Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-10 Thread Gigi
Hi Gerard
I didn't see where anybody sent this to you, but when I bought numbers it was 
$21.64. Pages, which is I guess sort of like word, is the same amount. I did 
not need keynotes, which is presentation software.
Regards
Gigi

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 Subject: reading with text edit
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
 it.
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-10 Thread Gerard Doody
thanks a lot.  
Gerard Doody
jerrydood...@gmail.com



On Jun 10, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Gigi wrote:

Hi Gerard
I didn't see where anybody sent this to you, but when I bought numbers it was 
$21.64. Pages, which is I guess sort of like word, is the same amount. I did 
not need keynotes, which is presentation software.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

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 Subject: reading with text edit
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
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RE: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Kimsan
Quick question, text edit is it free? If not how much is it?



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
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Subject: reading with text edit

Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
use this program.

How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
it.

Thanks, May and Prince Noah

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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread John Panarese
 Text Edit is one of the applications that comes with the Mac.  No need to 
purchase it or such.  It should be in your applications folder or in your Dock 
by default.

Take Care

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On Jun 9, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Kimsan wrote:

 Quick question, text edit is it free? If not how much is it?
 
 
 
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 509.396.1646
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 Twitter:
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:37 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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 Subject: reading with text edit
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
 it.
 
 Thanks, May and Prince Noah
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Esther
Hi,

TextEdit is built into the MacOS X operating system, and can be found in the 
Applications folder.  So, yes, it is free, since it is installed with every 
Mac.  It's used primarily to create or read text documents, which can either be 
plain text or rich text format.

What may be of more interest to you, although May did not mention it, is that 
in TextEdit VoiceOver will read all sorts of special characters, including 
special math symbols, and characters for languages with non-Latin alphabets, 
even if you don't have voices for those languages (e.g., Greek alphabet, 
Cyrillic alphabet for Russian and other slavic languages), also emoji 
characters, etc. 

And if you select text in a Word document with an embedded table that VoiceOver 
wouldn't otherwise read out, and send use the New TextEdit Window Containing 
Selection service menu option (which you can enable by checking this option 
under System Preferences  Keyboard  Keyboard Shortcuts  for Services), then 
VoiceOver will read all text (including the tables) in that document from the 
TextEdit window.

As an aside, if anyone is interested in using TextEdit to copy over special 
characters, like emoji characters for messages, I wrote a description of how to 
do this in the AppleVis site's Forum just a day ago.  Look under the OS X  Mac 
App Discussion thread titled using the special character itim pallet.  I 
don't use the character palette for emoji, but you can get special math symbols 
or Cyrillic or Greek alphabet letters easily copied with this method of opening 
a TextEdit file and bringing up the Character Palette with Command-Option-T.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Jun 9, 2012, at 07:38, Kimsan wrote:

 Quick question, text edit is it free? If not how much is it?
 
 
 
 Kimsan Song Online Access Technology Trainer
 509.396.1646
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 Twitter:
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:37 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvoiceo...@freelists.org
 Subject: reading with text edit
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
 it.
 
 Thanks, May and Prince Noah
 

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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Gerard Doody
Hi all, Does text edit also allow you to create tables, or is numbers better? 
Gerard Doody
jerrydood...@gmail.com



On Jun 9, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Kimsan wrote:

Quick question, text edit is it free? If not how much is it?



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Subject: reading with text edit

Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
use this program.

How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
it.

Thanks, May and Prince Noah

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RE: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Kimsan
So text edit is akinda to whaat notepad is for windows?




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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread John Panarese
 Text Edit might be similar to Notepad, perhaps, but Text Edit is a full 
blown word Processor.  It might not have all of the features of a MS Word, but 
you will find that you can do a great deal with it.

Take Care

John Panarese
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On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Kimsan wrote:

 So text edit is akinda to whaat notepad is for windows?
 
 
 
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Esther
Hi Gerard,

If you are using Rich Text mode, TextEdit has a feature for creating tables, 
but you'd be better off using a dedicated application like Numbers.  Many 
people find Daniel Schwill's Tables application more intuitive to use, 
especially in the way that it references cells.  This is the application that 
we had before Numbers added VoiceOver accessibility, so there was VoiceOver 
user input to the developer. You might like that better unless you're a power 
user of spreadsheets, since Tables doesn't have good support for pivot table 
functions, etc.

You can get a trial download from:
http://www-x-tables.eu/
And I think he also offers an educational discount.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 9, 2012, at 08:49, Gerard Doody wrote:

 Hi all, Does text edit also allow you to create tables, or is numbers better? 
 Gerard Doody
 jerrydood...@gmail.com
 

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RE: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Kimsan
Thanks John.
I purchased my mac book pro a few months ago but being a two-person team at
www.BlindAccessTraining.com and  not having the time I would like to devote
to the mac, I am learning when I can.
With my business offering training only in windows and web design, the mac
has suffered great neglection these past few months.
However, now that my day job has let out and I am off for the summer, I plan
on devoting more time to exploring the macbook pro I have. Lol, I'm just
scared to touch it again and break something haha.



Kimsan Song Online Access Technology Trainer
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Subject: Re: reading with text edit

 Text Edit might be similar to Notepad, perhaps, but Text Edit is a full
blown word Processor.  It might not have all of the features of a MS Word,
but you will find that you can do a great deal with it.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Pete Nalda
Text Edit is free, and comes with MacOs. 

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 Quick question, text edit is it free? If not how much is it?
 
 
 
 Kimsan Song Online Access Technology Trainer
 509.396.1646
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 Twitter:
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:37 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvoiceo...@freelists.org
 Subject: reading with text edit
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not
 it.
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread John Panarese
 You really can't break anything on the Mac unless you really go out of the 
way to try.  Just take it little by little and choose small battles first.  
Also, don't fall back on your Windows mindset or expectations as you use the 
Mac.  Learn the Mac and VoiceOver as a different OS and screen reader.  It's no 
different than when you learned Windows.  Keep that in perspective as you go 
along.


Take Care

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On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Kimsan wrote:

 Thanks John.
 I purchased my mac book pro a few months ago but being a two-person team at
 www.BlindAccessTraining.com and  not having the time I would like to devote
 to the mac, I am learning when I can.
 With my business offering training only in windows and web design, the mac
 has suffered great neglection these past few months.
 However, now that my day job has let out and I am off for the summer, I plan
 on devoting more time to exploring the macbook pro I have. Lol, I'm just
 scared to touch it again and break something haha.
 
 
 
 Kimsan Song Online Access Technology Trainer
 509.396.1646
 www.BlindAccessTraining.com
 Twitter:
 http://twitter.com/#!/blindaccess
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 12:19 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: reading with text edit
 
 Text Edit might be similar to Notepad, perhaps, but Text Edit is a full
 blown word Processor.  It might not have all of the features of a MS Word,
 but you will find that you can do a great deal with it.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Kimsan wrote:
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-09 Thread Gerard Doody
Thanks very much.  I just want to create simple spreadsheets though when I 
tried with text edit, it didn't seem to work well.  thanks again for the tip. 
Gerard Doody
jerrydood...@gmail.com



On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Gerard,

If you are using Rich Text mode, TextEdit has a feature for creating tables, 
but you'd be better off using a dedicated application like Numbers.  Many 
people find Daniel Schwill's Tables application more intuitive to use, 
especially in the way that it references cells.  This is the application that 
we had before Numbers added VoiceOver accessibility, so there was VoiceOver 
user input to the developer. You might like that better unless you're a power 
user of spreadsheets, since Tables doesn't have good support for pivot table 
functions, etc.

You can get a trial download from:
http://www-x-tables.eu/
And I think he also offers an educational discount.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 9, 2012, at 08:49, Gerard Doody wrote:

 Hi all, Does text edit also allow you to create tables, or is numbers better? 
 Gerard Doody
 jerrydood...@gmail.com
 

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reading with text edit

2012-06-03 Thread May McDonald
Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I use 
this program.

How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you stop 
it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not it.

Thanks, May and Prince Noah

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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-03 Thread Daniel McGee
Hi May, first of all I would advise interacting with the document in question 
because if you was going through it line by line, if you did a say all with 
Command A, voiceover will start from the very top. This is why when I'm working 
with documents, I always interact with it 1st because then whenever I do the 
say all command no matter where I am in the document Voiceover will read from 
that current position and will keep track of it when you stop. 

This is how I deal with documents and I hope it helps you. LOL I remember what 
it was like in the beginning. I should mention that I don't use Text Edit. I 
use a app called Bean but I'm making an educated guess that it will apply to 
any text/word  

  Daniel
On 3 Jun 2012, at 20:36, May McDonald wrote:

 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I use 
 this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you 
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not 
 it.
 
 Thanks, May and Prince Noah
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-03 Thread May McDonald
Awesome thanks. That will help for now.

May and Prince Noah
On 2012-06-03, at 3:47 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

 Hi May, first of all I would advise interacting with the document in question 
 because if you was going through it line by line, if you did a say all with 
 Command A, voiceover will start from the very top. This is why when I'm 
 working with documents, I always interact with it 1st because then whenever I 
 do the say all command no matter where I am in the document Voiceover will 
 read from that current position and will keep track of it when you stop. 
 
 This is how I deal with documents and I hope it helps you. LOL I remember 
 what it was like in the beginning. I should mention that I don't use Text 
 Edit. I use a app called Bean but I'm making an educated guess that it will 
 apply to any text/word  
 
  Daniel
 On 3 Jun 2012, at 20:36, May McDonald wrote:
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I 
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you 
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not 
 it.
 
 Thanks, May and Prince Noah
 
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Re: reading with text edit

2012-06-03 Thread Daniel McGee
no problem, glad I could help!
On 3 Jun 2012, at 20:59, May McDonald wrote:

 Awesome thanks. That will help for now.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 On 2012-06-03, at 3:47 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
 
 Hi May, first of all I would advise interacting with the document in 
 question because if you was going through it line by line, if you did a say 
 all with Command A, voiceover will start from the very top. This is why when 
 I'm working with documents, I always interact with it 1st because then 
 whenever I do the say all command no matter where I am in the document 
 Voiceover will read from that current position and will keep track of it 
 when you stop. 
 
 This is how I deal with documents and I hope it helps you. LOL I remember 
 what it was like in the beginning. I should mention that I don't use Text 
 Edit. I use a app called Bean but I'm making an educated guess that it will 
 apply to any text/word  
 
 Daniel
 On 3 Jun 2012, at 20:36, May McDonald wrote:
 
 Ok, for the life of me I can't remember how to do this. Shows how often I 
 use this program.
 
 How do you get text edit to read from top of the document? Also, once you 
 stop it how to resume it from where you left off. Control, command b is not 
 it.
 
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Re: continuous reading in text edit

2010-10-25 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Mary,

I suspect that you have TextEdit set to Wrap to Page, rather than Wrap to 
window. To change this setting, just press Cmd-Shift-W.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Oct 2010, at 04:10, Mary Otten wrote:

 A friend just sent me a 9-page document, an rtf file that came up in text 
 edit when I clicked on the attachment. If I press vo-a the first page is 
 read, and then reading stops. I press vo-a again and page 2 is read, and so 
 on until the end of the document. I would expect vo-a to read and keep on 
 reading without me needing to press vo-a again after each page is completed. 
 Is there some setting I can change in text edit to make that happen?
 
 Mary
 
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Re: continuous reading in text edit

2010-10-25 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Ian,
I did interact with my multi-page text document. If I didn't do that, it 
wouldn't read at all.

Mary

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Re: continuous reading in text edit

2010-10-25 Thread Mike Arrigo
Hi Mary, interact with the text area first, then do the say all command.
On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

 A friend just sent me a 9-page document, an rtf file that came up in text 
 edit when I clicked on the attachment. If I press vo-a the first page is 
 read, and then reading stops. I press vo-a again and page 2 is read, and so 
 on until the end of the document. I would expect vo-a to read and keep on 
 reading without me needing to press vo-a again after each page is completed. 
 Is there some setting I can change in text edit to make that happen?
 
 Mary
 
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Re: continuous reading in text edit

2010-10-25 Thread Mike Arrigo
This is just a thought, try going in to the view menu and hiding things like 
the tool bar, basically hide everything you can in this menu and see if that 
makes a difference. Sometimes these elements can draw the focus away from the 
main text.
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 Hi Ian,
 I did interact with my multi-page text document. If I didn't do that, it 
 wouldn't read at all.
 
 Mary
 
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continuous reading in text edit

2010-10-24 Thread Mary Otten
A friend just sent me a 9-page document, an rtf file that came up in text edit 
when I clicked on the attachment. If I press vo-a the first page is read, and 
then reading stops. I press vo-a again and page 2 is read, and so on until the 
end of the document. I would expect vo-a to read and keep on reading without me 
needing to press vo-a again after each page is completed. Is there some setting 
I can change in text edit to make that happen?

Mary

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Re: continuous reading in text edit

2010-10-24 Thread Ian McNamara
that's odd as mine does that ok. never had to do anything to make it read the 
whole thing you could try interacting with the document and see if that makes 
any diffrence. 

Ian McNamara

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Reading with Text Edit?

2009-11-15 Thread Dan Roy

I am running with snowy version 10.6.2, and, I have all updates installed.

However, I continue to have problems reading files with text edit.  I can 
navigate fine using up down left right etc. However, any time I stop, if I do 
any function other than that, the cursor seems to jump back to the beginning of 
the file.  So, if I ever hit VO-A to start reading to end, of course, it starts 
reading at the beginning.  It isn't just vo-A that does this, it's doing any 
function at all.  I have already tried turning off cursor tracking and messing 
around with the preferences in tex edit, nothing seems to work.

This doesn't appear to be true with all files, but, certainly, with most of 
them.

yes, I have tried saving as a RTF file and other things like that, still no joy!

Does anyone have any pointers on this?



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Re: Reading with Text Edit?

2009-11-15 Thread James Nash

Hi 

Before I start typing or reading in any text application, I always interact 
with the edit area. This seems to provide better results. You interact with VO 
+Shift +Down arrow. Also, in Text Edit, I've found that selecting the option 
wrap to window seems to improve things quite a bit too. 

Text Edit has the ability to read many file formats including .doc and .docx 
the Office 07 native format. There should be no need for you to convert the 
file types. 

HTH
TC
James 
On 15 Nov 2009, at 20:13, Dan Roy wrote:

 
 I am running with snowy version 10.6.2, and, I have all updates installed.
 
 However, I continue to have problems reading files with text edit.  I can 
 navigate fine using up down left right etc. However, any time I stop, if I do 
 any function other than that, the cursor seems to jump back to the beginning 
 of the file.  So, if I ever hit VO-A to start reading to end, of course, it 
 starts reading at the beginning.  It isn't just vo-A that does this, it's 
 doing any function at all.  I have already tried turning off cursor tracking 
 and messing around with the preferences in tex edit, nothing seems to work.
 
 This doesn't appear to be true with all files, but, certainly, with most of 
 them.
 
 yes, I have tried saving as a RTF file and other things like that, still no 
 joy!
 
 Does anyone have any pointers on this?
 
 
 
  


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Re: Reading with Text Edit?

2009-11-15 Thread Dan Roy

James:

It's amazing, I know all about interacting, but, sometimes, I forget that it's 
something you should try before putting out emails, hm!  I did interact 
with the text and turned on wrap to window, it seems to be reading much better. 
 However, now, it's putting blank lines in strange places and in others, blank 
lines seem to be missing so that lines are run together.

Originally, this was an office 97 file in .doc format.  I changed it to RTF 
because, I was thinking, they might be using a strange font or something.

Anyway, other than the blank line weirdness, when interacting with the text, it 
does seem to read ok.  Thanks for the heads up on this 1.


On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:36 PM, James  Nash wrote:

 
 Hi 
 
 Before I start typing or reading in any text application, I always interact 
 with the edit area. This seems to provide better results. You interact with 
 VO +Shift +Down arrow. Also, in Text Edit, I've found that selecting the 
 option wrap to window seems to improve things quite a bit too. 
 
 Text Edit has the ability to read many file formats including .doc and .docx 
 the Office 07 native format. There should be no need for you to convert the 
 file types. 
 
 HTH
 TC
 James 
 On 15 Nov 2009, at 20:13, Dan Roy wrote:
 
 
 I am running with snowy version 10.6.2, and, I have all updates installed.
 
 However, I continue to have problems reading files with text edit.  I can 
 navigate fine using up down left right etc. However, any time I stop, if I 
 do any function other than that, the cursor seems to jump back to the 
 beginning of the file.  So, if I ever hit VO-A to start reading to end, of 
 course, it starts reading at the beginning.  It isn't just vo-A that does 
 this, it's doing any function at all.  I have already tried turning off 
 cursor tracking and messing around with the preferences in tex edit, nothing 
 seems to work.
 
 This doesn't appear to be true with all files, but, certainly, with most of 
 them.
 
 yes, I have tried saving as a RTF file and other things like that, still no 
 joy!
 
 Does anyone have any pointers on this?
 
 
 
 
 
 
  


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