Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Does grade two input work with Lion? My download of Lion is proving a little difficult yet. On 23 Jul 2011, at 02:11, carolyn Haas wrote: Hey David: Had no idea! Wonderful! Thank you. Carolyn On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:31 PM, David Tanner wrote: Well, go to your settings for Braille and set it for Contracted Braille input. That is quite easy to do. - Original Message - From: Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac. Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Hi listers: I have a related question: I believe this may have been discussed, but I'm finally getting fluent enough with the Braillino to pair with things. I've found it doesn't work nearly as well with iPad as with iPhone. And this makes no sense since it's the same OS. With the iPhone, I can input grade 2 braille, but this sends my iPad into terrible fits.:) Has anon had experience with this? Any hope in sight of grade 2 and iPad? Thanks for any input (any grade will due.:)Carolyn On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Hi, I don't know about the iPad, but it works fine on the iPhone, and not at all under lion!!! Every time I try to input anything, it takes all of the letters as their words. Forexample, the word mail comes up as moreailike. Very strange! Vaughn.On 23/07/2011, at 5:18 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi listers: I have a related question: I believe this may have been discussed, but I'm finally getting fluent enough with the Braillino to pair with things. I've found it doesn't work nearly as well with iPad as with iPhone. And this makes no sense since it's the same OS. With the iPhone, I can input grade 2 braille, but this sends my iPad into terrible fits.:) Has anon had experience with this? Any hope in sight of grade 2 and iPad? Thanks for any input (any grade will due.:)Carolyn On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Hi there! My braille is a little rusty! So does this mean you've got to put dots 5 and 6 before each letter to tell the Mac that the following item is a letter and not a word! That's of course if I remembered that right! Colin On 22 Jul 2011, at 22:26, Vaughn Bennison wrote: Hi, I don't know about the iPad, but it works fine on the iPhone, and not at all under lion!!! Every time I try to input anything, it takes all of the letters as their words. Forexample, the word mail comes up as moreailike. Very strange! Vaughn.On 23/07/2011, at 5:18 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi listers: I have a related question: I believe this may have been discussed, but I'm finally getting fluent enough with the Braillino to pair with things. I've found it doesn't work nearly as well with iPad as with iPhone. And this makes no sense since it's the same OS. With the iPhone, I can input grade 2 braille, but this sends my iPad into terrible fits.:) Has anon had experience with this? Any hope in sight of grade 2 and iPad? Thanks for any input (any grade will due.:)Carolyn On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necessity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Well, go to your settings for Braille and set it for Contracted Braille input. That is quite easy to do. - Original Message - From: Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac. Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
Hey David: Had no idea! Wonderful! Thank you. Carolyn On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:31 PM, David Tanner wrote: Well, go to your settings for Braille and set it for Contracted Braille input. That is quite easy to do. - Original Message - From: Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac. Input in grade 2 would be awesome! I've gotten pretty fast at inputting in computer braille out of necisity, but prefer grade 2. Caitlyn On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Inputting with grade two braille on the Mac.
I think it's not likely since the what's new made no mention of it, but that doesn't stop me from hoping. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-17, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi All. I connected my Essys to my Mac this afternoon via Bluetooth and was disappointed to see that we can only input in grade one braille although the braille display will show grade two. As those of you know if we connect braille devices to the I phone we can input into grade two braille. I really hope that we will be able to do a lot more when Lion is released. I hope there are some beta testers who are giving braille feedback to the Apple developers. I'm thinking of becoming a beta tester next year for this purpose. What do people think would they like to input using grade two braille? Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
