Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-15 Thread E.T. 
   Smiles. Perfect read coming right after fixing Windows on the laptop 
yet again so it will install updates. No wonder Microsoft is trying to 
force users to install Windows 10 for free, a sure sign of desperation.


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On 1/15/2016 1:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I reckon it’s personal.  Read this:
https://www.marcozehe.de/2015/08/25/the-switch-back-to-windows-has-been-reverted-quite-some-time-ago-actually/

Poor creature.  Let that be a lesson to all potential Windows-using turncoats. 
:)

OS X is just the least worst.  You’ll just have to use Windows to get Mozilla 
stuff.



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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-15 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
I reckon it’s personal.  Read this:
https://www.marcozehe.de/2015/08/25/the-switch-back-to-windows-has-been-reverted-quite-some-time-ago-actually/

Poor creature.  Let that be a lesson to all potential Windows-using turncoats. 
:)

OS X is just the least worst.  You’ll just have to use Windows to get Mozilla 
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RE: mac and firefox?

2016-01-15 Thread Simon Fogarty 
Hmmm, kind of gets you thinking really,
And I'm both a windows and mac user.



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I reckon it’s personal.  Read this:
https://www.marcozehe.de/2015/08/25/the-switch-back-to-windows-has-been-reverted-quite-some-time-ago-actually/

Poor creature.  Let that be a lesson to all potential Windows-using turncoats. 
:)

OS X is just the least worst.  You’ll just have to use Windows to get Mozilla 
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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-15 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hmmm, kind of gets you thinking really,
> And I'm both a windows and mac user.


I've used almost everything at this point (though some of them only a little):
OS X, Microsoft Windows (only version 7 so far), Linux, Chrome OS, iOS and
Android.

They all have bugs and limitations. In what ways you're affected by those
issues depends on what your needs are and which applications you use.

The more intensively you use a system, the more problems you're likely to
notice - at least in my experience.

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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-14 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Totally agree with E.T here.  Why in God's world! would they think it's not 
worth improving Voiceover support on the mac side of things?  To me, that 
seems totally absurd!


Chris.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: mac and firefox?


   Mozilla is the developer of Firefox and Thunderbird, two of their 
projects. A shame if they do not think Apple is a major player worth 
developing for.


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On 1/13/2016 7:57 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
i spoke to the blind developer that works for firefox and he told me
around a year ago that firefox were not as interested in mac
accessibility because there Focus is predominately windows and smart 
phones.

I need hardly ad that i think this is a load of rubbish.

On 14 Jan 2016, at 11:18 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com
<mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:

Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the
team, it can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So
don't expect the great Firefox to become accessible any time soon.
Yes, you can use Webvisum still, but with the added security risks
associated with enabling unsigned addons all across the board. Why
Firefox, of all companies, are taking this Apple-like lockdown is
beyond me, but ah well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:


I'm backing Chris entirely.
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims
to the contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.
 Not even windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com <http://www.skipinput.com/>
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for
Mac users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone
by the wayside quite some time ago.



!

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blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.
 I think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even
get me started on that rant!

2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio
demo, as no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.

So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

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<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone
able to use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to
install it? I can get to the install page but when I click install
nothing happens.
ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-13 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I think 
they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me started on 
that rant!


2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.


So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

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From: "Maria Chapman" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to 
use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I 
can get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.

ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-13 Thread Devin Prater 
Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the team, it 
can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So don't expect the 
great Firefox to become accessible any time soon. Yes, you can use Webvisum 
still, but with the added security risks associated with enabling unsigned 
addons all across the board. Why Firefox, of all companies, are taking this 
Apple-like lockdown is beyond me, but ah well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> I'm backing Chris entirely.  
> 1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to the 
> contrary not withstanding.
> 
> 2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not even 
> windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
> www.skipinput.com
> is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac users, 
> it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the wayside 
> quite some time ago.
> 
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I think 
>> they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me started on 
>> that rant!
>> 
>> 2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.
>> 
>> 3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
>> successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
>> no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.
>> 
>> So, I'm still not sure.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
>> Subject: mac and firefox?
>> 
>> 
>> HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
>> accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to 
>> use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I 
>> can get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
>> ps:
>> does web Visum work on the iPhone?
>> thanks
>> Maria
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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-13 Thread Ray Foret Jr 
I'm backing Chris entirely.  
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to the 
contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not even 
windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac users, 
it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the wayside quite 
some time ago.



!

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built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> 1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I think 
> they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me started on 
> that rant!
> 
> 2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.
> 
> 3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
> successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
> no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.
> 
> So, I'm still not sure.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
> Subject: mac and firefox?
> 
> 
> HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
> accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to use 
> web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I can 
> get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
> ps:
> does web Visum work on the iPhone?
> thanks
> Maria
> 
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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-13 Thread E.T. 
   Well I loaded Firefox again tonight. When I installed it a couple 
days ago, Voiceover had no idea it was there. I do not know what 
happened but VO was speaking. I did not do much with it as I need to 
work on another project but may go back to it at a kater date.


   I did .look at Preferences. Does not seem to be completely 
accessible. Perhaps Mozilla will finish it.


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On 1/13/2016 4:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

I'm backing Chris entirely.
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to
the contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not
even windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com 
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac
users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the
wayside quite some time ago.



!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I
think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me
started on that rant!

2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio
demo, as no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.

So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman"
>
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able
to use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to
install it? I can get to the install page but when I click install
nothing happens.
ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-13 Thread Michael Marshall 
hey,
i spoke to the blind developer that works for firefox and he told me around a 
year ago that firefox were not as interested in mac accessibility because there 
Focus is predominately windows and smart phones.
I need hardly ad that i think this is a load of rubbish.
> On 14 Jan 2016, at 11:18 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the team, it 
> can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So don't expect the 
> great Firefox to become accessible any time soon. Yes, you can use Webvisum 
> still, but with the added security risks associated with enabling unsigned 
> addons all across the board. Why Firefox, of all companies, are taking this 
> Apple-like lockdown is beyond me, but ah well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm backing Chris entirely.  
>> 1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to the 
>> contrary not withstanding.
>> 
>> 2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not even 
>> windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
>> www.skipinput.com 
>> is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac 
>> users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the 
>> wayside quite some time ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I 
>>> think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me 
>>> started on that rant!
>>> 
>>> 2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.
>>> 
>>> 3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
>>> successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
>>> no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.
>>> 
>>> So, I'm still not sure.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman" >> >
>>> To: >> >
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: mac and firefox?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
>>> accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to 
>>> use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I 
>>> can get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
>>> ps:
>>> does web Visum work on the iPhone?
>>> thanks
>>> Maria
>>> 
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Re: mac and firefox?

2016-01-13 Thread E.T. 
   Mozilla is the developer of Firefox and Thunderbird, two of their 
projects. A shame if they do not think Apple is a major player worth 
developing for.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/13/2016 7:57 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
i spoke to the blind developer that works for firefox and he told me
around a year ago that firefox were not as interested in mac
accessibility because there Focus is predominately windows and smart phones.
I need hardly ad that i think this is a load of rubbish.

On 14 Jan 2016, at 11:18 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:

Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the
team, it can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So
don't expect the great Firefox to become accessible any time soon.
Yes, you can use Webvisum still, but with the added security risks
associated with enabling unsigned addons all across the board. Why
Firefox, of all companies, are taking this Apple-like lockdown is
beyond me, but ah well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:


I'm backing Chris entirely.
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims
to the contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.
 Not even windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com 
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for
Mac users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone
by the wayside quite some time ago.



!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.
 I think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even
get me started on that rant!

2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio
demo, as no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.

So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman"
>
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone
able to use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to
install it? I can get to the install page but when I click install
nothing happens.
ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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