Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
I end up hitting the reset button, followed quickly by a power plug removal. then plug it back in and restart. I have an older model iMac (intel) that seems to have this problem in both 10.5 and 10.6 series OS'es. fortunately, its not as common in 10.6. now if I could just get voiceover to stop crashing. -Eric On Jan 16, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > 15 jan 2011 kl. 20.51 skrev Eric Oyen: > >> its a driver issue where the drive controller is instructed to park and shut >> down. the only way I have found to resolve it is a full reboot by a not so >> friendly unplug and then power on and boot. this forces the on board >> controller to reset back into proper operation. > > Hmm ok, so you say i should turn off the computer, take the power plug out > then put it back in and restart? I ask this so that i can verify that we're > talking about the same operation. > /Krister > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
15 jan 2011 kl. 20.51 skrev Eric Oyen: > its a driver issue where the drive controller is instructed to park and shut > down. the only way I have found to resolve it is a full reboot by a not so > friendly unplug and then power on and boot. this forces the on board > controller to reset back into proper operation. Hmm ok, so you say i should turn off the computer, take the power plug out then put it back in and restart? I ask this so that i can verify that we're talking about the same operation. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
Hi, i'll try to answer your questions in their context below: 15 jan 2011 kl. 19.01 skrev Ben Mustill-Rose: > Are you sure that the drive is actually spinning down? How functional > is the rest of the os? I'm sure because the motor stops and so does the reading/writing apparently. Furthermore nothing can be done to the OS you can't get out of programs, the whole thing has locked up, the only thing i possibly can do is to reboot. > Would it be possible to put the drive in a usb enclosure, boot to osx, > use it for a couple of days like that and see how well things work? > Have you looked at smart info for the drive and if so, how healthy is it? > No on both questions and i don't even know how you do to access "smart info" and if i could understand it should i access it. I would be greatful for info on what to look for and how to do that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
When ever I've scene logic board failiers on drives it's usually been no power at all, but hey, who knows. The reason I suggested using usb was so that we could rule out the motherboard and so that if the os was for some very strange reason sending ata commands to power the drive down it wouldn't be able to since you can't do that over usb. At any rate, storage is really cheap these days, so if you don't mind playing with internals, you could just put a new drive in there and see what happens. Chances are it'll be a 5400RPM drive in there atm, so you will see a performance boost if you go up to a 7200. On 15/01/2011, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Does this happen on certain macs, I haven't seen it at all with the 3 that I > have. > On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> its not the Hard Disk, per se'. its a driver issue where the drive >> controller is instructed to park and shut down. the only way I have found >> to resolve it is a full reboot by a not so friendly unplug and then power >> on and boot. this forces the on board controller to reset back into proper >> operation. note: a soft boot won't work as the controller state will be >> maintained across the warm reboot. >> >> -Eric >> >> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Hi folks. >>> I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything >>> about it as of yet, however it makes me curious. >>> I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the >>> music died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard >>> drive to just die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of >>> getting it back to life again short of rebooting. What could cause the >>> hard drive to do this? This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get >>> files. Can you strain a hard drive too much? It's not a question of >>> energy saving either since i have the hard drives set to not shut down at >>> all. I'm at a loss as what to do here and i don't want to take the >>> machine to an Apple store since i don't have an AppleCare plan for it. >>> Thanks for any help. >>> /Krister >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
Does this happen on certain macs, I haven't seen it at all with the 3 that I have. On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > its not the Hard Disk, per se'. its a driver issue where the drive controller > is instructed to park and shut down. the only way I have found to resolve it > is a full reboot by a not so friendly unplug and then power on and boot. this > forces the on board controller to reset back into proper operation. note: a > soft boot won't work as the controller state will be maintained across the > warm reboot. > > -Eric > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Hi folks. >> I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything >> about it as of yet, however it makes me curious. >> I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the music >> died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard drive to >> just die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of getting it back >> to life again short of rebooting. What could cause the hard drive to do >> this? This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get files. Can you >> strain a hard drive too much? It's not a question of energy saving either >> since i have the hard drives set to not shut down at all. I'm at a loss as >> what to do here and i don't want to take the machine to an Apple store since >> i don't have an AppleCare plan for it. >> Thanks for any help. >> /Krister >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
Not necessarily a Mother board. There is a logic board within the HD itself that is most likely the culprit here. I would do as Eric suggested but maintain a good backup routine as these symptoms could be the lead-up to bigger problems with the drive. Later... On 2011-01-15, at 1:22 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > So if this can't be addressed by a new driver, it's sounding more like > a motherboard fault? > > On 15/01/2011, Eric Oyen wrote: >> its not the Hard Disk, per se'. its a driver issue where the drive >> controller is instructed to park and shut down. the only way I have found to >> resolve it is a full reboot by a not so friendly unplug and then power on >> and boot. this forces the on board controller to reset back into proper >> operation. note: a soft boot won't work as the controller state will be >> maintained across the warm reboot. >> >> -Eric >> >> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Hi folks. >>> I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything >>> about it as of yet, however it makes me curious. >>> I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the >>> music died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard >>> drive to just die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of >>> getting it back to life again short of rebooting. What could cause the >>> hard drive to do this? This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get >>> files. Can you strain a hard drive too much? It's not a question of energy >>> saving either since i have the hard drives set to not shut down at all. >>> I'm at a loss as what to do here and i don't want to take the machine to >>> an Apple store since i don't have an AppleCare plan for it. >>> Thanks for any help. >>> /Krister >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
So if this can't be addressed by a new driver, it's sounding more like a motherboard fault? On 15/01/2011, Eric Oyen wrote: > its not the Hard Disk, per se'. its a driver issue where the drive > controller is instructed to park and shut down. the only way I have found to > resolve it is a full reboot by a not so friendly unplug and then power on > and boot. this forces the on board controller to reset back into proper > operation. note: a soft boot won't work as the controller state will be > maintained across the warm reboot. > > -Eric > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Hi folks. >> I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything >> about it as of yet, however it makes me curious. >> I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the >> music died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard >> drive to just die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of >> getting it back to life again short of rebooting. What could cause the >> hard drive to do this? This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get >> files. Can you strain a hard drive too much? It's not a question of energy >> saving either since i have the hard drives set to not shut down at all. >> I'm at a loss as what to do here and i don't want to take the machine to >> an Apple store since i don't have an AppleCare plan for it. >> Thanks for any help. >> /Krister >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
its not the Hard Disk, per se'. its a driver issue where the drive controller is instructed to park and shut down. the only way I have found to resolve it is a full reboot by a not so friendly unplug and then power on and boot. this forces the on board controller to reset back into proper operation. note: a soft boot won't work as the controller state will be maintained across the warm reboot. -Eric On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi folks. > I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything about > it as of yet, however it makes me curious. > I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the music > died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard drive to just > die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of getting it back to > life again short of rebooting. What could cause the hard drive to do this? > This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get files. Can you strain a > hard drive too much? It's not a question of energy saving either since i have > the hard drives set to not shut down at all. I'm at a loss as what to do here > and i don't want to take the machine to an Apple store since i don't have an > AppleCare plan for it. > Thanks for any help. > /Krister > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
What an interesting problem! First of all, I'd make sure that you have a complete backup of everything just incase. It seems like the drive is malfunctioning on both reads and writes, but it's not like using torrents or opening music in itunes is putting a large amount of strain on the drive, surely booting would stress the thing more? Are you sure that the drive is actually spinning down? How functional is the rest of the os? Would it be possible to put the drive in a usb enclosure, boot to osx, use it for a couple of days like that and see how well things work? Have you looked at smart info for the drive and if so, how healthy is it? On 15/01/2011, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi folks. > I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything > about it as of yet, however it makes me curious. > I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the music > died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard drive to > just die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of getting it back > to life again short of rebooting. What could cause the hard drive to do > this? This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get files. Can you > strain a hard drive too much? It's not a question of energy saving either > since i have the hard drives set to not shut down at all. I'm at a loss as > what to do here and i don't want to take the machine to an Apple store since > i don't have an AppleCare plan for it. > Thanks for any help. > /Krister > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
What could make an internal hard drive suddenly decide to die?
Hi folks. I have had this problem a little while now, but i haven't done anything about it as of yet, however it makes me curious. I was listening to some good music in ITunes when all of a sudden the music died, it turned out that something had caused the internal hard drive to just die, the motor had stopped and i don't know of a way of getting it back to life again short of rebooting. What could cause the hard drive to do this? This happens when i use ITunes or µTorrent to get files. Can you strain a hard drive too much? It's not a question of energy saving either since i have the hard drives set to not shut down at all. I'm at a loss as what to do here and i don't want to take the machine to an Apple store since i don't have an AppleCare plan for it. Thanks for any help. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
