Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Nah Simon, hang in there, live long enough for the Singularity and you’ll be able to download your brain in to a machine and we’ll be laughing about the idea of laptops or desktops. Kurzweil says by 2045, I hope I make it. > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > But I want it this year, I'll be getting to old in a few years. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:13 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the > chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM 990K > where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons > wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. > > Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but > give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you > want. > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Yeahscott, >> >> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core >> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. >> >> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy >> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. >> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. >> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the >> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I >> wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a >> lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. >> >> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I >> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) >> >>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> Max >>> >>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great >>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older >>> model which there is only one model of. >>> >>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the >>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what >>> the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the >>> 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not >>> doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you >>> shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing >>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but >>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort >>> them for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or >>> there abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to >>> lose a little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm >>> maxing out the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. >>> thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >>>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than >>>> the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great >>>> for quad speakers. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
But I want it this year, I'll be getting to old in a few years. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM 990K where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you want. > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Yeahscott, > > My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core > processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. > > I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy > to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. > But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. > Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the > keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I wish > they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a lot of > VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. > > Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I > suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) > >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Max >> >> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great >> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older >> model which there is only one model of. >> >> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the >> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what >> the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the >> 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not >> doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you >> shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. >> >> Hope that helps. >> -Original Message----- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing >> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but >> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them >> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there >> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a >> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out >> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul >> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than >>> the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great >>> for quad speakers. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>>> >>>&
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
That's why Apple went to the RISC PowerPC in the not too distant past as it could crank out more work than its Intel brethern. Unfortunatly it eventually lost its lead and Apple had to make another migration to the Intel platform. In some ways, that made things easier with virtual machines and shared architectures under the hood. It's funny now to read about how the PowerMac G4 was banned from export because it was considered a supercomputer. http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/17/g4.ban.idg/index.html CB On 7/11/16 10:14 PM, Scott Granados wrote: First, the number in front of the CPU is basically meaningless. The gigahertz number is just the frequency of the master clock. There used to be a time where this had some meaning. Chips were similar and one with a faster clock rate should in theory compute faster but that isn’t really the case any more. Different instruction sets, cache sizes, pipelines, number of cores, word length, and on and on really are the factors. A much better measurement is flops or floating point operations per second. There are other bench mark standards as well but the basic idea is it’s more meaningful to actually measure the amount of data computed rather than the rate of the oscillator. The way that multiprocessing used to be done is that say two processors would be set up in parallel and each would trigger by either the positive or negative of the wave form. When the sine wave went negative it might trip processor A and when it went 180 degrees out of phase to the positive it would trip the other. The Fairlight CMI II was a good example of a computer that works this way. Now there’s all sorts of things happening with multiple processors per dye, possibly multiple processor chips per computer each with it’s own set of cores. A Dec Alpha chip in the old days at 400 MHZ smoked the hell out of a Pentium at 900 MHZ because of the differences in the instruction set. If you want to see a discussion on benchmarking and FLOPS I’d highly suggest a trip over to top500.org. It’s a fascinating look at the top 500 largest super computers in the unclassified space, their architecture and how each is measured in performance. Hope that clears it up a little. On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote: Yes, not sure how much the CPU speed number really means these days. It seems that with the airs being in the 1.5 ghz range, are they really faster than something, say, like an old 2008 Mac Book that had around a 2.3 or 2.4 gig chip? I know we have more cores and hyperthreading now, but if we didn't care that much about having the thinnest thing around, would we be better off getting the regular Mac Book? - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:13 AM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM 990K where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you want. On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: Yeahscott, My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: Max The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which there is only one model of. The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what t
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Then, it is good to know that $ is an rating of how fast it is. Higher number in $, faster in speed. Not always, but most often true. Take care > 12. jul. 2016 kl. 04.14 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>: > > First, the number in front of the CPU is basically meaningless. The > gigahertz number is just the frequency of the master clock. There used to be > a time where this had some meaning. Chips were similar and one with a faster > clock rate should in theory compute faster but that isn’t really the case any > more. > Different instruction sets, cache sizes, pipelines, number of cores, > word length, and on and on really are the factors. A much better measurement > is flops or floating point operations per second. There are other bench mark > standards as well but the basic idea is it’s more meaningful to actually > measure the amount of data computed rather than the rate of the oscillator. > The way that multiprocessing used to be done is that say two processors > would be set up in parallel and each would trigger by either the positive or > negative of the wave form. When the sine wave went negative it might trip > processor A and when it went 180 degrees out of phase to the positive it > would trip the other. The Fairlight CMI II was a good example of a computer > that works this way. > Now there’s all sorts of things happening with multiple processors per > dye, possibly multiple processor chips per computer each with it’s own set of > cores. A Dec Alpha chip in the old days at 400 MHZ smoked the hell out of a > Pentium at 900 MHZ because of the differences in the instruction set. If you > want to see a discussion on benchmarking and FLOPS I’d highly suggest a trip > over to top500.org. It’s a fascinating look at the top 500 largest super > computers in the unclassified space, their architecture and how each is > measured in performance. > > Hope that clears it up a little. > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote: >> >> Yes, not sure how much the CPU speed number really means these days. It >> seems that with the airs being in the 1.5 ghz range, are they really faster >> than something, say, like an old 2008 Mac Book that had around a 2.3 or 2.4 >> gig chip? I know we have more cores and hyperthreading now, but if we didn't >> care that much about having the thinnest thing around, would we be better >> off getting the regular Mac Book? >> >> - Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:13 AM >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> >> A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the >> chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM >> 990K where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the >> electrons wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. >> >> Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain >> but give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor >> you want. >> >>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yeahscott, >>> >>> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core >>> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. >>> >>> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy >>> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. >>> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. >>> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the >>> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >>> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I >>> wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a >>> lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. >>> >>> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I >>> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) >>> >>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
First, the number in front of the CPU is basically meaningless. The gigahertz number is just the frequency of the master clock. There used to be a time where this had some meaning. Chips were similar and one with a faster clock rate should in theory compute faster but that isn’t really the case any more. Different instruction sets, cache sizes, pipelines, number of cores, word length, and on and on really are the factors. A much better measurement is flops or floating point operations per second. There are other bench mark standards as well but the basic idea is it’s more meaningful to actually measure the amount of data computed rather than the rate of the oscillator. The way that multiprocessing used to be done is that say two processors would be set up in parallel and each would trigger by either the positive or negative of the wave form. When the sine wave went negative it might trip processor A and when it went 180 degrees out of phase to the positive it would trip the other. The Fairlight CMI II was a good example of a computer that works this way. Now there’s all sorts of things happening with multiple processors per dye, possibly multiple processor chips per computer each with it’s own set of cores. A Dec Alpha chip in the old days at 400 MHZ smoked the hell out of a Pentium at 900 MHZ because of the differences in the instruction set. If you want to see a discussion on benchmarking and FLOPS I’d highly suggest a trip over to top500.org. It’s a fascinating look at the top 500 largest super computers in the unclassified space, their architecture and how each is measured in performance. Hope that clears it up a little. > On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote: > > Yes, not sure how much the CPU speed number really means these days. It seems > that with the airs being in the 1.5 ghz range, are they really faster than > something, say, like an old 2008 Mac Book that had around a 2.3 or 2.4 gig > chip? I know we have more cores and hyperthreading now, but if we didn't care > that much about having the thinnest thing around, would we be better off > getting the regular Mac Book? > > - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the > chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM 990K > where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons > wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. > > Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but > give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you > want. > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Yeahscott, >> >> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core >> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. >> >> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy >> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. >> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. >> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the >> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I >> wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a >> lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. >> >> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I >> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) >> >>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> Max >>> >>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great >>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older >>> model which there is only one model of. >>> >>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the >>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the >>> pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd,
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Yes, not sure how much the CPU speed number really means these days. It seems that with the airs being in the 1.5 ghz range, are they really faster than something, say, like an old 2008 Mac Book that had around a 2.3 or 2.4 gig chip? I know we have more cores and hyperthreading now, but if we didn't care that much about having the thinnest thing around, would we be better off getting the regular Mac Book? - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:13 AM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM 990K where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you want. On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: Yeahscott, My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: Max The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which there is only one model of. The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. Hope that helps. -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for quad speakers. -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I miss something obvious? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> S
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the chips in any physical configuration you want. It’s not like the old IBM 990K where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise. Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but give it a few years. We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you want. > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Yeahscott, > > My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core > processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. > > I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy > to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. > But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. > Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the > keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I wish > they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a lot of > VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. > > Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect > I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) > >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Max >> >> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great >> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older >> model which there is only one model of. >> >> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the >> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the >> pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 >> inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not doing >> anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you shouldbe able >> to get away with the air up speced. >> >> Hope that helps. >> -Original Message----- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing >> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but >> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them >> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there >> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a >> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out >> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul >> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than >>> the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great >>> for quad speakers. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>>> >>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. >>>> Did I miss something obvious? >>>> --- >>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>> Training Instructor. >>>> >>>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>>>
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Yeahscott, My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive. I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy to fit in a bag if I'm mobile. But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time. Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) > On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Max > > The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great > machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older > model which there is only one model of. > > The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the > harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the > pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 > inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not doing > anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you shouldbe able > to get away with the air up speced. > > Hope that helps. > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing > speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but > sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them > for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there > abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a > little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out > the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul > 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the >> iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for >> quad speakers. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>> >>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >>> I miss something obvious? >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, >>> mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is importa
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
If you buy a new air it will have the latest chipset as well. I think you’ll be in good shape. > On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:51 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > well i know the pro has a stronger processor but i've gotten away with 4 gb > ram for a long time now. so am thinking air it is, Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> Max >> >> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine, >> No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which >> there is only one model of. >> >> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in >> the pros now are ssd >> So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to >> 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram >> and 1TB SSD >> But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing >> then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. >> >> Hope that helps. >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing >> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but >> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them >> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there >> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a >> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out >> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul >> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than >>> the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great >>> for quad speakers. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>>> >>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. >>>> Did I miss something obvious? >>>> --- >>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>> Training Instructor. >>>> >>>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>> >>>> >>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >>>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >>>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >>>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >>>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >>>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
This is one area I have issues with apple. Especially in the pro line I wish they would support more than 16GB. As someone who likes to spin up a lot of VSRX instances, it would be nice to have lots of extra memory. Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:) > On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Max > > The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine, > No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which > there is only one model of. > > The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in > the pros now are ssd > So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to > 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram > and 1TB SSD > But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing > then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. > > Hope that helps. > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing > speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but > sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them > for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there > abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a > little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out > the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul > 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the >> iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for >> quad speakers. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>> >>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >>> I miss something obvious? >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Tim, totally get it. In the days of CRT tubes I used to leave mine off to keep the ringing from my ears. That’s before I blew out my hearing so now it doesn’t matter, ring away. People would freak out though, I totally get your example.:) > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > You are totally correct Scott with respect to blind users and the use case. > For the most part, the comment about blind users requiring a nice screen was > meant as a funny, but I can see where it may have fallen flat. Myself, I > also work with sighted people all the time, and, for work, have my souped up > 2011 15" MBP, a couple iMacs, some MacPros and some rather old iMacs as well > just for fun. I often dim the screen in meetings and forget to turn it back > up for others when they wish to see what's on my screen. I just tell them > that I can see it just fine like that, what's their problem :). > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 18:37, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering > network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense > applications. Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to > look over his shoulder. So there are some applications where a blind person > who you might not think has any need for a screen does. Maybe not for direct > use but there can be other benefits. > > It’s all about the use cases I guess. > > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing >> to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can >> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, >> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user >> require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the >> everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, >> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The >> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving >> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You >> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so >> that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is >> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >> >> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with >> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but >> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it >> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or >> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>> >>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>> >>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du tol no I >>> wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring both mac >>> os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>> keybo
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
well i know the pro has a stronger processor but i've gotten away with 4 gb ram for a long time now. so am thinking air it is, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Max > > The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine, > No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which > there is only one model of. > > The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in > the pros now are ssd > So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to > 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram > and 1TB SSD > But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing > then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. > > Hope that helps. > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing > speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but > sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them > for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there > abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a > little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out > the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul > 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the >> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the >> iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for >> quad speakers. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>> >>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >>> I miss something obvious? >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
that's exactly what i was hoping, On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Max, > > I have the mac book air, > I had a custom build, of the 11 inch with up speed processor, ram and hard > drive. > > I am concidering a mac book pro next but that is due to neding some windows > and server based vm's so a bit more power and performance > > Other than that the mac book iar is great and I use it all the time. > > Why pay more when you can gt the same thing for a lot less. > > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:33 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all > in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac > book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without > the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so > much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd > player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon > Fogarty wrote: > >> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >> >> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >> >> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group,
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I >>>> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external >>>> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>>> >>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>> >>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>> >>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad >>>>> pro? Thanks, Max >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, vis
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
HI Tim, Well there kind of is, I have a strontium 64GB flash drive with a lightening connector on one end and a usb 2 connector on the other. So you can now connect flash media to an Iphone or Ipad to save data on to other device. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 7:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi, I do realize that there is both WiFi and Lightning storage, my thoughts though were whether there may be something in the future that works with iOS for external storage. Maybe there is and I'm out of the loop, but I haven't noticed it. With respect to pricing, I'm only quoting Canadian pricing from apple.ca<http://apple.ca> where a 13" MacBook Air with 256 GB Flash storage and 8 GB RAM goes for $1449 CAD and a 13" MacBook Pro with 256 GB storage and 8 GB RAM goes for $1799 CAD. Note that the Pro has a faster, more powerful processor, Retina Display, Force-Touch Trackpad and more. So, you are getting more computer for the extra expenditure. Each of these are upgradable with more RAM, more storage etc. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the record. As to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina MacBook last year, including only one port aside from the headphone jack. This suggests less expansion, not more, especially on their mobile products. I, too, have no special knowledge or anything, but I can't imagine them allowing expansion slots to take up space. The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends heavily on what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose, though. I find the Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building different Macs to look at their prices, though you can, of course, do that on apple.com<http://apple.com/> too. On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Max, Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBoo
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
And in the passed few years Apple have doubled the size of storage within the iPhone going up to the 128 gig option, The more that ssd or flash storage comes down in price the options will then possibly change. Max, I'd think about what it is you require of your machine and then think about what you want to pay. The air is quite a bit cheaper than the pro but the specs are different. I upgraded my air 11 inch as I wanted the smallest machine for portability and the most powerfull possible I'd have got more ram and faster processor but that wasn't an option with the 11 inch device. But still I can't fault what I have now. -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 6:29 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi Max, > > Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and > fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't > believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not > an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to > be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may > not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work > with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. > Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although > the Air would be less expensive. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my > websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 > inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I > would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think > this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i > know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that > option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing >> to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can >> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, >> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user >> require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the >> everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, >> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The >> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving >> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You >> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so >> that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is >> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >> >> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe >> I'll go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am >> staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm >> thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and >> when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little >> external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul >> 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>> The 12 inch is
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Max The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which there is only one model of. The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced. Hope that helps. -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the > faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the > iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for > quad speakers. > > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max > hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff > on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, > Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >> >> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >> I miss something obvious? >> --- >> Christopher Gilland >> JAWS Certified, 2016. >> Training Instructor. >> >> clgillan...@gmail.com >> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Max, I have the mac book air, I had a custom build, of the 11 inch with up speed processor, ram and hard drive. I am concidering a mac book pro next but that is due to neding some windows and server based vm's so a bit more power and performance Other than that the mac book iar is great and I use it all the time. Why pay more when you can gt the same thing for a lot less. -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. > The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. > > The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around > > It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. > Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to > requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems > But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending > and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still > think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case > with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, > > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. > He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that > with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about > everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad > pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac > book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is > Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is > Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your M
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Peggy, Only the 13 inch air has the sd slot On the right hand edge, towards the front the of the machine If I remember correctly. From: 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 2:44 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? I never knew my Air had an SD card slot. I feel really stupid. Peggy and Dixie Marie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones (what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes. I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my guide to all of Apple's Mac computers: http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Hi Max, The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash storage And up to 8gb ram. Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they only have sertain machines as general builds. The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, And a great battery life The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan sizes, And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. As do the prices. I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I said it depends on your kind of usage. From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the differences between the pro and air. thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks the expansion ports of a Mac. As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :) On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I miss something obvious? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com&
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
gt;> >>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>> >>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>> >>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad >>>>> pro? Thanks, Max >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on t
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi, You are totally correct Scott with respect to blind users and the use case. For the most part, the comment about blind users requiring a nice screen was meant as a funny, but I can see where it may have fallen flat. Myself, I also work with sighted people all the time, and, for work, have my souped up 2011 15" MBP, a couple iMacs, some MacPros and some rather old iMacs as well just for fun. I often dim the screen in meetings and forget to turn it back up for others when they wish to see what's on my screen. I just tell them that I can see it just fine like that, what's their problem :). Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 18:37, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense applications. Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to look over his shoulder. So there are some applications where a blind person who you might not think has any need for a screen does. Maybe not for direct use but there can be other benefits. It’s all about the use cases I guess. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD > drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you > need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing > to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can > accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with > all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a > better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. > It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do > it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very > nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the > future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most > everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option > as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where > near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. > > So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a > power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will > do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 > GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make > sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all > in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac > book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without > the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so > much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd > player instead. what do you think? Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >> >> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >> >> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring >> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >> would you go with a mac book pro, mac
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
gt;>>>> As do the prices. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and >>>>>> 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out >>>>>> of it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless >>>>>> I’m watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% >>>>>> >>>>>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. >>>>>> >>>>>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in >>>>>> weight. >>>>>> >>>>>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but >>>>>> as I said it depends on your kind of usage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>>> >>>>>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the >>>>>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I >>>>>> believe, which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. >>>>>> Plus, it lacks the expansion ports of a Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks >>>>>> many keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a >>>>>> 12-inch MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you >>>>>> need Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't >>>>>> used an iPad Pro, but I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be >>>>>> the same on both. Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and >>>>>> get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never >>>>>> understood having an iPad if I already have an iPhone. Aside from the >>>>>> braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do for me, as a blind >>>>>> person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :) >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the >>>>>> max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot >>>>>> of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>>>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. >>>>>> Did I miss something obvious? >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>>> >>>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch unt
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Air >>>>>> will do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at >>>>>> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. >>>>>> This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its >>>>>> usefulness. >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll >>>>>> go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am >>>>>> staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm >>>>>> thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, >>>>>> and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a >>>>>> little external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? >>>>>> Max >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with >>>>>>> the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything >>>>>>> you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you >>>>>>> could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or >>>>>>> iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.goog
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
sounds like whether i go air or pro I'll be okay. hadn't thought about just swapping the hard drive. h this one is over four years old so I do think its time for a new one. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so > any of the laptops will treat you well. That rotating drive is probably the > slowest part of your machine. Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new > laptop has taken it’s place. > > With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and > tricky stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is less > critical. What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy. > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live >> events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face >> time and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have >> enough horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got >> 4 gb of ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive >> at the time. Thanks, max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >>> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools >>> for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand. >>> >>> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera >>> and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks. If you do >>> a lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that >>> extra horsepower will be appreciated. If all you want to do is regular >>> internet access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely. >>> Also more portable. For that matter, we had great results with iPads for >>> pure video plays. We installed our application and enabled the cellular >>> modem and executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and >>> securely from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences. >>> Either device will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to >>> do with it. >>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do a lot of >>>> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want >>>> as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the >>>> air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 >>>> inch might be what I need. thanks, Max >>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Max, >>>>> >>>>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, >>>>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, >>>>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE >>>>> flash storage >>>>> And up to 8gb ram. >>>>> >>>>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they >>>>> only have sertain machines as general builds. >>>>> >>>>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has >>>>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. >>>>> >>>>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, >>>>> And a great battery life >>>>> >>>>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan >>>>> sizes, >>>>> And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. >>>>> >>>>> As do the prices. >>>>> >>>>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and >>>>> 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out >>>>> of it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless >>>>> I’m watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% >>>>> >>>>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. >>>>> >>>>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in >>>>&g
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2, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >>>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying >>>>> with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking >>>>> pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I >>>>> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external >>>>> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>>> >>>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>>> >>>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad >>>>>> pro? Thanks, Max >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>> >>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>> >>>>>> The archives for this
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so any of the laptops will treat you well. That rotating drive is probably the slowest part of your machine. Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new laptop has taken it’s place. With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and tricky stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is less critical. What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live > events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face time > and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have enough > horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 4 gb of > ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive at the > time. Thanks, max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools >> for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand. >> >> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera >> and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks. If you do a >> lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra >> horsepower will be appreciated. If all you want to do is regular internet >> access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely. Also more >> portable. For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video >> plays. We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and >> executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely >> from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences. Either device >> will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it. >> >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do a lot of >>> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want >>> as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the >>> air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 >>> inch might be what I need. thanks, Max >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Max, >>>> >>>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, >>>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, >>>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash >>>> storage >>>> And up to 8gb ram. >>>> >>>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they >>>> only have sertain machines as general builds. >>>> >>>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has >>>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. >>>> >>>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, >>>> And a great battery life >>>> >>>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan >>>> sizes, >>>> And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. >>>> >>>> As do the prices. >>>> >>>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and >>>> 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of >>>> it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m >>>> watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% >>>> >>>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. >>>> >>>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. >>>> >>>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as >>>> I said it depends on your kind of usage. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <m
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>>> >>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>> >>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>> >>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad >>>>> pro? Thanks, Max >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face time and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have enough horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 4 gb of ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive at the time. Thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools > for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand. > > The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera and > wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks. If you do a lot > of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra > horsepower will be appreciated. If all you want to do is regular internet > access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely. Also more > portable. For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video > plays. We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and > executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely > from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences. Either device > will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it. > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do a lot of >> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want >> as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the >> air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch >> might be what I need. thanks, Max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> Hi Max, >>> >>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, >>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, >>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash >>> storage >>> And up to 8gb ram. >>> >>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they >>> only have sertain machines as general builds. >>> >>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has >>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. >>> >>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, >>> And a great battery life >>> >>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan >>> sizes, >>> And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. >>> >>> As do the prices. >>> >>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb >>> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it >>> when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m >>> watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% >>> >>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. >>> >>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. >>> >>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I >>> said it depends on your kind of usage. >>> >>> >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the >>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max >>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>> >>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, >>> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks >>> the expansion ports of a Mac. >>> >>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many >>> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch >>> MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need >>> Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an >>> iPad Pro, but I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on >>> both. Personally, I'd rather save up a little
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hahaha Arnold, good question. Being it was less than 14 days or in that range I bet it just gets a new set of packing material and is sold new. I wouldn’t set it though, you’re making a great move and a good financial move as well, save that money and the headache of new and take your time and enjoy the process. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote: > > I looked and looked on that refurbished list for a Mac Mini before I bought > the new one, which I took back. There never were any. I wonder if the one I > took back will now appear on that list, now that I have ordered the used one? > I don't think I will look, I don't need to know. > > Arnold Schmidt > - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price. I hope you enjoy it. > > Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I > think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply. I > sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new > model. Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so > every year I go through new laptops and phones especially. There’s a 2016 > refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the > new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last > years in exchange for this years latest and greatest. Being a sharp shopper > I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by buying the > previous version. > > > I hope you have a good time with your training. > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Max and all. >> >> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. >> >> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to >> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I >> can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple >> of beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm >> buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already >> been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand >> new Macbook Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many >> almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at >> the new OS and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be >> getting an almost new computer. >> >> I thought it was worth considering this option. >> >> Very best wishes. >> Andy. >> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> >> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would >> be. Thanks, Max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi Max, >>> >>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and >>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't >>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm >>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just >>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that >>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that >>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your >>> iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're >>> hoping, although the Air would be less expensive. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. >>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch >>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would >>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this >>> means future versions of the iPhone may a
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
i hear you; i occasionally need sighted help and they expect large high resolution monitors On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering > network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense > applications. Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to > look over his shoulder. So there are some applications where a blind person > who you might not think has any need for a screen does. Maybe not for direct > use but there can be other benefits. > > It’s all about the use cases I guess. > > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing >> to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can >> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, >> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user >> require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the >> everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, >> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The >> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving >> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You >> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so >> that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is >> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >> >> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with >> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but >> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it >> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or >> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>> >>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>> >>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you fe
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone. > Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had > their way these storage devices would go away. I’d be fine with that, not a > huge fan of SD cards but that’s me. I love cloud storage but I know others > feel differently. Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of > the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely. > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. >> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch >> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would >> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this >> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i >> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that >> option would be nice. thanks, max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >>> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're >>> willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, >>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. >>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a >>> blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more >>> for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would >>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive >>> model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way >>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they >>> become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting >>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO >>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or >>> Desktop unit. >>> >>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >>> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will >>> make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with >>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but >>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it >>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or >>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>> >>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>> >>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>> >>>> -Original Message----- >>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
I looked and looked on that refurbished list for a Mac Mini before I bought the new one, which I took back. There never were any. I wonder if the one I took back will now appear on that list, now that I have ordered the used one? I don't think I will look, I don't need to know. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:31 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price. I hope you enjoy it. Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply. I sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new model. Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so every year I go through new laptops and phones especially. There’s a 2016 refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last years in exchange for this years latest and greatest. Being a sharp shopper I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by buying the previous version. I hope you have a good time with your training. On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Max and all. Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an almost new computer. I thought it was worth considering this option. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Max, Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access wit
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
The airs have already received such an upgrade this year. Not positive on the pro if that’s happened yet but it’s eminent. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > > There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce > a new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At > that time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older > ones (what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't > be updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're > thinking of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes. > > I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind > user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, > certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in > the larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a > good deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described > the differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, > see my guide to all of Apple's Mac computers: > http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs > <http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Max, >> >> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, >> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, >> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash >> storage >> And up to 8gb ram. >> >> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they >> only have sertain machines as general builds. >> >> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the >> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. >> >> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, >> And a great battery life >> >> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan >> sizes, >> And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. >> >> As do the prices. >> >> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb >> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when >> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching >> tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% >> >> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. >> >> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. >> >> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I >> said it depends on your kind of usage. >> >> >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the >> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> >> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, >> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks >> the expansion ports of a Mac. >> >> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many >> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook >> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you >> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but >> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. >> Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. >> The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I >> already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, >> what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) >> iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :) >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
SSD is your only option now on any of the Apple Laptops I believe that are 2013 and newer. Also, the DVD drive thankfully is long gone. You also get AC networking so nice and zippy on the wireless side. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:43 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing > speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but > sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them > for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there > abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a > little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out > the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models >> Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more >> to them than the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it >> wasn't great for quad speakers. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, >> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>> >>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >>> I miss something obvious? >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> - Original Message ----- From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand. The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks. If you do a lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra horsepower will be appreciated. If all you want to do is regular internet access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely. Also more portable. For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video plays. We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences. Either device will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do a lot of > online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want as > much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the air > than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch > might be what I need. thanks, Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> Hi Max, >> >> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, >> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, >> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash >> storage >> And up to 8gb ram. >> >> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they >> only have sertain machines as general builds. >> >> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the >> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. >> >> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, >> And a great battery life >> >> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan >> sizes, >> And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. >> >> As do the prices. >> >> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb >> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when >> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching >> tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% >> >> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. >> >> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. >> >> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I >> said it depends on your kind of usage. >> >> >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the >> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> >> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, >> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks >> the expansion ports of a Mac. >> >> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many >> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook >> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you >> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but >> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. >> Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. >> The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I >> already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, >> what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) >> iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :) >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max &
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense applications. Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to look over his shoulder. So there are some applications where a blind person who you might not think has any need for a screen does. Maybe not for direct use but there can be other benefits. It’s all about the use cases I guess. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD > drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you > need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing > to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can > accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with > all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a > better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. > It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do > it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very > nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the > future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most > everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option > as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where > near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. > > So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a > power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will > do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 > GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make > sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all > in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac > book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without > the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so > much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd > player instead. what do you think? Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >> >> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >> >> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring >> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >> >> -Original Message- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this me
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone. Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had their way these storage devices would go away. I’d be fine with that, not a huge fan of SD cards but that’s me. I love cloud storage but I know others feel differently. Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, > I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 > because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably > go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means > future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now > we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option > would be nice. thanks, max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing >> to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can >> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, >> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user >> require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the >> everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, >> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The >> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving >> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You >> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so >> that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is >> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >> >> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with >> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but >> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it >> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or >> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>> >>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>> >>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >>> any of you had your hands on
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Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price. I hope you enjoy it. Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply. I sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new model. Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so every year I go through new laptops and phones especially. There’s a 2016 refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last years in exchange for this years latest and greatest. Being a sharp shopper I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by buying the previous version. I hope you have a good time with your training. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi Max and all. > > Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. > > I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to > undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can > carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of > beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a > refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told > that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook > Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new > computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS > and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an > almost new computer. > > I thought it was worth considering this option. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would > be. Thanks, Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi Max, >> >> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and >> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't >> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm >> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just >> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that >> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that >> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your >> iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, >> although the Air would be less expensive. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. >> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch >> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would >> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this >> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i >> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that >> option would be nice. thanks, max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >>> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're >>> willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, >>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. >>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a >>> blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more >>> for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would >>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive >>> model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way >>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they >>> become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting >>
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t;> >>>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in >>>>> DVD drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the >>>>> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much >>>>> you're willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better >>>>> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more >>>>> powerful work. Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, >>>>> and, why does a blind user require a better display? the Air is a good >>>>> machine, meant more for the everyday user. It can still do most things >>>>> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't >>>>> take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and >>>>> iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it >>>>> will be a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an >>>>> iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the >>>>> keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what >>>>> can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >>>>> >>>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not >>>>> a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air >>>>> will do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at >>>>> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. >>>>> This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its >>>>> usefulness. >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >>>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying >>>>> with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking >>>>> pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I >>>>> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external >>>>> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>>> >>>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>>> >>>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad >>>>>> pro? Thanks, Max >>>>>> >>>>>&
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Andy, no worries here. You can get a spec case that the air fits in, sort of like the life proof cases for iPhones or other hardened shells and your air will take that beer like a pro.:) And I envy you for your thriving pub scene and an environment where you feel safe enough to leave your air while you make room for more beer.:) If someone should happen to make off with your air though there are features in the Apple that allow it to be tracked, it’s called find my mac. When I lived out in California someone close to me had a laptop stolen and we were able to find it on a map as well as use the camera to snap a picture of the user and I won’t get in to a lot of detail here but we retrieved the laptop along with some um compensation for their thievery. Costs for such cases are low on Amazon. Good luck as always If I ever get to Scotland, beers on me and I’ll take some of that 22 year old single malt if it’s available.:) > On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim. > > Funny, I never considered the possibility of spilling my beer! I've been > more concerned about how it would look when I took my Macbookk Air to the > toilet. Do you think that all of my friends in the pub will think that I > don't trust them and that they may lift my computer while I was away from my > table? It's a thought! > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" <kilbu...@me.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Hi, > > That's a good savings Andy. Just be careful not to spill your beer onto your > macBook Air while in the Pub. Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket :). > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi Max and all. > > Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. > > I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to > undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can > carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of > beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a > refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told > that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook > Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new > computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS > and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an > almost new computer. > > I thought it was worth considering this option. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > - Original Message ----- From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would > be. Thanks, Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi Max, >> >> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and >> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't >> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm >> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just >> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that >> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that >> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your >> iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, >> although the Air would be less expensive. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. >> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch >> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would >> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this >> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i >> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that >> option would be ni
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Tim. Funny, I never considered the possibility of spilling my beer! I've been more concerned about how it would look when I took my Macbookk Air to the toilet. Do you think that all of my friends in the pub will think that I don't trust them and that they may lift my computer while I was away from my table? It's a thought! Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" <kilbu...@me.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:46 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi, That's a good savings Andy. Just be careful not to spill your beer onto your macBook Air while in the Pub. Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket :). Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Max and all. Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an almost new computer. I thought it was worth considering this option. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Max, Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Iv
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
thanks andy; all the info is appreciated. i hear something similar may be about to happen when iOS 10 hits the i devices. take care, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Andy wrote: > Hi Max and all. > > Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. > > I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to > undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can > carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of > beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a > refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told > that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook > Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new > computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS > and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an > almost new computer. > > I thought it was worth considering this option. > > Very best wishes. > Andy. > - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would > be. Thanks, Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi Max, >> >> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and >> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't >> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm >> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just >> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that >> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that >> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your >> iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, >> although the Air would be less expensive. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. >> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch >> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would >> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this >> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i >> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that >> option would be nice. thanks, max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >>> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're >>> willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, >>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. >>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a >>> blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more >>> for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would >>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive >>> model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way >>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they >>> become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting >>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO >>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or >>> Desktop unit. >>> >>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >>> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>
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ine, and iOS >>>> is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be >>>> a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an iOS >>>> device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the >>>> keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can >>>> be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >>>> >>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air >>>> will do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at >>>> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This >>>> will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its >>>> usefulness. >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying >>>> with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking >>>> pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I >>>> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external >>>> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>>> >>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>>> >>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending >>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still >>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case >>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>>> >>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad >>>>> pro? Thanks, Max >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi, That's a good savings Andy. Just be careful not to spill your beer onto your macBook Air while in the Pub. Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket :). Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Max and all. Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an almost new computer. I thought it was worth considering this option. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi Max, > > Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and > fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't > believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not > an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to > be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may > not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work > with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. > Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although > the Air would be less expensive. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, > I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 > because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably > go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means > future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now > we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option > would be nice. thanks, max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing >> to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can >> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, >> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user >> require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the >> everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, >> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The >> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving >> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You >> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so >> that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is >> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >> >> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Max and all. Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth. I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air. This means I can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of beers and play with it. However, I'm not buying a new machine. I'm buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow. I've already been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00. A brand new Macbook Air is £800.00. When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS and return it within 14 days. So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an almost new computer. I thought it was worth considering this option. Very best wishes. Andy. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Max, Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring b
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
aging enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >>> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will >>> make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with >>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but >>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it >>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or >>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>> >>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>> >>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>> >>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>> Thanks, Max >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> &
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
eference du to requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/opt
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
ernal drive or >>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> >>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>>> >>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>>> >>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>> >>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He >>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the >>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you >>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could >>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>>> Thanks, Max >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would be. Thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi Max, > > Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and > fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't > believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not > an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to > be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may > not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work > with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. > Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although > the Air would be less expensive. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, > I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 > because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably > go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means > future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now > we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option > would be nice. thanks, max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD >> drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you >> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing >> to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can >> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, >> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user >> require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the >> everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, >> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The >> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving >> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You >> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so >> that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is >> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. >> >> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a >> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will >> do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 >> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make >> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go >> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with >> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but >> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it >> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or >> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >>> >>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >>> >>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to >>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Max, Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports. So, I don't believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar. I'm not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your iDevice. Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD > drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you > need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing > to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can > accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with > all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a > better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. > It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do > it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very > nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the > future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most > everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option > as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where > near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. > > So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a > power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will > do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 > GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make > sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all > in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac > book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without > the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so > much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd > player instead. what do you think? Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >> >> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >> >> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring >> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option would be nice. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD > drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you > need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing > to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can > accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with > all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a > better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. > It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do > it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very > nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the > future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most > everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option > as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where > near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. > > So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a > power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will > do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 > GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make > sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all > in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac > book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without > the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so > much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd > player instead. what do you think? Max > On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. >> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. >> >> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around >> >> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. >> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring >> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems >> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and >> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think >> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with >> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message becaus
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi, Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD drive anymore. When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing to spend. the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work. Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a better display? the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model. The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one. You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well. the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit. So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then the MacBook Air will do just fine. Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. > The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. > > The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around > > It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. > Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring > both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems > But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and > receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though > you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which > will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, > > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was > going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue > tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have > any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one > would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you c
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do a lot of online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch might be what I need. thanks, Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Hi Max, > > The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, > With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, > Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash > storage > And up to 8gb ram. > > Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they > only have sertain machines as general builds. > > The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the > same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. > > They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, > And a great battery life > > The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan > sizes, > And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. > > As do the prices. > > I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb > hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when > using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching tv > or movies in which case things drop by about 25% > > The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. > > The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. > > Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I > said it depends on your kind of usage. > > > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the > differences between the pro and air. thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > > > The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, > which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks > the expansion ports of a Mac. > > As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many > keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook > isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you > can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but > I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, > I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro > is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have > an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad > do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, > obviously. :) > On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max > hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff > on their cloud drive? thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > > > I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch > IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! > > I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I > miss something obvious? > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com > Phone: (704) 256-8010. > - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM > Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was > going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue > tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have > any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one > would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, pleas
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models > Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to > them than the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it > wasn't great for quad speakers. > > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max > hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff > on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, > Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >> >> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >> I miss something obvious? >> --- >> Christopher Gilland >> JAWS Certified, 2016. >> Training Instructor. >> >> clgillan...@gmail.com >> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. >> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that >> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about >> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad >> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac >> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is i
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. > The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. > > The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around > > It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. > Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring > both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems > But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and > receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though > you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which > will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, > > -Original Message- > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was > going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue > tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have > any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one > would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
I never knew my Air had an SD card slot. I feel really stupid. Peggy and Dixie Marie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones (what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes. I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my guide to all of Apple's Mac computers: http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs > On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Hi Max, > > The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, > With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, > Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash > storage > And up to 8gb ram. > > Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they > only have sertain machines as general builds. > > The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the > same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. > > They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, > And a great battery life > > The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan > sizes, > And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. > > As do the prices. > > I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb > hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when > using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching tv > or movies in which case things drop by about 25% > > The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. > > The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. > > Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I > said it depends on your kind of usage. > > > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the > differences between the pro and air. thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > > > The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, > which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks > the expansion ports of a Mac. > > As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many > keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook > isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you > can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but > I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, > I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro > is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have > an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad > do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, > obviously. :) > On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max > hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff > on their cloud drive? thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > > > I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch > IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! > > I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I > miss something obvious? > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com > Phone: (704) 256-8010. > - Original Message -
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones (what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes. I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my guide to all of Apple's Mac computers: http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs > On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Hi Max, > > The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, > With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, > Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash > storage > And up to 8gb ram. > > Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they > only have sertain machines as general builds. > > The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the > same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. > > They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, > And a great battery life > > The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan > sizes, > And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. > > As do the prices. > > I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb > hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when > using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching tv > or movies in which case things drop by about 25% > > The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. > > The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. > > Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I > said it depends on your kind of usage. > > > From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the > differences between the pro and air. thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > > > The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, > which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks > the expansion ports of a Mac. > > As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many > keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook > isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you > can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but > I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, > I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro > is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have > an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad > do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, > obviously. :) > On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max > hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff > on their cloud drive? thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > > > I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch > IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! > > I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I > miss something obvious? > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> > Phone: (704) 256-8010. > ----- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googleg
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi Max, The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size, With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range, Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash storage And up to 8gb ram. Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they only have sertain machines as general builds. The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge. They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds, And a great battery life The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan sizes, And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also. As do the prices. I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx unless I’m watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25% The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard. The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight. Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I said it depends on your kind of usage. From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the differences between the pro and air. thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks the expansion ports of a Mac. As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :) On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I miss something obvious? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailt
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the iPad air2 except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for quad speakers. -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch > IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! > > I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I > miss something obvious? > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com > Phone: (704) 256-8010. > - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM > Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. > He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that > with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about > everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad > pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac > book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is > Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is > Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- T
RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros. The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking. The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't. Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard, -Original Message- From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Hi. The reason why I'm not committed to iOS full time is the lack of support for third-party voices from Acapela and other dealers. So for me, my next computer will probably be a MacBook Air. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > > The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, > which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks > the expansion ports of a Mac. > > As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many > keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook > isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you > can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but > I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, > I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro > is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have > an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad > do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, > obviously. :) >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>> >>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >>> I miss something obvious? >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn -
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
It depends on what you need to do with it. That said, I will go with the iPad Pro 12.9. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Jul 2016, at 13:57, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was > going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue > tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have > any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one > would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the differences between the pro and air. thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, > which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks > the expansion ports of a Mac. > > As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many > keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook > isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you > can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but > I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, > I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro > is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have > an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad > do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, > obviously. :) >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max >> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of >> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >>> >>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >>> I miss something obvious? >>> --- >>> Christopher Gilland >>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>> Training Instructor. >>> >>> clgillan...@gmail.com >>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>> ----- Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >>> >>> >>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe fro
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks the expansion ports of a Mac. As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :) > On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max > hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff > on their cloud drive? thanks, max > On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 >> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! >> >> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did >> I miss something obvious? >> --- >> Christopher Gilland >> JAWS Certified, 2016. >> Training Instructor. >> >> clgillan...@gmail.com >> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM >> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? >> >> >> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was >> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue >> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have >> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one >> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the run
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Yeah, no the Air is a 9 inch. The Pro comes in 64GB, 128GB, or 256GB. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:15 PM Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I miss something obvious? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator i
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch > IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! > > I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I > miss something obvious? > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com > Phone: (704) 256-8010. > - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM > Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? > > > Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was > going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue > tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have > any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one > would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing! I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. Did I miss something obvious? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
