subject:"RE\: AutoFill Update"

Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-27 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

It seems to work a little differently on iOS with a keyboard.  When you 
activate a editable field that could be auto-filled, press the down arrow once, 
then touch your finger down near the bottom centre of the iPad screen.  You 
should hear the best guess for that specific auto-fill site.  Either double-tap 
on it or VO-space and it will fill in both the username and password for the 
user that was suggested for that site.  I haven't figured out yet how to jump 
over to that area where the username is suggested, but if someone else knows, 
maybe they'll chime in, or I'll play some more and read a bit more to see if I 
can figure it out.

I'm fairly new at the iPad/external keyboard thing, but getting there.  I've 
been travelling some lately doing some presentations about VO on the iPad, so 
have been trying to become more versed with the keyboard functionality.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 15:45, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I'm not sure.  Haven't tried it on iOS yet.  I will try it later on my iPad Pro.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 15:41, Kliphton Miller > wrote:

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-27 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

I'm not sure.  Haven't tried it on iOS yet.  I will try it later on my iPad Pro.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2018, at 15:41, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-27 Thread Kliphton Miller

Is this just on the Mac, or can you do it with BT keyboards on iPad and phone?
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> On May 24, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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RE: AutoFill Update

2018-05-26 Thread Simon Fogarty

Tim in ET’s case,
It’s a long way between his mouth and his feet.

Lol.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 25 May 2018 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AutoFill Update

My grey matter is leaking through my skull and affecting the colour of my hair. 
 At least, that's what people tell me :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 12:20, E.T. 
<ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching the grey matter.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi ET,
Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to determine if 
the correct username was entered.  For the password though, once you press 
return, it starts the login process, so tab/shift-tab wouldn't be possible.  
Not that it matters that much since the password wouldn't be visible anyway.  I 
believe that for the sighted user, it just shows the login name within the 
pop-up, which they click on to proceed.  That is the part that's not being read 
by VO.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T. 
<ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Tim,
  Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read them so 
you can verify what is in them?
>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,
I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on High 
Sierra.
• If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
• the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
• tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
• Your login should proceed.
the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for both 
the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to make 
these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, Safari 
and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is associated with 
which site, so when you just choose the first item in each case, it usually 
works to log you in.
HTH.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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RE: AutoFill Update

2018-05-26 Thread Simon Fogarty

Thanks tim,
That’s a great feature to know about.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 25 May 2018 5:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: AutoFill Update

Hi,

I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on High 
Sierra.

• If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
• the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
• tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
• Your login should proceed.

the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for both 
the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to make 
these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, Safari 
and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is associated with 
which site, so when you just choose the first item in each case, it usually 
works to log you in.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
That’s why i cut my hair off today.
/A

> 24 maj 2018 kl. 20:47 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> My grey matter is leaking through my skull and affecting the colour of my 
> hair.  At least, that's what people tell me :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 24, 2018, at 12:20, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
>   Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching the grey matter.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi ET,
>> Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to determine if 
>> the correct username was entered.  For the password though, once you press 
>> return, it starts the login process, so tab/shift-tab wouldn't be possible.  
>> Not that it matters that much since the password wouldn't be visible anyway. 
>>  I believe that for the sighted user, it just shows the login name within 
>> the pop-up, which they click on to proceed.  That is the part that's not 
>> being read by VO.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T. >  > >> wrote:
>> Tim,
>>   Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read them 
>> so you can verify what is in them?
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>> >
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
>>> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
>>> High Sierra.
>>> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
>>> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
>>> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
>>> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
>>> • Your login should proceed.
>>> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
>>> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices 
>>> available.  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not 
>>> read out loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct 
>>> set of actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out 
>>> yet.  In either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out 
>>> which username is associated with which site, so when you just choose the 
>>> first item in each case, it usually works to log you in.
>>> HTH.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Yes its a very good feature but i was a bit unsure on how to use it.
BUt thanks as always for your great help.
By the way i also sometimes get a message that my passwords are locked when i 
do this action.
Don’t know why this happens but it happens sometimes.
/A

> 24 maj 2018 kl. 19:31 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread E.T.

   Forgot about that! Well I went there and promptly deleted the 
website I wanted to edit. Oh well, will fix that next time I log into 
the site.

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On 5/24/2018 2:19 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello,

In El Capitan VoiceOver kinda sees the menu of fill in results, but only 
by saying "menu closed". Also, it appears the first auto-fill response 
is the one most recently used and not the most frequently used.

Also remember that in Safari Preferences there is a password tab where 
you can examine the saved passwords, and delete incorrect ones.

Take care,

Jonathan

On 24 May 2018 at 14:59, E.T. > wrote:

    ROFL That explains why folks seem hesitant telling me that.

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Many believe that we have been visited
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On 5/24/2018 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

My grey matter is leaking through my skull and affecting the
colour of my hair.  At least, that's what people tell me :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 12:20, E.T. 
>> wrote:

    Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching
the grey matter.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi ET,
Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab
to determine if the correct username was entered.  For the
password though, once you press return, it starts the login
process, so tab/shift-tab wouldn't be possible.  Not that it
matters that much since the password wouldn't be visible
anyway.  I believe that for the sighted user, it just shows
the login name within the pop-up, which they click on to
proceed.  That is the part that's not being read by VO.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T. 
>>> wrote:
Tim,
   Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two
fields read them so you can verify what is in them?
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,
I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday
and determined the following with respect to AutoFilling
usernames and passwords in Safari on High Sierra.
• If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when
you get to the Username field, hit your down arrow once,
then press return.
• the most likely username for that site should be
entered for you.
• tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and
press return again.
• Your login should proceed.
the accessibility problem here is that when the down
arrow is pressed for both the username and password
fields, there is a menu of choices available.  VoiceOver
is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read
out loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing
the correct set of actions to make these choices heard,
but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case,
Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which
username is associated with which site, so when you just
choose the first item in each case, it usually works to
log you in.
HTH.
Later...

Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Hello,

In El Capitan VoiceOver kinda sees the menu of fill in results, but only by
saying "menu closed". Also, it appears the first auto-fill response is the
one most recently used and not the most frequently used.

Also remember that in Safari Preferences there is a password tab where you
can examine the saved passwords, and delete incorrect ones.

Take care,

Jonathan


On 24 May 2018 at 14:59, E.T.  wrote:

>ROFL That explains why folks seem hesitant telling me that.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 5/24/2018 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>
>> My grey matter is leaking through my skull and affecting the colour of my
>> hair.  At least, that's what people tell me :).
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On May 24, 2018, at 12:20, E.T.  ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>
>>Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching the grey
>> matter.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ET,
>>> Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to
>>> determine if the correct username was entered.  For the password though,
>>> once you press return, it starts the login process, so tab/shift-tab
>>> wouldn't be possible.  Not that it matters that much since the password
>>> wouldn't be visible anyway.  I believe that for the sighted user, it just
>>> shows the login name within the pop-up, which they click on to proceed.
>>> That is the part that's not being read by VO.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T. > ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> Tim,
>>>   Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read
>>> them so you can verify what is in them?
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined
 the following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari
 on High Sierra.
 • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the
 Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
 • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
 • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return
 again.
 • Your login should proceed.
 the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed
 for both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices
 available.  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not
 read out loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct
 set of actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out
 yet.  In either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out
 which username is associated with which site, so when you just choose the
 first item in each case, it usually works to log you in.
 HTH.
 Later...
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Raymond Foret Jr

How bout just press CMD+shift+a?  That’s how I solved it.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On May 24, 2018, at 12:38 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Just for your info, my wife is sighted and she says the latest safari
> is no longer putting passwords in automatically like it used to do.
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On 5/24/18, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the
>> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on
>> High Sierra.
>> 
>> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the
>> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
>> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
>> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return
>> again.
>> • Your login should proceed.
>> 
>> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for
>> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.
>> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out
>> loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of
>> actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In
>> either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which
>> username is associated with which site, so when you just choose the first
>> item in each case, it usually works to log you in.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread E.T.


   ROFL That explains why folks seem hesitant telling me that.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
My grey matter is leaking through my skull and affecting the colour of 
my hair.  At least, that's what people tell me :).


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 12:20, E.T. > wrote:


   Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching the grey 
matter.


 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi ET,
Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to 
determine if the correct username was entered.  For the password 
though, once you press return, it starts the login process, so 
tab/shift-tab wouldn't be possible.  Not that it matters that much 
since the password wouldn't be visible anyway.  I believe that for the 
sighted user, it just shows the login name within the pop-up, which 
they click on to proceed.  That is the part that's not being read by VO.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T. > 
wrote:

Tim,
  Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read 
them so you can verify what is in them?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 


Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,
I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined 
the following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in 
Safari on High Sierra.
• If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to 
the Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.

• the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
• tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return 
again.

• Your login should proceed.
the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed 
for both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices 
available.  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are 
not read out loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the 
correct set of actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't 
figured it out yet.  In either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty 
good at figuring out which username is associated with which site, so 
when you just choose the first item in each case, it usually works to 
log you in.

HTH.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Tim Kilburn

My grey matter is leaking through my skull and affecting the colour of my hair. 
 At least, that's what people tell me :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 12:20, E.T.  wrote:

  Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching the grey matter.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi ET,
> Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to determine if 
> the correct username was entered.  For the password though, once you press 
> return, it starts the login process, so tab/shift-tab wouldn't be possible.  
> Not that it matters that much since the password wouldn't be visible anyway.  
> I believe that for the sighted user, it just shows the login name within the 
> pop-up, which they click on to proceed.  That is the part that's not being 
> read by VO.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T.    >> wrote:
> Tim,
>   Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read them 
> so you can verify what is in them?
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
> >
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
>> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
>> High Sierra.
>> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
>> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
>> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
>> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
>> • Your login should proceed.
>> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
>> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available. 
>>  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out 
>> loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of 
>> actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In 
>> either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which 
>> username is associated with which site, so when you just choose the first 
>> item in each case, it usually works to log you in.
>> HTH.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread E.T.

   Makes sense. Just finished coffee which was slow reaching the grey 
matter.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 11:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi ET,

Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to 
determine if the correct username was entered.  For the password though, 
once you press return, it starts the login process, so tab/shift-tab 
wouldn't be possible.  Not that it matters that much since the password 
wouldn't be visible anyway.  I believe that for the sighted user, it 
just shows the login name within the pop-up, which they click on to 
proceed.  That is the part that's not being read by VO.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T. > wrote:


Tim,
   Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read 
them so you can verify what is in them?


 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,
I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined 
the following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in 
Safari on High Sierra.
• If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to 
the Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.

• the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
• tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return 
again.

• Your login should proceed.
the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed 
for both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices 
available.  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are 
not read out loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the 
correct set of actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't 
figured it out yet.  In either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty 
good at figuring out which username is associated with which site, so 
when you just choose the first item in each case, it usually works to 
log you in.

HTH.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi ET,

Sort of.  Yes, for the username, you could tab and shift-tab to determine if 
the correct username was entered.  For the password though, once you press 
return, it starts the login process, so tab/shift-tab wouldn't be possible.  
Not that it matters that much since the password wouldn't be visible anyway.  I 
believe that for the sighted user, it just shows the login name within the 
pop-up, which they click on to proceed.  That is the part that's not being read 
by VO.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 11:41, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read them so 
you can verify what is in them?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on 
> High Sierra.
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for 
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.  
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out loud.  
> It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of actions to 
> make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In either case, 
> Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which username is 
> associated with which site, so when you just choose the first item in each 
> case, it usually works to log you in.
> HTH.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi Jeff,

I believe that this is intentional.  I thought that I heard that there was a 
vulnerability exposed that allowed some sort of scripting to gain access to the 
entering of this information without user intervention.  I don't believe that 
they necessarily gained access to the Keychain contents, but could tell Safari 
to auto-login to some sites which would not be desirable from a security 
prospective.  There should be a little lock thingy that sighted people can use 
to have Safari enter the credentials from your keychains.  It's an extra step 
for the sighted user, but is more secure and addressed that vulnerability.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 24, 2018, at 11:38, jeff `greene  wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just for your info, my wife is sighted and she says the latest safari
is no longer putting passwords in automatically like it used to do.
Jeff

On 5/24/18, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on
> High Sierra.
> 
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return
> again.
> • Your login should proceed.
> 
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.
> VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out
> loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of
> actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In
> either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which
> username is associated with which site, so when you just choose the first
> item in each case, it usually works to log you in.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread E.T.


Tim,
   Good to know. Would tabbing back then forward to the two fields read 
them so you can verify what is in them?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/24/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the 
following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari 
on High Sierra.


• If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the 
Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.

• the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
• tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return again.
• Your login should proceed.

the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed 
for both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices 
available.  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are 
not read out loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the 
correct set of actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't 
figured it out yet.  In either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good 
at figuring out which username is associated with which site, so when 
you just choose the first item in each case, it usually works to log you in.


HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: AutoFill Update

2018-05-24 Thread jeff `greene

Hi Tim,
Just for your info, my wife is sighted and she says the latest safari
is no longer putting passwords in automatically like it used to do.
Jeff


On 5/24/18, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was working with an Apple System Engineer yesterday and determined the
> following with respect to AutoFilling usernames and passwords in Safari on
> High Sierra.
>
> • If you have credentials saved in iCloud Keychain, when you get to the
> Username field, hit your down arrow once, then press return.
> • the most likely username for that site should be entered for you.
> • tab to the Password field, hit the down arrow once and press return
> again.
> • Your login should proceed.
>
> the accessibility problem here is that when the down arrow is pressed for
> both the username and password fields, there is a menu of choices available.
>  VoiceOver is not privy to these at the moment so they are not read out
> loud.  It's entirely possible that I'm just missing the correct set of
> actions to make these choices heard, but I haven't figured it out yet.  In
> either case, Safari and the Mac are pretty good at figuring out which
> username is associated with which site, so when you just choose the first
> item in each case, it usually works to log you in.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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