Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Brian Hansen]

I completely wiped the drive and started from scratch.  At this point, the only 
thing that isn’t straight from the factory, is my mail settings, and that I’m 
signed in to iTunes.

Blessings,

Brian

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 12:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So when you say you did a clean install,
> You mean you did eraise the previous installation before reinstalling sierra 
> on your mac?
>  
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>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
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> Subject: Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra
>  
> Could you report this to Accessibility?  I have but It would help to have 
> more of us point this out
> On 28 Oct 2016, at 15:40, Brian Hansen <ozark.bluesma...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:ozark.bluesma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I just did a clean install of Sierra yesterday on my Mac Mini, and lo and 
> behold, now I have the same problem. I've got two login accounts, and it's 
> happening on both of them.
> 
> Blessings,
>  
> Brian
>  
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com 
> <mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because 
> no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts me 
> for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that makes 
> a difference.
>  
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com 
> <mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>  
> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in screen 
> but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log in, I 
> have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then 
> will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular behaviour, 
> and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have experienced this?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Andrew
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RE: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Simon Fogarty]

So when you say you did a clean install,
You mean you did eraise the previous installation before reinstalling sierra on 
your mac?

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Subject: Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

Could you report this to Accessibility?  I have but It would help to have more 
of us point this out
On 28 Oct 2016, at 15:40, Brian Hansen 
<ozark.bluesma...@gmail.com<mailto:ozark.bluesma...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just did a clean install of Sierra yesterday on my Mac Mini, and lo and 
behold, now I have the same problem. I've got two login accounts, and it's 
happening on both of them.
Blessings,

Brian


On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Lamanche 
<ioani...@me.com<mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote:
Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because no 
one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?

Andrew

On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts me 
for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that makes a 
difference.

On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche 
<ioani...@me.com<mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote:

I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.

I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I shut 
down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the log-in 
process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields where I can 
put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a sighted person to 
tell me whether there's a window covering the log in screen but they have told 
me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log in, I have to perform the 
simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then will I hear Voiceover 
say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular behaviour, and I was  wondering 
whether anybody else on the list have experienced this?

Thanks

Andrew

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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Brian Hansen]

I just reported the problem, and I was able to include a screen shot, so 
hopefully they might be able to see what we’re missing.

Blessings,

Brian

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> +1, I’ll file a report now.
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> Could you report this to Accessibility?  I have but It would help to have 
>> more of us point this out
>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 15:40, Brian Hansen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just did a clean install of Sierra yesterday on my Mac Mini, and lo and 
>>> behold, now I have the same problem. I've got two login accounts, and it's 
>>> happening on both of them.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Lamanche >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this 
 because no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
 
 Andrew
> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and 
> prompts me for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure 
> if that makes a difference.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>> 
>> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever 
>> I shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately 
>> start the log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the 
>> right fields where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond. 
>>  I've asked a sighted person to tell me whether there's a window 
>> covering the log in screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In 
>> order to be able to log in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key 
>> with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  
>> This is obviously an irregular behaviour, and I was  wondering whether 
>> anybody else on the list have experienced this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Scott Granados]

+1, I’ll file a report now.

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> Could you report this to Accessibility?  I have but It would help to have 
> more of us point this out
>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 15:40, Brian Hansen > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just did a clean install of Sierra yesterday on my Mac Mini, and lo and 
>> behold, now I have the same problem. I've got two login accounts, and it's 
>> happening on both of them.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Lamanche > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because 
>>> no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts 
 me for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that 
 makes a difference.
 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
> 
> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start 
> the log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right 
> fields where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've 
> asked a sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the 
> log in screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be 
> able to log in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with 
> vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is 
> obviously an irregular behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody 
> else on the list have experienced this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Andrew Lamanche]

Could you report this to Accessibility?  I have but It would help to have more 
of us point this out
> On 28 Oct 2016, at 15:40, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> I just did a clean install of Sierra yesterday on my Mac Mini, and lo and 
> behold, now I have the same problem. I've got two login accounts, and it's 
> happening on both of them.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
> 
>> Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because 
>> no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts 
>>> me for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that 
>>> makes a difference.
>>> 
 On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche > wrote:
 
 I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
 
 I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
 shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start 
 the log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right 
 fields where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've 
 asked a sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the 
 log in screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able 
 to log in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with 
 vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is 
 obviously an irregular behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody 
 else on the list have experienced this?
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Brian Hansen]

I just did a clean install of Sierra yesterday on my Mac Mini, and lo and 
behold, now I have the same problem. I've got two login accounts, and it's 
happening on both of them.

Blessings,

Brian


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because 
> no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts 
>> me for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that 
>> makes a difference.
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>>> 
>>> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
>>> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
>>> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
>>> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
>>> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in 
>>> screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log 
>>> in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only 
>>> then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular 
>>> behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have 
>>> experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I have had this happen. It does not happen every time.  I do not have my 
computer lock upon sleeping, so it has only been 1 or two times when 
restarting.  Unfortunately because it has not been often I can’t point to a 
particular condition that existed at the time.  I would think though that a 
restart would clear any such condition.  I also only restart maybe once a week 
so it will be hard to detect a pattern.  All that to say, no, you are not 
alone, but I don’t have much to add to the search for a solution.

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have, probably, six users on my MBP and I'm not experiencing this.  I have 
> had it happen to me on occasion on numerous iMacs at work in Yosemite, El 
> Capitan and Sierra.  What I've found in those cases, is that the iMac screen 
> has gone to sleep, not the iMac itself, just the display as I've set all our 
> machines to never go to sleep.  So, like you, I just click the mouse or 
> trackpad and I'm good to go.  It seems that when the display goes to sleep, 
> VO gains focus on whatever app is handling the sleepy-time and thus is not 
> focused on the authentication screen.  Clicking on the mouse remedies that 
> for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 13:59, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because 
> no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts 
>> me for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that 
>> makes a difference.
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>>> 
>>> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
>>> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
>>> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
>>> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
>>> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in 
>>> screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log 
>>> in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only 
>>> then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular 
>>> behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have 
>>> experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Andrew Lamanche]

Interesting, Tim.  I'm puzzled why it should happen as I'm logging in having 
previously shut down my mac.  It would not have been asleep.  The same thing 
happens on my late 2010 MacbookAir.  I'm quite spooked by this, and I wonder 
whether I should perform clean installation of Sierra. That's a lot of work for 
possibly no gain.  It's curious that the vo+shift+spacebar click should remedy 
things.  I asked a sighted person to watch the screen.  I was told, that when I 
start my computer, the log in screen appears but the fields where I would 
normally put in my name or password are not highlighted.  Something prevents 
this from happening.  

Andrew
> On 27 Oct 2016, at 21:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have, probably, six users on my MBP and I'm not experiencing this.  I have 
> had it happen to me on occasion on numerous iMacs at work in Yosemite, El 
> Capitan and Sierra.  What I've found in those cases, is that the iMac screen 
> has gone to sleep, not the iMac itself, just the display as I've set all our 
> machines to never go to sleep.  So, like you, I just click the mouse or 
> trackpad and I'm good to go.  It seems that when the display goes to sleep, 
> VO gains focus on whatever app is handling the sleepy-time and thus is not 
> focused on the authentication screen.  Clicking on the mouse remedies that 
> for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 13:59, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because 
> no one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts 
>> me for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that 
>> makes a difference.
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>>> 
>>> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
>>> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
>>> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
>>> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
>>> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in 
>>> screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log 
>>> in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only 
>>> then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular 
>>> behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have 
>>> experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I have, probably, six users on my MBP and I'm not experiencing this.  I have 
had it happen to me on occasion on numerous iMacs at work in Yosemite, El 
Capitan and Sierra.  What I've found in those cases, is that the iMac screen 
has gone to sleep, not the iMac itself, just the display as I've set all our 
machines to never go to sleep.  So, like you, I just click the mouse or 
trackpad and I'm good to go.  It seems that when the display goes to sleep, VO 
gains focus on whatever app is handling the sleepy-time and thus is not focused 
on the authentication screen.  Clicking on the mouse remedies that for me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 27, 2016, at 13:59, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because no 
one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?

Andrew
> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts me 
> for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that makes 
> a difference.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>> 
>> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
>> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
>> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
>> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
>> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in 
>> screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log 
>> in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only 
>> then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular 
>> behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have 
>> experienced this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hm!  I only have one user too.  I am exceedingly worried about this because no 
one else so far has reported it on the list.  Can it be my mac?

Andrew
> On 27 Oct 2016, at 19:39, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts me 
> for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that makes 
> a difference.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
>> 
>> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
>> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
>> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
>> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
>> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in 
>> screen but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log 
>> in, I have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only 
>> then will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular 
>> behaviour, and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have 
>> experienced this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Scott Granados]

I have not noticed this behavior.  Mine boots almost instantly and prompts me 
for my password.  I have only my single user defined, not sure if that makes a 
difference.

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.
> 
> I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I 
> shut down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the 
> log-in process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields 
> where I can put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a 
> sighted person to tell me whether there's a window covering the log in screen 
> but they have told me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log in, I 
> have to perform the simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then 
> will I hear Voiceover say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular behaviour, 
> and I was  wondering whether anybody else on the list have experienced this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Strange behaviour when loging-in in OS Sierra

[Andrew Lamanche]

I've reported this repeatedly to Apple during the testing period.

I have installed latest OS Sierra on my May 2014 Macbook Pro.  Whenever I shut 
down my computer and then boot it again, I can't immediately start the log-in 
process because something prevents VO focusing on the right fields where I can 
put in my credentials.  Vo keys do not respond.  I've asked a sighted person to 
tell me whether there's a window covering the log in screen but they have told 
me that there isn't.  In order to be able to log in, I have to perform the 
simulated mouse key with vo+shift+spacebar.  Only then will I hear Voiceover 
say "Users".  This is obviously an irregular behaviour, and I was  wondering 
whether anybody else on the list have experienced this?

Thanks

Andrew

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