Re: The Resetting of Prams
Hello Les, On 2 Dec 2010, at 04:00, Les Kriegler wrote: A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. You must be using a desktop machine. On all the laptops I've had, I've been able to hold down the Command and Option keys with my left thumb, the R key with my left middle finger, the P key with my right thumb and the Power button with my right middle finger. On a desktop machine, you would have to move the keyboard close to the Power button to be able to do this alone. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? I don't think so. I always hear the chimes. How does one know that it actually worked? Hearing the chimes tells you that it's working and if problems go away that didn't go away with just a restart, then that's more evidence that it's worked. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Hi Ann, I have a laptop. I tried the combination of fingers you suggested. I held down all 5 keys. What I heard as I was holding down the keys was the buzzing sound and the startup sound over and over. I finally let go of the keys and the system booted. I never hear what I would consider to be a chime, just the normal startup sound. So I'm guessing this has not worked yet for me? Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Hello Les, You hold down the Command, Option, R and P keys but just press the Power button once. Sorry I didn't make that clear in the first place. Cheers, Anne On 2 Dec 2010, at 09:34, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, I have a laptop. I tried the combination of fingers you suggested. I held down all 5 keys. What I heard as I was holding down the keys was the buzzing sound and the startup sound over and over. I finally let go of the keys and the system booted. I never hear what I would consider to be a chime, just the normal startup sound. So I'm guessing this has not worked yet for me? Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
I use both hands on the keyboard and stick my big toe on the power button. works for me. smile -Eric On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:01 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Les, On 2 Dec 2010, at 04:00, Les Kriegler wrote: A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. You must be using a desktop machine. On all the laptops I've had, I've been able to hold down the Command and Option keys with my left thumb, the R key with my left middle finger, the P key with my right thumb and the Power button with my right middle finger. On a desktop machine, you would have to move the keyboard close to the Power button to be able to do this alone. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? I don't think so. I always hear the chimes. How does one know that it actually worked? Hearing the chimes tells you that it's working and if problems go away that didn't go away with just a restart, then that's more evidence that it's worked. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Hi, What exactly are prams, and why and how often do you need to reset them? Courtney On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Les, You hold down the Command, Option, R and P keys but just press the Power button once. Sorry I didn't make that clear in the first place. Cheers, Anne On 2 Dec 2010, at 09:34, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, I have a laptop. I tried the combination of fingers you suggested. I held down all 5 keys. What I heard as I was holding down the keys was the buzzing sound and the startup sound over and over. I finally let go of the keys and the system booted. I never hear what I would consider to be a chime, just the normal startup sound. So I'm guessing this has not worked yet for me? Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Les, Imagine trying to do all this on an Air! Or even an MBP! I haven't done it yet. Marlaina On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? How does one know that it actually worked? Thanks. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
I would not worry too much about PRAM's. I have no Apple evidence of the below message, but I can certainly believe it. Though I suppose that Apple might have updated the key sequence some to clear out other nasty issues I don't expect that to be the case. Begin Qote from Tidbits.com discussion in 2009 On Subject of Grey screen and no boot of Macintosh computers (And just FYI, the days of resetting PRAM / NVRAM doing anything useful pretty much died with OS9. These days, about the only thing that lives there is display resolution settings, so zapping the PRAM may be useful for troubleshooting video issues, but it is unlikely to help with anything else. Harmless to try, but meaningless if nothing improves, because nothing really uses it anymore.) -- Chris Devers End Quote On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Les, Imagine trying to do all this on an Air! Or even an MBP! I haven't done it yet. Marlaina On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? How does one know that it actually worked? Thanks. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Hi Marlaina,
Actually, I'm trying to do this on an MBP{ and having no luck. I imagine I'll
get it at some point, though.
Les
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The Resetting of Prams
Hi Ann, A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? How does one know that it actually worked? Thanks. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Sometimes a little scotch tape can help. Tape the command and option keys down first then it's a three finger operation.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? How does one know that it actually worked? Thanks. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Command, option ; I believe this is better then tape and less damaging to your keyboard. Aloha, Charlie Our new book YOU MIGHT BE A MORON is on sale at www.giantdolphin.com click the off the bookshelf link On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote: Sometimes a little scotch tape can help. Tape the command and option keys down first then it's a three finger operation.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? How does one know that it actually worked? Thanks. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The Resetting of Prams
Hi! Also, holding these keys down is fine, as long as it is done just when you hear the startup chime. Keep in mind, there is a startup delay, which means that you can do it within this timeframe. I often just hold down any keys to affect the startup when I hear the chime. Not a second after, but as soon as I hear it. The time between hearing the drive and the startup chime itself is significant enough to actually reach the keys in time. You will need to hold them for a while, however. First, you will hear the regular chime. Keep holding them for a while longer, until you hear your drive again. Don't let go until you hear a second chime, possibly at a much louder volume depending on your volume settings. You may also have to reset some settings in preferences, as some of these are stored in the PRAM. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: Command, option ; I believe this is better then tape and less damaging to your keyboard. Aloha, Charlie Our new book YOU MIGHT BE A MORON is on sale at www.giantdolphin.com click the off the bookshelf link On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote: Sometimes a little scotch tape can help. Tape the command and option keys down first then it's a three finger operation.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Ann, A couple of comments/questions here. First, this is a very difficult keystroke to execute. You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do this. I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key. I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again. Am I executing the reset procedure properly? How does one know that it actually worked? Thanks. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
