subject:"Re\: Using Parallels"

Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Are there stores that refreshing old computers so that they can be sold at a 
les expensive price?
I mean refurbished computers.
We have such companies here that get their from offices that buys new fresh 
computer and instead of throwing the computers the sell them to this company 
and the company checks them and reinstalls windows on them.
Bless.
/A

> 30 dec. 2023 kl. 21:02 skrev Phil Halton :
> 
> Well, since we are talking about windows here, let me see if I can sneak in a 
> completely off-topic question. I don’t want to go with virtualization. These 
> days it’s probably inexpensive enough just to buy a cheap laptop or some kind 
> of windows machine. Here’s the question, can anybody recommend something 
> inexpensive And functional running windows, it’s not gonna be a power machine 
> for me really just a novelty so I can play around with windows and windows 
> apps. Any suggestions welcome. Thank you
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  it. Comes down to personal chose. The. Real reason that  Microsoft went 
>> with  Parallels, is the  two  companies offices are. Vary  close to etch 
>> other. I know that  this  a  vary small thing. But is  is true. Both are in  
>> a  subvert of. Seattle Washington.
>> 
>> All  of that  aside, it. Comes down to personal chose.
>> 
>> For me  Parallels is. Working out  for  me . I hold to  something like  this 
>>  if  it  is  not  broken don’t  go  and  fix it.
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 18:26, Brent Harding  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
>>> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in 
>>> coming to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one 
>>> would go to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the 
>>> sighted community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is 
>>> only for the more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter 
>>> for many of us that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform 
>>> better in the real world, especially with the graphics card, which could 
>>> affect us if we want to game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that 
>>> want to use those capabilities for processing it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
>>> 
>>> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the 
>>> version of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by 
>>> several voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that 
>>> the company has no plans to address it.
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>>>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>>>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some
>>>>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>>>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
>>>>>> did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>>>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>>>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>>>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
>>>>>> 
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
I believe that Microsoft does not understand the importans of accessibility for 
such purposes.
You. Can of corse use a windows computer with their own screenreader for 
several tasks but when it comes to using Mac and then you need parallels using 
windows seems to be to much for them to grip.
Just my thoughts though.
/A

> 30 dec. 2023 kl. 19:26 skrev Brent Harding :
> 
> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in coming 
> to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one would go 
> to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the sighted 
> community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is only for the 
> more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter for many of us 
> that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform better in the real 
> world, especially with the graphics card, which could affect us if we want to 
> game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that want to use those 
> capabilities for processing it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
> 
> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version 
> of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several 
> voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the 
> company has no plans to address it.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some 
>>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
>>>> did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>> 
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Phil Halton

Well, since we are talking about windows here, let me see if I can sneak in a 
completely off-topic question. I don’t want to go with virtualization. These 
days it’s probably inexpensive enough just to buy a cheap laptop or some kind 
of windows machine. Here’s the question, can anybody recommend something 
inexpensive And functional running windows, it’s not gonna be a power machine 
for me really just a novelty so I can play around with windows and windows 
apps. Any suggestions welcome. Thank you
Sent from my IPhone


> On Dec 30, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
> 
> Hi  it. Comes down to personal chose. The. Real reason that  Microsoft went 
> with  Parallels, is the  two  companies offices are. Vary  close to etch 
> other. I know that  this  a  vary small thing. But is  is true. Both are in  
> a  subvert of. Seattle Washington.
> 
> All  of that  aside, it. Comes down to personal chose.
> 
> For me  Parallels is. Working out  for  me . I hold to  something like  this  
> if  it  is  not  broken don’t  go  and  fix it.
> 
> Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 18:26, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
>> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in 
>> coming to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one 
>> would go to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the 
>> sighted community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is 
>> only for the more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter 
>> for many of us that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform 
>> better in the real world, especially with the graphics card, which could 
>> affect us if we want to game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that 
>> want to use those capabilities for processing it.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
>> 
>> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version 
>> of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several 
>> voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the 
>> company has no plans to address it.
>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some
>>>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
>>>>> did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach
>>>>> mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can
>>>>> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Maurice A. Mines

Hi  it. Comes down to personal chose. The. Real reason that  Microsoft went 
with  Parallels, is the  two  companies offices are. Vary  close to etch other. 
I know that  this  a  vary small thing. But is  is true. Both are in  a  
subvert of. Seattle Washington. 

All  of that  aside, it. Comes down to personal chose.

For me  Parallels is. Working out  for  me . I hold to  something like  this  
if  it  is  not  broken don’t  go  and  fix it.

Maurice Mines.

> On Dec 30, 2023, at 18:26, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I 
> think the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in coming 
> to this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one would go 
> to do this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the sighted 
> community see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is only for the 
> more OSX feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter for many of us 
> that can't see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform better in the real 
> world, especially with the graphics card, which could affect us if we want to 
> game on it or as Windows adds more AI features that want to use those 
> capabilities for processing it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Parallels
> 
> If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version 
> of Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several 
> voiceover users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the 
> company has no plans to address it.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some 
>>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
>>>> did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>> 
>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach 
>>>> mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
>>>> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>> 
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>&

RE: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Brent Harding

This is a shame, as this is the official solution Microsoft recommends. I think 
the accessibility is one of those things Microsoft overlooked in coming to 
this, as there are trade-offs and benefits of whichever way one would go to do 
this kind of thing. On YouTube and other places, many in the sighted community 
see Parallels to be superior to Fusion, but if that is only for the more OSX 
feel to running Windows only, the looks don't matter for many of us that can't 
see it. Maybe it really does bench and perform better in the real world, 
especially with the graphics card, which could affect us if we want to game on 
it or as Windows adds more AI features that want to use those capabilities for 
processing it.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 10:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Parallels

If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version of 
Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several voiceover 
users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the company has no 
plans to address it.

> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
> My VO key is caps lock key.
> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some 
>> degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did 
>>> for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi folks.
>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
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>>> 
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Mike Arrigo

If you purchase an Apple silicon Mac, you can use Parallels with the version of 
Windows for ARM processors, the company has been contacted by several voiceover 
users about the lack of accessibility and it appears that the company has no 
plans to address it.

> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
> My VO key is caps lock key.
> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I 
>> thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did 
>>> for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi folks.
>>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>>> Does Anyone have any idea?
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-30 Thread Mike Arrigo

I’m surprised you got Parallels to work, last time I tried it, it was 
completely inaccessible with Voiceover.

> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:02 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
> Does Anyone have any idea?
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-29 Thread Michael Babcock

Someone shared this on mastodon the other day, and it blew my mind. Hopefully 
it'll help you!

What I suggest is map these to either numb pad or keyboard commanders, and then 
you can toggle the behavior of your caps key on the Mac. I'll copy the read me 
below.

I'll share a link feel free to check out the Apple, scripts on your own, but if 
you set the caps key to an insert key, then using laptop, layout, with jaws on 
windows in parallel, seems to be fairly well for me. The only major pain that I 
have is control, left and right arrows tend to not move me word by word…

https://github.com/TyflosAccessibleSoftware/ChangeKeyForVM

readme.md

# Change keyboard for Virtual machine

AppleScript to change the behaviour of the caps lock key for Virtual machines

## Description

This repository includes some apple scripts to modify the behaviour of the 
physical keyboard.

### KeyboardForVM

This AppleScript modifies the behaviour of the **caps lock** key changing it 
for other key.

This function is usefull for blind developers who needs to use a screen reader 
in a Virtual machine.

When a Windows virtual machine is running the screen readers usually use the 
**Insert** key as the *HotKey* for the screen reader but this key is not 
available in a MacOS keyboard.

Using this script the key *Caps lock* can be changed for other key to manage a 
screen reader in the Virtual machine.

 Usage

Run the script to show the behaviour selector for the **Caps lock** key and 
press *Enter*.

You have to use this script when you will start a Virtual machine app.

### KeyboardRemapper

This script allows us to remap a key with other one.

The available keys are: caps lock, left shift, right shift, left command, right 
command, left alt, right alt, left control and right control.

 Usage

Run the script to remap one of the available keys to other one.

If you need to remap more keys you have to run the script again.

### ResetCapsLock

This AppleScript resets the behaviour of the **caps lock** key.

This function is usefull for blind developers who needs to use a screen reader 
in MacOS.

 Usage

Run the script to aply the remap to the **Capslock** key.

You have to use this script when you finish to use a Virtual machine app.

### RemapCapsLockToInsert

This AppleScript modifies the behaviour of the **caps lock** key changing it to 
the **Insert** key.

This function is usefull for blind developers who needs to use a screen reader 
in a Virtual machine.

When a Windows virtual machine is running the screen readers usually use the 
**Insert** key as the *HotKey* for the screen reader but this key is not 
available in a MacOS keyboard.

 Usage

Run the script to aply the remap to the **Capslock** key.

You have to use this script when you will start a Virtual machine app.

## Information

These scripts use the command **hidutil**.
These changes are not permanent and the changes will be back when you reboot 
your machine or when you close your user session.

### Tips

You can convert these scripts in an application to run it easily.

To do this follow these steps:

* Open this script in the *Script editor*
* In the File menu choose the *Export* option
* In the Field *format* select *Application* and press the button *Save*
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The scripts are translated to English and Spanish.

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Please, contact me to include new translations for these scripts.

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> On Dec 29, 2023, at 8:02 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi folks.
> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
> Does Anyone have any idea?
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-29 Thread Phil Halton

I remember that sharp keys was the solution I used several years back when I was using VMware to run windows on a Mac. I think at that point VMware also had a facility to do some key remapping and I use that method as well. You won’t go wrong using sharp keys though. I’d kind of like to set up windows on my new killer MacBook Pro with the M3 Pro chip, but I just don’t have the interest anymore. I was thinking of getting some inexpensive laptop with windows installed but I don’t know what’s out there that’s worth buying anymore.  Any suggestions on that line would be appreciated as well. Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 12:02 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ve heard of that.I’ve also  tried vm where and could never get it to work.On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:Hello,The solution I use here is to remap a different key on the Windows VM to be Capslock. I typically turn the accent/tilde key into Capslock. You can find a program called Sharp Keys to do this. It basically edits a registry value.You can also look for PowerToys in the Windows App Store. That also does key remapping.KellyOn Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.My VO key is caps lock key.it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover usersSent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi folks.
I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
Does Anyone have any idea?

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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-29 Thread 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries

I’ve heard of that.
I’ve also  tried vm where and could never get it to work.

> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The solution I use here is to remap a different key on the Windows VM to be 
> Capslock. I typically turn the accent/tilde key into Capslock. You can find a 
> program called Sharp Keys to do this. It basically edits a registry value.
> 
> You can also look for PowerToys in the Windows App Store. That also does key 
> remapping.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
>> My VO key is caps lock key.
>> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I 
>>> thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:

 As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
 keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It 
 did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.

 On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 Hi folks.
 I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
 I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
 I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
 Does Anyone have any idea?

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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-29 Thread Kelly Ford

Hello,

The solution I use here is to remap a different key on the Windows VM to be 
Capslock. I typically turn the accent/tilde key into Capslock. You can find a 
program called Sharp Keys to do this. It basically edits a registry value.

You can also look for PowerToys in the Windows App Store. That also does key 
remapping.

Kelly


> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
> My VO key is caps lock key.
> it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I 
>> thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did 
>>> for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
 Hi folks.
 I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
 I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
 I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
 Does Anyone have any idea?
 
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2023-12-29 Thread 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries

to set it up, I have to use VOCR to read the screen.
My VO key is caps lock key.
it’s like the VM doesn’t see the key.

> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I 
> thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover users
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and 
>> keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did 
>> for me with VMWare 3 years ago.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi folks.
>> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
>> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
>> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
>> Does Anyone have any idea?
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Are you saying that parallels is now accessible at least to some degree? I thought it was a complete black box for Mac voiceover usersSent from my IPhoneOn Dec 29, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did for me with VMWare 3 years ago.On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi folks.
I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
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Re: Using Parallels

2023-12-29 Thread Jonathan Cohn

As  strange as it seems, telling VoiceOver to use the CAPSLOCK key and
keeping VoiceOver running while in Windows might resolve this issue. It did
for me with VMWare 3 years ago.


On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 11:02 AM 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries <
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> Hi folks.
> I still have and intel mac and wanted to get a new one in the new year.
> I’ve been playing with Parallels, and so far I like it.
> I just can’t seem to get the Caps lock key to work with Jaws or NVDA.
> Does Anyone have any idea?
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