Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
I’m sure there are people at Apple Accessibility who care, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that in general accessibility feature announcements are coordinated with OS releases which generate PR headlines for Apple. In the end, Apple are a business, accessibility was something they initially did to comply with the law, and Steve Jobs is no longer at the helm to proxy the user interest in relatively quality software. Yes, by all means keep reporting issues to Apple, but do keep your options open for other platforms and tools. I’d never leave iOS in the current climate, but Apple Silicon represents an interesting dichotomy because it cuts off access to Windows on Macs, so it might be that iOS takes the place of macOS for commodity applications, especially now that Windows includes a Linux subsystem that’s arguably one of macOS’s strong draws for people who need UNIX. Or maybe macOS should simply be rarified to the few tasks it now does especially well, perhaps on a discretely-sized small notebook. It’s even possible that running x86_64 Windows will be possible on a fast enough Silicon Mac. The point is, the era of the accessibility toolbox is sadly back and we have to collect them as we now do dongles. :( Cheers, Sabahattin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/44E75065-8200-4D0C-8984-13399D94E9DB%40me.com.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
What a pitty. One of the biggest issues concerning Apple Products in my opinion is the reliability of accessibility. I really do believe the accessibility team really works hard to keep the OS as accessible as possible for VoiceOver. But it’s like two steps forward and one step back. And that’s since I started using Apples products 12 years ago. It’s not really possible to develop a stable workflow because after the next update it could become broken by the developers. And that’s even more true for third party developers. And that’s really an issue for people who want to use the Mac, iPad and iPhone truely productively for their business. I don’t know what to do about this. All I see we can do is to send feedbacks to the accessibility team as long as it touches functions of VoiceOver. But sometimes I’m really frustrated and desparate. All the best Jürgen > Am 19.10.2021 um 03:29 schrieb 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries > : > > The RC came out, so I took the plunge. Sorry to say that the problems are > still there. > > If you use Books and run into this bug, however infrequently, please let > Apple know so they’ll be more inclined to fix for the next point-version. I > don’t know about you, but I’m foolish enough to live by iBooks. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/B22BDCF2-3686-411A-8314-FE52A9E34C92%40me.com. > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/EEE49D7A-1CD4-45D9-9D92-774A0862D90C%40fleger.net.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
The RC came out, so I took the plunge. Sorry to say that the problems are still there. If you use Books and run into this bug, however infrequently, please let Apple know so they’ll be more inclined to fix for the next point-version. I don’t know about you, but I’m foolish enough to live by iBooks. Cheers, Sabahattin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/B22BDCF2-3686-411A-8314-FE52A9E34C92%40me.com.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
Hi, it seems to me Apple Books is broken in many ways. Just deleted the app and reinstalled it. Let see if that‘s helpful. The issues I had: • stopped turning pages using VO • stopped randomely reading in middle of a page • the special reader doesn‘t work at all since iOS 15 • using the bar at the bottom to navigate quickly to another page forward or backward tells me I‘m at the desired page but infact VO reads at the old position I was before • often Apple Books looses the page position where I left Hopefully it‘ll be fixed in iOS 15.1. And it‘s so sad Apple doesn‘t releas fully working software anymore. OK, bugs are quite normal but it seems to me the big releases are not more than beta versions which had to become released at a certain date. But I do beleive the accessibility team works really hard to keep VO as powerful as it is. It‘s more an issue of the other parts of the company. All the best Jürgen Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet > Am 17.10.2021 um 05:05 schrieb 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries > : > > Thanks for the suggestion but, alas, it didn't work at all. In fact, > curiously, the problems occurred in exactly the same places, accounting for > font size. It's very, very bizarre. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AED0A397-EAAE-43BF-B0F7-DFDDA2E47D36%40me.com. > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/89EA970D-E290-4639-9778-C063668836F3%40fleger.net.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
Thanks for the suggestion but, alas, it didn't work at all. In fact, curiously, the problems occurred in exactly the same places, accounting for font size. It's very, very bizarre. Cheers, Sabahattin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AED0A397-EAAE-43BF-B0F7-DFDDA2E47D36%40me.com.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
Twice in the iOS 15 cycle I’ve been unable to interact with the Books screen - both times solved by Scott Davert’s suggestion of deleting and tgen redownloading the Books app. Harry > On 15 Oct 2021, at 22:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi, > > I’ve had this happen as well. It’s fixed for me though now and I can’t > recall if it was fixed before the release of of the latest update, or if it > is in one of the Betas of 15.1. I’d submit a frustration report anyway. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:48 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> >> Anyone having trouble with the Books app on iOS 15 and VoiceOver? >> Specifically, navigation is inconsistent, pages appear to be blank, links >> are all that can be focussed, and other such discomforts that, for all >> practical purposes, make the thing unusable? I’m getting this whatever font, >> size, scrolling view or theme I’m in, and with a number of books, in >> different spots on different devices, so I think it’s a bug, but I’d >> appreciate some confirmation. DRM strikes again—with no alternative, it’s >> frustrating! >> >> Cheers, >> Sabahattin >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6F2C85C0-54C1-4713-92EC-7CB9B09C575A%40me.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/842819DF-21D7-490B-9C71-CC477AFF70E3%40me.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/7D9FBA61-12E8-4408-8B2A-8D75F5240550%40icloud.com.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
Thanks. I’m using the 15.0.2 stable release, but I’ve sent in a feedback on it anyway. Here’s to hoping the fix is due in an upcoming release. I’m reluctant to move onto the betas again right now while I’m standardising my clean installs on 15 stable, but once the release notes are in for the next release, I’ll upgrade. Cheers, Sabahattin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/11FF52D9-1EEF-4088-906A-9BB3C4C18243%40me.com.
Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
Hi, I’ve had this happen as well. It’s fixed for me though now and I can’t recall if it was fixed before the release of of the latest update, or if it is in one of the Betas of 15.1. I’d submit a frustration report anyway. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:48 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi all. > > Anyone having trouble with the Books app on iOS 15 and VoiceOver? > Specifically, navigation is inconsistent, pages appear to be blank, links are > all that can be focussed, and other such discomforts that, for all practical > purposes, make the thing unusable? I’m getting this whatever font, size, > scrolling view or theme I’m in, and with a number of books, in different > spots on different devices, so I think it’s a bug, but I’d appreciate some > confirmation. DRM strikes again—with no alternative, it’s frustrating! > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6F2C85C0-54C1-4713-92EC-7CB9B09C575A%40me.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/842819DF-21D7-490B-9C71-CC477AFF70E3%40me.com.
iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems
Hi all. Anyone having trouble with the Books app on iOS 15 and VoiceOver? Specifically, navigation is inconsistent, pages appear to be blank, links are all that can be focussed, and other such discomforts that, for all practical purposes, make the thing unusable? I’m getting this whatever font, size, scrolling view or theme I’m in, and with a number of books, in different spots on different devices, so I think it’s a bug, but I’d appreciate some confirmation. DRM strikes again—with no alternative, it’s frustrating! Cheers, Sabahattin -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6F2C85C0-54C1-4713-92EC-7CB9B09C575A%40me.com.
