else to be installed so I set the win partition to approx. 50%
>> of the available size.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2019 5:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>>
>>Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed,
>> you need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder
>> in Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you use
>> Time Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the whole
>> folder every time you do something in Windows.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>>> On 12/24/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>>> E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp
>>> partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option
>>> seeming a bit frightening?
>>>
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-25 Thread joseph hodge 
How do you update the boot camp drivers?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2019, at 2:04 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> By default boot camp sets the windows partition at approx. 40 gig 
> 
> I then using the slider change my windows partition to allow for apps and 
> everything else to be installed so I set the win partition to approx. 50% of 
> the available size.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2019 5:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
> 
>Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed, you 
> need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder in 
> Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you use Time 
> Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the whole folder 
> every time you do something in Windows.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 12/24/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
>> partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option 
>> seeming a bit frightening?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
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>> 
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
By default boot camp sets the windows partition at approx. 40 gig 

I then using the slider change my windows partition to allow for apps and 
everything else to be installed so I set the win partition to approx. 50% of 
the available size.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2019 5:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed, you 
need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder in 
Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you use Time 
Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the whole folder 
every time you do something in Windows.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/24/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
> partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option 
> seeming a bit frightening?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
While in the mac system start up the boot camp assistant and then follow the 
prompts as they are given,

Boot camp does the hard work, you just have to answer the questions given by 
the system

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2019 4:55 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

Another Boot Camp question: To run Windows, do you need to shut down Mac OS and 
then launch Windows from the log on greeting section? Or can you switch 
back/forth between the two without rebooting?


Dave Carlson
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread kelly 
Hi Jason,

 

It is fairly straight forward for the braille display.  VMWare allows you to 
determine where a connected device should go, ie. Mac or Windows and you can 
change this.  I’d say it isn’t the sort of thing that you can just flip each 
time you move between the virtual environment and Mac but if you are going to 
be working in one environment for more than a bit, you just change the option.

 

As far as the license, when you use VMWare’s easy installer, there is an option 
to enter a product key.  You can also skip that option and still pick what 
version of Windows you want to install such as Home or Professional.  If you 
skip the product key during install, it is no different from doing so during a 
full Windows installation.  There are options within Windows for activation 
after the OS is fully installed.

 

 

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 7:09 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

How are braille displays handled when using a virtual machine under Mac OS? Can 
you easily change which operating system is controlling the braille display?

 

Also, as a side question, with either a virtual machine or Bootcamp, how is the 
Windows license obtained? Do you purchase it somewhere and enter a product key?

 

I’ve read somewhere that Linux won’t run on newer Mac systems that have the T2 
security chip, so having all three operating systems installed together may not 
be viable, unless you’re using virtual machines of course.

 

My personal solution is to have a Lenovo laptop that runs both Windows and 
Linux, and a Mac that is just for Mac OS. This isn’t ideal, and I may 
reconsider if and when I upgrade my Mac.

 

From: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 13:00
To: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi Kelly,

 

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

 

Thanks for any help,

Pete De Vasto

 

On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com <mailto:ke...@kellford.com>  
mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at  
<http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/>
 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries < 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.





On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, < <mailto:ke...@kellford.com> ke...@kellford.com> <

RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread kelly 
Hi Pete,

 

I made these key assignments under the general preferences in the keyboard 
settings.  There are several keyboard profiles.  I modified the existing 
Windows 10 profile.

 

In my case I assigned the key to the left of the 1 key on the keyboard to be 
caps lock.  I also assigned ctrl+back slash to what Fusion called menu.  This 
is the equivalent of the application or context key on the keyboard.

 

Right now the computer I’m using is actually running Windows in Boot Camp so 
I’m not able to give the exact steps from memory of making the key assignments. 
 There are from and to fields and options on both if you want modifiers.  If 
you try this and run into an issue let me know.

 

For all, one other thing I like about Fusion is actually using the program as 
the name implies in Fusion mode.  When you choose that option from the View 
menu, your Mac and Windows apps are all available when you use Command+tab to 
switch apps on the Mac.  For me this works great and the Windows screen reader 
kicks in each time you are in a Windows window.

 

Kelly

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi Kelly,

 

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

 

Thanks for any help,

Pete De Vasto





On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com <mailto:ke...@kellford.com>  
mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at  
<http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/>
 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries < 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.






On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, < <mailto:ke...@kellford.com> ke...@kellford.com> < 
<mailto:ke...@kellford.com> ke...@kellford.com> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
How are braille displays handled when using a virtual machine under Mac OS? Can 
you easily change which operating system is controlling the braille display?

 

Also, as a side question, with either a virtual machine or Bootcamp, how is the 
Windows license obtained? Do you purchase it somewhere and enter a product key?

 

I’ve read somewhere that Linux won’t run on newer Mac systems that have the T2 
security chip, so having all three operating systems installed together may not 
be viable, unless you’re using virtual machines of course.

 

My personal solution is to have a Lenovo laptop that runs both Windows and 
Linux, and a Mac that is just for Mac OS. This isn’t ideal, and I may 
reconsider if and when I upgrade my Mac.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Pete De 
Vasto 
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 13:00
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi Kelly,

 

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

 

Thanks for any help,

Pete De Vasto



On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com  wrote:

 

Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.




On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15,   wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Dave Carlson 
Thanks for that point w/r Time Machine.

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Pete De Vasto 
Hi Kelly,

I’ve been using VMware Fusion for quite some time now, too, and I’m happy, as 
you are, being able to simply toggle between the two OS’s with out rebooting. I 
read the short article you talked about, and I am interested in learning more 
about how you were able to map the context menu key. Which preferences do you 
go into, is it the main VMWare preferences or the settings for the individual 
machine. Also, what key did you assign?

Thanks for any help,
Pete De Vasto

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:35 AM, ke...@kellford.com  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
> Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it 
> prompts you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine 
> boots into Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.
>  
> In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But 
> I will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
> device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device 
> around for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs 
> for Boot Camp.
>  
> That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
> use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
> fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
> their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a 
> different key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
> http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/
>  
> <http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/>.
>  
> I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
> some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
> ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.
>  
> I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
> under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
> responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.
>  
> Kelly
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>  
> Hi There.
>  
> Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I 
> am wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> 
>> mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
>> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
>> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the 
>> different screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such 
>> were released but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were 
>> updates from Apple.
>>  
>> Kelly
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread matthew dyer 
Hi,

I  still noticed this on my Mac mini after an update all though not as bad.  

Matthew



> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:15 AM, ke...@kellford.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
> screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
   Also it being a partition which will not shrink or expand as needed, 
you need to plan ahead. VMware Fusion on the other hand creates a folder 
in Documents so total disk space that macOS includes both. But if you 
use Time Machine you need to exclude that folder for it will backup the 
whole folder every time you do something in Windows.


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E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option 
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

   Probably the behind the scenes workings that Boot Camp requires.

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Dave Carlson 
E.T., Okay, that sounds less than the 128Gb suggested for a Boot Camp 
partition. Other than the cost for VMWare Fusion, why is that option seeming a 
bit frightening?

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

   50gigs or more depending on what you install into Windows.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/24/2019 8:24 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Jonathan,
Okay, you anticipated and answered my follow-on question about using the 
same files. With Boot Camp, they are separate and I suspect could only 
share using iCloud, or an external media to upload and download, and 
with VMWare Fusion I can read/write files using either OS as long as the 
files are specifically shared as you have done.


Unless VMWare Fusion uses a whole lot more disk space, it sounds like 
the right alternative for me.



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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Dave Carlson 
Jonathan,
Okay, you anticipated and answered my follow-on question about using the same 
files. With Boot Camp, they are separate and I suspect could only share using 
iCloud, or an external media to upload and download, and with VMWare Fusion I 
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Unless VMWare Fusion uses a whole lot more disk space, it sounds like the right 
alternative for me.


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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Dave,
NO, BootCamp is a separate boot for Windows. If you want to switch between 
Windows and Mac without shutting down you should use VMWare Fusion. With 
VMWare, you can even specify that a certain file type should be opened by a 
Windows application and if you open that file type on your Mac, Fusion will 
start Windows and then start the appropriate program. There are also lots of 
options to make parts of your Mac disk available to Windows. I personally have 
things set up so that my Documents and Downloads are shared between Windows and 
Mac so my Windows documents are in z:\Documents.
Jonathan C. Cohn


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Another Boot Camp question: To run Windows, do you need to shut down Mac OS 
> and then launch Windows from the log on greeting section? Or can you switch 
> back/forth between the two without rebooting?
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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread Dave Carlson 
Another Boot Camp question: To run Windows, do you need to shut down Mac OS and 
then launch Windows from the log on greeting section? Or can you switch 
back/forth between the two without rebooting?


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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
Thanks so much.

I’ll read what you sent and thanks again.

Kawal.

> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:35,   wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
> Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it 
> prompts you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine 
> boots into Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.
>  
> In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But 
> I will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
> device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device 
> around for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs 
> for Boot Camp.
>  
> That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
> use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
> fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
> their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a 
> different key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
> http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/
>  
> <http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/>.
>  
> I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
> some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
> ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.
>  
> I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
> under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
> responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.
>  
> Kelly
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp
>  
> Hi There.
>  
> Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I 
> am wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> 
>> mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
>> running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
>> missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the 
>> different screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such 
>> were released but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were 
>> updates from Apple.
>>  
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RE: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread kelly 
Hi,

 

You can definitely install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and then 
Windows also.  When you run the Boot Camp program from the Mac side, it prompts 
you for all the details so you can use VoiceOver.  When the machine boots into 
Windows, you can load Narrator to finish install.

 

In theory Narrator should start speaking with the default Mac speakers.  But I 
will say that on at least one computer I did have to plug in a USB  audio 
device to get speech during OS install.  I keep a basic USB audio device around 
for these kinds of situations.  I have configured three different Macs for Boot 
Camp.

 

That said, I would personally go with either VMWare or Virtual Box first.  I 
use both successfully on my Mac and am really coming to like using VMWare 
fusion.  I dealt with the caps lock keyboard issue in that program by using 
their keyboard assignment feature in preferences and just assigned a different 
key to be my caps lock key.  I wrote a bit more on that at 
http://theideaplace.net/a-short-update-on-virtual-machines-to-include-an-apple-mac/.

 

I have also had good success with Boot Camp to be clear.  I’m preparing for 
some extended travel and want to reduce the hardware I need so have been 
ensuring I can use both Boot Camp and virtual machines from within the Mac OS.

 

I have to say whatever Apple did in their latest audio driver for Boot Camp 
under Windows is working perfectly here.  Speech is back to being crisp, 
responsive and no dropping with several screen readers.

 

Kelly

 

 

 

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:19 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

 

Hi There.

 

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

 

Thank you.

 

Kawal.





On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15, mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > 
mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I am curious if anyone else has noticed an improvement with the audio when 
running Windows under Boot Camp.  With the most recent update, the issue of 
missing the first syllable of speech is so far gone for me with the different 
screen readers.  I’m not sure when the updated drivers and such were released 
but when I ran Windows on my Mac this morning there were updates from Apple.

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Audio Improvement With Boot Camp

2019-12-24 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
Hi There.

Can you install Boot Camp without sighted assistance and also Windows 10?  I am 
wondering what to install, VMWare or Bootcamp if it’s accessible to do.

Thank you.

Kawal.

> On 24 Dec 2019, at 15:15,   wrote:
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