RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Simon Fogarty]

The best option is as later iPhone as possible, as it will give you the latest 
possible updates in OS and therefore security features,
And will last you longer in the long run.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 12:55 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

Hi!
Just curious.
What iphone did you have before?
I am thinking of switching back to Iphone but don’t want to pay the horrible 
prices for a new so i wonder what old models would be the best to come back to.
/A

> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 22:58 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. I 
> purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any reason 
> to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people stopped 
> buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so greedy in 
> making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really new in the 
> hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>> their business model in the coming years.
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
>>> completely.
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
>>>> describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
>>>> every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
>>>> sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
>>>> definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
>>>> spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
>>>> accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
>>>> Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
>>>> dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
>>>> need to revise their business model.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The End Of Apple
>>>>> By Stephen McBride
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>>>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch 
>>>>> for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd 
>>>>> price tag of the latest Apple
>>>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly 
>>>>> traded company.
>>>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>>>>> about 35% from its November peak.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout 
>>>>> of wealth in a single stock ever.
>>>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked 
>>>>> at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>>>> 
>>>>> By t

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Actually you can pretty much do the same on android as you can on IOS. It is 
just done differently, and you kinda have to know more to do the same.
The note is cutesy, yes, but a little too big for what i am used too...
Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Jan 2019, at 08.33, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You mean go backwards?!
> 
> No they just need to keep up the quality and lower the pricing.
> 
> People know they have a quality product or more so a few years back,
> 
> It's the pricing of devices that is killing their sales.
> 
> 
> Samsung for example also do less in the way of computer devices but more in 
> the way of home appliances such as tv's microwave oven and normal oven 
> devices 
> 
> Apples accessibility still in my book leads the way but Android is getting 
> slowly better,
> 
> As for hardware,
> Android devices can be found with better processors and ram etc,
> And it's a shame that apple rely on such companys as Samsung for things like 
> flash memory for their devices 
> 
> Like the release of the iPhone XS and Max 512 GB devices,
> 
> Production was delayed due to Samsung not being able to provide the 512Gig 
> memory 
> 
> Samsung also now have 1TB mobile devices in the S9 galaxy and Note 9 ranges.
> 
> And having just looked at a Note 9 a couple of days ago I can honestly say,
> Apple need to look at their design of product.
> 
> The note is a very very smooth and comfortable designed device.
> 
> And appears to be all glass.
> I'm not going to run from apple at this point but it's only a money thing 
> that stops me updating 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 7:40 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> Well,
> Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, 
> they would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher 
> with at least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, 
> bring back licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a 
> supported hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just 
> under $30 and still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is 
> similar to the windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more 
> limited (like certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard 
> combos, sound devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here 
> using OS X Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right 
> hardware (like an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu 
> (pre i5) on an ASUS IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro 
> device with built-in Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here 
> and I use it for some things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is 
> still a beast (it can run the latest world of warships or world of tanks and 
> can even handle the latest world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it 
> when his windows machine can’t handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine 
> that’s 10 years old! :)
> 
> Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
> their current business model without some significant changes.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
>> 
>> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
>> 
>> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
>> follow with the injanuity!
>> There is still time to find that missing link.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Ch

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Simon Fogarty]

You mean go backwards?!

 No they just need to keep up the quality and lower the pricing.

 People know they have a quality product or more so a few years back,

 It's the pricing of devices that is killing their sales.


Samsung for example also do less in the way of computer devices but more in the 
way of home appliances such as tv's microwave oven and normal oven devices 

Apples accessibility still in my book leads the way but Android is getting 
slowly better,

As for hardware,
Android devices can be found with better processors and ram etc,
And it's a shame that apple rely on such companys as Samsung for things like 
flash memory for their devices 

Like the release of the iPhone XS and Max 512 GB devices,

Production was delayed due to Samsung not being able to provide the 512Gig 
memory 

Samsung also now have 1TB mobile devices in the S9 galaxy and Note 9 ranges.

 And having just looked at a Note 9 a couple of days ago I can honestly say,
Apple need to look at their design of product.

The note is a very very smooth and comfortable designed device.

And appears to be all glass.
I'm not going to run from apple at this point but it's only a money thing that 
stops me updating 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 7:40 PM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

Well,
Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, they 
would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher with at 
least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, bring back 
licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a supported 
hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just under $30 and 
still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is similar to the 
windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more limited (like 
certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard combos, sound 
devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here using OS X 
Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right hardware (like 
an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu (pre i5) on an ASUS 
IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro device with built-in 
Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here and I use it for some 
things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is still a beast (it can run 
the latest world of warships or world of tanks and can even handle the latest 
world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it when his windows machine can’t 
handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine that’s 10 years old! :)

Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
their current business model without some significant changes.

-Eric


> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
> 
> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
> 
> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
> follow with the injanuity!
> There is still time to find that missing link.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out next 
> year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want more 
> than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more to 
> support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank account 
> isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all this 
> together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  But 
> if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag 
>> of the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incre

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I use artificial sight, and i will put it like this, the iphone shines, the 
android phone crimes.
If people dont want apple , by god let them change, either you drive an Audi or 
an old Toyota, just remember if your life is on the line, dont you want the 
very best money can buy?
Right now i strongly believe its apple, i dont even think android have phones 
that comes close as in ram and cpu... but i could be wrong about that one 
My only reason to use android is, it is open, and i will admit that, it is a 
good testing platform.


Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Jan 2019, at 07.39, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Well,
> Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, 
> they would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher 
> with at least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, 
> bring back licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a 
> supported hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just 
> under $30 and still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is 
> similar to the windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more 
> limited (like certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard 
> combos, sound devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here 
> using OS X Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right 
> hardware (like an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu 
> (pre i5) on an ASUS IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro 
> device with built-in Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here 
> and I use it for some things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is 
> still a beast (it can run the latest world of warships or world of tanks and 
> can even handle the latest world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it 
> when his windows machine can’t handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine 
> that’s 10 years old! :)
> 
> Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
> their current business model without some significant changes.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
>> 
>> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
>> 
>> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
>> follow with the injanuity!
>> There is still time to find that missing link.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of 
>>> the latest Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded 
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its w

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, they 
would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher with at 
least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, bring back 
licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a supported 
hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just under $30 and 
still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is similar to the 
windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more limited (like 
certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard combos, sound 
devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here using OS X 
Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right hardware (like 
an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu (pre i5) on an ASUS 
IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro device with built-in 
Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here and I use it for some 
things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is still a beast (it can run 
the latest world of warships or world of tanks and can even handle the latest 
world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it when his windows machine can’t 
handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine that’s 10 years old! :)

Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
their current business model without some significant changes.

-Eric


> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
> 
> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
> 
> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
> follow with the injanuity!
> There is still time to find that missing link.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out next 
> year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want more 
> than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more to 
> support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank account 
> isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all this 
> together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  But 
> if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of 
>> the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded 
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>> about 35% from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's 
>> a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
>

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Lorie McCloud]

I had a 5-s. I liked it a lot. the only reason I upgraded is that it was a 16 
gig and I needed more room for my apps. I sold it back to Apple. if you like 
small phones I'd recommend the se. if you get on 
"blind-...@groups.io " a lot of folks on there are 
selling iPhones.

Lorie

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Just curious.
> What iphone did you have before?
> I am thinking of switching back to Iphone but don’t want to pay the horrible 
> prices for a new so i wonder what old models would be the best to come back 
> to.
> /A
> 
>> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 22:58 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. 
>> I purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any 
>> reason to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people 
>> stopped buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so 
>> greedy in making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really 
>> new in the hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>>> their business model in the coming years.
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
 completely.
 
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
> describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
> every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
> sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
> definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
> spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
> accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
> Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
> dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
> need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
>> Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
>> tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
>> 35%
>> from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Just curious.
What iphone did you have before?
I am thinking of switching back to Iphone but don’t want to pay the horrible 
prices for a new so i wonder what old models would be the best to come back to.
/A

> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 22:58 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. I 
> purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any reason 
> to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people stopped 
> buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so greedy in 
> making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really new in the 
> hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>> their business model in the coming years.
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
>>> completely.
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
 describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
 every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
 sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
 definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
 spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
 accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
 Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
 dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
 need to revise their business model.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
> Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
> 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
> wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 
> 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
> small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best 
> Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, you could take and i know you have taken the plunge into Android.
So have i too but to me that platform does not meet all of my needs yet.
Still apple is leading the way accessibility works on touchscreen devices IMHO.
/A

> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 19:16 skrev lenron brown :
> 
> Even if it was fact most of you wouldn't say so. I mean really this is
> an apple list. Apple is over priced, and they have only made this
> point by raising prices like mad with in the last few years. The only
> reason why people in the states are so shocked by the prices is
> because they are no longer getting the phone at the discount prices.
> In reality you were still having to pay you just use to be locked in
> to a 2 year contract with a bill that was still high. I know someone
> will say well x other company charges almost as apple for what ever
> phone, this might be true but apple leads the way in this case. Plus
> lack of features and all makes me want to run away from the IPhone. I
> really could careless about updates on time so much, when it's not
> like I get much new that matters to me. I am sure I can get another
> year or two out of this 7plus and I am cool with that. Unless I end up
> jumping on the 5g train.
> 
> On 1/22/19, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> Just a quick comment.
>> This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned
>> by the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the
>> assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed
>> 
>> the  link to the actual article.
>> Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his
>> opinions are his own.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest
>>> Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
>>> tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about
>>> 35%
>>> from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of
>>> wealth
>>> in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold
>>> 14
>>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a
>>> small
>>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best
>>> Buy
>>> for $500.
>>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked
>>> its
>>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>>> But let me tell you this.
>>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player
>>> in
>>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>>> company in history.
>>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>>> most businesses.
>>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its 

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Simon Fogarty]

Apple are over priced yes,

My ipHone X 256 retailed at the time for 2200 NZ dollars,
 Extremely costly for a mobile phone,

 RRP for these devices can be seen on the apple.co.nz website,

 I think if apple were to bring their pricing down by 25% it would put heir 
devices in to  a range of the next closest products e.g. samsungs galaxy s9 / 
Note 9,
 
But I still think they are lacking in changes,
Nothing in the iPhone has really changed with design other than the home button 
and removal of the phone jack,
Nothing else is new, other companys have had or got the same things 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 7:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

Even if it was fact most of you wouldn't say so. I mean really this is an apple 
list. Apple is over priced, and they have only made this point by raising 
prices like mad with in the last few years. The only reason why people in the 
states are so shocked by the prices is because they are no longer getting the 
phone at the discount prices.
In reality you were still having to pay you just use to be locked in to a 2 
year contract with a bill that was still high. I know someone will say well x 
other company charges almost as apple for what ever phone, this might be true 
but apple leads the way in this case. Plus lack of features and all makes me 
want to run away from the IPhone. I really could careless about updates on time 
so much, when it's not like I get much new that matters to me. I am sure I can 
get another year or two out of this 7plus and I am cool with that. Unless I end 
up jumping on the 5g train.

On 1/22/19, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Just a quick comment.
> This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was 
> concerned by the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from 
> Apple about the assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number 
> sources, so I followed
>
> the  link to the actual article.
> Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating 
> his opinions are his own.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:
>
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>>
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag 
>> of the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
>> tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly 
>> traded company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>> about 35% from its November peak.
>>
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But 
>> there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold
>> 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
>> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even 
>> a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch 
>> one from Best Buy for $500.
>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average 
>> price for a smartphone today is $320, accordin

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Simon Fogarty]

I've decided that my x will have to last me 2 years, so that will be very late 
this year.

I don't see the need to update to the XS as there isn't a lot of difference 
between the x and XS in my book.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brandon Olivares
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:53 AM
To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

I just upgraded to the iPhone XS, but I’ll probably stick with this for a few 
years. I don’t mind the price, but there’s just so little real difference for 
blind people in new releases of the iPhone.

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
> completely.
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch 
>>> for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price 
>>> tag of the latest Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly 
>>> traded company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>>> about 35% from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>>> wealth in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
>>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But 
>>> there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>>> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
>>> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even 
>>> a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch 
>>> one from Best Buy for $500.
>>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average 
>>> price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has 
>>> hiked its smartphone prices by 500%!
>>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>>> But let me tell you this.
>>> Apple Can't Raise P

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Simon Fogarty]

I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.

Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.

Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
follow with the injanuity!
There is still time to find that missing link.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes is 
certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  But I 
did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out next year, 
too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want more than one 
year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more to support Apple 
because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank account isn't 
bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all this together.  
It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  But if products 
aren't selling, then they need to revise their business model.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of 
> the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded 
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
> about 35% from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
> wealth in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's 
> a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
> small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one 
> from Best Buy for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average 
> price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked 
> its smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today 
> over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant 
> player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable 
> publicly traded company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end 
> for most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge 
> prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

The X is last year’s model, without the home button and TouchID. The X R is the 
cheapest new model from this year, without the home button and TouchID, which 
improves upon the design, with amazing day long battery life, faster FaceID, 
and a better processor.

> On Jan 23, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> What’s the difference between the X and the XR?
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t upgrade my phone this year but if i did I would have probably have 
>> gotten the XR. Right now I have the X
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. 
>>> I purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any 
>>> reason to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people 
>>> stopped buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so 
>>> greedy in making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really 
>>> new in the hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
 pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
 opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
 their business model in the coming years.
 
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
> completely.
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
>> describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
>> every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking 
>> about sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a 
>> phone, I definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm 
>> happy to spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've 
>> done for accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think 
>> someone at Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to 
>> charge top dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't 
>> selling, then they need to revise their business model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
>>> Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
>>> tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings 
>>> forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>>> about 35%
>>> from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>>> wealth
>>> in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>>> sold 14
>>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>> 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Jessica Moss]

What’s the difference between the X and the XR?

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t upgrade my phone this year but if i did I would have probably have 
> gotten the XR. Right now I have the X
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. 
>> I purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any 
>> reason to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people 
>> stopped buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so 
>> greedy in making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really 
>> new in the hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>>> their business model in the coming years.
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
 completely.
 
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
> describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
> every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
> sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
> definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
> spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
> accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
> Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
> dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
> need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
>> Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
>> tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
>> 35%
>> from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
>> small
>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best 
>> Buy
>> for $500.
>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Yuma Decaux]

The only reason to be concerned is the trade war going on between the U.S and 
China. China is banning several iphones on the premise that it violates several 
patents submitted by a chinese company for instance. 

Apple has built its business model on production being done outside, with 80% 
of the workforce being small hands assembling the phones, and about 250k 
employees in marketing/design/sales. The verticality of Apple products is its 
strongest as well as its weakest point, the latter because it relies on an 
economic situation within which we are distancing ourselves gradually. 
Outsourcing.

So the word gradual is essential here. Saying things like the end of Apple is 
simply click bate and total BS. A lot of media outlets really use wording to 
get sales, as its their only way of generating income. For instance, the new 
scientist keeps putting sensationalist titles for very little substance, and a 
lot of research made by arts bachelors who have no idea about science but rely 
on their investigative skills to proove a point, not statistical truths or 
correct empirical studies.

So Forbes telling me that Apple is dead is stretching it, though I am concerned 
about the overt political orientation some are taking.

I just want a great screen reader and platform that allows me to do what I need 
to, with the least path of resistance. Apple gives me that right now, compared 
to other platforms, so I fully support this great company.



> On 24 Jan 2019, at 5:54 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Well, all I can say is that people have been declaring the end of Apple 
> since 1997, and it seems their demise has been highly exaggerated. When you 
> have a company that is almost at a trillion dollars in overall value, I 
> suspect its end isn't quite upon us. Their focus has shifted over the years 
> and it seems every direction they go harbingers the usual declaration of 
> business mistakes and how this will be the "death-nail" for the company. This 
> all came up again when Apple announced they would not report iPhone sales 
> numbers with each quarterly report and, instead, will focus on services. 
> However, as I said, there hasn't been a need for the pallbearers quite yet.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, i did understood that.
>> I have seen more of these end of apple in the last month though.
>> So i am still wondering where apple’s at.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 19:07 skrev Karen Lewellen >> >:
>>> 
>>> Just a quick comment.
>>> This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned by 
>>> the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the 
>>> assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed 
>>> the  link to the actual article.
>>> Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his 
>>> opinions are his own.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 The End Of Apple
 By Stephen McBride
 
 "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
 Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
 I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
 American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
 The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
 (AAPL) iPhone.
 He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
 "Who can afford that?" he asks.
 
 Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
 Apple has had an incredible decade.
 Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
 The stock has soared over 700%.
 And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
 company.
 But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
 For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
 The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
 This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
 35%
 from its November peak.
 
 That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
 in a single stock ever.
 And it's only the beginning.
 Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
 If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
 Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
 
 By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[John Panarese]

   Well, all I can say is that people have been declaring the end of Apple 
since 1997, and it seems their demise has been highly exaggerated. When you 
have a company that is almost at a trillion dollars in overall value, I suspect 
its end isn't quite upon us. Their focus has shifted over the years and it 
seems every direction they go harbingers the usual declaration of business 
mistakes and how this will be the "death-nail" for the company. This all came 
up again when Apple announced they would not report iPhone sales numbers with 
each quarterly report and, instead, will focus on services. However, as I said, 
there hasn't been a need for the pallbearers quite yet.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, i did understood that.
> I have seen more of these end of apple in the last month though.
> So i am still wondering where apple’s at.
> /A
> 
>> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 19:07 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>> 
>> Just a quick comment.
>> This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned by 
>> the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the 
>> assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed 
>> the  link to the actual article.
>> Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his 
>> opinions are his own.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
>>> from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
>>> in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
>>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
>>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
>>> for $500.
>>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
>>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>>> But let me tell you this.
>>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
>>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>>> company in history.
>>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>>> most businesses.
>>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>>> Its prestigious brand and army of 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, i did understood that.
I have seen more of these end of apple in the last month though.
So i am still wondering where apple’s at.
/A

> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 19:07 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> Just a quick comment.
> This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned by 
> the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the 
> assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed 
> the  link to the actual article.
> Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his 
> opinions are his own.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
>> from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
>> for $500.
>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>> But let me tell you this.
>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>> company in history.
>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>> most businesses.
>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
>> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
>> $1,500?
>> $2,000?
>> 
>> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
>> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
>> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
>> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
>> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
>> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
>> Let that sink in.
>> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
>> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
>> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
>> sales.
>> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
>> segments are also stagnant.
>> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
>> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
>> I ran the numbers.
>> If Apple cut prices back 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I got both an android phone and iphone, each have their strong and weak sides.
The Cpu in the iphone is the strongest though, so is the one i use the most at 
least for sensing my surroundings unless if i need to record it , then i need 
to use the Android phone.


Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Jan 2019, at 05.29, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t upgrade my phone this year but if i did I would have probably have 
> gotten the XR. Right now I have the X
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. 
>> I purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any 
>> reason to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people 
>> stopped buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so 
>> greedy in making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really 
>> new in the hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>>> their business model in the coming years.
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
 completely.
 
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
> describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
> every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
> sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
> definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
> spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
> accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
> Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
> dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
> need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
>> Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
>> tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
>> 35%
>> from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
>> small
>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best 
>> Buy
>> for $500.

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Maria Reyes]

I didn’t upgrade my phone this year but if i did I would have probably have 
gotten the XR. Right now I have the X

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. I 
> purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any reason 
> to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people stopped 
> buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so greedy in 
> making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really new in the 
> hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>> their business model in the coming years.
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
>>> completely.
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
 describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
 every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
 sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
 definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
 spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
 accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
 Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
 dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
 need to revise their business model.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
> Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
> 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
> wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 
> 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
> small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best 
> Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. I 
purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any reason to 
upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people stopped 
buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so greedy in 
making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really new in the 
hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to pay 
> it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my opinion 
> there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change their 
> business model in the coming years.
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
>> completely.
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting 
>>> all this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get 
>>> it.  But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their 
>>> business model.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 The End Of Apple
 By Stephen McBride
 
 "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
 Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
 I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
 American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
 The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
 (AAPL) iPhone.
 He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
 "Who can afford that?" he asks.
 
 Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
 Apple has had an incredible decade.
 Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
 The stock has soared over 700%.
 And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
 company.
 But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
 For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
 The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
 This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
 35%
 from its November peak.
 
 That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
 in a single stock ever.
 And it's only the beginning.
 Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
 If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
 Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
 
 By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
 secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
 Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
 In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 
 14
 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
 Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
 In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
 In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
 Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
 It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
 But technology always gets cheaper over time.
 Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
 small
 one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best 
 Buy
 for $500.
 In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
 for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
 Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
 smartphone prices by 500%!
 Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
 But let me tell you this.
 Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
 It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
 Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
 five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
 Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player 
 in
 a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Lorie McCloud]

I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to pay 
it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my opinion 
there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change their business 
model in the coming years.

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
> completely.
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
>>> from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
>>> in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
>>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
>>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
>>> for $500.
>>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
>>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>>> But let me tell you this.
>>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
>>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>>> company in history.
>>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>>> most businesses.
>>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
>>> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>>> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
>>> $1,500?
>>> $2,000?
>>> 
>>> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
>>> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
>>> This is a 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   It's called capitalism. We have choices. Supply and demand works. GM 
is dumping models that are no longer in demand. If Apple produces all 
their products in the states, supply and demand would still work and 
we'd see different numbers.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/22/2019 10:16 AM, lenron brown wrote:

Even if it was fact most of you wouldn't say so. I mean really this is
an apple list. Apple is over priced, and they have only made this
point by raising prices like mad with in the last few years. The only
reason why people in the states are so shocked by the prices is
because they are no longer getting the phone at the discount prices.
In reality you were still having to pay you just use to be locked in
to a 2 year contract with a bill that was still high. I know someone
will say well x other company charges almost as apple for what ever
phone, this might be true but apple leads the way in this case. Plus
lack of features and all makes me want to run away from the IPhone. I
really could careless about updates on time so much, when it's not
like I get much new that matters to me. I am sure I can get another
year or two out of this 7plus and I am cool with that. Unless I end up
jumping on the 5g train.

On 1/22/19, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Just a quick comment.
This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned
by the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the
assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed

the  link to the actual article.
Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his
opinions are his own.
Kare



On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:


The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest
Apple
(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
tenfold.
The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
company.
But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about
35%
from its November peak.

That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of
wealth
in a single stock ever.
And it's only the beginning.
Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:

By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold
14
million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
But technology always gets cheaper over time.
Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a
small
one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best
Buy
for $500.
In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked
its
smartphone prices by 500%!
Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
But let me tell you this.
Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player
in
a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
company in history.
Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
most businesses.
But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge
prices
that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
After all, 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[lenron brown]

Even if it was fact most of you wouldn't say so. I mean really this is
an apple list. Apple is over priced, and they have only made this
point by raising prices like mad with in the last few years. The only
reason why people in the states are so shocked by the prices is
because they are no longer getting the phone at the discount prices.
In reality you were still having to pay you just use to be locked in
to a 2 year contract with a bill that was still high. I know someone
will say well x other company charges almost as apple for what ever
phone, this might be true but apple leads the way in this case. Plus
lack of features and all makes me want to run away from the IPhone. I
really could careless about updates on time so much, when it's not
like I get much new that matters to me. I am sure I can get another
year or two out of this 7plus and I am cool with that. Unless I end up
jumping on the 5g train.

On 1/22/19, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Just a quick comment.
> This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned
> by the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the
> assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed
>
> the  link to the actual article.
> Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his
> opinions are his own.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:
>
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>>
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest
>> Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
>> tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about
>> 35%
>> from its November peak.
>>
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of
>> wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold
>> 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a
>> small
>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best
>> Buy
>> for $500.
>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked
>> its
>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>> But let me tell you this.
>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player
>> in
>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>> company in history.
>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>> most businesses.
>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge
>> prices
>> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
>> $1,500?
>> $2,000?
>>
>> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
>> In November, Apple announced it 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Karen Lewellen]

Just a quick comment.
This is an opinion piece, not well standard journalism.  I was concerned 
by the lack of balance, i. e. talking with someone from Apple about the 
assumptions here, lack of specifics about the number sources, so I followed 
the  link to the actual article.
Author is credited as a contributor with the usual disclaimer stating his 
opinions are his own.

Kare



On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, M. Taylor wrote:


The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
company.
But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
from its November peak.

That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
in a single stock ever.
And it's only the beginning.
Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:

By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
But technology always gets cheaper over time.
Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
for $500.
In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
smartphone prices by 500%!
Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
But let me tell you this.
Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
company in history.
Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
most businesses.
But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
$1,500?
$2,000?

How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
Let that sink in.
A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
sales.
Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
segments are also stagnant.
Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
I ran the numbers.
If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million
additional phones just to match 2018's revenue.

Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate?
Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones.
In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read:
"Nokia: One billion customers-can anyone catch the cell phone king?"
The iPhone debuted in 2007. Here's Nokia's stock chart since then:

Original Article at:

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

['Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries]

 I bought my first iPhone (5) in 2012; then in 2014 I upgraded to an iPhone 6.  
That iPhone 6 continues to meet my needs insofar as a mobile pocket computer 
goes - including serving as a mobile telephone.

I would like to break down and buy the XR but I really don’t get what the 
benefit as a blind user would be; so many of the hardware improvements over the 
past several years have to do with visual enhancements (Augmented Reality, 
advanced cameras, increased photograph pixels, etc).  If there were any 
noteworthy enhancements for a totally blind person I’d probably jump into the 
fray and purchase the XR; but why?



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "To jealousy, nothing is more frightful than laughter."
- Françoise Sagan, French Novelist, screen Writer & Dramatist, 1935-2004

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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Brandon Olivares]

I just upgraded to the iPhone XS, but I’ll probably stick with this for a few 
years. I don’t mind the price, but there’s just so little real difference for 
blind people in new releases of the iPhone.

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
> completely.
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
>>> from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
>>> in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
>>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
>>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
>>> for $500.
>>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
>>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>>> But let me tell you this.
>>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
>>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>>> company in history.
>>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>>> most businesses.
>>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
>>> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>>> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
>>> $1,500?
>>> $2,000?
>>> 
>>> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
>>> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
>>> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Jessica Moss]

Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
completely.

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out next 
> year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want more 
> than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more to 
> support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank account 
> isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all this 
> together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  But 
> if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
>> from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
>> for $500.
>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
>> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
>> smartphone prices by 500%!
>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>> But let me tell you this.
>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
>> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
>> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
>> company in history.
>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
>> most businesses.
>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
>> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
>> $1,500?
>> $2,000?
>> 
>> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
>> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
>> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
>> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
>> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
>> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
>> Let that sink in.
>> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
>> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
>> And its other business lines can't pick up the 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes is 
certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  But I 
did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out next year, 
too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want more than one 
year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more to support Apple 
because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank account isn't 
bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all this together.  
It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  But if products 
aren't selling, then they need to revise their business model.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
> I ran the numbers.

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Nothing lasts forever.
But hopefully Apple will last for some years before someone kicks in and make 
things even better.
/A

> 22 jan. 2019 kl. 06:17 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
> I ran the numbers.
> If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million
> additional phones just to match 2018's revenue.
> 
> Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate?
> Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones.
> In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read:
> "Nokia: One billion customers-can anyone catch the cell phone king?"
> The iPhone debuted in 2007. Here's Nokia's stock chart since then:
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenmcbride1/2019/01/21/the-end-of-apple/#68
> 6fdd936dc0
> 
> -- 
> The following information 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I have a leg in both camps, and let’s just say it a super good and fast android 
phone, can run up too, it depends on what you want ,design, or just 
functionality? I use my phones for artificial sight, and let me tell you i 
trust the iphone over android everyday, but because of apples unwillingness too 
open up for APIS i need android too.
If you drive Audi you pay the price, that’s how it is 


Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 06.17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
> I ran the numbers.
> If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million
> additional phones just to match 2018's revenue.
> 
> Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate?
> Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones.
> In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read:
>