Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Couldn't agree more. I came back on here to be able to keep up with people's experiences of Lion and nothing more, and that has been useful, but every new OS brings changes, fact. My way of dealing with mail was to try the new layout and wait to see what tips I found, and in the main I really like it, but if I want to do certain things I know I can switch back and forth between the two views. Isn't that extra flexibility? I have one issue with Lion about which I've contacted a developer, and they already knew about the issue and will have an update soon that will fix it. People on here are so negative that I will not name them! I know others who have left this list due to the sheer moaning that some people do. They need to realise that change is inevitable and find out how to deal with new ways of doing things before mouthing off! That doesn't mean I don't think genuine bugs and inconveniences shouldn't be reported though. Cheers Dave On 27 Jul 2011, at 03:26, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Here's my take on this. Yall quit your complaining and learn to deal with the changes. No, nothin's perfect but geez! Let's just go on and complain just because something has to be accessed differently than before. Yeah that's the way to solve problems except not. So, while yall are at it, just go report everything that's just not the same as it was before to Apple except that won't solve nothin. Yes, like everything Lion has it's bugs and such but just because acts or looks or does anything differently don't mean it's broken. For example I did get confused by the new layout in Apple Mail at first so switched to classic view for a bit. Then what did I do, did I write here and complain about it like a little kid? Nope, I read help and read other documentation to help to better get used to everything; and now, I'm using Mail in the new layout which I don't have a problem with. Sorry but I get tired sometimes going through my E-Mail and seeing complaints that this is broken or doesn't work the same way as it did in SL. Everything's gottta change at some peoint whether we like it or not. I'm sorry if I get kicked off the list for this, but I for one get tired of seeing complaints and such in my Inbox every day since Lion cae out. Yeah I could just go on and dellete which I usually do, but at some point it just gets annoying. If it looks like I'm trying to start something, i'm not, just stating my opinion. Now I don't have a problem woth reporting bugs and such because if they were't what out wouldn't get fixed but complaining has its limits. Thanks, Jeffrey On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:02 PM, David Tanner wrote: Then go back to the classic view and VO-j will work perfectly for you. I sat my email to sort by date of receipt and VO-j works wonderfully. - Original Message - From: carlene knight carlenefor...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: [Bulk] Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Can you ever say that again Jeffry. Could not agree with you more. After all, look at me. I was of the irronious opinion that Mail would take me forever to get used to because of all the complaints; and, what happened, within the same night I installed Lion, I'd pretty much worked it out. I'm talking about the new layout not the classic one. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Here's my take on this. Yall quit your complaining and learn to deal with the changes. No, nothin's perfect but geez! Let's just go on and complain just because something has to be accessed differently than before. Yeah that's the way to solve problems except not. So, while yall are at it, just go report everything that's just not the same as it was before to Apple except that won't solve nothin. Yes, like everything Lion has it's bugs and such but just because acts or looks or does anything differently don't mean it's broken. For example I did get confused by the new layout in Apple Mail at first so switched to classic view for a bit. Then what did I do, did I write here and complain about it like a little kid? Nope, I read help and read other documentation to help to better get used to everything; and now, I'm using Mail in the new layout which I don't have a problem with. Sorry but I get tired sometimes going through my E-Mail and seeing complaints that this is broken or doesn't work the same way as it did in SL. Everything's gottta change at some peoint whether we like it or not. I'm sorry if I get kicked off the list for this, but I for one get tired of seeing complaints and such in my Inbox every day since Lion cae out. Yeah I could just go on and dellete which I usually do, but at some point it just gets annoying. If it looks like I'm trying to start something, i'm not, just stating my opinion. Now I don't have a problem woth reporting bugs and such because if they were't what out wouldn't get fixed but complaining has its limits. Thanks, Jeffrey On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:02 PM, David Tanner wrote: Then go back to the classic view and VO-j will work perfectly for you. I sat my email to sort by date of receipt and VO-j works wonderfully. - Original Message - From: carlene knight carlenefor...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi. Very odd. I have been doing just this all morning as I go through a bunch of mac visionaries messages. Could it be your quick nab keys are turned on or something like that? On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Donna, I think this works for me in classic view so , perhaps you are using the new lay-out? best regards, William Op 22-jul.-2011, om 22:06 heeft Donna Goodin het volgende geschreven: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi All, I'm puzzled. vo-j is working just fine for me with both classic and new layout. I wonder if you might have disabled the preview pane? Best, Zack. On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: yet another VO feature broken?
That's exactly why I chose to go back to Snow Leopard for the time being. I found that I was avoiding the mac because the lion issues I was experiencing were just bugging me, probably more than they should. Although I think the battery drain and running significantly warmer stuff was a fairly legitimate concern. Anyway, for now, I feel much happier using snow leopard, and I'll give lion another chance once some of the bugs have been ironed out. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
I don't blame you. I thought about it, too. But I do think that others are probably right, that there will be an update released soon. so for now, I'm sitting tight, and I'll try the update when it's released. If that doesn't help, I'll probably go back to SL too. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: That's exactly why I chose to go back to Snow Leopard for the time being. I found that I was avoiding the mac because the lion issues I was experiencing were just bugging me, probably more than they should. Although I think the battery drain and running significantly warmer stuff was a fairly legitimate concern. Anyway, for now, I feel much happier using snow leopard, and I'll give lion another chance once some of the bugs have been ironed out. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Yes, VO definitely says how many mail messages there are in a conversation under the new layout, but it never said that for me in snow leopard. Also, about ending up in hte message content window, I usually arrow up and down a conversation, then read all the messages, and then shift tab back to the message list and delete the conversation. I haven't found my mac less pleasant to use at all. The new activities are making my life easier, and I like the improved Alex. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Oh no wonder it said six or something when I went back and forth. Just need to get of the Message content as I keep doing command W. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:49 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Then go back to the classic view and VO-j will work perfectly for you. I sat my email to sort by date of receipt and VO-j works wonderfully. - Original Message - From: carlene knight carlenefor...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Here's my take on this. Yall quit your complaining and learn to deal with the changes. No, nothin's perfect but geez! Let's just go on and complain just because something has to be accessed differently than before. Yeah that's the way to solve problems except not. So, while yall are at it, just go report everything that's just not the same as it was before to Apple except that won't solve nothin. Yes, like everything Lion has it's bugs and such but just because acts or looks or does anything differently don't mean it's broken. For example I did get confused by the new layout in Apple Mail at first so switched to classic view for a bit. Then what did I do, did I write here and complain about it like a little kid? Nope, I read help and read other documentation to help to better get used to everything; and now, I'm using Mail in the new layout which I don't have a problem with. Sorry but I get tired sometimes going through my E-Mail and seeing complaints that this is broken or doesn't work the same way as it did in SL. Everything's gottta change at some peoint whether we like it or not. I'm sorry if I get kicked off the list for this, but I for one get tired of seeing complaints and such in my Inbox every day since Lion cae out. Yeah I could just go on and dellete which I usually do, but at some point it just gets annoying. If it looks like I'm trying to start something, i'm not, just stating my opinion. Now I don't have a problem woth reporting bugs and such because if they were't what out wouldn't get fixed but complaining has its limits. Thanks, Jeffrey On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:02 PM, David Tanner wrote: Then go back to the classic view and VO-j will work perfectly for you. I sat my email to sort by date of receipt and VO-j works wonderfully. - Original Message - From: carlene knight carlenefor...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
So why haven't you gone back to the classic view of mail? In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Just did. Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: So why haven't you gone back to the classic view of mail? In the Journey, Ron On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
