Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries
I found that the way to get past that message about not having permission was 
to swipe to the log in button, double tap and then log in and then go back to 
the email, click again on the link and now I get an option to sign up to the 
group!
Harry

> On 28 Jan 2022, at 21:41, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
> group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
> You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
> to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
> too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>> found.
>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>> access to that page also.
>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max
>> 
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>>> 
>>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>>> 
>>> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
>>> so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
>>> wording of the links in the invitation.
>>> 
>>> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
>>> 
>>> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
>>> go from there.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
 hi,
 I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
 then click on the link to join?
 Or is this not necessary?
 Max.
 
> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from 
> there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
> amount of invites we can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
> the link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Karen Lewellen
actually, I am not personally joining, but hopefully that solution will 
help those with link issues.

Karen



On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, joseph hudson wrote:


Try sending a message with the word subscribe to the following email address.

viphone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com


On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
the google groups site at all.
I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track everyone 
these days.
would freelists.org be a possibility?
Karen



On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:


Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
too bad we can’t go to groups.io.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not found.
Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have access 
to that page also.
Can anybody give me any pointers?
Thanks for any help.
Max


On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of 
the links in the invitation.

-But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can go 
from there.

Best of luck!

Cheers!

Cara




On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:


hi,
I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
click on the link to join?
Or is this not necessary?
Max.


On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

Hi All,

I have some good news!

Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)

For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least until 
Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.

Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original members 
of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. This will 
take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we can send out 
each day.

For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
link to the group page.

https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2

I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we had. 
You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!

Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all a 
lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!

Cheers!

Cara

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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread joseph hudson
Try sending a message with the word subscribe to the following email address.

viphone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
> the google groups site at all.
> I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
> everyone these days.
> would freelists.org be a possibility?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
>> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get 
>> a group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max 
>> did. You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging 
>> in, but to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like 
>> Google. It’s too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>>> found.
>>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>>> access to that page also.
>>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>> 
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
 
 yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
 
 I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
 so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
 wording of the links in the invitation.
 
 -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
 
 If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we 
 can go from there.
 
 Best of luck!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
 
 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  
>> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
> then click on the link to join?
> Or is this not necessary?
> Max.
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At 
>> least until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens 
>> from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
>> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
>> amount of invites we can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here 
>> is the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list 
>> than what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the 
>> new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
It would probably be less costly to run your own e-mail server and host the 
list there. My personal e-mail is on a server that I manage, hosted at 
linode.com.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Cara Quinn 
Date: Friday, 28January, 2022 at 19:27
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Cc: Cara Quinn 
Subject: Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone
HI All,

Just as a general reply, Mark and I will definitely see what we can do to try 
to figure out what is going on.

My sincere apologies for the inconvenience.

As I said, we are still considering moving the list but we have more research 
to do.

Just to give you an idea, at present with our current list membership, Groups 
IO would charge us approx. $1200 per year to host VIPhone there and this goes 
up as more folks join. I’m really not wanting to ask for donations so while the 
cost is not prohibitive, we’d certainly love something a bit cheaper with a 
decent feature set if we can get it. :)

It would also take quite a while to add everyone as Groups IO has more 
stringent limits on how many people can directly be added / invited each day.

Lastly, I’ve sent their customer service a note several days ago now and still 
have not seen a response.

So right now, Google is still the best option in the short-term until we find a 
better solution. Trust me, we are still looking! :)

Anyway, thanks to you all and once again, Mark and I will look into these 
issues ya’ll are seeing and see what we can do.

Please have a great weekend and please do feel free to direct any more 
questions or issues you’re finding directly to me or Mark. This way we should 
see them a bit faster.

Thanks so much!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jan 28, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>
> I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
> the google groups site at all.
> I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
> everyone these days.
> would freelists.org be a possibility?
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:
>
>> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
>> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get 
>> a group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max 
>> did. You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging 
>> in, but to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like 
>> Google. It’s too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>>> found.
>>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>>> access to that page also.
>>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>>
>>>> On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>>>>
>>>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
>>>> so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
>>>> wording of the links in the invitation.
>>>>
>>>> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
>>>>
>>>> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we 
>>>> can go from there.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Cara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
>>>>> then click on the link to join?
>>>>> Or is this not necessary?
>>>>> Max.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some good news!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At 
>>>>>> least until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens 
>>>>>> from there.
>>>>>>
&

Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Cara Quinn
HI All,

Just as a general reply, Mark and I will definitely see what we can do to try 
to figure out what is going on.

My sincere apologies for the inconvenience.

As I said, we are still considering moving the list but we have more research 
to do.

Just to give you an idea, at present with our current list membership, Groups 
IO would charge us approx. $1200 per year to host VIPhone there and this goes 
up as more folks join. I’m really not wanting to ask for donations so while the 
cost is not prohibitive, we’d certainly love something a bit cheaper with a 
decent feature set if we can get it. :)

It would also take quite a while to add everyone as Groups IO has more 
stringent limits on how many people can directly be added / invited each day.

Lastly, I’ve sent their customer service a note several days ago now and still 
have not seen a response.

So right now, Google is still the best option in the short-term until we find a 
better solution. Trust me, we are still looking! :)

Anyway, thanks to you all and once again, Mark and I will look into these 
issues ya’ll are seeing and see what we can do.

Please have a great weekend and please do feel free to direct any more 
questions or issues you’re finding directly to me or Mark. This way we should 
see them a bit faster.

Thanks so much!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jan 28, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
> the google groups site at all.
> I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
> everyone these days.
> would freelists.org be a possibility?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
>> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get 
>> a group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max 
>> did. You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging 
>> in, but to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like 
>> Google. It’s too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>>> found.
>>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>>> access to that page also.
>>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>> 
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
 
 yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
 
 I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
 so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
 wording of the links in the invitation.
 
 -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
 
 If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we 
 can go from there.
 
 Best of luck!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
 
 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  
>> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
> then click on the link to join?
> Or is this not necessary?
> Max.
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At 
>> least until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens 
>> from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
>> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
>> amount of invites we can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here 
>> is the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list 
>> than what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the 
>> new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Karen Lewellen
I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of 
visiting the google groups site at all.
I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
everyone these days.

would freelists.org be a possibility?
Karen



On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:


Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
too bad we can’t go to groups.io.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not found.
Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have access 
to that page also.
Can anybody give me any pointers?
Thanks for any help.
Max


On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of 
the links in the invitation.

-But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can go 
from there.

Best of luck!

Cheers!

Cara




On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:


hi,
I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
click on the link to join?
Or is this not necessary?
Max.


On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

Hi All,

I have some good news!

Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)

For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least until 
Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.

Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original members 
of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. This will 
take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we can send out 
each day.

For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
link to the group page.

https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2

I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we had. 
You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!

Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all a 
lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!

Cheers!

Cara

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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Mary Otten
Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
too bad we can’t go to groups.io.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
> found.
> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
> access to that page also.
> Can anybody give me any pointers?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max
> 
>> On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>> 
>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>> 
>> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
>> perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording 
>> of the links in the invitation.
>> 
>> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
>> 
>> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
>> go from there.
>> 
>> Best of luck!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
>>> click on the link to join?
>>> Or is this not necessary?
>>> Max.
>>> 
 On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have some good news!
 
 Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
 
 For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
 until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
 
 Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
 members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
 invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount 
 of invites we can send out each day.
 
 For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
 the link to the group page.
 
 https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
 
 I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
 people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
 what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
 
 Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
 all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Agent086b
Hi,
clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not found.
Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have access 
to that page also.
Can anybody give me any pointers?
Thanks for any help.
Max

> On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
> 
> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
> 
> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
> perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of 
> the links in the invitation.
> 
> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
> 
> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
> go from there.
> 
> Best of luck!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
>> click on the link to join?
>> Or is this not necessary?
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have some good news!
>>> 
>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>> 
>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>>> 
>>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites 
>>> we can send out each day.
>>> 
>>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>>> the link to the group page.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>> 
>>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
>>> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries
Hi Cara. Well I'm glad everything's back up and running with you guys over at 
VIPhone. I'm just hoping that the same outcome doesn't happen with this group. 
As for VIPhone, I'm thinking I may return. I just needed a break from the drama 
pool that was cluttering my inbox every day. So I may click on that subscribe 
link and rejoin you.

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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
> can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
> link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread joseph hodge
Thank you for explaining. I hope I wasn't being rude by asking it just crossed 
my mind lol.  

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> On Jan 27, 2022, at 7:27 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Well there are obviously no guarantees, but considering that VIPhone has been 
> around for about thirteen years now, I think we hopefully will be OK until we 
> can think of a better solution. :)
> 
> We’re still not opposed to the idea of moving the list to a new provider and 
> the money, while a bit steep for a group our size, is not really the issue. 
> There were several factors which went into deciding to stay with Google 
> Groups for the time being.
> 
> if nothing else, it was actually the fastest way we could get a list back up 
> and running. Other providers would have taken much, much  longer to 
> accommodate reinstating all of our members.
> 
> So this was definitely a consideration.
> 
> With that, I think we should probably close this topic here for now, and let 
> MacVisionaries get back to being MacVisionaries. :)
> 
> If anyone else has any additional questions, I’d be happy to answer them so 
> please feel free to email me directly if you’d like.
> 
> Thanks everyone and please have a lovely day / evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 4:56 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> My only question is since Google kicked you guys off the first time what 
>> makes the second group any different? I’m just worried that people are going 
>> to sign up just to have the same issue arise who knows when! It would just 
>> be interesting to know why Google did this so the second time around it 
>> doesn’t repeat itself hopefully you guys figure that out soon. I understand 
>> that other services cost money so not ideal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have some good news!
>>> 
>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>> 
>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>>> 
>>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites 
>>> we can send out each day.
>>> 
>>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>>> the link to the group page.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>> 
>>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
>>> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread joseph hudson
I think if she did that, and since she has such a wide membership, we would 
have to pay yearly. And some of us would have to sponsor the payment. Do you 
need to keep in mind, that to bite off of that, it would be $220 for the whole 
year. So each person that wanted to join, after the first hundred joined, would 
have to pay five bucks. And who else how many people would actually wanna do 
that. If this was of something of interest, I would not mind being the sole 
pair and helping get the group up and running but if I did it and you wanted to 
join after the first hundred members hand subscribe, you would have to make an 
appoint to sponsor us at least five bucks. I do suggest looking at the 
following group, that way you can know about the pricing structure and all of 
that good stuff. Below will be a link to the archives. And actually, this is a 
link to the pricing page that you can find on the groups io homepage as well. 
But if you go to the beta group, and put in pricing, you can look at all the 
thread that was talked about in 2020.

https://groups.io/static/pricing

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:13 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> have you considered moving over to groups. Io instead of using Google?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> Neither do we!
>> 
>> As I said, neither Mark nor I had gotten any notice whatsoever from Google. 
>> Even before I’d had a chance to look at the group that day, listers sent 
>> Mark and I notes letting us know that the group had been banned from Google 
>> and that they could not access it.
>> 
>> Even I could not access the group from the My Groups page on Google. I 
>> actually needed to search the web for VIPhone and then saw the banned 
>> Content notice that everyone else did.
>> 
>> Fortunately, as group owners, Mark and I were given a button which allowed 
>> us to proceed to the standard VIPhone page so we could at least try to 
>> figure out what messages Google did not like and request a manual review of 
>> the list.
>> 
>> 
>> Google has still not reached out in any way, to either Mark or myself to 
>> offer us any kind of information at all or to let us know if they’ve begun 
>> any kind of review.
>> 
>> So we are as much in the dark on this as you all are.
>> 
>> I wish I could say more but I have no more to say! lol! it’s just crazy!
>> 
>> I’ll definitely keep you all up to date as soon as I know any more.
>> 
>> For now though, let’s all make the new group as much a home as the original. 
>> I’m certainly going to! :)
>> 
>> thanks so much, Michael for your note and please, everyone have a terrific 
>> day / evening!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What exactly is googles problem? have they actually earmarked anything that 
>>> could be potentially harmful? I just don't get this.
>>> 
> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have some good news!
 
 Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
 
 For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
 until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
 
 Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
 members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
 invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount 
 of invites we can send out each day.
 
 For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
 the link to the group page.
 
 https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
 
 I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
 people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
 what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
 
 Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
 all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Ryan Mann
have you considered moving over to groups. Io instead of using Google?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Neither do we!
> 
> As I said, neither Mark nor I had gotten any notice whatsoever from Google. 
> Even before I’d had a chance to look at the group that day, listers sent Mark 
> and I notes letting us know that the group had been banned from Google and 
> that they could not access it.
> 
> Even I could not access the group from the My Groups page on Google. I 
> actually needed to search the web for VIPhone and then saw the banned Content 
> notice that everyone else did.
> 
> Fortunately, as group owners, Mark and I were given a button which allowed us 
> to proceed to the standard VIPhone page so we could at least try to figure 
> out what messages Google did not like and request a manual review of the list.
> 
> 
> Google has still not reached out in any way, to either Mark or myself to 
> offer us any kind of information at all or to let us know if they’ve begun 
> any kind of review.
> 
> So we are as much in the dark on this as you all are.
> 
> I wish I could say more but I have no more to say! lol! it’s just crazy!
> 
> I’ll definitely keep you all up to date as soon as I know any more.
> 
> For now though, let’s all make the new group as much a home as the original. 
> I’m certainly going to! :)
> 
> thanks so much, Michael for your note and please, everyone have a terrific 
> day / evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What exactly is googles problem? have they actually earmarked anything that 
>> could be potentially harmful? I just don't get this.
>> 
 On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have some good news!
>>> 
>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>> 
>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>>> 
>>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites 
>>> we can send out each day.
>>> 
>>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>>> the link to the group page.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>> 
>>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
>>> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi Cara,
I am wondering if you contacted google's accessibility team directly 
regarding the review request?
Perhaps I am wrong, but making that decision without notification  seems 
more like wanting you to upgrade your group to something else instead.

Best,
Karen





Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi Joseph,

Well there are obviously no guarantees, but considering that VIPhone has been 
around for about thirteen years now, I think we hopefully will be OK until we 
can think of a better solution. :)

We’re still not opposed to the idea of moving the list to a new provider and 
the money, while a bit steep for a group our size, is not really the issue. 
There were several factors which went into deciding to stay with Google Groups 
for the time being.

if nothing else, it was actually the fastest way we could get a list back up 
and running. Other providers would have taken much, much  longer to accommodate 
reinstating all of our members.

So this was definitely a consideration.

With that, I think we should probably close this topic here for now, and let 
MacVisionaries get back to being MacVisionaries. :)

If anyone else has any additional questions, I’d be happy to answer them so 
please feel free to email me directly if you’d like.

Thanks everyone and please have a lovely day / evening!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jan 27, 2022, at 4:56 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> My only question is since Google kicked you guys off the first time what 
> makes the second group any different? I’m just worried that people are going 
> to sign up just to have the same issue arise who knows when! It would just be 
> interesting to know why Google did this so the second time around it doesn’t 
> repeat itself hopefully you guys figure that out soon. I understand that 
> other services cost money so not ideal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
>> can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>> the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
>> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
>> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
>> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Cara Quinn
hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of 
the links in the invitation.

-But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can go 
from there.

Best of luck!

Cheers!

Cara



> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
> click on the link to join?
> Or is this not necessary?
> Max.
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
>> can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>> the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
>> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
>> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
>> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread joseph hodge
My only question is since Google kicked you guys off the first time what makes 
the second group any different? I’m just worried that people are going to sign 
up just to have the same issue arise who knows when! It would just be 
interesting to know why Google did this so the second time around it doesn’t 
repeat itself hopefully you guys figure that out soon. I understand that other 
services cost money so not ideal.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
> can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
> link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Michael Marshall
The whole thing is ridiculous.

> On 28 Jan 2022, at 3:43 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Neither do we!
> 
> As I said, neither Mark nor I had gotten any notice whatsoever from Google. 
> Even before I’d had a chance to look at the group that day, listers sent Mark 
> and I notes letting us know that the group had been banned from Google and 
> that they could not access it.
> 
> Even I could not access the group from the My Groups page on Google. I 
> actually needed to search the web for VIPhone and then saw the banned Content 
> notice that everyone else did.
> 
> Fortunately, as group owners, Mark and I were given a button which allowed us 
> to proceed to the standard VIPhone page so we could at least try to figure 
> out what messages Google did not like and request a manual review of the list.
> 
> 
> Google has still not reached out in any way, to either Mark or myself to 
> offer us any kind of information at all or to let us know if they’ve begun 
> any kind of review.
> 
> So we are as much in the dark on this as you all are.
> 
> I wish I could say more but I have no more to say! lol! it’s just crazy!
> 
> I’ll definitely keep you all up to date as soon as I know any more.
> 
> For now though, let’s all make the new group as much a home as the original. 
> I’m certainly going to! :)
> 
> thanks so much, Michael for your note and please, everyone have a terrific 
> day / evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What exactly is googles problem? have they actually earmarked anything that 
>> could be potentially harmful? I just don't get this.
>> 
>>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have some good news!
>>> 
>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>> 
>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>>> 
>>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites 
>>> we can send out each day.
>>> 
>>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>>> the link to the group page.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>> 
>>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
>>> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Agent086b
hi,
I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
click on the link to join?
Or is this not necessary?
Max.

> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
> can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
> link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-27 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi Michael,

Neither do we!

As I said, neither Mark nor I had gotten any notice whatsoever from Google. 
Even before I’d had a chance to look at the group that day, listers sent Mark 
and I notes letting us know that the group had been banned from Google and that 
they could not access it.

Even I could not access the group from the My Groups page on Google. I actually 
needed to search the web for VIPhone and then saw the banned Content notice 
that everyone else did.

Fortunately, as group owners, Mark and I were given a button which allowed us 
to proceed to the standard VIPhone page so we could at least try to figure out 
what messages Google did not like and request a manual review of the list.


Google has still not reached out in any way, to either Mark or myself to offer 
us any kind of information at all or to let us know if they’ve begun any kind 
of review.

So we are as much in the dark on this as you all are.

I wish I could say more but I have no more to say! lol! it’s just crazy!

I’ll definitely keep you all up to date as soon as I know any more.

For now though, let’s all make the new group as much a home as the original. 
I’m certainly going to! :)

thanks so much, Michael for your note and please, everyone have a terrific day 
/ evening!

Cheers!

Cara


> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> What exactly is googles problem? have they actually earmarked anything that 
> could be potentially harmful? I just don't get this.
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
>> can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>> the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
>> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
>> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
>> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-26 Thread joseph hudson
Hey thanks, I have successfully added myself.

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
> can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
> link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-26 Thread Michael Marshall
What exactly is googles problem? have they actually earmarked anything that 
could be potentially harmful? I just don't get this.

> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
> can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the 
> link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people 
> and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we 
> had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all 
> a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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