Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Donna Goodin]

I agree!  That's the one thing I really hate about the Mac.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 5:04 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> It really annoys me that you have to use so many keys to do something so 
> simple.
> 
> On 7/1/17, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> Hi Cait. Actually, anyone that has Sierra installed will be able to run High
>> Sierra. That includes mid 2010 Macs like mine. And as for the extra key,
>> they did this so that accessing the navigation rotor is easier for people.
>> But I do understand that it may be an inconvenience for some people.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo
>>> options!
>>> 
>>> and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to
>>> handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy
>>> bank..
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:
 
 At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in
 mind, however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle
 any form of Sera, I had to wing it.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you
>> actually do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take
>>> away VO plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g.,
>>> speech rate, volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to
>>> adjust those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff
>>> like speech rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it
>>> shows only stuff like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web
>>> spots, navigation, etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options
>>> available when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have
>>> to now use Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I
>>> went into VO help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a
>>> solution.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>>> 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Krister Ekstrom]

There’s always the keyboard commander.
/Krister

> 1 juli 2017 kl. 12:28 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> Actually love the new shortcut. I do however see how it is a problem to 
> somebody. with one hand or other difficulties.
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2017, at 7:19 pm, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cait. Actually, anyone that has Sierra installed will be able to run High 
>> Sierra. That includes mid 2010 Macs like mine. And as for the extra key, 
>> they did this so that accessing the navigation rotor is easier for people. 
>> But I do understand that it may be an inconvenience for some people.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo 
>>> options!
>>> 
>>> and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to 
>>> handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy 
>>> bank..
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:
 
 At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in 
 mind, however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle 
 any form of Sera, I had to wing it.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you 
>> actually do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away 
>>> VO plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., 
>>> speech rate, volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only 
>>> stuff like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, 
>>> navigation, etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options 
>>> available when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to 
>>> now use Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went 
>>> into VO help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>>> 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Michael Marshall]

Actually love the new shortcut. I do however see how it is a problem to 
somebody. with one hand or other difficulties.

> On 1 Jul 2017, at 7:19 pm, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cait. Actually, anyone that has Sierra installed will be able to run High 
> Sierra. That includes mid 2010 Macs like mine. And as for the extra key, they 
> did this so that accessing the navigation rotor is easier for people. But I 
> do understand that it may be an inconvenience for some people.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo 
>> options!
>> 
>> and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to 
>> handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy 
>> bank..
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
>>> however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form 
>>> of Sera, I had to wing it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness > wrote:
 
 thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
 
 Cait
 
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you 
> actually do it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away 
>> VO plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech 
>> rate, volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
>> like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
>> etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
>> help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>> 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[lenron brown]

It really annoys me that you have to use so many keys to do something so simple.

On 7/1/17, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> Hi Cait. Actually, anyone that has Sierra installed will be able to run High
> Sierra. That includes mid 2010 Macs like mine. And as for the extra key,
> they did this so that accessing the navigation rotor is easier for people.
> But I do understand that it may be an inconvenience for some people.
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo
>> options!
>>
>> and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to
>> handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy
>> bank..
>>
>> Cait
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in
>>> mind, however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle
>>> any form of Sera, I had to wing it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>>> built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>
 On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness > wrote:

 thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol

 Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
>
> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you
> actually do it.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > > wrote:
>>
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take
>> away VO plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g.,
>> speech rate, volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to
>> adjust those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff
>> like speech rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it
>> shows only stuff like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web
>> spots, navigation, etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options
>> available when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have
>> to now use Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I
>> went into VO help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a
>> solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
>>
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Cait. Actually, anyone that has Sierra installed will be able to run High 
Sierra. That includes mid 2010 Macs like mine. And as for the extra key, they 
did this so that accessing the navigation rotor is easier for people. But I do 
understand that it may be an inconvenience for some people.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo 
> options!
> 
> and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to 
> handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy 
> bank..
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
>> however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form 
>> of Sera, I had to wing it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:
 
 You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
 do it.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez  > wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away 
> VO plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech 
> rate, volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
> like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
> etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
> help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
> 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Michael Marshall]

i love that now if you have other language voices and you set VO to select the 
voice based on language in the roter if you hit a german webpage it will speek 
using what ever german voice you have on.
You can add an extra languages, the speech settings page is quite different.

> On 1 Jul 2017, at 3:37 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
> however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form of 
> Sera, I had to wing it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>>> do it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > wrote:
 
 Good day list,
 I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
 plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech 
 rate, volume, etc?)
 I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
 those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
 rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
 like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
 etc.)
 No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
 when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
 Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
 help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
 Thanks for any help that can be provided.
 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
you add the shift key to that command and you can change the rate and things on 
the fly.

> On 1 Jul 2017, at 2:45 pm, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
> 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Michael Marshall]

the command now is VO, CMD and shift to do those settings.

> On 1 Jul 2017, at 2:49 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually do 
> it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
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> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>> volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate 
>> on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, 
>> (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, 
>> but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[afik Suffir]

Command, VO key, plus shift, plus right, down, up, or left arrow. Its very 
annoying for me, because I use just one hand, I have a motorical problem with 
the other. 

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> ‫ב-1 ביולי 2017, בשעה 8:01, ‏‏⁨Caitlyn Furness⁩ 
> ‏<⁨caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com⁩> כתב/ה:‬
> 
> Um, I thought it was vo command and the arrow keys to change options like 
> speech rate, etc?
> 
> when I do vo right arrow alone, it just advances the vo cursor through 
> wherever I happen to be..
> 
> HTH,
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
>> 
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>> volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate 
>> on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, 
>> (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, 
>> but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[afik Suffir]

Hi Daniel, you have to add theshift key. For example, command+shift+vo 
key+down arrow/right/left arrows. 


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> ‫ב-1 ביולי 2017, בשעה 7:45, ‏‏⁨Daniel Chavez⁩ ‏<⁨topdog2...@gmail.com⁩> 
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> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Caitlyn Furness]

I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo 
options!

and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to 
handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy bank..

Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
> however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form of 
> Sera, I had to wing it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>>> do it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > wrote:
 
 Good day list,
 I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
 plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech 
 rate, volume, etc?)
 I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
 those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
 rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
 like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
 etc.)
 No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
 when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
 Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
 help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
 Thanks for any help that can be provided.
 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Ray Foret jr]

At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form of 
Sera, I had to wing it.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>> do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>>> volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
>>> like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
>>> etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
>>> help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Kliphton Miller]

You have to add the shift key now
This will give you the options you are looking for.
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Scott Granados]

+1 Ray is right on the money I think.


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>> do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>>> volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
>>> like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
>>> etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
>>> help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol

Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually do 
> it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
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> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>> volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate 
>> on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, 
>> (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, 
>> but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Caitlyn Furness]

Um, I thought it was vo command and the arrow keys to change options like 
speech rate, etc?

when I do vo right arrow alone, it just advances the vo cursor through wherever 
I happen to be..

HTH,
Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Ray Foret jr]

You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually do 
it.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
> 
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