Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Mike Arrigo]

Absolutely, here is the article, I think it's really exciting.

https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/



> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the original 
> article on Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I have been messing with 
> FF on the Mac for a long time and accessibility is finally improving again 
> with VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point of being quite usable.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:56 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. moderator, their contact information is 
>> in the footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Freedom of Speech Carries With
>> It Implicit Responsibility.
>> 
>> On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:
>>> "Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
>>> &
>>> Wonder if "They" support The Views  of TheMembers/Subscribers, which would 
>>> be The Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue
>>> EvenThough
>>> it's OFF Topic/Subject
>>> I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail
>>> At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>>>> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>>>> 
>>>> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
>>>> I believe it is time
>>>>  To block the sender and trash their emails,
>>>> 
>>>> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
>>>> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, 
>>>> must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>>>> 
>>>> Simon F
>>>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>>> *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
>>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>>>> 
>>>> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
>>>> stopping this I think that is the issue
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty >>>   <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>>>> 
>>>>   That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
>>>>   Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   Simon F
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>   >>>   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>>>>   Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
>>>>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>   Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on
>>>>   the mac
>>>> 
>>>>   I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been
>>>>   silent and allowed this crap to go on.
>>>>   Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware
>>>>   of a way to mute a topic.
>>>>   It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe
>>>>   from the list.
>>>> 
>>>>   - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>>   On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson >>>   <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as
>>>>   opposed to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and
>>>>   staying. I too am gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am
>>>>   ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who were supportive
>>>>   you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of
>>>>   a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them
>>>

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Thank  you I know this but the trying to stop the thread and it not stopping 
has lost us some really great people.

 And that F's me off to the max.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 6:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Simon,
You are not  the reason Tim and others chose to depart.
Kare



On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>
>
> Simon F
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io<http://Groups.io> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
> mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
>
> - Brad -
>
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson 
> mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone.
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

That's my concern is if I delete / block the thread I'll miss good information 
but will still get rid of the crap.



-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 2:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Blocking addresses is one way but does not solve it completely. 
Perhaps deleting a thread without reading it.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Freedom of Speech Carries With
It Implicit Responsibility.

On 7/1/2020 11:08 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io <http://Groups.io> email list, I am not aware of a 
> way to mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from 
> the list.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as 
> opposed to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. 
> I too am gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what 
> I’ve seen here, and to those who were supportive you rock. to people 
> like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of a future world where 
> these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone.
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive 
> bigotry.  I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would 
> prefer to surround myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I 
> am unsubscribing from this list.
> 
> Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Phil Halton]

Dear Petrus, I didn’t chase anybody off the list or make them change their 
signature. I simply said that it was driving me crazy that I was hearing his 
name repeated twice and I couldn’t figure out how to make it stop. It was 
nothing racist about it. it had nothing to do with Remi’s ethnicity. That is in 
your mind, not in mine. if you’re looking for a racist to hate then you’re 
going to have to look elsewhere because it ain’t me. maybe I am a hypocrite. 
that wouldn’t exactly be a rare sight in this world now would it. I think we 
should do what  The moderatorsuggested and just drop it. if you are willing 
then so am I.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry Phill,
> But your Argument would hold more value if you weren’t guilty of the same 
> thing. You have the nerve to talk about freedom of speech and the right to 
> have what ever signature you want. But you were quite happy to make a 
> perfectly decent gentlemen delete his actual name that was spelt out in the  
> arabic alphabet and it offended your sensitive little ears. I know you 
> blocked him but you still had to speak your disapproval of someone using 
> their own name publicly. And it is his identity  and I know whoo I’d rather 
> be friends with if I ever got to meet any one of you. . 
> 
>> On 2/07/2020, at 13:01, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
>> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and 
>> he’s from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three 
>> things are terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature 
>> when we are exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I 
>> don’t like hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he 
>> believes, but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to 
>> shut up or wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One 
>> of the main reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so 
>> we could speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you 
>> love conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
 &
 I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
 
 All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
 
 MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
 ThisThread
 
 
 At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
 other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, 
 no there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
 
 On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 Don'tThink:
 There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
 Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’m sorry Phill,
But your Argument would hold more value if you weren’t guilty of the same 
thing. You have the nerve to talk about freedom of speech and the right to have 
what ever signature you want. But you were quite happy to make a perfectly 
decent gentlemen delete his actual name that was spelt out in the  arabic 
alphabet and it offended your sensitive little ears. I know you blocked him but 
you still had to speak your disapproval of someone using their own name 
publicly. And it is his identity  and I know whoo I’d rather be friends with if 
I ever got to meet any one of you. . 

> On 2/07/2020, at 13:01, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Brandon Olivares]

Hey Ray,

Just want to at least say from one person that I think you should be able to 
put anything you want in your signature. It was others making an issue of your 
signature, not you. If someone put something “politically correct” in their 
signature, no one would care. I commend you for standing up for what you 
believe.

Brandon

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
> easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think 
> support given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
>> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and 
>> he’s from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three 
>> things are terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature 
>> when we are exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I 
>> don’t like hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he 
>> believes, but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to 
>> shut up or wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One 
>> of the main reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so 
>> we could speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you 
>> love conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>>> &
>>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>>> 
>>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>>> 
>>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>>> ThisThread
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
 other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, 
 no there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
 
 On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin >>> > wrote:
 
 Don'tThink:
 There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
 Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Dave Carlson]

Robin,

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On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Robin  wrote:

"Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
&
Wonder if "They" support The Views  of TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be 
The Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue
EvenThough 
it's OFF Topic/Subject

I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail
 
At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>  
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time 
>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>  
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, 
> must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>  
> Simon F
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
> stopping this I think that is the issue 
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io email list, I am not aware of a way to mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
> 
> - Brad -
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  wrote:
>  
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
>  
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries < 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
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> Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.
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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Simon,
You are not  the reason Tim and others chose to depart.
Kare



On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn???t my intention to make it happen.
Regards,


Simon F


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

I completely agree.  I can???t believe the moderator has been silent and 
allowed this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io<http://Groups.io> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list.

- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I???ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I???ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later???



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Further,
This is not the general public.
At no time has there been a thread focused on ray's personal definitions, 
because there is nothing about the focus of this list  that translates 
into anyone  doing what Ray claims in his signature.  No one has 
heretofore required  him to apologize for his misguided dictionary.

Making his signature wrong for this list.
To be sure, choosing offense is just that a choice, much like making up a 
sense of feeling threatened by nonexistent  list members asking you to 
apologize for  terms you are not defining correctly in the first place.




On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, alia robinson wrote:


religious and political sigs have no place on a mac list. the only thing we 
should be speaking about are our macs. if white racists   want to start their 
own group go ahead. funny how you bigots tout free speech until someone calls 
you out on your hate, and then we need to shut up! free speech goes both ways, 
and when hate is spoken people who care call it out. at least I do. I am a 
bisexual liberal witch, but you don’t see me coming on here with signatures 
about it b/c it’s not the appropriate place. take it off list.
On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or insensitive 
about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s from the 
south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are terrible. 
And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are exposed to 
the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like hearing about 
aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, but I don’t get my 
nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or wipe their signatures. 
That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main reasons  why we threw the 
British crown out of the colonies, so we could speak our damn minds. apparently 
 You all hate free-speech and you love conformity and that’s really too damn 
bad.

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[John Panarese]

  Roger that.


Take Care

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> On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> MayBe that Person should Create a   NEW Thread, as This1 is Serverely 
> Derailed?
> Just Sayin
> 
> I  tried  & attempted to get This Thread Back On Track  to No Avail
> 
> At 10:00 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>>Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the original 
>> article on Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I have been messing 
>> with FF on the Mac for a long time and accessibility is finally improving 
>> again with VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point of being quite usable.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:56 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >   Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. moderator, their contact information 
>> > is in the footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred.
>> >
>> > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> >   ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> > Freedom of Speech Carries With
>> > It Implicit Responsibility.
>> >
>> > On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:
>> >> "Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
>> >> &
>> >> Wonder if "They" support The Views  of TheMembers/Subscribers, which 
>> >> would be The Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue
>> >> EvenThough
>> >> it's OFF Topic/Subject
>> >> I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail
>> >> At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>> >>> No that̢۪s why I̢۪m sorry Jsorry Julie,
>> >>>
>> >>> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
>> >>> I believe it is time
>> >>>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>> >>>
>> >>> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
>> >>> members.it̢۪s just so interesting to hear how theseese perfect people 
>> >>> react, must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>> >>>
>> >>> Simon F
>> >>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> >>> > >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray
>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
>> >>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the 
>> >>> mac
>> >>>
>> >>> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a 
>> >>> moderator stopping this I think that is the issue
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty > >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
>> >>><mailto:si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>> >>>
>> >>>That wasn̢۪t my intention to make it happen.
>> .
>> >>>Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Simon F
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> >>>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> >&g

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

MayBe that Person should Create a   NEW Thread, as This1 is Serverely Derailed?
Just Sayin

I  tried  & attempted to get This Thread Back On Track  to No Avail

At 10:00 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
Ok. To get this back on track, could 
someone please repost the original article on 
Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I 
have been messing with FF on the Mac for a long 
time and accessibility is finally improving 
again with VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point of being quite usable.



Take Care

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Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:56 PM, 'E.T.' via 
MacVisionaries  wrote:

>
>   Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. 
moderator, their contact information is in the 
footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred.

>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Freedom of Speech Carries With
> It Implicit Responsibility.
>
> On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:
>> "Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
>> &
>> Wonder if "They" support The Views  of 
TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be The 
Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue

>> EvenThough
>> it's OFF Topic/Subject
>> I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail
>> At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>>> No that̢۪s why I̢۪m sorry Jsorry Julie,
>>>
>>> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
>>> I believe it is time
>>>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>>>
>>> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss 
emails of interest from other members.it̢۪s 
just so interesting to hear how theseese 
perfect people react, must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.

>>>
>>> Simon F
>>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray

>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on 
Firefox accessibility on the mac

>>>
>>> It was not you that made people leave it is 
rather the lack of a moderator stopping this I think that is the issue

>>>
>>>
>>>On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty >><mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>>>
>>>That wasn̢۪t my intention to make it happen.
.
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>    Simon F
>>>
>>>
>>>    From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>>>Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
>>>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on
>>>the mac
>>>
>>>I completely agree.  I can̢۪t believe the modeoderator has been
>>>silent and allowed this crap to go on.
>>>Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware
>>>of a way to mute a topic.
>>>It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe
>>>from the list.
>>>
>>>- Brad -
>>>
>>>On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson >><mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as
>>>opposed to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and
>>>staying. I too am gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am
>>>ashamed of what I̢۪ve seen here, and to those se who were supportive
>>>you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of
>>>a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them
>>>are gone.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive
>>>bigotry.  I̢۪ve got much better things to do wo with my time and
>>>would prefer to surround myself with 
tolerant, 

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

it's Certainly " Distrubin' " that Neither of 
Them have Chimed IN on this Thread, as Others 
have   indicated that They have ReachedOut to Them concerning  it


Makes Me Wonder

Thanks 4 Responding!
At 09:56 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
   Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. 
moderator, their contact information is in the 
footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Freedom of Speech Carries With
It Implicit Responsibility.

On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:

"Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
&
Wonder if "They" support The Views  of 
TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be The 
Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue

EvenThough
it's OFF Topic/Subject
I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail
At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:

No that̢۪s why I̢۪m sorry Juorry Julie,

I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
I believe it is time
  To block the sender and trash their emails,

Which I hate to say could cause me to miss 
emails of interest from other members.it̢۪s 
just so interesting to hear ho how these 
perfect people react, must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.


Simon F
*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray

*Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

It was not you that made people leave it is 
rather the lack of a moderator stopping this I think that is the issue



On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn̢۪t my intention to make it happen.

.

Regards,


Simon F


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on
the mac

I completely agree.  I can’t believe thethe moderator has been
silent and allowed this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware
of a way to mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe
from the list.

- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as
opposed to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and
staying. I too am gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am
ashamed of what I̢۪ve seen here, and to those se who were supportive
you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of
a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them
are gone.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive
bigotry.  I’ve got much better things to to do with my time and
would prefer to surround myself with 
tolerant, respectful people. Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this list.


Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…

>>



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[John Panarese]

Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the original 
article on Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I have been messing with 
FF on the Mac for a long time and accessibility is finally improving again with 
VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point of being quite usable.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:56 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. moderator, their contact information is 
> in the footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Freedom of Speech Carries With
> It Implicit Responsibility.
> 
> On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:
>> "Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
>> &
>> Wonder if "They" support The Views  of TheMembers/Subscribers, which would 
>> be The Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue
>> EvenThough
>> it's OFF Topic/Subject
>> I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail
>> At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>>> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>>> 
>>> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
>>> I believe it is time
>>>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>>> 
>>> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
>>> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, 
>>> must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>>> 
>>> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
>>> stopping this I think that is the issue
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty >><mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>>> 
>>>That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
>>>Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Simon F
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>>>Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
>>>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on
>>>the mac
>>> 
>>>I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been
>>>silent and allowed this crap to go on.
>>>Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware
>>>of a way to mute a topic.
>>>It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe
>>>from the list.
>>> 
>>>- Brad -
>>> 
>>>On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson >><mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as
>>>opposed to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and
>>>staying. I too am gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am
>>>ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who were supportive
>>>you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of
>>>a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them
>>>are gone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi,
>>> 
>>>Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive
>>>bigotry.  I’ve got much better things to do with my time and
>>>would prefer to surround myself with tolerant, respectful people. 
>>> Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this list.
>>> 
>>>Those who care to make contact can conne

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. moderator, their contact 
information is in the footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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It Implicit Responsibility.

On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:

"Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
&
Wonder if "They" support The Views  of TheMembers/Subscribers, which 
would be The Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue

EvenThough
it's OFF Topic/Subject

I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail

At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:

No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,

I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
I believe it is time
  To block the sender and trash their emails,

Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from 
other members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect 
people react, must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.


Simon F
*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray

*Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a 
moderator stopping this I think that is the issue



On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
Regards,


Simon F


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on
the mac

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been
silent and allowed this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware
of a way to mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe
from the list.

- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as
opposed to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and
staying. I too am gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am
ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who were supportive
you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of
a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them
are gone.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive
bigotry.  I’ve got much better things to do with my time and
would prefer to surround myself with tolerant, respectful people. 
Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this list.


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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

"Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
&
Wonder if "They" support The Views  of 
TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be The 
Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue

EvenThough
it's OFF Topic/Subject

I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail

At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:

No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,

I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
I believe it is time
  To block the sender and trash their emails,

Which I hate to say could cause me to miss 
emails of interest from other members.it’s 
just so interesting to hear how these perfect 
people react, must be difficult living in their close minded worlds.


Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Julie Rattray

Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

It was not you that made people leave it is 
rather the lack of a moderator stopping this I think that is the issue



On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty 
<<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
Regards,


Simon F


From: 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
On Behalf Of Brad Snyder

Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the 
moderator has been silent and allowed this crap to go on.
Unlike a <http://groups.io/>Groups.io email 
list, I am not aware of a way to mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this 
is to unsubscribe from the list.


- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson 
<<mailto:ali...@gmail.com>ali...@gmail.com> wrote:


and my point is made. we just lost a good member 
of the list as opposed to this piece of trash 
who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am 
gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am 
ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those 
who were supportive you rock. to people like 
ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful of a 
future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone.



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MacVisionaries 
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wrote:


Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this 
sort of insensitive bigotry.  I’ve got much 
better things to do with my time and would 
prefer to surround myself with tolerant, 
respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this list.


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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Blocking addresses is one way but does not solve it completely. 
Perhaps deleting a thread without reading it.


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On 7/1/2020 11:08 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
allowed this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io  email list, I am not aware of a 
way to mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from 
the list.


- Brad -


On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson > wrote:


and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed 
to this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am 
gone. I can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen 
here, and to those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, 
phil and chuck I am just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes 
and the people spouting them are gone.



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> wrote:


Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive 
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prefer to surround myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am 
unsubscribing from this list.


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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Guys, please don’t leave. If you leave, you just surrender a useful resource to 
some behaviourally challenged individuals and it’s a dead loss to everyone else.

The right thing to do is:

1. Contact the mods and/or owner.

2. Filter your email. Mail.app will do it on macOS; iOS has a block feature for 
recognised senders and a mute thread feature to stop the notifications; iCloud 
and other providers will let you set up rules. You don’t need to help those 
who’ve decided to surrender to their communitarian instincts.

3. Join other lists in case the signal/noise ratio on this list doesn’t return.

4. If you have the time, educate the poor darlings. Most of them are simply 
insulated, not actively malicious or bad people. Their regressive ideologies 
are the product of an easy and culturally homogeneous lifestyle, and their 
conspiratorial hatred is only being encouraged and exploited by some very nasty 
individuals for their own material ends. The key point is that tolerance and 
forgiveness of others is not incompatible with a sense of place and happiness; 
their hearts are, in all likelihood, big enough for everybody, even those who 
are in some insubstantial way different from themselves. Needless to say, do 
that off-list.

5. Try very hard not to reply reflexively or emotionally. It’ll just add to the 
noise and the heat, and more people will feel the need to leave.

Cheers,
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks Simon 

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:15, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Julie,
>  
> My email address is
> si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
>  
> happy to assist if I can
>  
> good luck and don’t stay away to long.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> Aha agreed I have been really disappointed with the thread and just don’t 
> want this kind of stuff in my inbox so am one of the people who has decided 
> to leave the list - would be happy to keep in touch with some list members as 
> help and advise has been so welcome but at at time when we should all be 
> remembering our humanity some people appear to have lost theirs   
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:05, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>  
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time
>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>  
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, must 
> be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>  
> Simon F
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
> stopping this I think that is the issue 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
> mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
>  
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
>  
> Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.
>  
> Later…
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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Julie,

My email address is
si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>

happy to assist if I can

good luck and don’t stay away to long.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Aha agreed I have been really disappointed with the thread and just don’t want 
this kind of stuff in my inbox so am one of the people who has decided to leave 
the list - would be happy to keep in touch with some list members as help and 
advise has been so welcome but at at time when we should all be remembering our 
humanity some people appear to have lost theirs


On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:05, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,

I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
I believe it is time
  To block the sender and trash their emails,

Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, must 
be difficult living in their close minded worlds.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
stopping this I think that is the issue



On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
Regards,


Simon F


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and allowed 
this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io<http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list.

- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…



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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Fuck sake,

I have only now seen this and I have to admit that this is pushing this shit to 
far.

 Tim is one of the best people both as a member of this list and his knowledge 
of the world of apple.

 Sorry tim that this has caused you to go.

 As they ssay, only the good die young,
 And this list has just lost one of the best.and to you racist pricks causing 
this shit,
Why don't youdo the world a favour and go put your head in a sand hill and 
breath deeply.

Even the animal world has more respect for other chreatures than you self 
centred ignorant shitheads have for your fellow man.

To the majority fof this list who respect and appreciate the usefulness of the 
list content,

I apologise to you for my language,

 But this thread has gone on to long.

I will try again to contact the mods of the list and get them to do something 
for us.

Otherwise I'd suggest setting up a rule in your mail clients or online mail 
services to block the original senders thread for now that is the best we can 
do.with any luck the smarter forms of life on this planet will slap some sense 
in to these people.

Like the cockroach  I just saw run under the door.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 5:15 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Cc: David Carlson 
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Tim,
You did not give out your personal email. Not sure how to reach you. Mine is 
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker




On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:47 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
>>> 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

Aha agreed I have been really disappointed with the thread and just don’t want 
this kind of stuff in my inbox so am one of the people who has decided to leave 
the list - would be happy to keep in touch with some list members as help and 
advise has been so welcome but at at time when we should all be remembering our 
humanity some people appear to have lost theirs   

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:05, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>  
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time
>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>  
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, must 
> be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>  
> Simon F
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
> stopping this I think that is the issue 
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
> mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
>  
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
>  
> Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.
>  
> Later…
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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,

I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
I believe it is time
  To block the sender and trash their emails,

Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, must 
be difficult living in their close minded worlds.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
stopping this I think that is the issue


On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
Regards,


Simon F


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and allowed 
this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io<http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list.

- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
stopping this I think that is the issue 

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
> mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
>  
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
>  
> Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.
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> Later…
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RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,

That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
Regards,


Simon F


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and allowed 
this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io<http://Groups.io> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list.

- Brad -

On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone.


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Brad Snyder]

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and allowed 
this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io  email list, I am not aware of a way to 
mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list.

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On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone. 


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Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

I am sorry that Simon’s well crafted message did not put an end to this and sad 
to see that we have now lost two members publicly and possibly more behind the 
scenes. 

I will not re-itterate the arguments that have already been made about the 
inappropriateness of this thread but would like to just say that despite 
several requests to end it which may have allowed us to move on it has 
continued. I now feel that I have no choice but also to remove myself from the 
list - I had hoped that the list moderators would have stepped in and put an 
end to this but as they have not I feel like others I can no longer be part of 
this group which if, even in small part, by lack of action is supporting hugely 
inappropriate and offensive behaviour.

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 06:53, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
> 
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> 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone. 


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

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list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

religious and political sigs have no place on a mac list. the only thing we 
should be speaking about are our macs. if white racists   want to start their 
own group go ahead. funny how you bigots tout free speech until someone calls 
you out on your hate, and then we need to shut up! free speech goes both ways, 
and when hate is spoken people who care call it out. at least I do. I am a 
bisexual liberal witch, but you don’t see me coming on here with signatures 
about it b/c it’s not the appropriate place. take it off list.
On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or insensitive 
about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s from the 
south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are terrible. 
And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are exposed to 
the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like hearing about 
aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, but I don’t get my 
nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or wipe their signatures. 
That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main reasons  why we threw the 
British crown out of the colonies, so we could speak our damn minds. apparently 
 You all hate free-speech and you love conformity and that’s really too damn 
bad.

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Dave Carlson]

Tim,
You did not give out your personal email. Not sure how to reach you. Mine is 
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker




On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:47 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin > > wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Phil Halton]

I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or insensitive 
about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s from the 
south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are terrible. 
And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are exposed to 
the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like hearing about 
aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, but I don’t get my 
nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or wipe their signatures. 
That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main reasons  why we threw the 
British crown out of the colonies, so we could speak our damn minds. apparently 
 You all hate free-speech and you love conformity and that’s really too damn 
bad.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
> &
> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
> 
> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
> 
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> ThisThread
> 
> 
> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Don'tThink:
>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
&
 I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands

All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith

MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with 
MyOPreviousPosting to ThisThread



At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
other than it’s bigoted and racist, and 
disrespectful and insensitive, no there’s not 
a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*


On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:

Don'tThink:
There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's 
Signature, so He shouldn't Be Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.


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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*

On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:

Don'tThink:
There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

Don'tThink:
There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's 
Signature, so He shouldn't Be Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.


But HisSignature should Be Ignored By Those,Who 
Don'tBelieve as Well as Those, Who Do Believe as he Does


Let's Not Allow  a  Subscriber'sSignature   to Derail  Threads.
Just Stay ON the Topic of the Thread


At 01:38 AM 7/1/2020, you wrote:

Hi Folks,

I know for a fact this has already been brought 
to the attention of the list moderators


So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list 
back to those issues the list is here for,

That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!

Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, 
but we cann all keep them to ourselves and or out of our email signatures.


Could you please be mature about this and 
respect the lists views and remove your current 
signature / comment and we can go back to a 
friendly computing related email list where 
everyone respects everyone else for their computing abilities and helpfulness


Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.


Regards,


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told 
you can’t say what you just 
said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest 
friend out here backing me up.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone 
Through the Experiences  that They Have 
and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences

i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  I̢۪m sicsick and tired of 
people on my side telling us we can’t„¢t 
stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs̢۪. MO MORE!



I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via 
MacVisionaries 
< 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support 
this so I̢۪ll need to get a new one next 
year.  Maybe be I should wait till I can get a 
maxed out Mac mini with the new Apple chip set.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo 
<n0...@charter.net < 
mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:


This is really exciting, hopefully we will have 
very good voiceover support in Firefox very 
soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/ 



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

I wasn’t going to speak up again, but mark is obviously not going to in a 
timely manner, take this shit off list. I don’t need to be dared to look up 
wackadoo conspiracy theories. take your shit off list. no one wants to hear it.
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> OK.
> falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his 
> religion of "Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than you 
> kids think!.
> 1984 anybody?
> Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening which 
> threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!
> https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
> I dare you guys to look up this guy!
> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
> Thanks

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Chuck,
"God is not the author of confusion"
KJB



On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:


Hi Simon,
OK.
falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his religion of 
"Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than you kids think!.
1984 anybody?
Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening which 
threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!
https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
I dare you guys to look up this guy!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually 
foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
Thanks
Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein???

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:38 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Folks,

I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of the list 
moderators

So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues the list 
is here for,
That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!

Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep them to 
ourselves and or out of our email signatures.

Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and remove 
your current signature / comment and we can go back to a friendly computing 
related email list where everyone respects everyone else for their computing 
abilities and helpfulness

Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.


Regards,


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Oh and I suppose you???re not going to be told you can???t say what you just 
said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here backing me up.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin  wrote:

MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the Experiences  that They 
Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  Im sick and tired of people on my side telling us we 
cant stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs.  MO MORE!


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries < 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so Ill need to get a 
new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini 
with the new Apple chip set.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:

This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support in 
Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   As bind / low vision people, we all have encountered discrinination. 
And we have all fought against it.


   Why is it that some practice discrimination against other human 
beings who themselves have been repressed for centuries? Now they are 
fighting against discrimination. What makes white folk think they are 
superior over people of color? I could go on but it's pointless for some 
are so entrenched in tehir thinking it would take a sledgehammer to 
change it.


   Human beings we all are, and we all share a common ancester which 
started in east Africa.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/1/2020 6:06 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Simon,
OK.
falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his 
religion of "Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than 
you kids think!.

1984 anybody?
Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening 
which threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!

https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
I dare you guys to look up this guy!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!

Thanks
Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:38 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Folks,
I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of 
the list moderators

So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues 
the list is here for,

That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!
Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep 
them to ourselves and or out of our email signatures.
Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and 
remove your current signature / comment and we can go back to a 
friendly computing related email list where everyone respects everyone 
else for their computing abilities and helpfulness

Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.
Regards,
Simon F
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>*On Behalf Of*Raymond Foret Jr

*Sent:*Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Subject:*Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told you can’t say what you 
just said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here 
backing me up.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for 
the blind:


Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the
Experiences  that They Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side
telling us we can’t stand up for it but BLM can stand up for
theirs’.  MO MORE!


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my
Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader
access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so
I’ll need to get a new one next year.  Maybe I
should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini with
the new Apple chip set.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my
Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen
reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo
mailto:n0...@charter.net>>
wrote:

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Simon,
OK.
falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his 
religion of "Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than you kids 
think!.
1984 anybody?
Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening which 
threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!
https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
I dare you guys to look up this guy!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually 
foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
Thanks
Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:38 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>  
> I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of the list 
> moderators
>  
> So before Mark has to put his foot down,
> Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues the 
> list is here for,
> That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!
>  
> Ray,
> We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep them to 
> ourselves and or out of our email signatures.
>  
> Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and remove 
> your current signature / comment and we can go back to a friendly computing 
> related email list where everyone respects everyone else for their computing 
> abilities and helpfulness
>  
> Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told you can’t say what you just 
> said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here backing me 
> up.  
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>  
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>  
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin  wrote:
>  
> MayBe
> That's Because
> You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the Experiences  that 
> They Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
> i.e., YourPrivileged Life
> 
> Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
> as
> I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis
> 
> BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!
> 
> Just Sayin
> 
> Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
> At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
> 
> Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side telling us we 
> can’t stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs’.  MO MORE!
> 
> 
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries < 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Raymond,
>   Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
> 
> I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a 
> new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini 
> with the new Apple chip set.
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> Sincerely,
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:
> 
> This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support 
> in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
> https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/
>  
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