RE: Typing on the iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I know it’s been on the android platform for years and sighted folks seem to 
love it.
Not sure about the blind folks.

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Now I really put the cat amongst the pigeons asking this question. I might give 
slide to type another go one day. I think I only got frustrated with it as I 
wasn’t expecting it and I couldn’t correct my text. I usually use dictation 
while doing a text and then I correct it with the virtual keyboard if there are 
any mistakes. Especially embarrassing ones. My wife did tell me about the slide 
to type option, but I didn’t think it would be turned on by default.


On 29/09/2019, at 09:52, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
I don’t think its more difficult than touch-typing.
Its a matter of what you want and what you prefer.
/A


28 sep. 2019 kl. 22:30 skrev Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>>:

Donna,
Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type even 
faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around to 
create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it sounds 
difficult to me.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Now I really put the cat amongst the pigeons asking this question. I might give 
slide to type another go one day. I think I only got frustrated with it as I 
wasn’t expecting it and I couldn’t correct my text. I usually use dictation 
while doing a text and then I correct it with the virtual keyboard if there are 
any mistakes. Especially embarrassing ones. My wife did tell me about the slide 
to type option, but I didn’t think it would be turned on by default.

> On 29/09/2019, at 09:52, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t think its more difficult than touch-typing.
> Its a matter of what you want and what you prefer.
> /A
> 
>> 28 sep. 2019 kl. 22:30 skrev Dave Carlson :
>> 
>> Donna,
>> Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type 
>> even faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around 
>> to create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it 
>> sounds difficult to me.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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RE: Typing on the iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

And it’s something android have been using or have at least had in their OS for 
a few years now.

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Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2019 8:14 AM
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Slide to type will anticipate words as you drag your finger across the 
keyboard. You don’t lift your finger to select the letter, you just continue to 
drag around your desired letters and the word magically occurs. Have not tried 
it yet, but that’s the hype.

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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Glad no insult was taken. :)  

One of the things I find fun about technology is playing around with new 
gadgets and features.  I don't always adopt them, but I'm usually curious 
enough to give them a go if I have the time.  So, when you do try it out, I 
hope you have fun with it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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>   Donna,
> No insult taken. I’m a very experienced iPhone user. Have been using Touch 
> typing for years. I’ll have to give that slide typing a test-drive, in any 
> case since now the gauntlet has been thrown (-*. 
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

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That's it, exactly.
donna

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I don’t think its more difficult than touch-typing.
> Its a matter of what you want and what you prefer.
> /A
> 
>> 28 sep. 2019 kl. 22:30 skrev Dave Carlson :
>> 
>> Donna,
>> Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type 
>> even faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around 
>> to create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it 
>> sounds difficult to me.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

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Hi!
I don’t think its more difficult than touch-typing.
Its a matter of what you want and what you prefer.
/A

> 28 sep. 2019 kl. 22:30 skrev Dave Carlson :
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> Donna,
> Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type 
> even faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around 
> to create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it 
> sounds difficult to me.
> 
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

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Donna,
No insult taken. I’m a very experienced iPhone user. Have been using Touch 
typing for years. I’ll have to give that slide typing a test-drive, in any case 
since now the gauntlet has been thrown (-*. 

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Re: Typing on the iPhone

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Hi Dave,

I know you're new to this list, so not sure how much experience you have on the 
iPhone.  so, apologies in advance if this sounds condescending.

when you've used the iPhone for a while, you develop a pretty good sense for 
where things are, including letters.  I have used slide typing.  I wouldn't say 
I'm super proficient at this point, but it really isn't hard at all.  I've been 
pretty impressed by how often the phone gets the right word.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Donna,
> Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type 
> even faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around 
> to create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it 
> sounds difficult to me.
> 
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

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Slide to type is a bit like FlickType, as both rely on you roughly knowing 
where the letters are on the keyboard, whether you can see them or not. Both 
are fairly forgiving so you don’t need to be very precise. My experience so 
far, anyway!
Harry

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 21:30, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Donna,
> Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type 
> even faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around 
> to create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it 
> sounds difficult to me.
> 
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Donna,
Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type even 
faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around to 
create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it sounds 
difficult to me.

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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

With touch typing, the character is entered when you lift your finger.  With 
touch typing, it's entered when you touch the letter.  I could never make touch 
typing work very well.  You have to have very good aim. :)
Donna

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 2:55 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know what direct touch typing is. I know what touch typing is  but 
>> not the direct touch typing. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 8:50 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean direct touch typing?
>> 
>> Sorry, I don't get your point at all.  With touch typing, you touch the 
>> letters, but you don't slide around the screen.  also, I don't see slide 
>> typing as a sighted thing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 2:04 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me put it to you this way. What is the difference between touch typing 
>> and slide to type?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 9/28/2019 10:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I don't see how you figure that.
>> Donna
>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This slide to type sounds exactly like touch typing. So the slide to type is 
>> the sighted version.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 9/28/2019 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard typing 
>> versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives to make 
>> typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What that looks like 
>> will be different for different people.  If you don't like the slide typing, 
>> then by all means turn it off.  I would just encourage folks to spend some 
>> time trying it out, before just dismissing it out of hand.  It will take 
>> time to get used to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect some of you 
>> will end up liking it quite a lot.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine without 
>> it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty glad 
>> that Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure them 
>> to what we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>   Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,
>>  didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble
>>  through that long list and turn most of them off.
>> 
>>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>  Many believe that we have been visited
>>  in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>  On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For 
>> me anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding 
>> your finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, 
>> otherwise, you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's 
>> no denying that the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to 
>> learn to filter out the noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more 
>> with practice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
>> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would 
>> to get this behavior changed.
>> 
>>  The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
>> You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
>> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@

Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

> I don't know what direct touch typing is. I know what touch typing is  but 
> not the direct touch typing. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 28 Sep 2019, at 8:50 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you mean direct touch typing?
> 
> Sorry, I don't get your point at all.  With touch typing, you touch the 
> letters, but you don't slide around the screen.  also, I don't see slide 
> typing as a sighted thing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 2:04 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Let me put it to you this way. What is the difference between touch typing 
> and slide to type?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/28/2019 10:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I don't see how you figure that.
> Donna
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  This slide to type sounds exactly like touch typing. So the slide to type is 
> the sighted version.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/28/2019 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard typing 
> versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives to make 
> typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What that looks like will 
> be different for different people.  If you don't like the slide typing, then 
> by all means turn it off.  I would just encourage folks to spend some time 
> trying it out, before just dismissing it out of hand.  It will take time to 
> get used to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect some of you will end 
> up liking it quite a lot.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine without 
> it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty glad that 
> Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure them to 
> what we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,
>   didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble
>   through that long list and turn most of them off.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>   Many believe that we have been visited
>   in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>   On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For me 
> anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding your 
> finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, 
> you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying 
> that the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter 
> out the noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> 
>   Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
> get this behavior changed.
> 
>   The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
> You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> Hi all,
> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. 
> I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know 
> there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the 
> virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while 

Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Do you mean direct touch typing?

Sorry, I don't get your point at all.  With touch typing, you touch the 
letters, but you don't slide around the screen.  also, I don't see slide typing 
as a sighted thing.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 28, 2019, at 2:04 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Let me put it to you this way. What is the difference between touch typing 
> and slide to type?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/28/2019 10:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I don't see how you figure that.
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This slide to type sounds exactly like touch typing. So the slide to type 
>>> is the sighted version.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/2019 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard typing 
>>>> versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives to 
>>>> make typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What that looks 
>>>> like will be different for different people.  If you don't like the slide 
>>>> typing, then by all means turn it off.  I would just encourage folks to 
>>>> spend some time trying it out, before just dismissing it out of hand.  It 
>>>> will take time to get used to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect 
>>>> some of you will end up liking it quite a lot.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine 
>>>>> without it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be 
>>>>> pretty glad that Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even 
>>>>> configure them to what we need, because users of other platforms... 
>>>>> aren't so lucky, lol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,
>>>>>didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble
>>>>>through that long list and turn most of them off.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>>On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted 
>>>>> users.  For me anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get 
>>>>> while sliding your finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that 
>>>>> feedback, otherwise, you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or 
>>>>> not.  There's no denying that the slide typing takes some getting used 
>>>>> to--you have to learn to filter out the noise--but I do find I'm liking 
>>>>> it more and more with practice.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> > >> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we 
>>>>> need much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille 
>>>>> display. Would to get this behavior changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover 
>>>>> Haptic Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items 
>>>>> to turn off 

Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

> Well I have tried slide to type and it kept putting words in it. My braille 
> display was very slow. After someone on this list said that their braille 
> display was slow, I turned the rota to touch typing and now the display is 
> responsive again. I can Braille faster than touch type although I am a touch 
> typist, but it's different when you don't have any tactile buttons like a 
> computer or manual type writer. I know what I mean but it's hard to describe 
> what I am trying to say. I don't have the words. I wanted to try slide typing 
> but my Braille display was awful as the routing buttons would not even  
> respond.

Kawal.
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 28 Sep 2019, at 8:14 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Slide to type will anticipate words as you drag your finger across the 
> keyboard. You don’t lift your finger to select the letter, you just continue 
> to drag around your desired letters and the word magically occurs. Have not 
> tried it yet, but that’s the hype.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Slide to type will anticipate words as you drag your finger across the 
keyboard. You don’t lift your finger to select the letter, you just continue to 
drag around your desired letters and the word magically occurs. Have not tried 
it yet, but that’s the hype.

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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Let me put it to you this way. What is the difference between touch 
typing and slide to type?


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On 9/28/2019 10:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I don't see how you figure that.
Donna



On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   This slide to type sounds exactly like touch typing. So the slide to type is 
the sighted version.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/28/2019 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard typing 
versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives to make 
typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What that looks like will 
be different for different people.  If you don't like the slide typing, then by 
all means turn it off.  I would just encourage folks to spend some time trying 
it out, before just dismissing it out of hand.  It will take time to get used 
to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect some of you will end up liking 
it quite a lot.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine without it 
for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty glad that 
Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure them to what 
we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor



On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

 Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,
didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble
through that long list and turn most of them off.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  
For me anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding 
your finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, 
you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying that 
the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter out the 
noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> > >> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
wrote:
>>
>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need 
much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
get this behavior changed.
>>
>>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app 
on the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have the 
typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there must be a 
setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a 
bluetooth one.
>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Robin]

TouchTypin isn't Broke for me
&
if it Ain't Broke, then  I don't think  I need to Fix it
as
I'm Content with Typin the Way it is

There's No Need  for me to Explore New Wayz, as 
My Schedule doesn't permit that Type of Time to 
do so, but if you've got the Time, then WhatEver Floats your boat


At 05:04 AM 9/28/2019, you wrote:
We have always had different ways of typing on 
the iPhone, standard typing versus touch typing 
and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives 
to make typing on the device as fast and easy as 
possible.  What that looks like will be 
different for different people.  If you don't 
like the slide typing, then by all means turn it 
off.  I would just encourage folks to spend some 
time trying it out, before just dismissing it 
out of hand.  It will take time to get used 
to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect 
some of you will end up liking it quite a lot.

Cheers,
Donna


On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via 
MacVisionaries 
<<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:


That's like saying we should go back to DOS 
because we managed fine without it for a decade 
or two. New features will come, we should be 
pretty glad that Apple even gives us the chance 
to turn them off or even configure them to what 
we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.


Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor



On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' 
via MacVisionaries" 
<<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:



Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,

didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble

through that long list and turn most of them off.


 From E.T.'s Keyboard...

<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Many believe that we have been visited

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On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I think that slide typing is probably a good 
thing for sighted users.  For me anyway, what 
makes it distracting is all the input you get 
while sliding your finger around.  But I 
suppose VO has to give you that feedback, 
otherwise, you wouldn't know if it was on the 
right track or not.  There's no denying that 
the slide typing takes some getting used 
to--you have to learn to filter out the 
noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.


> Cheers,

> Donna

>

>

>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

>>

>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying 
things. One it thinks we need much more help 
when entering text. It is the same with a 
braille display. Would to get this behavior changed.


>>

>>The other one is overactive haptics. 
It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. You can 
turn this off completely, or choose what items 
to turn off individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.


>>

>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>ancient.ali...@icloud.com

>> Many believe that we have been visited

>> in the past. What if it were true?

>>

>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

>>> Hi all,

>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 
I can’t type in my messages app on the phone 
without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my 
finger on a letter for a couple of seconds it 
will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
characters. I have the typing mode set too 
touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I 
know there must be a setting I can change 
somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the 
virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.


>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more 
while I’m flicking around the screen and 
haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.


>>> Thanks in advance,

>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I don't see how you figure that.
Donna


> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   This slide to type sounds exactly like touch typing. So the slide to type 
> is the sighted version.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/28/2019 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard typing 
>> versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives to make 
>> typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What that looks like 
>> will be different for different people.  If you don't like the slide typing, 
>> then by all means turn it off.  I would just encourage folks to spend some 
>> time trying it out, before just dismissing it out of hand.  It will take 
>> time to get used to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect some of you 
>> will end up liking it quite a lot.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine without 
>>> it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty glad 
>>> that Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure them 
>>> to what we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,
>>>didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble
>>>through that long list and turn most of them off.
>>> 
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>Many believe that we have been visited
>>>in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  
>>> For me anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while 
>>> sliding your finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that 
>>> feedback, otherwise, you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not. 
>>>  There's no denying that the slide typing takes some getting used to--you 
>>> have to learn to filter out the noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and 
>>> more with practice.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> > >> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we 
>>> need much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille 
>>> display. Would to get this behavior changed.
>>>>>
>>>>>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
>>> Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn 
>>> off individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages 
>>> app on the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a 
>>> letter for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
>>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had 
>>> it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. 
>>> Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
>>>>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around 
>>> the screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>>>>>> Thank

Re: Typing on the iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   This slide to type sounds exactly like touch typing. So the slide to 
type is the sighted version.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/28/2019 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard 
typing versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently 
strives to make typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What 
that looks like will be different for different people.  If you don't 
like the slide typing, then by all means turn it off.  I would just 
encourage folks to spend some time trying it out, before just dismissing 
it out of hand.  It will take time to get used to.  But if people 
practice with it, I suspect some of you will end up liking it quite a lot.

Cheers,
Donna


On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine 
without it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be 
pretty glad that Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or 
even configure them to what we need, because users of other 
platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.


Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor



On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


 Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years,
didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble
through that long list and turn most of them off.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  
For me anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding 
your finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, 
you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying that 
the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter out the 
noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

>>
>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need 
much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
get this behavior changed.
>>
>>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app 
on the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have the 
typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there must be a 
setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a 
bluetooth one.
>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

We have always had different ways of typing on the iPhone, standard typing 
versus touch typing and so on..  I think Apple consistently strives to make 
typing on the device as fast and easy as possible.  What that looks like will 
be different for different people.  If you don't like the slide typing, then by 
all means turn it off.  I would just encourage folks to spend some time trying 
it out, before just dismissing it out of hand.  It will take time to get used 
to.  But if people practice with it, I suspect some of you will end up liking 
it quite a lot. 
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:05 AM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine without 
> it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty glad that 
> Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure them to 
> what we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol.
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years, 
> didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble 
> through that long list and turn most of them off.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For 
> > me anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding 
> > your finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, 
> > otherwise, you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's 
> > no denying that the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to 
> > learn to filter out the noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more 
> > with practice.
> > Cheers,
> > Donna
> > 
> > 
> >> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> >>
> >>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need 
> >> much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. 
> >> Would to get this behavior changed.
> >>
> >>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
> >> Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn 
> >> off individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
> >>
> >>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> Many believe that we have been visited
> >> in the past. What if it were true?
> >>
> >> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app 
> >>> on the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a 
> >>> letter for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
> >>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always 
> >>> had it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix 
> >>> this. Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
> >>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
> >>> screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Petrus Tuerlings]

It worked for me perfectly, very grateful to Lois for that suggestion.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 28/09/2019, at 21:58, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> That was done weeks ago and it hasn’t gone away at least I still keep getting 
> it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2019 9:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Typing on the iPhone
>  
> Hi Simon,
>  
> If you go into settings, to keyboards, and turn off slide to type, the 
> problem will go away.
>  
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Petrus I get this also
>  
> I find that going back and deleting the overkill and then carefully retyping 
> works.
>  
> I’ve not found a keyboard setting to correct this yet.
>  
> As for the haptic feedback,
> Any chance you have like a haptic setting set to something higher than it 
> needs to be.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2019 11:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Typing on the iPhone
>  
> Hi, you will want to go into keyboard in settings and turn off the slide to 
> type. I had the same problem it will help a lot.
>  
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. 
> I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know 
> there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the 
> virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one. 
> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
> and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
> Thanks in advance,
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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RE: Typing on the iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

That was done weeks ago and it hasn’t gone away at least I still keep getting 
it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2019 9:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing on the iPhone

Hi Simon,

If you go into settings, to keyboards, and turn off slide to type, the problem 
will go away.

Take care,
Lois
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Petrus I get this also

I find that going back and deleting the overkill and then carefully retyping 
works.

I’ve not found a keyboard setting to correct this yet.

As for the haptic feedback,
Any chance you have like a haptic setting set to something higher than it needs 
to be.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2019 11:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Typing on the iPhone

Hi, you will want to go into keyboard in settings and turn off the slide to 
type. I had the same problem it will help a lot.

Take care,
Lois
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on the 
phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have 
the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there 
must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual 
keyboard not a bluetooth one.
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
Thanks in advance,
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi Simon,

If you go into settings, to keyboards, and turn off slide to type, the problem 
will go away.

Take care,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Petrus I get this also
>  
> I find that going back and deleting the overkill and then carefully retyping 
> works.
>  
> I’ve not found a keyboard setting to correct this yet.
>  
> As for the haptic feedback,
> Any chance you have like a haptic setting set to something higher than it 
> needs to be.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2019 11:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Typing on the iPhone
>  
> Hi, you will want to go into keyboard in settings and turn off the slide to 
> type. I had the same problem it will help a lot.
>  
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. 
> I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know 
> there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the 
> virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one. 
> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
> and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
> Thanks in advance,
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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RE: Typing on the iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

Petrus I get this also

I find that going back and deleting the overkill and then carefully retyping 
works.

I’ve not found a keyboard setting to correct this yet.

As for the haptic feedback,
Any chance you have like a haptic setting set to something higher than it needs 
to be.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2019 11:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing on the iPhone

Hi, you will want to go into keyboard in settings and turn off the slide to 
type. I had the same problem it will help a lot.

Take care,
Lois
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Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on the 
phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have 
the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there 
must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual 
keyboard not a bluetooth one.
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[d.prater via MacVisionaries]

  
  
  

That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine 
without it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty 
glad that Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure 
them to what we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol. 



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Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years, 
didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble 
through that long list and turn most of them off.

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On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For me 
> anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding your 
> finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, 
> you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying 
> that the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter 
> out the noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
>>
>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
>> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would 
>> to get this behavior changed.
>>
>>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
>> Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
>> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>>
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>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
>>> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
>>> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
>>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had 
>>> it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. 
>>> Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
>>> screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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   Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years, 
didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble 
through that long list and turn most of them off.


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On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For me 
anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding your 
finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, you 
wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying that the 
slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter out the 
noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
Cheers,
Donna



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 wrote:

   Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
get this behavior changed.

   The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.

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On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on the 
phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have 
the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there 
must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual 
keyboard not a bluetooth one.
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For me 
anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding your 
finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, you 
wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying that the 
slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter out the 
noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
Cheers,
Donna


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>  wrote:
> 
>   Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
> get this behavior changed.
> 
>   The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
> You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
> 
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> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
>> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
>> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had 
>> it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. 
>> Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
>> screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Thanks for the confirmation, Petrus, Since do want limited haptic 
feedback, I need to spend some time doing it, thee is a long list of items.


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On 9/27/2019 5:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Thanks Lois and ET,
I’ve fixed the sliding type and I’ll look at the other settings later.

On 28/09/2019, at 11:36, Agent086b > wrote:


Hi,
it is my understanding that sited people find slide to type much 
quicker for them.

As a total I hated it.
Max.

On 28 Sep 2019, at 9:14 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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 Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need 
much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille 
display. Would to get this behavior changed.


 The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to 
turn off individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.


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Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages 
app on the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my 
finger on a letter for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert 
lots of  unwanted characters. I have the typing mode set too touch 
typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there must be a setting I 
can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard 
not a bluetooth one.
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around 
the screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks Lois and ET,
I’ve fixed the sliding type and I’ll look at the other settings later. 

> On 28/09/2019, at 11:36, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> it is my understanding that sited people find slide to type much quicker for 
> them.
> As a total I hated it.
> Max.
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 9:14 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
>> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would 
>> to get this behavior changed.
>> 
>>  The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
>> You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
>> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
>>> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
>>> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
>>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had 
>>> it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. 
>>> Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
>>> screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Doesn't sound much different from touch typing but having turned off 
the slide to type seems to make typing with the braille display better.


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On 9/27/2019 4:36 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Hi,
it is my understanding that sited people find slide to type much quicker for 
them.
As a total I hated it.
Max.


On 28 Sep 2019, at 9:14 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
get this behavior changed.

   The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.

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On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on the 
phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have 
the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there 
must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual 
keyboard not a bluetooth one.
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Agent086b]

Hi,
it is my understanding that sited people find slide to type much quicker for 
them.
As a total I hated it.
Max.

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 9:14 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would to 
> get this behavior changed.
> 
>   The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic Feedback. 
> You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
>> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
>> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had 
>> it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. 
>> Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
>> screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi, you will want to go into keyboard in settings and turn off the slide to 
type. I had the same problem it will help a lot.

Take care,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. 
> I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know 
> there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the 
> virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one. 
> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
> and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need 
much more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille 
display. Would to get this behavior changed.


   The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn 
off individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.


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On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app 
on the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a 
letter for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always 
had it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix 
this. Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.

Thanks in advance,
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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Typing on the iPhone

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on the 
phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter for a 
couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted characters. I have 
the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had it, and I know there 
must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. Oh, I’m using the virtual 
keyboard not a bluetooth one. 
Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the screen 
and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
Thanks in advance,
Sent from Petrus' MacBook 

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RE: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Simon Fogarty]

Dam, I wish had seen this msg yesterday when I was hunting for the call end
button.

 

I've gotta find a good iphone accessibility tutorial.

Has anyone got one on line that I missed the posting alert of, that they can
point me towards 

 

Thanks 

 

simon

 

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 6:16 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

 

I found that my double-tap wasn't very accurate. I often ended up double
tapping a nearby key or tapping once on one key and the second on another
key. The 'split tap' seemed to work much better.

Another thing that has worked well is the flick left and right through
elements on the screen. For example, in Safari to the right of the URL entry
is a very small clear button. It was hard to impossible to tap it to clear
out the URL and type in a new one. With focus in the URL field a single
flick right brought focus to the clear button and then a double-tap would
clear out the entry field. Much easier that way.

Oh, one other gesture I didn't know about initially. Doing a two-finger
double tap when the phone rings will answer it while a two-finger double tap
during a call will hang up. Much easier that trying to hunt for the answer
and end call buttons.

CB

william lomas wrote: 

a friend of mine said he can find a key and tap it twice once he has  
found it to insert it
 
On 20 Jul 2009, at 22:44, Ryan Mann wrote:
 
  

Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac?  It seems like it
would be since you're just using two fingers.
 
On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
 


I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left
side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand
or
vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with
another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone  
apps
are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or
form
fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps
predate VO on the iPhone.
 
CB
 
Simon Fogarty wrote:
  

I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap
the screen
with another and the character is typed to the screen.
 
I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.
 
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
To: Mac visionaries
Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
 
 
Hi everyone,
 
How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when
they
can't see the screen? How is it achieved?
 
Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it
usable?
 
Thank you for any info.
 
Take care
 
James
 
 
 
 


 


 
 
 
  



 


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Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Chris Blouch]

Umm, yes, much slower on the iPhone. On the mac I have a full-size 
keyboard with no need to double tap or anything. Not sure that means 
much though.

CB

Ryan Mann wrote:
 Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac?  It seems like it  
 would be since you're just using two fingers.

 On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

   
 I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left
 side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand  
 or
 vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with
 another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone apps
 are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or  
 form
 fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps
 predate VO on the iPhone.

 CB

 Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
 You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap  
 the screen
 with another and the character is typed to the screen.

 I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
 Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
 To: Mac visionaries
 Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS


 Hi everyone,

 How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when  
 they
 can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

 Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it  
 usable?

 Thank you for any info.

 Take care

 James




   


 
   

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Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Chris Blouch]

I found that my double-tap wasn't very accurate. I often ended up double 
tapping a nearby key or tapping once on one key and the second on 
another key. The 'split tap' seemed to work much better.

Another thing that has worked well is the flick left and right through 
elements on the screen. For example, in Safari to the right of the URL 
entry is a very small clear button. It was hard to impossible to tap it 
to clear out the URL and type in a new one. With focus in the URL field 
a single flick right brought focus to the clear button and then a 
double-tap would clear out the entry field. Much easier that way.

Oh, one other gesture I didn't know about initially. Doing a two-finger 
double tap when the phone rings will answer it while a two-finger double 
tap during a call will hang up. Much easier that trying to hunt for the 
answer and end call buttons.

CB

william lomas wrote:
 a friend of mine said he can find a key and tap it twice once he has  
 found it to insert it

 On 20 Jul 2009, at 22:44, Ryan Mann wrote:

   
 Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac?  It seems like it
 would be since you're just using two fingers.

 On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

 
 I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left
 side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand
 or
 vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with
 another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone  
 apps
 are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or
 form
 fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps
 predate VO on the iPhone.

 CB

 Simon Fogarty wrote:
   
 I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
 You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap
 the screen
 with another and the character is typed to the screen.

 I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
 Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
 To: Mac visionaries
 Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS


 Hi everyone,

 How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when
 they
 can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

 Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it
 usable?

 Thank you for any info.

 Take care

 James




 
 


 
   

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Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[william lomas]

a friend of mine said he can find a key and tap it twice once he has  
found it to insert it

On 20 Jul 2009, at 22:44, Ryan Mann wrote:


 Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac?  It seems like it
 would be since you're just using two fingers.

 On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


 I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left
 side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand
 or
 vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with
 another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone  
 apps
 are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or
 form
 fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps
 predate VO on the iPhone.

 CB

 Simon Fogarty wrote:
 I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
 You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap
 the screen
 with another and the character is typed to the screen.

 I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
 Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
 To: Mac visionaries
 Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS


 Hi everyone,

 How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when
 they
 can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

 Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it
 usable?

 Thank you for any info.

 Take care

 James










 


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Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Chris Blouch]

I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left 
side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand or 
vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with 
another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone apps 
are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or form 
fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps 
predate VO on the iPhone.

CB

Simon Fogarty wrote:
 I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
  You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap the screen
 with another and the character is typed to the screen.

  I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
 Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
 To: Mac visionaries
 Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS


 Hi everyone,

 How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they 
 can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

 Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable?

 Thank you for any info.

 Take care

 James 




 
   

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Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Ryan Mann]

Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac?  It seems like it  
would be since you're just using two fingers.

On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


 I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left
 side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand  
 or
 vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with
 another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone apps
 are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or  
 form
 fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps
 predate VO on the iPhone.

 CB

 Simon Fogarty wrote:
 I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
 You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap  
 the screen
 with another and the character is typed to the screen.

 I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
 Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
 To: Mac visionaries
 Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS


 Hi everyone,

 How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when  
 they
 can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

 Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it  
 usable?

 Thank you for any info.

 Take care

 James







 


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RE: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Simon Fogarty]

I haven't tried the gps  but the typing feature got me for a start.
 You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap the screen
with another and the character is typed to the screen.

 I found it really easy after got the fingers working together.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James  Nash
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m.
To: Mac visionaries
Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS


Hi everyone,

How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they 
can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable?

Thank you for any info.

Take care

James 




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Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[James Nash]

Hi everyone,

How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they 
can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable?

Thank you for any info.

Take care

James 


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Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS

[Scott Chesworth]

Might be worth you taking a read of the thread entitled iPhone
accessibility James.  There's been 19 messages in the last day or so
all around these same questions.  There's also been more than a few
podcasts and demos and suchlike, might be worth having a quick poke in
the list archives for those or subscribing to an actual iPhone access
list to keep on top of new ones.

hth

On 7/18/09, James  Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they
 can't see the screen? How is it achieved?

 Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable?

 Thank you for any info.

 Take care

 James


 


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