Re: macOS Ventura

[Lorie McCloud]

yes. I’m running that version of Ventura. I have it set so that I don’t have to 
put in my password each time I wake my Mac up or restart it.

> On Apr 26, 2024, at 8:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   To those who are running Ventura, are you running the latest, version 
> 13.6.6? Any issue at login?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[alia robinson]

I was afraid of that, sigh. 

Alia

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:18 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> As with iOS16, looks like many of the voices are now built int the system The 
> ones you can delete have a trash icon by them. 

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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Herbie Allen]

As with iOS16, looks like many of the voices are now built int the system The 
ones you can delete have a trash icon by them. 

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 09:07, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> so am I missing something? how the  do you remove voices you don’t want?! 
> sorry, but I have three versions of some, enhanced premium etc, and I do not 
> want them all, but where you used to just uncheck them and remove I don’t see 
> that option now?
> 
> alia
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t either, considering the fact that today’s voices are of 
>> a Lott better quality, and most of them don’t cost an arm and a leg, as 
>> opposed to back in the day where you either had Eloquence,/Phonex, or 
>> nothing, unless you wanted to pay top dollar for higher quality voices, if 
>> that was even an option depending on ttthat device you were using.
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 8:01 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lol.  Never tried the Zoe voice, but I agree with you about Eloquence.  
>>> That’s the last thing I would want on my Mac!  I never understood why it 
>>> was even asked for.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:00 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I love Ventura. I've been beta testing it since its release back in June. 
 The one thing I love is we finally have the Zoe voice. Zoe premium is 
 awesome. I wish they would bring it back to iOS 16. And Anders, I'm with 
 you. I'll never use Eloquence because I came to the Mac ecosystem to get 
 away from Eloquence. I don't want Voiceover sounding like Jaws for 
 Windblows. But hey, I'm glad the rest of you like it. I'll stick to Zoe 
 premium.
 
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
 Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
 with your contact information and I'll happily add you.
 
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:40 PM, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
> 
> My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate 
> down to 40%.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>>  Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and 
>> this time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh 
>> tried to resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still 
>> highlighted and came back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is 
>> the most odd upgrade I've ever encountered.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, 
>>> that Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no 
>>> longer be in the list.
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  
 wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
 Vo is much snappier.
 I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
 Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish 
 language.
 /A
 
> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
> 
> Hello,
> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so 
> far. My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that 
> voiceover seems to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also 
> noticing improvements in safari as well.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation 
>> group and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am 
>> not having that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO 
>> plus space.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I 
>>> go to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations 
>>> selected. I do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System 
>>> settings is interesting with not having to unlock.

Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[alia robinson]

so am I missing something? how the  do you remove voices you don’t want?! 
sorry, but I have three versions of some, enhanced premium etc, and I do not 
want them all, but where you used to just uncheck them and remove I don’t see 
that option now?

alia
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I don’t either, considering the fact that today’s voices are of a 
> Lott better quality, and most of them don’t cost an arm and a leg, as opposed 
> to back in the day where you either had Eloquence,/Phonex, or nothing, unless 
> you wanted to pay top dollar for higher quality voices, if that was even an 
> option depending on ttthat device you were using.
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 8:01 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol.  Never tried the Zoe voice, but I agree with you about Eloquence.  
>> That’s the last thing I would want on my Mac!  I never understood why it was 
>> even asked for.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:00 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love Ventura. I've been beta testing it since its release back in June. 
>>> The one thing I love is we finally have the Zoe voice. Zoe premium is 
>>> awesome. I wish they would bring it back to iOS 16. And Anders, I'm with 
>>> you. I'll never use Eloquence because I came to the Mac ecosystem to get 
>>> away from Eloquence. I don't want Voiceover sounding like Jaws for 
>>> Windblows. But hey, I'm glad the rest of you like it. I'll stick to Zoe 
>>> premium.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>>> with your contact information and I'll happily add you.
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:40 PM, Herbie Allen >>> > wrote:
 
 My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate down 
 to 40%.
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>  Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and this 
> time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh tried 
> to resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still highlighted and 
> came back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is the most odd 
> upgrade I've ever encountered.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, 
>> that Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no 
>> longer be in the list.
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
>>> Vo is much snappier.
>>> I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
>>> Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish 
>>> language.
>>> /A
>>> 
 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
 
 Hello,
 I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so 
 far. My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that 
 voiceover seems to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also 
 noticing improvements in safari as well.
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  
> wrote:
> 
> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation 
> group and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am 
> not having that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO 
> plus space.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I 
>> go to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations 
>> selected. I do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System 
>> settings is interesting with not having to unlock.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. 
>>> Finally can get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus 
>>> now the Wifi option is cool.
>>> 

Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Jessica Moss]

Personally, I don’t either, considering the fact that today’s voices are of a 
Lott better quality, and most of them don’t cost an arm and a leg, as opposed 
to back in the day where you either had Eloquence,/Phonex, or nothing, unless 
you wanted to pay top dollar for higher quality voices, if that was even an 
option depending on ttthat device you were using.

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 8:01 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lol.  Never tried the Zoe voice, but I agree with you about Eloquence.  
> That’s the last thing I would want on my Mac!  I never understood why it was 
> even asked for.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:00 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I love Ventura. I've been beta testing it since its release back in June. 
>> The one thing I love is we finally have the Zoe voice. Zoe premium is 
>> awesome. I wish they would bring it back to iOS 16. And Anders, I'm with 
>> you. I'll never use Eloquence because I came to the Mac ecosystem to get 
>> away from Eloquence. I don't want Voiceover sounding like Jaws for 
>> Windblows. But hey, I'm glad the rest of you like it. I'll stick to Zoe 
>> premium.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>> with your contact information and I'll happily add you.
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:40 PM, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate down 
>>> to 40%.
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
  Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and this 
 time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh tried 
 to resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still highlighted and 
 came back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is the most odd 
 upgrade I've ever encountered.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
> Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be 
> in the list.
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
>> Vo is much snappier.
>> I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
>> Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so 
>>> far. My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that 
>>> voiceover seems to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also 
>>> noticing improvements in safari as well.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  
 wrote:
 
 Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation 
 group and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am 
 not having that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO 
 plus space.
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  
> wrote:
> 
> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I 
> go to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations 
> selected. I do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings 
> is interesting with not having to unlock.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally 
>> can get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the 
>> Wifi option is cool.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out 
>>> that macOS Ventura is out.
>>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.

Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Lol.  Never tried the Zoe voice, but I agree with you about Eloquence.  That’s 
the last thing I would want on my Mac!  I never understood why it was even 
asked for.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 1:00 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I love Ventura. I've been beta testing it since its release back in June. The 
> one thing I love is we finally have the Zoe voice. Zoe premium is awesome. I 
> wish they would bring it back to iOS 16. And Anders, I'm with you. I'll never 
> use Eloquence because I came to the Mac ecosystem to get away from Eloquence. 
> I don't want Voiceover sounding like Jaws for Windblows. But hey, I'm glad 
> the rest of you like it. I'll stick to Zoe premium.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:40 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate down 
>> to 40%.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and this 
>>> time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh tried 
>>> to resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still highlighted and 
>>> came back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is the most odd 
>>> upgrade I've ever encountered.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
 Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
 Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be 
 in the list.
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
> Vo is much snappier.
> I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
> Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
> /A
> 
>> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so 
>> far. My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover 
>> seems to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing 
>> improvements in safari as well.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation 
>>> group and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not 
>>> having that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus 
>>> space.
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  
 wrote:
 
 Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go 
 to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I 
 do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is 
 interesting with not having to unlock.
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  
> wrote:
> 
> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally 
> can get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the 
> Wifi option is cool.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out 
>> that macOS Ventura is out.
>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
>> Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
>> /A
>> 
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Jessica Moss]

I’m actually finding Apple Music a lot easier to navigate with Ventura than I 
was with previous Operating systems I’ve tried to use it with.  I’m not sure if 
it’s just me however, or if this is in fact the case, butt I’m finding the 
audio to be a lot quieter, and in some cases really flat-sounding on my end.  
Is anyone else noticing this?

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 2:00 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I love Ventura. I've been beta testing it since its release back in June. The 
> one thing I love is we finally have the Zoe voice. Zoe premium is awesome. I 
> wish they would bring it back to iOS 16. And Anders, I'm with you. I'll never 
> use Eloquence because I came to the Mac ecosystem to get away from Eloquence. 
> I don't want Voiceover sounding like Jaws for Windblows. But hey, I'm glad 
> the rest of you like it. I'll stick to Zoe premium.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:40 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate down 
>> to 40%.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and this 
>>> time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh tried 
>>> to resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still highlighted and 
>>> came back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is the most odd 
>>> upgrade I've ever encountered.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
 Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
 Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be 
 in the list.
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
> Vo is much snappier.
> I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
> Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
> /A
> 
>> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so 
>> far. My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover 
>> seems to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing 
>> improvements in safari as well.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation 
>>> group and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not 
>>> having that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus 
>>> space.
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  
 wrote:
 
 Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go 
 to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I 
 do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is 
 interesting with not having to unlock.
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  
> wrote:
> 
> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally 
> can get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the 
> Wifi option is cool.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out 
>> that macOS Ventura is out.
>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[bbsshawn via MacVisionaries]

I love Ventura. I've been beta testing it since its release back in June. The 
one thing I love is we finally have the Zoe voice. Zoe premium is awesome. I 
wish they would bring it back to iOS 16. And Anders, I'm with you. I'll never 
use Eloquence because I came to the Mac ecosystem to get away from Eloquence. I 
don't want Voiceover sounding like Jaws for Windblows. But hey, I'm glad the 
rest of you like it. I'll stick to Zoe premium.

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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:40 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate down to 
> 40%.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and this 
>> time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh tried to 
>> resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still highlighted and came 
>> back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is the most odd upgrade 
>> I've ever encountered.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
>>> Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be 
>>> in the list.
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
 Vo is much snappier.
 I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
 Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
 /A
 
> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
> 
> Hello,
> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so 
> far. My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover 
> seems to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing 
> improvements in safari as well.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group 
>> and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having 
>> that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go 
>>> to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I 
>>> do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is 
>>> interesting with not having to unlock.
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
 
 I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally 
 can get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the 
 Wifi option is cool.
 
 Joe
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
> macOS Ventura is out.
> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
> Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
> /A
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Herbie Allen]

My rates were off too. I use Siri voice 4 and I had to adjust my rate down to 
40%.

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 18:38, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and this 
> time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh tried to 
> resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still highlighted and came 
> back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is the most odd upgrade I've 
> ever encountered.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
>> Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be in 
>> the list.
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
>>> Vo is much snappier.
>>> I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
>>> Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
>>> /A
>>> 
 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
 
 Hello,
 I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so far. 
 My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover seems 
 to be a bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing improvements in 
 safari as well.
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group 
> and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having 
> that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go 
>> to a different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I 
>> do love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting 
>> with not having to unlock.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally 
>>> can get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi 
>>> option is cool.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  
 wrote:
 
 Hi!
 For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
 macOS Ventura is out.
 So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
 My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
 But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
 Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
 /A
 
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Ale is present. But the speaking rate is wacky. I did a restart and 
this time Samantha was speaking as she shoved Alex out the door while eh 
tried to resist. Very strange. Using the rotor, Alex was still 
highlighted and came back. Speaking rate still messed up though. This is 
the most odd upgrade I've ever encountered.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/24/2022 4:17 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be in 
the list.


On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
Vo is much snappier.
I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
/A


24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :

Hello,
I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so far. My 
favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover seems to be a 
bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing improvements in safari as 
well.

Greg Wocher



On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:

Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group and 
interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having that 
issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.


On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love the 
responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not having to 
unlock.


On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:

I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can get 
rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option is cool.

Joe


On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that macOS 
Ventura is out.
So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
/A

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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Herbie Allen]

Yes. They are working fine for me!

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 15:37, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Rogue Amoeba’s web site now says that their apps have updates for Ventura.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
>> different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love 
>> the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not 
>> having to unlock.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can 
>>> get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option 
>>> is cool.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
 macOS Ventura is out.
 So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
 My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
 But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

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Did we lose Alex with the Ventura update?  I noticed after updating, that 
Voiceover defaulted to the Samantha voice, and Alex seems to no longer be in 
the list.

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
> Vo is much snappier.
> I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
> Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
> /A
> 
>> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so far. 
>> My favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover seems to 
>> be a bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing improvements in 
>> safari as well. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group 
>>> and interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having 
>>> that issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to 
 a different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do 
 love the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with 
 not having to unlock.
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can 
> get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi 
> option is cool.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
>> macOS Ventura is out.
>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
>> Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
>> /A
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I haven’t used it much but it seems nice to me.
Vo is much snappier.
I wish they could get us more  tts engines than eloquence.
Eloquence is nothing I care for as it does not have the Swedish language.
/A

> 24 okt. 2022 kl. 21:40 skrev Greg Wocher :
> 
> Hello,
> I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so far. My 
> favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover seems to be 
> a bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing improvements in safari as 
> well. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group and 
>> interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having that 
>> issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
>>> different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love 
>>> the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not 
>>> having to unlock.
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
 
 I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can 
 get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option 
 is cool.
 
 Joe
 
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
> macOS Ventura is out.
> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
> Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
> /A
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

Rogue Amoeba’s web site now says that their apps have updates for Ventura.

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
> different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love the 
> responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not having 
> to unlock.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can get 
>> rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option is 
>> cool.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Ventura is out.
>>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
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>>> /A
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Herbie Allen]

I’ve always been able to VO space on a message without Quick nav. I interact 
with the conversations table, and VO space on the conversation that I want.

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 14:13, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group and 
> interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having that 
> issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
>> different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love 
>> the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not 
>> having to unlock.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can 
>>> get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option 
>>> is cool.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
 macOS Ventura is out.
 So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
 My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
 But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
 Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I just got done updating my 14 inch macbook pro and I am loving it so far. My 
favorite feature is eloquence. I am also noticing that voiceover seems to be a 
bit snappier with this update. I am also noticing improvements in safari as 
well. 

Greg Wocher


> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:13 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group and 
> interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having that 
> issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
>> different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love 
>> the responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not 
>> having to unlock.
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can 
>>> get rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option 
>>> is cool.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that 
 macOS Ventura is out.
 So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
 My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
 But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[joseph hodge]

Strange how are you navigating? For me if I go to the conversation group and 
interact then turn on quicknav just using the arrows I am not having that 
issue. Then when I want to select a message I use VO plus space.

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
> different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love the 
> responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not having 
> to unlock.
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can get 
>> rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option is 
>> cool.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that macOS 
>>> Ventura is out.
>>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[Herbie Allen]

Just updated and I’m already confounded by the messages app. When I go to a 
different conversation, it tells me two conversations selected. I do love the 
responsiveness of of Ventura. System settings is interesting with not having to 
unlock.

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 12:48, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can get 
> rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option is 
> cool.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> For those of you who can update to Ventura I have just found out that macOS 
>> Ventura is out.
>> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
>> My old MacBook Air  can not update as its from 2015.
>> But it has a programUpdate to Monterey 12.6.1.
>> Which I don’t care for as I will try to sell it.
>> /A
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Re: MacOs Ventura is Out.

[joseph hodge]

I just updated and am checking it out now. Loving it so far. Finally can get 
rid of the apple scripts for time and battery plus now the Wifi option is cool.

Joe

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> So i am now updating my new M1 Mac mini.
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