Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

VOCR will take a photo of the screen and let you as the user navigate the 
screenshot and click on items in it.

It is my go to app if a Mac app isn’t accessible.

Best
Michael - KJ7PAZ
Payown Media, LLC


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 7:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> What exactly is VOCR? The web page didn’t really describe what it was or how 
> it works.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:54 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, 
>> had to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a 
>> pretty seamless process to get going.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand 
>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to 
 run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
 insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
 officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off 
 just getting a PC.
 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
> 
> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve 
> never attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
> parallels is.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> 
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>> 
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> 
>> How software looks like ?
>> 
>> Thank you so much, 
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Mike Arrigo]

What exactly is VOCR? The web page didn’t really describe what it was or how it 
works.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:54 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, had 
> to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a pretty 
> seamless process to get going.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand 
>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to 
>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off 
>>> just getting a PC.
>>> 
> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
 
 To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve 
 never attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
 parallels is.
 
> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Hope my mail finds you well,
> 
> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
> 
> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
> actually what are the available options in this regards?
> 
> How software looks like ?
> 
> Thank you so much, 
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed  
> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

I am also interested in running Windows on a silicon based Mac. I have always 
run Bootcamp for this on Intel, wish Apple would make this available again at 
some point in the future.
I have tried Parallels on someone’s MacBook Air M2 with 8 core cpu,  8gb ram 
and 512gb ssd. As I understand it, Parallels is the best option at the moment 
and is Microsoft supporting ARM-based Windows 11 officially now. Parallels 
downloads the Windows for you. It is not accessible unfortunately, as many 
already stated here. But when installed it is possible to start and stop the 
virtual Windows machine with Voice Over. The pricing of Parallels is a bit high 
by the way. 
I installed the latest ARM-version of Jaws 2023 and it ran pretty well without 
any stutter or weird issues. The apps which I ran in the short time with it, 
did fine. My worries are, before I buy a MacBook Pro and installing Windows via 
Parallels, is the compatibility of certain apps I must run on Windows. I have 
learned not all Windows apps will run on ARM-hardware, even not through Rosetta 
2.
Plus I still keep wondering how much speed-loss you experience while running 
Windows in such virtual machine? There must be some performance drop because 
its a operating system running in a program on an other operating system.
And no, I rather not buy a seperate Windows pc for this;)
 
Ronald


> Op 27 apr. 2023, om 16:06 heeft mattias jonsson  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> try this link for parallels desktop appstore edition
> 
> Parallels Desktop
> google.com
>  
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>Parallels
>  Desktop 
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> google.com 
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe
>  
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> 
>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 15:34 skrev Michael Babcock :
>> 
>> Hi
>> It is not!
>> 
>> Hear are 2 resources that may help:
>> 
>> VOCR: https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
>> Downloads – Install Parallels 
>> Desktop,https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/download/
>> Using Parallels for Mac (2022) 
>> https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/using-parallels-mac-2022
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 5:35 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
>>>> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
>>>> easier using VOCR.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: mattias jonsson 
>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>>>> 
>>>> dont use utm
>>>> utm dont support tpm etc
>>>>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>>>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>>>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>>>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>>>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the onl

Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

Hi
It is not!

Hear are 2 resources that may help:

VOCR: https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
Downloads – Install Parallels 
Desktop,https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/download/
Using Parallels for Mac (2022) 
https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/using-parallels-mac-2022

Hope this helps.


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 5:35 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?
> 
> On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
>> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
>> easier using VOCR.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: mattias jonsson 
>> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>> 
>> dont use utm
>> utm dont support tpm etc
>>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>> 
>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've
>>>>> never attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running
>>>>> parallels is.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple
>>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or
>>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you so much,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>>>>> 
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Re: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[lenron brown]

Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?

On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
> easier using VOCR.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: mattias jonsson 
> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>
> dont use utm
> utm dont support tpm etc
>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>
>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've
>>>> never attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running
>>>> parallels is.
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple
>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>>>>
>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or
>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>
>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>>>>
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RE: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Joe Hodge]

UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much easier 
using VOCR. 

- Original Message -
From: mattias jonsson 
Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

dont use utm
utm dont support tpm etc
> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>> 
>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>> 
>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>> 
>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>> 
>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

dont use utm
utm dont support tpm etc

> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
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> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hope my mail finds you well,
 
 What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
 Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
 
 I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, had 
to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a pretty 
seamless process to get going.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
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>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hope my mail finds you well,
 
 What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
 Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
 
 I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
 actually what are the available options in this regards?
 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Herbie Allen]

I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.


> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
> getting a PC.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
>> is.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>> 
>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>> 
>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>> 
>>> How software looks like ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, 
>>> 
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Mike Arrigo]

Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft insider 
program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been officially 
released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just getting a PC.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
> is.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> 
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
>> with Mac OS 13? 
>> 
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> 
>> How software looks like ?
>> 
>> Thank you so much, 
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

but the latest vmware fussion for m1 have an audio bug
so litle unusable now

> 26 apr. 2023 kl. 16:35 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
>> is.
> 
> Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
> accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would suggest 
> checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.
> 
> I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the details. 
> Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a Mac OS version 
> with working accessibility.
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

and please dont get in on the crap called utm

> 26 apr. 2023 kl. 16:34 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Parallels is doable but requires that you add an app called VOCR to your 
> system to read the OS install screens. GitHub - chigkim/VOCR 
>  is where you can get this.
> 
> There are several steps to getting this installed involving giving various 
> permissions but the steps on the GitHub web page are pretty clear on what you 
> need to do.
> If you then choose File:New, in Parallels you can run OCR and issue mouse 
> clicks on the get windows option and then continue. Rerun OCR and then issue 
> a mouse click on Install Windows.
> 
> Things should be automatic from that point until you can launch Narrator.
> 
> You’ll likely want to use a utility called Sharp Keys, to remap caps lock in 
> the Windows OS.
> 
> There is a third option beyond Fusion, which did recently announce a 
> production version of Fusion for the M1 and M2 Macs.  UTM, available from the 
> Mac App Store or as a download, is a GUI front end to an open source 
> virtualization platform called QEMU. You can create VMs on the M1 and M2 Macs 
> here by starting with a VHDX file from the Windows Insider program.  There 
> are more hoops you have to jump through with UTM but it also works.
> 
> I’ve used all three of these solutions with success on an M1 Mac. BTW, Fusion 
> has a free personal license you can obtain. Parallels has I believe about a 
> $99 a year subscription for the basic option and I think $119 for the Pro, 
> which includes command line support and more.
> 
> I am working on a audio demo of installing and such with Parallels and hope 
> to have it done in a couple days.
> 
> Hit, if you install the Linux options with Parallels, the default password 
> created for the account that Parallels creates, is the same as your Mac OS 
> password. I’m sharing this because at least for me the answer wasn’t 
> immediately obvious.
> 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know 
>> nothing about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I would 
>> look into this being that you have an M1 though.
>> 
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>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
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>>> How software looks like ?
>>> Thank you so much,
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.


Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would 
suggest checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.


I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the 
details. Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a 
Mac OS version with working accessibility.


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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

Parallels is doable but requires that you add an app called VOCR to your system 
to read the OS install screens. GitHub - chigkim/VOCR 
 is where you can get this.

There are several steps to getting this installed involving giving various 
permissions but the steps on the GitHub web page are pretty clear on what you 
need to do.
If you then choose File:New, in Parallels you can run OCR and issue mouse 
clicks on the get windows option and then continue. Rerun OCR and then issue a 
mouse click on Install Windows.

Things should be automatic from that point until you can launch Narrator.

You’ll likely want to use a utility called Sharp Keys, to remap caps lock in 
the Windows OS.

There is a third option beyond Fusion, which did recently announce a production 
version of Fusion for the M1 and M2 Macs.  UTM, available from the Mac App 
Store or as a download, is a GUI front end to an open source virtualization 
platform called QEMU. You can create VMs on the M1 and M2 Macs here by starting 
with a VHDX file from the Windows Insider program.  There are more hoops you 
have to jump through with UTM but it also works.

I’ve used all three of these solutions with success on an M1 Mac. BTW, Fusion 
has a free personal license you can obtain. Parallels has I believe about a $99 
a year subscription for the basic option and I think $119 for the Pro, which 
includes command line support and more.

I am working on a audio demo of installing and such with Parallels and hope to 
have it done in a couple days.

Hit, if you install the Linux options with Parallels, the default password 
created for the account that Parallels creates, is the same as your Mac OS 
password. I’m sharing this because at least for me the answer wasn’t 
immediately obvious.


Kelly



> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know nothing 
> about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I would look 
> into this being that you have an M1 though.
> 
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> On 4/26/2023 5:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
>> with Mac OS 13?
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> How software looks like ?
>> Thank you so much,
>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know 
nothing about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I 
would look into this being that you have an M1 though.


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On 4/26/2023 5:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
with Mac OS 13?

I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or actually 
what are the available options in this regards?

How software looks like ?

Thank you so much,

Mohamed E. Fayed



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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Jessica Moss]

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Hope my mail finds you well,
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> with Mac OS 13? 
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> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or actually 
> what are the available options in this regards?
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> How software looks like ?
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> Thank you so much, 
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