RE: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah that came out around the same time as the iPhone 6S etc were released.

 They're only available from Verizon or at  if I'm not mistaken.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

Apple is testing a new, software-based SIM that does not have a physical card 
which the user replaces. Instead, the device manages the phone SIMs internally. 
The mobile providers do not like this option thus fa.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:13, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> Just wondering, 
> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
> built in?
> 
> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
> having a phone built in also. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To me too.
>>>> 
>>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
>>>> by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
>>>> watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
>>>> in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
>>>> little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
>>>> take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>>> 
>>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>>> 
>>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
>>>> pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
>>>> of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
>>>>> Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yup,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>>>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>>>>>> already being treated as a bluetooth spea

RE: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Simon Fogarty]

David,
 Just wondering, 
Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
built in?

They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
having a phone built in also. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
she uses the watch to answer the calls.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
>> routing.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To me too.
>>> 
>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
>>> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. 
>>> So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you 
>>> gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little 
>>> privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those 
>>> off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>> 
>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>> 
>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
>>> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
>>> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>>> 
>>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
>>>> 
>>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yup,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>>>>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>>>>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>>>>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>>>>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>>>>> via bt headset? Not happening.
>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>>>>>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>>>>>> replicate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On De

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[David Chittenden]

Apple is testing a new, software-based SIM that does not have a physical card 
which the user replaces. Instead, the device manages the phone SIMs internally. 
The mobile providers do not like this option thus fa.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:13, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> Just wondering, 
> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
> built in?
> 
> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
> having a phone built in also. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To me too.
>>>> 
>>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
>>>> by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
>>>> watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
>>>> in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
>>>> little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
>>>> take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>>> 
>>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>>> 
>>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
>>>> pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
>>>> of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
>>>>> Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yup,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>>>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>>>>>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>>>>>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>>>>>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>>>>>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In my opinion, its quite an inco

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[David Chittenden]

No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
she uses the watch to answer the calls.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
>> routing.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To me too.
>>> 
>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
>>> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. 
>>> So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you 
>>> gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little 
>>> privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those 
>>> off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>> 
>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>> 
>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
>>> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
>>> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
 On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 So, to me, this is weak sauce.
 
 Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
 session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
 
 Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
 
 
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
> via bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
>>> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Who knows what the next generation of watch is like, as I’m hoping there will 
be more independent features which you can use on the watch without having to 
switch your phone on.  It’s the next thing on my list to get.

Kawal.
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 08:24, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Apple is testing a new, software-based SIM that does not have a physical card 
> which the user replaces. Instead, the device manages the phone SIMs 
> internally. The mobile providers do not like this option thus fa.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:13, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> Just wondering, 
>> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
>> built in?
>> 
>> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
>> having a phone built in also. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
>> 
>> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
>> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
>> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch 
>> when she uses the watch to answer the calls.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a 
>>> bluetooth headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To me too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, 
>>>>> why would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, 
>>>>> just by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on 
>>>>> your watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls 
>>>>> come in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would 
>>>>> like a little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. 
>>>>> Gotta take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your 
>>>>> watch. lol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
>>>>> pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
>>>>> of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>>>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

You do not need a SIM to place calls.  Your watch on the WiFi network can 
initiate a session with your carrier if they support it.

Also, there are some smart watches, the Samsung Gear S2 comes to mind that in 
fact do have sim chips in them and are totally self contained phones.

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:13 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> Just wondering, 
> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
> built in?
> 
> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
> having a phone built in also. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To me too.
>>>> 
>>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
>>>> by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
>>>> watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
>>>> in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
>>>> little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
>>>> take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>>> 
>>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>>> 
>>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
>>>> pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
>>>> of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
>>>>> Really?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yup,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>>>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>>>>>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>>>>>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>>>>>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>>>>>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>>>>>>

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

Just a slight correction, Apple watch OS 2.1 does in fact have calling over 
WiFi support.  You can dial out with out having your phone on or in range and 
also receive calls.

The bluetooth thing is very definitely a problem though.  Multipoint aside 
that’s just weak sauce.

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:06 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 To me too.
 
 When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
 would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
 by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
 watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
 in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
 little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
 take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
 
 Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
 multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
 
 In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
 pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
 of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
> Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>> via bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I 
>>> can replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to 
 a bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set 
 call routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

So, to me, this is weak sauce.

Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?

Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.


> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
> bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>> but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
>>> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
To be honest i never had any luck answering calls on my watch.
I gave it up and do that from the phone.
/A
> 1 jan. 2016 kl. 17:24 skrev Ricardo Walker :
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
> bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>> but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
>>> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

To me too.

When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. So 
if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you gotta 
fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little privacy? And 
Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those off to have any 
hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.

Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.

In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair the 
watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of hearing it 
over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
> from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>> bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>>> but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>>> replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
 bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
 routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Simon Fogarty]

I havec a bluetooth plantronix device paired with both my phone & watchhthere 
is a bluetooth option under settings on thebwatch. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3/01/2016, at 2:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
> from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>> bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>>> but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>>> replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
 bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
 routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[David Chittenden]

My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
routing.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> To me too.
> 
> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. So 
> if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you gotta 
> fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little privacy? 
> And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those off to 
> have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
> 
> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
> 
> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>> 
>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate session 
>> from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
>> 
>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup,
>>> 
>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>>> bt headset? Not happening.
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
 
 Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
 but are not on Watch?
 On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
 I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
 replicate.
 
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
> 
> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
> 
> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
> 
> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
> routing.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> To me too.
>> 
>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
>> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. 
>> So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you 
>> gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little 
>> privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those 
>> off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>> 
>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>> 
>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
>> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
>> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>>> 
>>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
>>> 
>>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Yup,
 
 Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
 limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
 already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
 defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
 relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
 like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
 
 In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
 
 Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
 via bt headset? Not happening.
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
> replicate.
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
>> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>> 
>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>> 
>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>> 
>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Basioli George]

hay scott, i pair my platronics you told me to get with my phone and watch 
every day.  the trick is you need a device that can pair to 2 devices at the 
same time like the plantronics and they automatically switch. thus when the 
watch rings if you answer on the watch it will work
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
> bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>> but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
>>> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

Yup,

Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to the 
watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via bluetooth. I 
had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when placing/receiving 
calls via a mac or iPad for example.

In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.

Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via bt 
headset? Not happening.
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
> but are not on Watch?
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
> replicate.
> 
> > On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
> > bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
> > to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
> >
> > I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
> > routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
> >
> > So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
> > headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
> >
> > Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Ricardo Walker]

Correct,

Thats really the only way to work around this limitation. I did this with my 
Sennheisers.
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> hay scott, i pair my platronics you told me to get with my phone and watch 
> every day.  the trick is you need a device that can pair to 2 devices at the 
> same time like the plantronics and they automatically switch. thus when the 
> watch rings if you answer on the watch it will work
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is already 
>> being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being defaulted to 
>> the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being relayed via 
>> bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off like when 
>> placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch via 
>> bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone, 
>>> but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>>> replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
 bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
 routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
replicate.

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed 
> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
> 
> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
> 
> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
> 
> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Kevin Chao]

Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone,
but are not on Watch?
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:

> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can
> replicate.
>
> > On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a
> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed
> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
> >
> > I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call
> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
> >
> > So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless
> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
> >
> > Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
> >
> > Thanks.
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