Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, . . . this definitely has helped, but I, too, am having a serious hit and 
miss issue which I have absolutely never experienced before. Of course, given 
that fact, it seems that everywhere I go on the web now has tables with which I 
must deal. *Grumble*.
Christine

> On Sep 23, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
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> Thanks that all makes sense. Strangely I am still having lots of trouble with 
> tables. It is hit and miss. One thing I figured out to help a little bit is 
> to use the down arrow to get into the table. Not a VO down arrow but just the 
> down arrow with quick nav turned off. 
> 
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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christina C.]

Christine,

Have you tried turning quick nav off and when you get close to the table just 
using the arrow keys without any modifiers? If I can arrow down into the table 
, sometimes, once I am there I can then use the VO plus arrow keys to navigate. 
Using the arrow keys alone along with the correct toggle of vo plus equal sign 
is helping but not perfect. :( Also, I am using DOM mode. I have not tried 
using group mode for navigating website to see if that makes any difference.  

Christina
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, . . . this definitely has helped, but I, too, am having a serious hit 
> and miss issue which I have absolutely never experienced before. Of course, 
> given that fact, it seems that everywhere I go on the web now has tables with 
> which I must deal. *Grumble*.
> Christine
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks that all makes sense. Strangely I am still having lots of trouble 
>> with tables. It is hit and miss. One thing I figured out to help a little 
>> bit is to use the down arrow to get into the table. Not a VO down arrow but 
>> just the down arrow with quick nav turned off. 
>> 
>> Christina
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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christina C.]

Thanks that all makes sense. Strangely I am still having lots of trouble with 
tables. It is hit and miss. One thing I figured out to help a little bit is to 
use the down arrow to get into the table. Not a VO down arrow but just the down 
arrow with quick nav turned off. 

Christina

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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Alex Hall]

The first thing that comes to mind is table intractability. I know it's 
probably not the issue, but give it a shot. Hit vo-equals on a webpage and see 
if tables start working normally again. If not, hit it again to turn it back 
off.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 13:43, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> The subject says it all. I have tried interacting and not. I have tried using 
> the arrow keys. I never had trouble prior to this, but absolutely no table 
> within Safari is behaving for me. Am I overlooking something? Could I have 
> inadvertently made some change that has caused this to occur? I did try 
> changing web browsers, but I am still not having any luck. I have searched 
> for items I knew were present in the tables, but again, no luck. I do not 
> know what else to do. Help please!
> Christine
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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Christina C.]

Oh my gosh! I was having the exact same problem. I could not figure out what 
was going on.  I tried VO plus the equal sign and all I got was a bonk sound 
but suddenly I could access a table that I could not before.

Can you please explain what this vo plus equal sign command is for. I don’t 
understand it. I tried the keystroke a few more times and Vo just says table 
interaction required or table interaction not required. I don’t understand 
this.  In the past, before a few minutes ago and trying the vo plus equal sign, 
no matter how many times I tried to get voice Over to interact with a table it 
absolutely would not. VoiceOver would just act as if the table did not exist 
and I kept having to get sighted assistance. The only reason I knew there was a 
problem was because I had been to the sight in the past and new something was 
wrong. All seems to be working now but I would love to understand this command 
better if possible. Thanks so much!

Christina
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> The first thing that comes to mind is table intractability. I know it's 
> probably not the issue, but give it a shot. Hit vo-equals on a webpage and 
> see if tables start working normally again. If not, hit it again to turn it 
> back off.
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 13:43, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The subject says it all. I have tried interacting and not. I have tried 
>> using the arrow keys. I never had trouble prior to this, but absolutely no 
>> table within Safari is behaving for me. Am I overlooking something? Could I 
>> have inadvertently made some change that has caused this to occur? I did try 
>> changing web browsers, but I am still not having any luck. I have searched 
>> for items I knew were present in the tables, but again, no luck. I do not 
>> know what else to do. Help please!
>> Christine
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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Pablo Sandoval]

Christina,
The VO equals command seems to collapse tables. This command appears to be a 
toggle so will expand a collapsed table as well.
I believe this command is useful for hiding tables you may not care about.
I hope this helps.

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Oh my gosh! I was having the exact same problem. I could not figure out what 
> was going on.  I tried VO plus the equal sign and all I got was a bonk sound 
> but suddenly I could access a table that I could not before.
> 
> Can you please explain what this vo plus equal sign command is for. I don’t 
> understand it. I tried the keystroke a few more times and Vo just says table 
> interaction required or table interaction not required. I don’t understand 
> this.  In the past, before a few minutes ago and trying the vo plus equal 
> sign, no matter how many times I tried to get voice Over to interact with a 
> table it absolutely would not. VoiceOver would just act as if the table did 
> not exist and I kept having to get sighted assistance. The only reason I knew 
> there was a problem was because I had been to the sight in the past and new 
> something was wrong. All seems to be working now but I would love to 
> understand this command better if possible. Thanks so much!
> 
> Christina
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> The first thing that comes to mind is table intractability. I know it's 
>> probably not the issue, but give it a shot. Hit vo-equals on a webpage and 
>> see if tables start working normally again. If not, hit it again to turn it 
>> back off.
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 13:43, Christine Grassman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The subject says it all. I have tried interacting and not. I have tried 
>>> using the arrow keys. I never had trouble prior to this, but absolutely no 
>>> table within Safari is behaving for me. Am I overlooking something? Could I 
>>> have inadvertently made some change that has caused this to occur? I did 
>>> try changing web browsers, but I am still not having any luck. I have 
>>> searched for items I knew were present in the tables, but again, no luck. I 
>>> do not know what else to do. Help please!
>>> Christine
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Re: Why on earth can I no longer read tables in Safari?

[Alex Hall]

What he said. :) To add to it, the reason it sometimes just bonks is that you 
seem to have to be on a table, or at least a page with tables, at the time. If 
you're not, it may not do anything.
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 19:34, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> Christina,
> The VO equals command seems to collapse tables. This command appears to be a 
> toggle so will expand a collapsed table as well.
> I believe this command is useful for hiding tables you may not care about.
> I hope this helps.
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Christina C. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh my gosh! I was having the exact same problem. I could not figure out what 
>> was going on.  I tried VO plus the equal sign and all I got was a bonk sound 
>> but suddenly I could access a table that I could not before.
>> 
>> Can you please explain what this vo plus equal sign command is for. I don’t 
>> understand it. I tried the keystroke a few more times and Vo just says table 
>> interaction required or table interaction not required. I don’t understand 
>> this.  In the past, before a few minutes ago and trying the vo plus equal 
>> sign, no matter how many times I tried to get voice Over to interact with a 
>> table it absolutely would not. VoiceOver would just act as if the table did 
>> not exist and I kept having to get sighted assistance. The only reason I 
>> knew there was a problem was because I had been to the sight in the past and 
>> new something was wrong. All seems to be working now but I would love to 
>> understand this command better if possible. Thanks so much!
>> 
>> Christina
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The first thing that comes to mind is table intractability. I know it's 
>>> probably not the issue, but give it a shot. Hit vo-equals on a webpage and 
>>> see if tables start working normally again. If not, hit it again to turn it 
>>> back off.
 On Sep 22, 2015, at 13:43, Christine Grassman > wrote:
 
 The subject says it all. I have tried interacting and not. I have tried 
 using the arrow keys. I never had trouble prior to this, but absolutely no 
 table within Safari is behaving for me. Am I overlooking something? Could 
 I have inadvertently made some change that has caused this to occur? I did 
 try changing web browsers, but I am still not having any luck. I have 
 searched for items I knew were present in the tables, but again, no luck. 
 I do not know what else to do. Help please!
 Christine
 
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