Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Kevin Chao]

Tank is a good analogy for OR20



On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados 
wrote:

+1, from what I under stand it’s built like a tank in comparison to most
braille displays.  Especially for the low cost.

On Dec 18, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:

The Orbit Reader 20 is durable, ruggid, and a fraction the cost of other
20cell Braille displays. Hope others will follow in APH's lead. I'd argue
this is the only Braille display that will be able to survive third-world
developing nations.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:33 AM Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Regarding the Orbit Braille display, what happens if it needs cleaning?
You all know that those who use these displays, if a cell goes bad it will
cost £100 to replace a cell.  I don't know what that is in dollars.  Will
the display cost a lot more to fix if so, then it's not worth getting a
braille displayif it will cost just as much to maintain.

Kawal.
> On 17 Dec 2016, at 03:05, David Chittenden  wrote:
>
> Yes, the Orbit Braille Display. It uses mechanical actuaters which are
moved into place with a spinning wheel that moves across the line. APH is
one of the organisations involved with the project.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 17/12/2016, at 13:51, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.
There’s a sub $500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.
>>
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying
around or a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an
option to have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and
I've seen braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at
least it's another option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden 
wrote:

 A few thoughts:
 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the
braille was not as normally perceived.
 It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it
includes a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all
directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like
half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center
of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the
application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d
printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical
surfaces did not work very well because of the slight spillage.
 I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people
are used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will
work better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.

 Kind regards,

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it
sure beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury,
they already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no
reason why this would impact them much.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is
aware of this.
>>
>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not
OT.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
>>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>>
>>>
http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Jessica Moss]

Sounds interesting, will have to look into it more, sense we’re looking into 
getting me a Braille embosser at work, but would prefer this if it could be 
workable sense my desk is somewhat cluttered with the printer we already use, 
the phone, the computer, and both headsets I need to work with the computer and 
the phone, so good luck finding a place to put an embosser after that.  I think 
the printer we have is a lazer printer, so will e-mail this to the staff.
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
> this.
> 
>   Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>> 
>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Scott Granados]

+1, from what I under stand it’s built like a tank in comparison to most 
braille displays.  Especially for the low cost.

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> The Orbit Reader 20 is durable, ruggid, and a fraction the cost of other 
> 20cell Braille displays. Hope others will follow in APH's lead. I'd argue 
> this is the only Braille display that will be able to survive third-world 
> developing nations.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:33 AM Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> Regarding the Orbit Braille display, what happens if it needs cleaning?  You 
> all know that those who use these displays, if a cell goes bad it will cost 
> £100 to replace a cell.  I don't know what that is in dollars.  Will the 
> display cost a lot more to fix if so, then it's not worth getting a braille 
> displayif it will cost just as much to maintain.
> 
> Kawal.
> > On 17 Dec 2016, at 03:05, David Chittenden  > > wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the Orbit Braille Display. It uses mechanical actuaters which are 
> > moved into place with a spinning wheel that moves across the line. APH is 
> > one of the organisations involved with the project.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 17/12/2016, at 13:51, Scott Granados  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.  There’s 
> >> a sub $500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.
> >>
> >>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying 
> >>> around or a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide 
> >>> an option to have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying 
> >>> and I've seen braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But 
> >>> at least it's another option.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Donna
>  On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden   > wrote:
> 
>  A few thoughts:
>  90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the 
>  braille was not as normally perceived.
>  It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it 
>  includes a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in 
>  all directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel 
>  like half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the 
>  center of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries 
>  from the application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I 
>  evaluated some 3d printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which 
>  was on the vertical surfaces did not work very well because of the 
>  slight spillage.
>  I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are 
>  used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will 
>  work better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille 
>  printer.
> 
>  Kind regards,
> 
>  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  > > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it 
> > sure beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for 
> > Duxbury, they already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so 
> > I see no reason why this would impact them much.
> > Cheers,
> > Donna
> >> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware 
> >> of this.
> >>
> >> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
> >>
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "Lord, Help me become the person
> >> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> >>
> >>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
> >>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Donna
> >>>
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Kevin Chao]

The Orbit Reader 20 is durable, ruggid, and a fraction the cost of other
20cell Braille displays. Hope others will follow in APH's lead. I'd argue
this is the only Braille display that will be able to survive third-world
developing nations.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:33 AM Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Regarding the Orbit Braille display, what happens if it needs cleaning?
> You all know that those who use these displays, if a cell goes bad it will
> cost £100 to replace a cell.  I don't know what that is in dollars.  Will
> the display cost a lot more to fix if so, then it's not worth getting a
> braille displayif it will cost just as much to maintain.
>
> Kawal.
> > On 17 Dec 2016, at 03:05, David Chittenden 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the Orbit Braille Display. It uses mechanical actuaters which are
> moved into place with a spinning wheel that moves across the line. APH is
> one of the organisations involved with the project.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 17/12/2016, at 13:51, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.
> There’s a sub $500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.
> >>
> >>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying
> around or a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an
> option to have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and
> I've seen braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at
> least it's another option.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Donna
>  On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:
> 
>  A few thoughts:
>  90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the
> braille was not as normally perceived.
>  It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it
> includes a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all
> directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like
> half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center
> of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the
> application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d
> printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical
> surfaces did not work very well because of the slight spillage.
>  I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people
> are used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will
> work better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
> 
>  Kind regards,
> 
>  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it
> sure beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury,
> they already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no
> reason why this would impact them much.
> > Cheers,
> > Donna
> >> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T. 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is
> aware of this.
> >>
> >> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not
> OT.
> >>
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "Lord, Help me become the person
> >> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>
> >>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related,
> I
> >>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Donna
> >>>
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Regarding the Orbit Braille display, what happens if it needs cleaning?  You 
all know that those who use these displays, if a cell goes bad it will cost 
£100 to replace a cell.  I don't know what that is in dollars.  Will the 
display cost a lot more to fix if so, then it's not worth getting a braille 
displayif it will cost just as much to maintain.

Kawal.
> On 17 Dec 2016, at 03:05, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the Orbit Braille Display. It uses mechanical actuaters which are moved 
> into place with a spinning wheel that moves across the line. APH is one of 
> the organisations involved with the project.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17/12/2016, at 13:51, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.  There’s a 
>> sub $500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying around 
>>> or a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an option 
>>> to have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and I've 
>>> seen braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at least 
>>> it's another option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 A few thoughts:
 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the 
 braille was not as normally perceived.
 It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it 
 includes a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in 
 all directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel 
 like half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the 
 center of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries 
 from the application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I 
 evaluated some 3d printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which 
 was on the vertical surfaces did not work very well because of the slight 
 spillage.
 I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are 
 used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will 
 work better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
> beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, 
> they already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no 
> reason why this would impact them much.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>> this.
>> 
>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
>>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>> 
>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

Medical departments here are using 3d printing to create prostetics for 
amputies 

 Because it's a truckload cheaper.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.  There’s a sub 
$500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying around or 
> a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an option to 
> have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and I've seen 
> braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at least it's 
> another option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> A few thoughts:
>> 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the 
>> braille was not as normally perceived.
>> It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it includes 
>> a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all 
>> directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like 
>> half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center 
>> of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the 
>> application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d 
>> printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical 
>> surfaces did not work very well because of the slight spillage.
>> I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are 
>> used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will work 
>> better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
>>> beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, they 
>>> already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no reason 
>>> why this would impact them much.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>>> this.
>>>> 
>>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, 
>>>>> I thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-usi
>>>>> ng-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

 Wasn't that kind of girl!

 

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 1:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

They tend not to slap if you use large bills.:)

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I got slapped last time I looked at tactile porn, Mind you she was 
> still waring cloths!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 5:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular 
> laser printers to generate braille
> 
> You would go there, Scott! lol
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
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>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, 
>>>> I thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-usin
>>>> g
>>>> -any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the Orbit Braille Display. It uses mechanical actuaters which are moved 
into place with a spinning wheel that moves across the line. APH is one of the 
organisations involved with the project.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 17/12/2016, at 13:51, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.  There’s a 
> sub $500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying around 
>> or a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an option 
>> to have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and I've 
>> seen braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at least 
>> it's another option.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few thoughts:
>>> 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the 
>>> braille was not as normally perceived.
>>> It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it includes 
>>> a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all 
>>> directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like 
>>> half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center 
>>> of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the 
>>> application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d 
>>> printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical 
>>> surfaces did not work very well because of the slight spillage.
>>> I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are 
>>> used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will 
>>> work better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
 beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, 
 they already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no 
 reason why this would impact them much.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
> this.
> 
> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "Lord, Help me become the person
> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>> 
>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Scott Granados]

There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.  There’s a sub 
$500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying around or 
> a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an option to 
> have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and I've seen 
> braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at least it's 
> another option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> A few thoughts:
>> 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the 
>> braille was not as normally perceived.
>> It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it includes 
>> a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all 
>> directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like 
>> half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center 
>> of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the 
>> application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d 
>> printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical 
>> surfaces did not work very well because of the slight spillage.
>> I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are 
>> used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will work 
>> better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
>>> beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, they 
>>> already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no reason 
>>> why this would impact them much.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
 this.
 
 Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "Lord, Help me become the person
 my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
> 
> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Scott Granados]

They tend not to slap if you use large bills.:)

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I got slapped last time I looked at tactile porn,
> Mind you she was still waring cloths!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 5:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
> printers to generate braille
> 
> You would go there, Scott! lol
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I 
>>>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using
>>>> -any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Scott Granados]

I’ve seen a 3D printer recently that prints with sugar and frosting believe it 
or not.  It’s supposedly going to revolutionize the cake business.

Will I. Am as in the guy from the Black Eyed Peas you may or may not know is a 
pretty serious technologist.  On top of creating a new square function for 
Intel he’s working on printing food with 3D printers where you would basically 
input a molecular design with all the various proteins and such and out will 
pop a steak.  The whole thing sounds so very Star Trek replicator like to me.
I’ve also seen a model that prints in metal.  You can load a pattern 
for a sub machine gun and boom, automatic weapon appears.  These in combination 
with the new complex milling machines I find amazing.

The systems you have sound so cool.  I’d love to generate something that rises 
up directed by lasers.  That’s just futuristic to no end.
 
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> We have a couple of 3D printers around and they work on a different model, 
> although the thinking may have been based on similar premises.  This 3D 
> printing stuff moves too fast for us to keep up.  Our first machine used 
> spools of ABS plastic and constructed the object in layers.  The newer one 
> uses different frequencies of lasers to, essentially, raise the object out of 
> a pool of resin.  There's even more efficient and less expensive models out 
> there now, we just can't keep spending money.  Our students love creating 
> things using these tools.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 09:56, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hahah you know it.
> 
> Honestly though, it sounds like a very cool technology.
> 
> I still want to get a 3D printer in house to see what that’s all about.  This 
> seems like a variation on that theme.
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> You would go there, Scott! lol
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
 this.
 
 Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "Lord, Help me become the person
 my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
> 
> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Donna Goodin]

Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying around or a 
rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an option to have 
access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and I've seen braille 
produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at least it's another 
option.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> A few thoughts:
> 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the braille 
> was not as normally perceived.
> It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it includes a 
> heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all directions, 
> not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like half-dome 
> rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center of each dot 
> to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the application of 
> the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d printed tactile 
> maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical surfaces did not 
> work very well because of the slight spillage.
> I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are used 
> to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will work 
> better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
>> beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, they 
>> already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no reason why 
>> this would impact them much.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
 thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
 
 http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[David Chittenden]

A few thoughts:
90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the braille 
was not as normally perceived.
It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it includes a 
heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all directions, 
not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like half-dome rounded 
dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center of each dot to get 
increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the application of the lazer, 
there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d printed tactile maps, and the 
3d printed braille which was on the vertical surfaces did not work very well 
because of the slight spillage.
I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are used 
to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will work better 
as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
> beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, they 
> already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no reason why 
> this would impact them much.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>> this.
>> 
>>  Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
>>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>> 
>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>> Cheers,
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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

Tim 

We've just recently started producing things from 3d printing, 
I'm not sure what it's using but we charge for the printing so the products are 
paying themselves off, 
 I'm actually trying to get a printer config for creating a long caine using 
the 3d printer but we're having a few issues withit currently.

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Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 6:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

Scott,

We have a couple of 3D printers around and they work on a different model, 
although the thinking may have been based on similar premises.  This 3D 
printing stuff moves too fast for us to keep up.  Our first machine used spools 
of ABS plastic and constructed the object in layers.  The newer one uses 
different frequencies of lasers to, essentially, raise the object out of a pool 
of resin.  There's even more efficient and less expensive models out there now, 
we just can't keep spending money.  Our students love creating things using 
these tools.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 16, 2016, at 09:56, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hahah you know it.

Honestly though, it sounds like a very cool technology.

I still want to get a 3D printer in house to see what that’s all about.  This 
seems like a variation on that theme.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You would go there, Scott! lol
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
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>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, 
>>>> I thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-usin
>>>> g-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

I got slapped last time I looked at tactile porn,
 Mind you she was still waring cloths!

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Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 5:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

You would go there, Scott! lol
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>> this.
>> 
>>  Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I 
>>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>>> 
>>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using
>>> -any-laser-printer-1673209/
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok!

 

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Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 5:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
> this.
> 
>   Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I 
>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>> 
>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-
>> any-laser-printer-1673209/
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Tim Kilburn]

Scott,

We have a couple of 3D printers around and they work on a different model, 
although the thinking may have been based on similar premises.  This 3D 
printing stuff moves too fast for us to keep up.  Our first machine used spools 
of ABS plastic and constructed the object in layers.  The newer one uses 
different frequencies of lasers to, essentially, raise the object out of a pool 
of resin.  There's even more efficient and less expensive models out there now, 
we just can't keep spending money.  Our students love creating things using 
these tools.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 16, 2016, at 09:56, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hahah you know it.

Honestly though, it sounds like a very cool technology.

I still want to get a 3D printer in house to see what that’s all about.  This 
seems like a variation on that theme.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You would go there, Scott! lol
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
 thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
 
 http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure beats 
spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, they already 
have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no reason why this would 
impact them much.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
> this.
> 
>   Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
>> thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
>> 
>> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Scott Granados]

Hahah you know it.

Honestly though, it sounds like a very cool technology.

I still want to get a 3D printer in house to see what that’s all about.  This 
seems like a variation on that theme.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> You would go there, Scott! lol
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
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>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>> 
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

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You would go there, Scott! lol
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
> 
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[E.T.]

Scott,
   Now really, you need to stop running all those marathons. (smiles)

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On 12/16/2016 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)


On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of this.

  Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.

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On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi all,

A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
thought it would be of interest to many on the list.

http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
Cheers,
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Scott Granados]

Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[E.T.]

   Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is 
aware of this.


   Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.

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A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I
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http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
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Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not OT at all, if you consider that Mac users can use laser printers just the 
same as any other user.  We'd also have more need for this application of the 
product.  Even though I don't use Braille myself, this is a very innovative 
idea.

Thanks for sharing.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 16, 2016, at 06:55, Donna Goodin  wrote:

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A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, I thought it 
would be of interest to many on the list.  

http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-using-any-laser-printer-1673209/
 

 
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