Re: some questions, and a request for help regarding my new Apple watch series 8 of the watch.

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is a builtin feature to have a tone on the hour, I believe it is in the 
accessibility section. I have my set up to have a robin chirp every hour. I 
believe they recorded a bird in the Apple park.
You can check the battery status of your watch in the battery widget of  your 
phone. I believe it also shows up in the Watch app on the phone.
The mirroring of the watch onto your iPhone requires the IOS 16 software that 
came out last month.



Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:21 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Good evening everyone, my subject line states I have some questions regarding 
> my new Apple watch. The first question is are there any that can run on the 
> watch that will allow the watch to give me a once in our. If someone knows 
> about and am that will allow me to do this, as well as be accessible while 
> using voiceover, please feel free to let me know if you know of any good 
> accessible applications.
> 
> 
> I next question as to do more with battery life, and finding that it is 
> typical that I am getting roughly 24 hours plus from the battery that is in 
> listening watch. That brings me to another question must I use my phone, to 
> find out what the battery level is on the watch? My final question is based 
> on what I've read the output of the watch can be mirrored on some the other 
> devices, such as my phone or Mac computer. Is this true?
> 
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
> 
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Re: some questions, and a request for help regarding my new Apple watch series 8 of the watch.

[Bradford Snyder]

You can also add a Battery complication to a watch face, that will tell you the 
battery’s charge level.

- Brad -



On Oct 2, 2022, at 22:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Maurice,

First, you can make your watch chime on the hour.  Either on your watch or your 
phone, go into Settings, then Clock, then turn on Chimes.  You can then choose 
whether to have a chime or a bird song.

Second, to access the battery level on your watch, swipe left—if your watch 
hand is pointing at your opposite hand, to open the control center.  From 
there, you can swipe down until you hear the battery level spoken.

I’m not sure what you’re asking in your third question.  Can you give us an 
example?
Best,
Donna

> On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:21 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Good evening everyone, my subject line states I have some questions regarding 
> my new Apple watch. The first question is are there any that can run on the 
> watch that will allow the watch to give me a once in our. If someone knows 
> about and am that will allow me to do this, as well as be accessible while 
> using voiceover, please feel free to let me know if you know of any good 
> accessible applications.
> 
> 
> I next question as to do more with battery life, and finding that it is 
> typical that I am getting roughly 24 hours plus from the battery that is in 
> listening watch. That brings me to another question must I use my phone, to 
> find out what the battery level is on the watch? My final question is based 
> on what I've read the output of the watch can be mirrored on some the other 
> devices, such as my phone or Mac computer. Is this true?
> 
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
> 
> Note number one, just be aware that the above text has been dictated to the 
> computer by using dictation software. If there are mistakes in the text 
> above, they certainly aren't intended. The errors are the result of too much 
> background noise, or other unforeseen errors that have occurred while 
> dictating this. Number two this email is being done on a Windows machine, 
> simply because the dictation hardware only exists full-blown Windows machine. 
> This is because there is no dictation software that is comparable to Dragon 
> the Mac world. Thank you for reading this.
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Re: some questions, and a request for help regarding my new Apple watch series 8 of the watch.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Maurice,

First, you can make your watch chime on the hour.  Either on your watch or your 
phone, go into Settings, then Clock, then turn on Chimes.  You can then choose 
whether to have a chime or a bird song.

Second, to access the battery level on your watch, swipe left—if your watch 
hand is pointing at your opposite hand, to open the control center.  From 
there, you can swipe down until you hear the battery level spoken.

I’m not sure what you’re asking in your third question.  Can you give us an 
example?
Best,
Donna

> On Oct 2, 2022, at 7:21 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Good evening everyone, my subject line states I have some questions regarding 
> my new Apple watch. The first question is are there any that can run on the 
> watch that will allow the watch to give me a once in our. If someone knows 
> about and am that will allow me to do this, as well as be accessible while 
> using voiceover, please feel free to let me know if you know of any good 
> accessible applications.
> 
> 
> I next question as to do more with battery life, and finding that it is 
> typical that I am getting roughly 24 hours plus from the battery that is in 
> listening watch. That brings me to another question must I use my phone, to 
> find out what the battery level is on the watch? My final question is based 
> on what I've read the output of the watch can be mirrored on some the other 
> devices, such as my phone or Mac computer. Is this true?
> 
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
> 
> Note number one, just be aware that the above text has been dictated to the 
> computer by using dictation software. If there are mistakes in the text 
> above, they certainly aren't intended. The errors are the result of too much 
> background noise, or other unforeseen errors that have occurred while 
> dictating this. Number two this email is being done on a Windows machine, 
> simply because the dictation hardware only exists full-blown Windows machine. 
> This is because there is no dictation software that is comparable to Dragon 
> the Mac world. Thank you for reading this.
> 
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some questions, and a request for help regarding my new Apple watch series 8 of the watch.

[maurice mines]

Good evening everyone, my subject line states I have some questions 
regarding my new Apple watch. The first question is are there any that 
can run on the watch that will allow the watch to give me a once in our. 
If someone knows about and am that will allow me to do this, as well as 
be accessible while using voiceover, please feel free to let me know if 
you know of any good accessible applications.



I next question as to do more with battery life, and finding that it is 
typical that I am getting roughly 24 hours plus from the battery that is 
in listening watch. That brings me to another question must I use my 
phone, to find out what the battery level is on the watch? My final 
question is based on what I've read the output of the watch can be 
mirrored on some the other devices, such as my phone or Mac computer. Is 
this true?



Sincerely Maurice Mines.


Note number one, just be aware that the above text has been dictated to 
the computer by using dictation software. If there are mistakes in the 
text above, they certainly aren't intended. The errors are the result of 
too much background noise, or other unforeseen errors that have occurred 
while dictating this. Number two this email is being done on a Windows 
machine, simply because the dictation hardware only exists full-blown 
Windows machine. This is because there is no dictation software that is 
comparable to Dragon the Mac world. Thank you for reading this.


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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

[Shannon Dyer]

I didn’t know this was an option. I’ll definitely give it a try.



> On Jan 19, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> If you are checking the word count often in your document, you can set a hot 
> spot for the word count.
> For example press VO-Shift-5 to set hot spot five.
> You can then check the contents of that hotspot with VO-command-5 without 
> losing your place. 
> THe VO-command (number) commands will read the hot spot in question and not 
> move any cursors. 
> I suppose if you doing this quite often it might be worth while setting a 
> commander to read the hot spot. Option-W or numpad minus are probably easier 
> for most people to type than the standard VO key.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 14:05, Shannon Dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much! This worked perfectly!
>> 
>> Shannon
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:52 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When in your Pages document, stop interacting with the document area.  Stop 
>>> interacting enough times to hear the tink noise, then VO-left once.  You 
>>> should hear VO say “Word Count, X number of words.”  If it does not, the 
>>> Word counter may not yet be visible, so press cmd-shift-w to make it 
>>> visible.  Notice that it is announced as a menu item.  This means that you 
>>> can VO-space on the word counter item and you will be presented with other 
>>> counters such as the character counter, line counter etc.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:54, Shannon Dyer >>> > wrote:
 
 Good afternoon all,
 
 I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of 
 the word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it 
 and somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain 
 settings I need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the 
 program. Right now, I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask 
 for the word count to be displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read 
 out the count. I’m guessing I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure 
 exactly what that might be.
 
 I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.
 
 Shannon
 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

If you are checking the word count often in your document, you can set a hot 
spot for the word count.
For example press VO-Shift-5 to set hot spot five.
You can then check the contents of that hotspot with VO-command-5 without 
losing your place. 
THe VO-command (number) commands will read the hot spot in question and not 
move any cursors. 
I suppose if you doing this quite often it might be worth while setting a 
commander to read the hot spot. Option-W or numpad minus are probably easier 
for most people to type than the standard VO key.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 18, 2022, at 14:05, Shannon Dyer  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much! This worked perfectly!
> 
> Shannon
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:52 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When in your Pages document, stop interacting with the document area.  Stop 
>> interacting enough times to hear the tink noise, then VO-left once.  You 
>> should hear VO say “Word Count, X number of words.”  If it does not, the 
>> Word counter may not yet be visible, so press cmd-shift-w to make it 
>> visible.  Notice that it is announced as a menu item.  This means that you 
>> can VO-space on the word counter item and you will be presented with other 
>> counters such as the character counter, line counter etc.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:54, Shannon Dyer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good afternoon all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of 
>>> the word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it 
>>> and somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain 
>>> settings I need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the 
>>> program. Right now, I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask 
>>> for the word count to be displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read 
>>> out the count. I’m guessing I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure 
>>> exactly what that might be.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.
>>> 
>>> Shannon
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

[Shannon Dyer]

Thank you so much! This worked perfectly!

Shannon

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:52 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When in your Pages document, stop interacting with the document area.  Stop 
> interacting enough times to hear the tink noise, then VO-left once.  You 
> should hear VO say “Word Count, X number of words.”  If it does not, the Word 
> counter may not yet be visible, so press cmd-shift-w to make it visible.  
> Notice that it is announced as a menu item.  This means that you can VO-space 
> on the word counter item and you will be presented with other counters such 
> as the character counter, line counter etc.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:54, Shannon Dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon all,
>> 
>> I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of the 
>> word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it and 
>> somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain 
>> settings I need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the 
>> program. Right now, I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask 
>> for the word count to be displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read 
>> out the count. I’m guessing I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure 
>> exactly what that might be.
>> 
>> I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.
>> 
>> Shannon
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When in your Pages document, stop interacting with the document area.  Stop 
interacting enough times to hear the tink noise, then VO-left once.  You should 
hear VO say “Word Count, X number of words.”  If it does not, the Word counter 
may not yet be visible, so press cmd-shift-w to make it visible.  Notice that 
it is announced as a menu item.  This means that you can VO-space on the word 
counter item and you will be presented with other counters such as the 
character counter, line counter etc.

Later…


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> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:54, Shannon Dyer  wrote:
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> Good afternoon all,
> 
> I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of the 
> word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it and 
> somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain settings 
> I need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the program. Right 
> now, I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask for the word 
> count to be displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read out the count. 
> I’m guessing I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure exactly what that 
> might be.
> 
> I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.
> 
> Shannon
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I believe if you stop interacting with the body of the document and VO right 
arrow a few times, it should say the word count if you have it enabled. There 
are several guides to using pages on the applevis website that might be helpful 
for you.

Greg Wocher


> On Jan 17, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Shannon Dyer  wrote:
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> Good afternoon all,
> 
> I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of the 
> word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it and 
> somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain settings 
> I need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the program. Right 
> now, I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask for the word 
> count to be displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read out the count. 
> I’m guessing I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure exactly what that 
> might be.
> 
> I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.
> 
> Shannon
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Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

[Shannon Dyer]

Good afternoon all,

I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of the 
word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it and 
somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain settings I 
need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the program. Right now, 
I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask for the word count to be 
displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read out the count. I’m guessing 
I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure exactly what that might be.

I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.

Shannon

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RE: I just downloaded the Win 10 2019.03 file, now some questions.

[Simon Fogarty]

If your using bootcamp then you don't need to turn file volt off,

At least you never use to need to,

 Bootcamp will sort that out for you.

-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2019 4:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I just downloaded the Win 10 2019.03 file, now some questions.

hi,

Thanks a lot for that information I certainly appreciate it.

I guess the remaining question is about FileVault. Of course I would turn 
FileVault off before doing the windows install. However at a later point can I 
turn FileVault back on for OS 10?

Thank you


Dan


> On May 22, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Hi, when windows starts up, you will have no speech thru your mac speakers, 
> or your headphone jack, if your using a mac from 2018.
> 
> To here narrator, you'll need a USB headset,or a USB soundcard that doesn't 
> require a driver to be installed.
> 
> I've had no problem with the chip, when installing windows with bootcamp.  in 
> fact, I just installed 1903 this morning.
> 
> btw you don't need a USB drive, for the iso file, bootcamp will take care of 
> that for you.
> 
>> On 5/22/2019 12:29 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> As the subject says, I just downloaded the latest release of windows 10.
>> Now some questions.
>> 
>> The T2 Chip.
>> By default the T2 chip is set to no boot from external drives. Does this 
>> include additional bootable partitions such as that created using Boot Camp? 
>> Should I set the security boot app in the recovery partition to allow 
>> booting from other drives?
>> 
>> Filevault.
>> While I know that I should disable Filevault while installing Windows, can I 
>> reactivate it after the installation is done? Or will this have adverse 
>> affects?
>> 
>> Audio.
>> Will the T2 chip pose problems with 3.5 MM headphones use while installing 
>> windows using Narrator?
>> 
>> Any ideas or suggestions?
>> Thanks guys.
>> 
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Re: I just downloaded the Win 10 2019.03 file, now some questions.

[Matt]

Hi, no idea about file valt.

On 5/22/2019 12:50 PM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries wrote:

hi,

Thanks a lot for that information I certainly appreciate it.

I guess the remaining question is about FileVault. Of course I would turn 
FileVault off before doing the windows install. However at a later point can I 
turn FileVault back on for OS 10?

Thank you


Dan



On May 22, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Matt  wrote:

Hi, when windows starts up, you will have no speech thru your mac speakers, or 
your headphone jack, if your using a mac from 2018.

To here narrator, you'll need a USB headset,or a USB soundcard that doesn't 
require a driver to be installed.

I've had no problem with the chip, when installing windows with bootcamp.  in 
fact, I just installed 1903 this morning.

btw you don't need a USB drive, for the iso file, bootcamp will take care of 
that for you.


On 5/22/2019 12:29 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hello list,
As the subject says, I just downloaded the latest release of windows 10.
Now some questions.

The T2 Chip.
By default the T2 chip is set to no boot from external drives. Does this 
include additional bootable partitions such as that created using Boot Camp? 
Should I set the security boot app in the recovery partition to allow booting 
from other drives?

Filevault.
While I know that I should disable Filevault while installing Windows, can I 
reactivate it after the installation is done? Or will this have adverse affects?

Audio.
Will the T2 chip pose problems with 3.5 MM headphones use while installing 
windows using Narrator?

Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks guys.


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Re: I just downloaded the Win 10 2019.03 file, now some questions.

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

hi,

Thanks a lot for that information I certainly appreciate it.

I guess the remaining question is about FileVault. Of course I would turn 
FileVault off before doing the windows install. However at a later point can I 
turn FileVault back on for OS 10?

Thank you


Dan


> On May 22, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Hi, when windows starts up, you will have no speech thru your mac speakers, 
> or your headphone jack, if your using a mac from 2018.
> 
> To here narrator, you'll need a USB headset,or a USB soundcard that doesn't 
> require a driver to be installed.
> 
> I've had no problem with the chip, when installing windows with bootcamp.  in 
> fact, I just installed 1903 this morning.
> 
> btw you don't need a USB drive, for the iso file, bootcamp will take care of 
> that for you.
> 
>> On 5/22/2019 12:29 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> As the subject says, I just downloaded the latest release of windows 10.
>> Now some questions.
>> 
>> The T2 Chip.
>> By default the T2 chip is set to no boot from external drives. Does this 
>> include additional bootable partitions such as that created using Boot Camp? 
>> Should I set the security boot app in the recovery partition to allow 
>> booting from other drives?
>> 
>> Filevault.
>> While I know that I should disable Filevault while installing Windows, can I 
>> reactivate it after the installation is done? Or will this have adverse 
>> affects?
>> 
>> Audio.
>> Will the T2 chip pose problems with 3.5 MM headphones use while installing 
>> windows using Narrator?
>> 
>> Any ideas or suggestions?
>> Thanks guys.
>> 
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Re: I just downloaded the Win 10 2019.03 file, now some questions.

[Matt]

Hi, when windows starts up, you will have no speech thru your mac 
speakers, or your headphone jack, if your using a mac from 2018.


To here narrator, you'll need a USB headset,or a USB soundcard that 
doesn't require a driver to be installed.


I've had no problem with the chip, when installing windows with 
bootcamp.  in fact, I just installed 1903 this morning.


btw you don't need a USB drive, for the iso file, bootcamp will take 
care of that for you.


On 5/22/2019 12:29 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello list,
As the subject says, I just downloaded the latest release of windows 10.
Now some questions.

The T2 Chip.
By default the T2 chip is set to no boot from external drives. Does this 
include additional bootable partitions such as that created using Boot Camp? 
Should I set the security boot app in the recovery partition to allow booting 
from other drives?

Filevault.
While I know that I should disable Filevault while installing Windows, can I 
reactivate it after the installation is done? Or will this have adverse affects?

Audio.
Will the T2 chip pose problems with 3.5 MM headphones use while installing 
windows using Narrator?

Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks guys.



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I just downloaded the Win 10 2019.03 file, now some questions.

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hello list,
As the subject says, I just downloaded the latest release of windows 10.
Now some questions.

The T2 Chip.
By default the T2 chip is set to no boot from external drives. Does this 
include additional bootable partitions such as that created using Boot Camp? 
Should I set the security boot app in the recovery partition to allow booting 
from other drives?

Filevault.
While I know that I should disable Filevault while installing Windows, can I 
reactivate it after the installation is done? Or will this have adverse affects?

Audio.
Will the T2 chip pose problems with 3.5 MM headphones use while installing 
windows using Narrator?

Any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks guys.

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Re: Iphone XR some questions before i start.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, pressing the power button three times quickly (it's now referred to 
by Apple as the "side button") should start VoiceOver.



To reach the Home Screen, slide one finger up from the very bottom of 
the screen until the second beep is heard. (There should be a slight 
vibration as well.)



For App Switcher, it's the same gesture, but continuing further up the 
screen until the third tone.



Searching for iPhone X discussion should reveal anything on Applevis.com 
or elsewhere that is relevant.



On 2/3/19 10:11 AM, Robin wrote:
Try Triple Clickin the Power button as I Believe it has incorporated 
some of the  Features, which were associated with the Home Button

At 06:40 AM 2/3/2019, you wrote:

Hi!
Before i start  unpacking my Iphone XR i would like to have som tips 
on how to get started.
For example, how do i start Voiceover without home button and since 
there’s no home button how do i get to the home screen?
I have tried to find podcast regarding Iphone  XR on appleVis but 
haven’t found any.

Maybe because i did  a faulty search.
BUt any help is appreciated.
/A

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Re: Iphone XR some questions before i start.

[Robin]

Try Triple Clickin the Power button as I Believe 
it has incorporated  some of the  Features, which 
were associated with the Home Button

At 06:40 AM 2/3/2019, you wrote:

Hi!
Before i start  unpacking my Iphone XR i would 
like to have som tips on how to get started.
For example, how do i start Voiceover without 
home button and since there’s no home button how do i get to the home screen?
I have tried to find podcast regarding 
Iphone  XR on appleVis but haven’t found any.

Maybe because i did  a faulty search.
BUt any help is appreciated.
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Iphone XR some questions before i start.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Before i start  unpacking my Iphone XR i would like to have som tips on how to 
get started.
For example, how do i start Voiceover without home button and since there’s no 
home button how do i get to the home screen?
I have tried to find podcast regarding Iphone  XR on appleVis but haven’t found 
any.
Maybe because i did  a faulty search.
BUt any help is appreciated.
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon,
Somebody on another list I'm on said that skim did not re-continuously for them 
either. I guess I will try it, because I think it's a free program, so I don't 
have anything to lose. But having seen that report, and having read a thing on 
the Applevis site, I decided to try the Acrobat product first. So when that 
didn't work, I was pretty bummed. I might be doing something wrong with it, 
since others have reported better success. But I don't know what it might be. 
It looks like PDF pen cost $75. That's a lot to pay for an experiment that 
might go bust. It also does a lot more than I actually need or want it to do. 
Still hoping. But I'm getting closer and closer to a Windows machine.
Mary

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:57 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary 
> 
> A few weeks back someone mentioned an app for the Mac called I think it was 
> Skim for reading PDF files,
> It's an open source product if I remember correctly and accessible.
> 
> Would it be worth while investigating?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017 7:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
> seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
> though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
> for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
> necessarily a Preview app bug.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
> Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
> might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
> really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
> can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
>> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
>> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
>> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is 
>> an issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt 
>> with.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
>> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
>> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would 
>> appear that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. 
>> That is unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of 
>> page 1, I want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and 
>> continue, such as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. 
>> Anyway, is there anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page 
>> with some text, I'm told that there are such and so many items, and I can't 
>> get a continuous read to go all the way through. In other words, this is as 
>> screwed up as it ever was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? 
>> I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more 
>> about that app before I pay for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. 
>> I'm really not that demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have 
>> been able to do on windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a 
>> decent screen reader.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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RE: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Mary 

A few weeks back someone mentioned an app for the Mac called I think it was 
Skim for reading PDF files,
 It's an open source product if I remember correctly and accessible.

Would it be worth while investigating?

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Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017 7:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

Hi Mary,

I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
necessarily a Preview app bug.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is an 
> issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear 
> that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is 
> unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I 
> want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such 
> as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there 
> anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm 
> told that there are such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read 
> to go all the way through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever 
> was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying 
>  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay 
> for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that 
> demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have been able to do on 
> windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi ET,

Basically, you're correct.  Although in this case, the form fields in the pdf's 
were visible to apps like PDFPen Pro, and were usable by sighted users of the 
Preview app.  These same form fields were not accessible though to us as VO 
users.  So, in this case, whether I had a properly labelled form or not, I 
could not use Preview to work within the form itself other than to read textual 
information.  If I remember correctly, Preview would not even read the contents 
of the field after text had been entered using a different pdf app.  So, 
improvements were made in Preview with respect to its accessibility in one 
respect, but to the detriment of other aspects of it's usability from a VO 
prospective.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2017, at 17:15, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  Interesting topic. In essence, is it not true that accessibility ultimately 
is up to the document creator;s efforts, or lack thereof, therefore no PDF app 
can overcome the lack of accessibility?

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 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/29/2017 11:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi Mary,
> I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
> seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
> though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
> for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
> necessarily a Preview app bug.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
> Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
> might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
> really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
> can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
> Mary
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
>> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
>> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
>> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is 
>> an issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt 
>> with.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
>> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
>> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would 
>> appear that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. 
>> That is unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of 
>> page 1, I want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and 
>> continue, such as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. 
>> Anyway, is there anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page 
>> with some text, I'm told that there are such and so many items, and I can't 
>> get a continuous read to go all the way through. In other words, this is as 
>> screwed up as it ever was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? 
>> I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more 
>> about that app before I pay for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. 
>> I'm really not that demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have 
>> been able to do on windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a 
>> decent screen reader.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[E.T.]

Tim,
   Interesting topic. In essence, is it not true that accessibility 
ultimately is up to the document creator;s efforts, or lack thereof, 
therefore no PDF app can overcome the lack of accessibility?


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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/29/2017 11:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Mary,

I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
necessarily a Preview app bug.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Mary,

Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though where 
it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is an issue 
for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:

I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in preview 
and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear that you 
have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is unnecessary in 
my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I want to read 
straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such as if there is 
a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there anyway to actually 
get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm told that there are 
such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read to go all the way 
through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever was. What am I 
missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I 
would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay for it and 
find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that demanding. I just 
want to be able to do what you have been able to do on windows for probably a 
decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
Mary


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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Mary Otten]

Well, in my continuing attempt to find something that works on the Mac, I just 
tried the Adobe acrobat DC or something like that. It had some reasonably 
positive reviews on Apple Vis, at least as far as being able to read 
continuously is concerned. Unfortunately, the PDF documents I tried it on, no 
go. I set the preferences for screen readers that are recommended. I loaded a 
38 page document into the reader, found the pain which containeded  the 
document, somehow found the table of contents, which I'm not quite sure how, 
because at first it didn't show up. Click on an item in the table of contents. 
And then I tried to read continuously with voiceover plus a period and it 
didn't work. I interacted twice, once just with the content and then again 
where it said in text. And I just can't get that to re-continuously either. 
This is extremely frustrating. Surely there is a reader out there with which 
you can actually use voiceover. This should be so basic. I mean just to simply 
read a document.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
> seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
> though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
> for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
> necessarily a Preview app bug.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
> Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
> might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
> really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
> can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
>> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
>> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
>> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is 
>> an issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt 
>> with.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
>> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
>> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would 
>> appear that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. 
>> That is unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of 
>> page 1, I want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and 
>> continue, such as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. 
>> Anyway, is there anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page 
>> with some text, I'm told that there are such and so many items, and I can't 
>> get a continuous read to go all the way through. In other words, this is as 
>> screwed up as it ever was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? 
>> I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more 
>> about that app before I pay for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. 
>> I'm really not that demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have 
>> been able to do on windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a 
>> decent screen reader.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Tim,
I don't mind paying for apps. Of course, I would like the free preview app to 
do what I want, smile. And form filling is not a high priority for me at this 
point, especially since form creation is often the issue, rather than just 
having the actual edit field technically accessible but without a proper label. 
Have you ever used the skim app? Again, it's not free. I don't mind paying. But 
before I do so, I would sort of like to know if it's actually going to do what 
I want.
.

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> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
> seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
> though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
> for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
> necessarily a Preview app bug.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
> Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
> might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
> really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
> can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
>> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
>> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
>> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is 
>> an issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt 
>> with.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
>> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
>> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would 
>> appear that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. 
>> That is unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of 
>> page 1, I want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and 
>> continue, such as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. 
>> Anyway, is there anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page 
>> with some text, I'm told that there are such and so many items, and I can't 
>> get a continuous read to go all the way through. In other words, this is as 
>> screwed up as it ever was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? 
>> I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more 
>> about that app before I pay for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. 
>> I'm really not that demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have 
>> been able to do on windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a 
>> decent screen reader.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Mary,

I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's.  It is accessible, handles forms well, and 
seems to read things in a more cohesive manner.  It's not a free pdf app 
though.  Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility 
for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not 
necessarily a Preview app bug.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
Mary


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> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is an 
> issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear 
> that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is 
> unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I 
> want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such 
> as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there 
> anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm 
> told that there are such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read 
> to go all the way through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever 
> was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying 
>  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay 
> for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that 
> demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have been able to do on 
> windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. 
Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that 
might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I 
really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I 
can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that.
Mary


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> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is an 
> issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear 
> that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is 
> unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I 
> want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such 
> as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there 
> anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm 
> told that there are such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read 
> to go all the way through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever 
> was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying 
>  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay 
> for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that 
> demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have been able to do on 
> windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Tim. This is depressing. VO down arrow through a multipage document is 
simply unacceptable. Talk about a way to get carpal tunnel. Smile. In your 
experience, is there an application that will let me access PDF files that are 
not images in a way that is at all comparable to what I have had on windows for 
several years? I have a really old Windows machine which needs to go away. I 
keep it for a few reasons, one of which is that it still reads PDF files well. 
Unfortunately, I can't access a lot of websites I need to with his old machine, 
and even finding and sending PDF attachments to myself on the windows machine 
doesn't work, because I don't see the attachments for whatever reason. I was 
really hoping that with this new High Sierra, one of my reasons for keeping our 
old machine would go away. If I can't get to grips with this in efficient way 
on the Mac, I'm going to just have to buy a new Windows machine, learn windows 
10 and learn a new screen reader, all of which are things I don't want to do. I 
bought my first Mac went snow leopard came out, and it was stable and worked 
well with a few exceptions of course, but by this time, I was really thinking I 
should have been able to totally dumb windows. Not so fast.
Mary


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> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
> separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though 
> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is an 
> issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in 
> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear 
> that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is 
> unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I 
> want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such 
> as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there 
> anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm 
> told that there are such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read 
> to go all the way through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever 
> was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying 
>  skim. But I would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay 
> for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that 
> demanding. I just want to be able to do what you have been able to do on 
> windows for probably a decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Mary,

Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will 
glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each 
separate page.  The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though where 
it only reads the current element, not the entire document.  This is an issue 
for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten  wrote:

I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in preview 
and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear that you 
have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is unnecessary in 
my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I want to read 
straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such as if there is 
a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there anyway to actually 
get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm told that there are 
such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read to go all the way 
through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever was. What am I 
missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I 
would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay for it and 
find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that demanding. I just 
want to be able to do what you have been able to do on windows for probably a 
decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
Mary


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Preview for PDFs on the Mac under High Sierra, some questions

[Mary Otten]

I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email 
folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in preview 
and there is a document group containing three pages. It would appear that you 
have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. That is unnecessary in 
my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of page 1, I want to read 
straight through, or have the option to stop and continue, such as if there is 
a table, which in this case there isn't. Anyway, is there anyway to actually 
get this thing to read? Even on a page with some text, I'm told that there are 
such and so many items, and I can't get a continuous read to go all the way 
through. In other words, this is as screwed up as it ever was. What am I 
missing? Where are the improvements? I'm thinking about trying  skim. But I 
would like to know a little bit more about that app before I pay for it and 
find it doesn't meet my needs either. I'm really not that demanding. I just 
want to be able to do what you have been able to do on windows for probably a 
decade now with PDF files in a decent screen reader.
Mary


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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Chris Moore]

Randy,
You need to interact with the are for those keystrokes to work.  I’m very new 
to Pages, but I’ve noticed that reading line by line with the cursor will 
announce the page changes.
Chris
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello anne:
> I Shall try this today, but i noticed that Vo-fn-up or down didn’t move me 
> between  pages, why is this? and are there any  alternatives for that?
> Thanks in advance 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> If you set a hotspot on the Paragraph styles button, then press VO-Cmd-Shift 
>> and the same number, as you navigate through the document, VO will say 
>> things like “Heading level 1” before reading the Heading, then “Body” before 
>> reading the text in Body style. I’ve just tested it and it works for me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 23:45, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aha, thanks so much for your explnations.
>>> but, for you Anne:, if the style that am using, changed, will Voice
>>> over tell me?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/1/17, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Hello Ramy,
>>>> 
>>>> Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it
>>>> Natural is beyond me.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> sorry for sending another email:
>>>>> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
>>>>> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
>>>>> centered, hiding, etc.
>>>>> so, what is natural is refers to?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks so much TIm:
>>>>>> but sorry,
>>>>>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>>>>>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>>>>>> I forgot what style are connected what
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>>>>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as
>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> possible please.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>>>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>>>>>> VO
>>>>>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>>>>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your
>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>>&

Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello anne:
I Shall try this today, but i noticed that Vo-fn-up or down didn’t move me 
between  pages, why is this? and are there any  alternatives for that?
Thanks in advance 

> On Apr 2, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy,
> 
> If you set a hotspot on the Paragraph styles button, then press VO-Cmd-Shift 
> and the same number, as you navigate through the document, VO will say things 
> like “Heading level 1” before reading the Heading, then “Body” before reading 
> the text in Body style. I’ve just tested it and it works for me.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 23:45, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Aha, thanks so much for your explnations.
>> but, for you Anne:, if the style that am using, changed, will Voice
>> over tell me?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/1/17, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Hello Ramy,
>>> 
>>> Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it
>>> Natural is beyond me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> sorry for sending another email:
>>>> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
>>>> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
>>>> centered, hiding, etc.
>>>> so, what is natural is refers to?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks so much TIm:
>>>>> but sorry,
>>>>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>>>>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>>>>> I forgot what style are connected what
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>>>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as
>>>>>> soon
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> possible please.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>>>>> VO
>>>>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>>>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your
>>>>>> document
>>>>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>>>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>>>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>>>>> therefore
>

Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ramy,

If you set a hotspot on the Paragraph styles button, then press VO-Cmd-Shift 
and the same number, as you navigate through the document, VO will say things 
like “Heading level 1” before reading the Heading, then “Body” before reading 
the text in Body style. I’ve just tested it and it works for me.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 1 Apr 2017, at 23:45, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Aha, thanks so much for your explnations.
> but, for you Anne:, if the style that am using, changed, will Voice
> over tell me?
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/1/17, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it
>> Natural is beyond me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> sorry for sending another email:
>>> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
>>> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
>>> centered, hiding, etc.
>>> so, what is natural is refers to?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks so much TIm:
>>>> but sorry,
>>>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>>>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>>>> I forgot what style are connected what
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that
>>>>> will
>>>>> use
>>>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as
>>>>> soon
>>>>> as
>>>>> possible please.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus.
>>>>> The
>>>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most
>>>>> of
>>>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>>>> VO
>>>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>>>> you
>>>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your
>>>>> document
>>>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>>>> on
>>>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>>>> 
>>>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>>>> therefore
>>>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>>>>> from
>>>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you
>>>>> were
>>>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>>>>> of
>>>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>>>> 
>>>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>>>>> document,
>>>>> you shou

Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, thanks so much for your explnations.
but, for you Anne:, if the style that am using, changed, will Voice
over tell me?



On 4/1/17, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> Hello Ramy,
>
> Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it
> Natural is beyond me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> sorry for sending another email:
>> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
>> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
>> centered, hiding, etc.
>> so, what is natural is refers to?
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks so much TIm:
>>> but sorry,
>>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>>> I forgot what style are connected what
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all:
>>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that
>>>> will
>>>> use
>>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as
>>>> soon
>>>> as
>>>> possible please.
>>>>
>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>>>
>>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus.
>>>> The
>>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most
>>>> of
>>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>>> VO
>>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>>> you
>>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your
>>>> document
>>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>>> on
>>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>>>
>>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>>> therefore
>>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>>>> from
>>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you
>>>> were
>>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>>>> of
>>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>>>
>>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>>>
>>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>>>> document,
>>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a
>>>> laptop,
>>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
>>>> or
>>>> if
>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
>>>> owners
>>>> or
>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>

Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ramy,

Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it Natural 
is beyond me.

Cheers,

Anne

 
> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> sorry for sending another email:
> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
> centered, hiding, etc.
> so, what is natural is refers to?
> 
> 
> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks so much TIm:
>> but sorry,
>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>> I forgot what style are connected what
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will
>>> use
>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon
>>> as
>>> possible please.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>> 
>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>> VO
>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>> you
>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>> on
>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>> 
>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>> therefore
>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>>> from
>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>>> of
>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>> 
>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>> 
>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>>> document,
>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
>>> if
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners
>>> or
>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark
>>> at:
>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn -
>>> you
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

This has certainly worked in Pages in the past. I haven’t yet tried it under 
Sierra as I only installed Sierra yesterday.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 1 Apr 2017, at 16:21, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know if this would work, but try setting a hotspot on the Style name 
> and then watching that hotspot.
> 
> So, vo-shift-5 (set current location as hot spot 5 )
> vo-shift-command-5 (Start watching hotspot 5 )
> 
> Then anytime Hotspot 5 changes it should speak. It is possible this will not 
> work. sometimes the Layout of areas changes enough that the hotspot is 
> inactivated. 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much TIm:
>> but sorry,
>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>> I forgot what style are connected what
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use
>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as
>>> possible please.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>> 
>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO
>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you
>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on
>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>> 
>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore
>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from
>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right of
>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>> 
>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>> 
>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document,
>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:
>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com> and your owner is Cara 
>>> Quinn - you
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> ht

Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Jonathan Cohn]

I did not see natural, but in the area you are speaking of, I saw justified 
along with center / left/ right. Are you perhaps not using US/English in which 
case wording might be a little different? Also, most formatter items have Voice 
Over help tags. These are usually read after a delay, or can be read with 
vo-shift-h. So perhaps Pages can give you the answer to your question.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 1, 2017, at 6:36 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> sorry for sending another email:
> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
> centered, hiding, etc.
> so, what is natural is refers to?
> 
> 
> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks so much TIm:
>> but sorry,
>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>> I forgot what style are connected what
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will
>>> use
>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon
>>> as
>>> possible please.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>> 
>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>> VO
>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>> you
>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>> on
>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>> 
>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>> therefore
>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>>> from
>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>>> of
>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>> 
>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>> 
>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>>> document,
>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
>>> if
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners
>>> or
>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark
>>> at:
>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn -
>>> you
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionarie

Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Jonathan Cohn]

I don't know if this would work, but try setting a hotspot on the Style name 
and then watching that hotspot.

So, vo-shift-5 (set current location as hot spot 5 )
vo-shift-command-5 (Start watching hotspot 5 )

Then anytime Hotspot 5 changes it should speak. It is possible this will not 
work. sometimes the Layout of areas changes enough that the hotspot is 
inactivated. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Apr 1, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much TIm:
> but sorry,
> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
> I forgot what style are connected what
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Answers below with your questions.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use
>> Pages on his or her work.
>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as
>> possible please.
>> 
>> Here are my questions:
>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>> 
>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO
>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you
>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>> 
>> 
>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on
>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>> 
>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>> 
>> 
>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore
>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from
>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right of
>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>> 
>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>> 
>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document,
>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

sorry for sending another email:
but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
centered, hiding, etc.
so, what is natural is refers to?


On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks so much TIm:
> but sorry,
> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
> I forgot what style are connected what
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Answers below with your questions.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will
>> use
>> Pages on his or her work.
>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon
>> as
>> possible please.
>>
>> Here are my questions:
>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>
>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>
>>
>>
>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>> VO
>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>> you
>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>
>>
>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>> on
>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>
>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>
>>
>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>> therefore
>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>> from
>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>> of
>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>
>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>
>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>> document,
>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>
>>
>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much TIm:
but sorry,
when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
I forgot what style are connected what

Thanks


On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Answers below with your questions.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all:
> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use
> Pages on his or her work.
> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as
> possible please.
>
> Here are my questions:
> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>
> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>
>
>
> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO
> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you
> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>
>
> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on
> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>
> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>
>
> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore
> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from
> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right of
> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>
> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>
> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document,
> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>
>
> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
> Thanks in advance
>
>
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Answers below with your questions.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all:
Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use 
Pages on his or her work.
But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as 
possible please.

Here are my questions:
1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:

Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The 
insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of the 
time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."



TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO 
(ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you 
simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll change 
the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document that you may 
not have planned on affecting.


2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on 
Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,

what is it? is it left or right or what?


TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected with.  
Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a document, it 
will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore the textual item 
just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from right to left, the 
same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were moving to the left, then 
the last item passed over is just to the right of the cursor, and therefore 
that is the item that will be focused on.

3- How can i move page by page inside pages?

TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document, you 
should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop, that 
would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.


Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional 
but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
Thanks in advance 


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Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use 
Pages on his or her work.
But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as 
possible please.

Here are my questions:
1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:

Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The 
insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of the 
time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."



2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on 
Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,

what is it? is it left or right or what?

3- How can i move page by page inside pages?

Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional 
but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Focusrite on the mac with some questions.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, sad.
But i guess i can do settings in protools when i get that.
/A
> 7 nov. 2016 kl. 14:19 skrev Обрядин Дмитрий :
> 
> Hi.
> 
> The sound card works without drivers, your computer will except it 
> correctly, but the control pannel is totally inaccessible.
> 
> AZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 07.11.2016 15:51, Anders Holmberg пишет:
>> Hi!
>> I have gotten the Focusrite Scarlet 2 Gen studio solo usb card here.
>> It comes with a condencer mic and headphones and its said that you should 
>> get a software pack with protools and other stuff.
>> First of all i need to figure out how to get the drivers for the card.
>> The focusrite page is ok but somewhat cluttered but i seem not to be able to 
>> find the drivers.
>> So i wonder if anyone has experiences with focusrite on the mac?
>> I also would like to know if the control panel is accessible because i found 
>> that and downloaded it.
>> Sadly no usb stick with the drivers so its really frustrating.
>> Maybe its just to plug it in and run.
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
>> 
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Re: Focusrite on the mac with some questions.

[Обрядин Дмитрий]

Hi.

The sound card works without drivers, your computer will except it 
correctly, but the control pannel is totally inaccessible.

 AZ




07.11.2016 15:51, Anders Holmberg пишет:
> Hi!
> I have gotten the Focusrite Scarlet 2 Gen studio solo usb card here.
> It comes with a condencer mic and headphones and its said that you should get 
> a software pack with protools and other stuff.
> First of all i need to figure out how to get the drivers for the card.
> The focusrite page is ok but somewhat cluttered but i seem not to be able to 
> find the drivers.
> So i wonder if anyone has experiences with focusrite on the mac?
> I also would like to know if the control panel is accessible because i found 
> that and downloaded it.
> Sadly no usb stick with the drivers so its really frustrating.
> Maybe its just to plug it in and run.
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
>

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Focusrite on the mac with some questions.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have gotten the Focusrite Scarlet 2 Gen studio solo usb card here.
It comes with a condencer mic and headphones and its said that you should get a 
software pack with protools and other stuff.
First of all i need to figure out how to get the drivers for the card.
The focusrite page is ok but somewhat cluttered but i seem not to be able to 
find the drivers.
So i wonder if anyone has experiences with focusrite on the mac?
I also would like to know if the control panel is accessible because i found 
that and downloaded it.
Sadly no usb stick with the drivers so its really frustrating.
Maybe its just to plug it in and run.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

Simon,

The problem is that insert and jaws keys are not the same thing in laptop
layout. Laptop layout uses caps lock for the JAWS key, and but not and in
some cases also allows insert+somekey to match jaws+somekey.

But all is fixable with some effort since every jaws keystroke is
configurable in a text file that can also be mostly managed by the keyboard
manager.
But this is not an an Apple product so enough of this unless we are
creating a specific layout for Macintosh computers running JAWS in a VM.

On a side note, those three keys on a PC keyboard like PrintScreen are
mapped by default on Macintosh English El Capitain systems to F13 F14 and
F15. Another interesting bit of trivia is that the insert key for PC's is
called the "help" key on the above mentioned keyboard layout.

Oh, it is so much fun to spend 40% of my time in a VMWare environment at
least I have keyboards to swap as needed.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan


On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:46 AM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>  Just a note here,
>
> I've found with a number of VMS of windows
> Mostly with virtual box  but have also found with vm fusion as well, that
> using the command key doesn't work as the vm system sees that as a windows
> key.
>
> In virtual box the left hand command key seems to default to a command key
> and brings up a menu for VB  where as the right hand command key defaults
> to a windows key for the vm.
>
>
> What I've also found is that in system preferences under keyboard I make
> sure the keyboard settings are set to use all function keys as function
> keys.
>
> And what is wrong with using the caps lock key as the jaws key if that is
> what you are using?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jeff `greene
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 12:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I
> just hve some questions
>
> Hi Helga and Scott,
> Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the command
> key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
> I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10 under
> bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
> Best, Jeff
>
>
> On 8/15/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> > Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard
> > type and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t
> > even recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
> >
> > I’m confused as well.
> >
> >> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Helga,
> >> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
> >> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
> >> think that will do it!
> >> Hope this helps! Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
> >>> instlal windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I
> >>> use windows with that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have
> >>> JAWS on it. It is working great for me so far. My only problem that
> >>> I encounter is regarding that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS
> >>> cursor. I do have  a insert key on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend
> >>> help me create an insert key by using the sharp keys app. My insert
> >>> key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon to to perform
> >>> JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does not
> >>> work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
> >>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
> >>> numpad keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you
> >>> guys? have any suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I
> >>> really don't want to get a full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a
> >>> numpad. Or do you think
> >>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
> >>> wondering. I
> >>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
> >>> keyboard, and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not
> >>> cooperating!
> >>> LOL
> >>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> >>>
> >>> Helga Schreiber
> >>>
> >>>

RE: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Folks,

 Just a note here,

I've found with a number of VMS of windows 
Mostly with virtual box  but have also found with vm fusion as well, that using 
the command key doesn't work as the vm system sees that as a windows key.

In virtual box the left hand command key seems to default to a command key and 
brings up a menu for VB  where as the right hand command key defaults to a 
windows key for the vm.

 
What I've also found is that in system preferences under keyboard I make sure 
the keyboard settings are set to use all function keys as function keys.

And what is wrong with using the caps lock key as the jaws key if that is what 
you are using?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of jeff `greene
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 12:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve 
some questions

Hi Helga and Scott,
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the command key as 
insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10 under 
bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
Best, Jeff


On 8/15/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard 
> type and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t 
> even recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
>
> I’m confused as well.
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under 
>> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I 
>> think that will do it!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I 
>>> instlal windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I 
>>> use windows with that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  
>>> JAWS on it. It is working great for me so far. My only problem that 
>>> I encounter is regarding that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS 
>>> cursor. I do have  a insert key on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  
>>> help me create an insert key by using the sharp keys app. My insert 
>>> key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon to to perform 
>>> JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does not 
>>> work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other 
>>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a 
>>> numpad keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you 
>>> guys? have any suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I 
>>> really don't want to get a full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a 
>>> numpad. Or do you think
>>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
>>> wondering. I
>>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop 
>>> keyboard, and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not 
>>> cooperating!
>>> LOL
>>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
>>> of Blind Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 
>>> John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
>>>
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this 
>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please 
>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the 
>>> list itself.
>>>
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is 
>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>
>>> The archives for this list can be searche

RE: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Frank Ventura]

Why bother, just use Sharpkeys to map the physical key of your choice to the 
insert key.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:40 AM
To: macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve 
some questions

No, the problem is that when in laptop layout the "JAWS" key is the caps lock 
key and the insert key is no longer associated with the "jaws+functions".  
There might be a "use key for JAWS key" type setting in the settings center 
under the default configuration, or you you could edit default.jkm and change 
all of the "jaws+" to insert+" and then go about your JAWS work. Oh, you only 
want to change these in the region starting with [laptop] and ending with the 
next [].

I won't be using JAWS until later this afternoon, so I can't check the 
specifics. If nobody replies to then I will check into this after I have my 
Windows VM running.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 16 August 2016 at 08:09, jeff `greene 
<greenebo...@gmail.com<mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Helga and Scott,
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the
command key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10
under bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
Best, Jeff


On 8/15/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> 
wrote:
> Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard type
> and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even
> recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
>
> I’m confused as well.
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene 
>> <greenebo...@gmail.com<mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
>> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
>> think that will do it!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber 
>> <helga.schreibe...@gmail.com<mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
>>> instlal
>>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows
>>> with
>>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
>>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is
>>> regarding
>>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert
>>> key
>>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using
>>> the
>>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi
>>> colon
>>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it
>>> does
>>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
>>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
>>> numpad
>>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have
>>> any
>>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to
>>> get a
>>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
>>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
>>> wondering. I
>>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
>>> keyboard,
>>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating!
>>> LOL
>>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950<tel:%28561%29%20706-5950>
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com<mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
>>>
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for al

Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

No, the problem is that when in laptop layout the "JAWS" key is the caps
lock key and the insert key is no longer associated with the
"jaws+functions".  There might be a "use key for JAWS key" type setting in
the settings center under the default configuration, or you you could edit
default.jkm and change all of the "jaws+" to insert+" and then go about
your JAWS work. Oh, you only want to change these in the region starting
with [laptop] and ending with the next [].

I won't be using JAWS until later this afternoon, so I can't check the
specifics. If nobody replies to then I will check into this after I have my
Windows VM running.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 16 August 2016 at 08:09, jeff `greene  wrote:

> Hi Helga and Scott,
> Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the
> command key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
> I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10
> under bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
> Best, Jeff
>
>
> On 8/15/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> > Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard
> type
> > and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even
> > recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
> >
> > I’m confused as well.
> >
> >> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Helga,
> >> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
> >> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
> >> think that will do it!
> >> Hope this helps! Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
> >>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
> >>> instlal
> >>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows
> >>> with
> >>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
> >>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is
> >>> regarding
> >>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert
> >>> key
> >>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using
> >>> the
> >>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi
> >>> colon
> >>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it
> >>> does
> >>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
> >>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
> >>> numpad
> >>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have
> >>> any
> >>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to
> >>> get a
> >>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
> >>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
> >>> wondering. I
> >>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
> >>> keyboard,
> >>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating!
> >>> LOL
> >>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> >>>
> >>> Helga Schreiber
> >>>
> >>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> >>> Blind
> >>> Students.
> >>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> >>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> >>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> >>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
> >>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> >>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> >>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> >>>
> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> >>> whoever
> >>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
> >>>
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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[jeff `greene]

Hi Helga and Scott,
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the
command key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10
under bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
Best, Jeff


On 8/15/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard type
> and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even
> recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
>
> I’m confused as well.
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
>> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
>> think that will do it!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
>>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
>>> instlal
>>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows
>>> with
>>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
>>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is
>>> regarding
>>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert
>>> key
>>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using
>>> the
>>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi
>>> colon
>>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it
>>> does
>>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
>>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
>>> numpad
>>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have
>>> any
>>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to
>>> get a
>>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
>>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
>>> wondering. I
>>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
>>> keyboard,
>>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating!
>>> LOL
>>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
>>>
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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Scott Granados]

Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard type and 
still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even recognize 
them but it does other jaws commands.

I’m confused as well.

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi Helga,
> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
> think that will do it!
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I instlal
>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows with
>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is regarding
>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert key
>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using the
>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon
>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does
>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a   numpad
>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have  any
>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to get a
>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just wondering. I
>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop keyboard,
>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating! LOL
>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
>> 
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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Jeff. How are you? I hve it set in lptop keyboard. And for my insert key on 
my mac, I hve it set my right command key to act as my insert key. Do you think 
If I get a numpad kyes it will work? You know a separate numpad keys. I look 
forward in hering form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi Helga,
> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
> think that will do it!
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I instlal
>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows with
>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is regarding
>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert key
>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using the
>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon
>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does
>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a   numpad
>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have  any
>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to get a
>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just wondering. I
>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop keyboard,
>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating! LOL
>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
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>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[jeff `greene]

Hi Helga,
Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
think that will do it!
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I instlal
> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows with
> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is regarding
> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert key
> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using the
> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon
> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does
> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a   numpad
> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have  any
> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to get a
> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just wondering. I
> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop keyboard,
> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating! LOL
> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
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> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I instlal 
windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows with 
that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is working 
great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is regarding that I can't 
 do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert key on my Mac 
ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using the sharp keys 
app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi colon to to perform 
JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it does not work. I really 
don't know what should I do about it.  On my other windows computer, I use a 
numpad keys, and in here I don't have a   numpad keys. It  works great, except 
the things I told you. Do you guys? have  any suggestion? I will really 
appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to get a full keyboard to take  
around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   
it will do the trick? Just wondering. I found some commands about JaWS in order 
to use it with the laptop keyboard, and  I  do want to perform them but my 
insert key is not cooperating! LOL   I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
Thanks and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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Re: Some questions about BlindSquare

[Jessica Moss]

Any time, glad I could help.

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> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is helpful.  Thank you for taking the time to respond, Jessica.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mike
>> On 4,Jul,2016, at 14:51, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> When running google/apple maps, you just tell blindsquare to launch 
>> either/or when planning a route, and they will open automaticly.  As far as 
>> running 4square in the background, you do have to have a 4square account.
>> I currently have one, which is launched by default within the app itself, 
>> but for some off-the-wall reason, whenever I try this method within 
>> blindsquare, it still wants me to log in, which is a major pain, sense I 
>> haven’t physically logged in in ages, and only want to use that feature once 
>> in a blue moon when I want to use the look around feature.
>>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> On occasion, I use BlindSquare and really like it.  However, I am thinking 
>>> that I could get more use from the app if I dug more thoroughly into 
>>> understanding all of its features.  I have two questions that may have been 
>>> answered in the manual, though I don’t remember seeing them addressed. Any 
>>> help would be truly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 1.  The BlindSquare manual says that you can use several different 
>>> third-party apps in conjunction with BlindSquare.  I am wondering if these 
>>> apps need to be running in the background, or does BlindSquare 
>>> automatically grab information from them and present the info within a 
>>> BlindSquare Dialogue box.  In other words, would I go into a settings menu 
>>> somewhere and pick what third-party app BlindSquare would interrogate?  I 
>>> really like Google Maps on my iPhone, and I’d like to use its capabilities 
>>> with BlindSquare.  In all likelihood, I probably need to have Google Maps 
>>> running simultaneously with BlindSquare, but I just want to make sure.
>>> 
>>> 2.  In order to take full advantage of the FourSquare features available in 
>>> BlindSquare, do I need to register with FourSquare?
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Some questions about BlindSquare

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Swarm is now what Foursquare was. You need to log into Swarm first as 
far as I can tell. Foursquare itself has become more of a competitor to 
Yelp and such. That may be the problem. You need Swarm. I love using the 
Swarm/Foursquare features within Blindsquare, as I'm a common Swarm 
user. I love to use Swarm venues because it makes superfluous the need 
to hunt down addresses.



Ben


On 7/6/2016 6:44, Mike Busboom wrote:

This is helpful.  Thank you for taking the time to respond, Jessica.

Best,

Mike

On 4,Jul,2016, at 14:51, Jessica Moss  wrote:

When running google/apple maps, you just tell blindsquare to launch either/or 
when planning a route, and they will open automaticly.  As far as running 
4square in the background, you do have to have a 4square account.
  I currently have one, which is launched by default within the app itself, but 
for some off-the-wall reason, whenever I try this method within blindsquare, it 
still wants me to log in, which is a major pain, sense I haven’t physically 
logged in in ages, and only want to use that feature once in a blue moon when I 
want to use the look around feature.

On Jul 4, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

Greetings,

On occasion, I use BlindSquare and really like it.  However, I am thinking that 
I could get more use from the app if I dug more thoroughly into understanding 
all of its features.  I have two questions that may have been answered in the 
manual, though I don’t remember seeing them addressed. Any help would be truly 
appreciated.

1.  The BlindSquare manual says that you can use several different third-party 
apps in conjunction with BlindSquare.  I am wondering if these apps need to be 
running in the background, or does BlindSquare automatically grab information 
from them and present the info within a BlindSquare Dialogue box.  In other 
words, would I go into a settings menu somewhere and pick what third-party app 
BlindSquare would interrogate?  I really like Google Maps on my iPhone, and I’d 
like to use its capabilities with BlindSquare.  In all likelihood, I probably 
need to have Google Maps running simultaneously with BlindSquare, but I just 
want to make sure.

2.  In order to take full advantage of the FourSquare features available in 
BlindSquare, do I need to register with FourSquare?

Thanks to all,

Mike

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Re: Some questions about BlindSquare

[Mike Busboom]

This is helpful.  Thank you for taking the time to respond, Jessica.

Best,

Mike
> On 4,Jul,2016, at 14:51, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> When running google/apple maps, you just tell blindsquare to launch either/or 
> when planning a route, and they will open automaticly.  As far as running 
> 4square in the background, you do have to have a 4square account.
>  I currently have one, which is launched by default within the app itself, 
> but for some off-the-wall reason, whenever I try this method within 
> blindsquare, it still wants me to log in, which is a major pain, sense I 
> haven’t physically logged in in ages, and only want to use that feature once 
> in a blue moon when I want to use the look around feature.
>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> On occasion, I use BlindSquare and really like it.  However, I am thinking 
>> that I could get more use from the app if I dug more thoroughly into 
>> understanding all of its features.  I have two questions that may have been 
>> answered in the manual, though I don’t remember seeing them addressed. Any 
>> help would be truly appreciated.
>> 
>> 1.  The BlindSquare manual says that you can use several different 
>> third-party apps in conjunction with BlindSquare.  I am wondering if these 
>> apps need to be running in the background, or does BlindSquare automatically 
>> grab information from them and present the info within a BlindSquare 
>> Dialogue box.  In other words, would I go into a settings menu somewhere and 
>> pick what third-party app BlindSquare would interrogate?  I really like 
>> Google Maps on my iPhone, and I’d like to use its capabilities with 
>> BlindSquare.  In all likelihood, I probably need to have Google Maps running 
>> simultaneously with BlindSquare, but I just want to make sure.
>> 
>> 2.  In order to take full advantage of the FourSquare features available in 
>> BlindSquare, do I need to register with FourSquare?
>> 
>> Thanks to all,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Some questions about BlindSquare

[Jessica Moss]

When running google/apple maps, you just tell blindsquare to launch either/or 
when planning a route, and they will open automaticly.  As far as running 
4square in the background, you do have to have a 4square account.
  I currently have one, which is launched by default within the app itself, but 
for some off-the-wall reason, whenever I try this method within blindsquare, it 
still wants me to log in, which is a major pain, sense I haven’t physically 
logged in in ages, and only want to use that feature once in a blue moon when I 
want to use the look around feature.
> On Jul 4, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> On occasion, I use BlindSquare and really like it.  However, I am thinking 
> that I could get more use from the app if I dug more thoroughly into 
> understanding all of its features.  I have two questions that may have been 
> answered in the manual, though I don’t remember seeing them addressed. Any 
> help would be truly appreciated.
> 
> 1.  The BlindSquare manual says that you can use several different 
> third-party apps in conjunction with BlindSquare.  I am wondering if these 
> apps need to be running in the background, or does BlindSquare automatically 
> grab information from them and present the info within a BlindSquare Dialogue 
> box.  In other words, would I go into a settings menu somewhere and pick what 
> third-party app BlindSquare would interrogate?  I really like Google Maps on 
> my iPhone, and I’d like to use its capabilities with BlindSquare.  In all 
> likelihood, I probably need to have Google Maps running simultaneously with 
> BlindSquare, but I just want to make sure.
> 
> 2.  In order to take full advantage of the FourSquare features available in 
> BlindSquare, do I need to register with FourSquare?
> 
> Thanks to all,
> 
> Mike
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Some questions about BlindSquare

[Mike Busboom]

Greetings,

On occasion, I use BlindSquare and really like it.  However, I am thinking that 
I could get more use from the app if I dug more thoroughly into understanding 
all of its features.  I have two questions that may have been answered in the 
manual, though I don’t remember seeing them addressed. Any help would be truly 
appreciated.

1.  The BlindSquare manual says that you can use several different third-party 
apps in conjunction with BlindSquare.  I am wondering if these apps need to be 
running in the background, or does BlindSquare automatically grab information 
from them and present the info within a BlindSquare Dialogue box.  In other 
words, would I go into a settings menu somewhere and pick what third-party app 
BlindSquare would interrogate?  I really like Google Maps on my iPhone, and I’d 
like to use its capabilities with BlindSquare.  In all likelihood, I probably 
need to have Google Maps running simultaneously with BlindSquare, but I just 
want to make sure.

2.  In order to take full advantage of the FourSquare features available in 
BlindSquare, do I need to register with FourSquare?

Thanks to all,

Mike

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Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much will contact u soon to start. Thanks again

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:54 AM, BBS <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy. I'm one of those people that Scott is talking about that offers 
> training on how to use your Mac. My contact info is below if you want my 
> services. I can either be paid for it or I can teach you for free, it's up to 
> you. Either way, I guaranty you won't be disappointed. I can also do the 
> training through Skype or Facetime, whatever you're comfortable with. Hope to 
> hear from you soon.
> 
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over
> 
> Hi Ramy, congratulations on completing your masters.
> 
> 
> Tim has already given you the answer to your windowing question and I wanted 
> to point you at some good resources to answer the rest of your questions.
> 
> First, you made a good move joining this list.  There’s a lot of great 
> talented users on this list.
> Next I’d like to suggest the Mac for the Blind option.  I believe the site 
> has tutorials and John P the lead on that site I believe also teaches apple 
> skills so you may wish to head in that direction.
>Next, AppleVis is a great resource.  Lots of good articles, podcasts and 
> resources.  Would suggest highly that site.
> 
> I believe others like Chris Gilland on list and others also provide training 
> so maybe they will pipe up.
>Ann Robinson (I hope I got her name right) on list has some good 
> publications, one I know of conserning pages so that’s another resource.
>On Blind Cool Tech Mike Erigo who is also on this list at one point had 
> some great introductory podcasts on voiceover as well as VM Fusion.
> 
> Hope that gets you started.
> 
> 
> On 6/27/16, 11:08 AM, "Ramy Moustafa" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
> behalf of ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
> so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
> 1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
> somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
> use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the windows that 
> is in 1 finder.
> what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive to my 
> HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i open teh 2  
> windows in the same time?
> 2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i can't 
> paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste in.
> can you give me solutions please?
> and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach me how 
> to use mach with voice over?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> --
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> Music instructor @:
> Faculty ofmusical education
> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
> Harmony Recording Studio
> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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RE: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[BBS]

Hi Ramy. I'm one of those people that Scott is talking about that offers 
training on how to use your Mac. My contact info is below if you want my 
services. I can either be paid for it or I can teach you for free, it's up to 
you. Either way, I guaranty you won't be disappointed. I can also do the 
training through Skype or Facetime, whatever you're comfortable with. Hope to 
hear from you soon.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

Hi Ramy, congratulations on completing your masters.


Tim has already given you the answer to your windowing question and I wanted to 
point you at some good resources to answer the rest of your questions.

First, you made a good move joining this list.  There’s a lot of great talented 
users on this list.
Next I’d like to suggest the Mac for the Blind option.  I believe the site has 
tutorials and John P the lead on that site I believe also teaches apple skills 
so you may wish to head in that direction.
Next, AppleVis is a great resource.  Lots of good articles, podcasts 
and resources.  Would suggest highly that site.

I believe others like Chris Gilland on list and others also provide training so 
maybe they will pipe up.
Ann Robinson (I hope I got her name right) on list has some good 
publications, one I know of conserning pages so that’s another resource.
On Blind Cool Tech Mike Erigo who is also on this list at one point had 
some great introductory podcasts on voiceover as well as VM Fusion.

Hope that gets you started.
 

On 6/27/16, 11:08 AM, "Ramy Moustafa" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
behalf of ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the windows that is 
in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive to my HD, 
i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i open teh 2  
windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i can't 
paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach me how to 
use mach with voice over?

Thanks


--
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Music instructor @:
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Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg

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Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Scott Granados]

Hi Ramy, congratulations on completing your masters.


Tim has already given you the answer to your windowing question and I wanted to 
point you at some good resources to answer the rest of your questions.

First, you made a good move joining this list.  There’s a lot of great talented 
users on this list.
Next I’d like to suggest the Mac for the Blind option.  I believe the site has 
tutorials and John P the lead on that site I believe also teaches apple skills 
so you may wish to head in that direction.
Next, AppleVis is a great resource.  Lots of good articles, podcasts 
and resources.  Would suggest highly that site.

I believe others like Chris Gilland on list and others also provide training so 
maybe they will pipe up.
Ann Robinson (I hope I got her name right) on list has some good 
publications, one I know of conserning pages so that’s another resource.
On Blind Cool Tech Mike Erigo who is also on this list at one point had 
some great introductory podcasts on voiceover as well as VM Fusion.

Hope that gets you started.
 

On 6/27/16, 11:08 AM, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote:

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the
windows that is in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive
to my HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i
open teh 2  windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i
can't paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste
in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach
me how to use mach with voice over?

Thanks


-- 
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Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
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Re: Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, the Mac can handle numerous windows open simultaneously.  If you're 
wishing to move between windows within the same app, Finder for example, then 
you may find the Window Chooser helpful.  Just press VO-f2-f2 to bring it up, 
arrow through the choices and press return on the one you wish to focus on.  
So, if you had a file on your Flash Drive, navigate to it, cmd-c to Copy it to 
the clipboard, then press VO-f2-f2 to bring up the Window Chooser, arrow to the 
window you wish to paste into, press return on it, then press cmd-v to Paste it 
into that location.  This scenario is assuming you already have multiple 
windows open in your Finder session.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2016, at 09:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the
windows that is in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive
to my HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i
open teh 2  windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i
can't paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste
in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach
me how to use mach with voice over?

Thanks


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Some questions related to Mac with Voice over

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
after finishing my master, i decided to use my mac in all my life.
so, i'm some times facing issues that i need your help:
1- if i need to open more than 1 window to move bitween or copy
somethings, Command accent   doesn't move me bitween windows, i can
use the command tap, it can move me bitween windows but not the
windows that is in 1 finder.
what i mean is that if i need to copy somethign  from my flash drive
to my HD, i must close the flash drive and open my hd to copy, can't i
open teh 2  windows in the same time?
2- o copy something and i went to my hd, it was mac formatted, but i
can't paste, control V can not paste in the flder that i need to paste
in.
can you give me solutions please?
and if you can suggest me a helpful tutorial but quick that can teach
me how to use mach with voice over?

Thanks


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Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg

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spotify accessibility and some questions.

[deedra waters]

so i saw on applevis when i went looking for spotify advice/answers that a 
developer of some sort had given a very very very brief summary of how to get 
spotify working with accessibility. i’m going to write up here what i did to 
get it to work right for me and some of what i noticed. I’m hoping someone more 
talented then me can help me figure out some answers to things i can’t figure 
out. note that some of my problems here are lack of the more finer points of 
voiceover combine with the evilness of not being able to figure out all of the 
keystrokes the spotify app has.

The article on applevis has a little script that they say will make spotify 
launch. I would and hope that there is a way to set this to launch with 
accessibility on startup. Maybe someone knows how to get this to happen? also 
maybe someone knows of keystrokes with this app i’d appreciate the info. below 
is my  little 1-liner since i’m largely a command line user, i kind of….well 
it’s probably ugly but it works…

—begin script——

#!/bin/bash
/Applications/Spotify.app//Contents/MacOS/Spotify —args 
—force-renderer-accessibility  > /dev/null2&1

—end—code—

The above script causes spotify to start with the accessibility stuff but it’s 
very very ugly. However with some keyboard commands it could be much easier to 
handle. I know that the author of the article on applevis gave some basic 
keystrokes to handle search stuff but here’s what i’d like to see. for one i’d 
like to see the roter (vo+u) work with this I dont know what it would take to 
make this happen or even who i’d need to contact to make it work. It does 
however seem that with the latest spotify release things are working a bit 
smoother. for 2 i’d like a way to jump from frame to frame so that i could see 
what is in what frame actually thinking on this that seems to be the biggest 
problem for me. 

I would be very very happy if someone knows a way to add things to playlists i 
can’t figure this one out. I also dont know how to add things to the queue play 
the queue or get spotify to add certain things so that  i can have stuff that’s 
stored locally such as the local files section of the monster of an html 
document.:)

If anyone can help with these things i’d be greatful. It’s a rough thing for 
someone to get used to, but it’s liveable and with some keystrokes and info it 
would go easier.


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Introduction and some questions

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa. 
Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list. 
I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology. 
I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on Best 
Buy. 
I was still in the US by that time. 
Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but yet, I 
have turned my back on Windows for good. 

When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
dialogues.
And it will repeat it a couple of times.
Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues. 

What is this?

About the notification center: 
do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way for 
it to do it automatically? 

Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, but 
like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say busy busy 
busy, ready. Very irritating. 

They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound. 
So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows. 

And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible and 
can someone email me off-list to help.

Thank you very very much for any help. 
I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it. 
Just a short amuzing story. 
I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
printer, copier and scanner. 
I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something. 
I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
install it, it ended up giving me an error. 
While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
machine was spitting out paper. 
I was dum-founded. 
You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?  
That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover. 
Amazing! 

Thank you,
God bless, 
Dewald. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Edward Green]

Hi Dewald,

Good to have you on the list.

The Mac often displays warning messages in what Voiceover describes as System 
Dialogs.  These can range from backups not having been performed for a few 
days, through to low battery notifications.  In short, they’re worth dealing 
with.

In order to get to them, press VO f1 f1, or in other words, hold down control 
and option, and press f1 twice quickly.  This will put you in a list of running 
applications, use the up and down arrows until you hear ‘system dialog’.  
Pressing enter will put you in a list of the various system dialogs you have 
running, press enter on one of them and explore it using VO left and right 
arrows.  Note that the buttons to dismiss them (often close or ok) can appear 
at either the far left or far right of the dialog, depending on what the dialog 
is.

Cheers,

Ed
 On 11 Jul 2015, at 08:21, Dewald Gmail dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa. 
 Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list. 
 I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology. 
 I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
 Best Buy. 
 I was still in the US by that time. 
 Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but yet, 
 I have turned my back on Windows for good. 
 
 When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
 dialogues.
 And it will repeat it a couple of times.
 Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues. 
 
 What is this?
 
 About the notification center: 
 do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
 for it to do it automatically? 
 
 Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
 but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say busy 
 busy busy, ready. Very irritating. 
 
 They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
 Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound. 
 So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
 release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
 command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows. 
 
 And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
 and can someone email me off-list to help.
 
 Thank you very very much for any help. 
 I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it. 
 Just a short amuzing story. 
 I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
 printer, copier and scanner. 
 I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something. 
 I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
 install it, it ended up giving me an error. 
 While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
 connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
 machine was spitting out paper. 
 I was dum-founded. 
 You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?  
 That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover. 
 Amazing! 
 
 Thank you,
 God bless, 
 Dewald. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I do indeed use Scribiner.

Can I help you with anything specifically?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Dewald Gmail dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
Subject: Introduction and some questions



Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
Best Buy.

I was still in the US by that time.
Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.


When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 
system dialogues.

And it will repeat it a couple of times.
Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.

What is this?

About the notification center:
do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
for it to do it automatically?


Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say 
busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.


They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, 
then release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold 
in the command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows.


And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
and can someone email me off-list to help.


Thank you very very much for any help.
I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
Just a short amuzing story.
I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
printer, copier and scanner.
I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print 
something.
I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried 
to install it, it ended up giving me an error.
While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, 
the machine was spitting out paper.

I was dum-founded.
You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover.
Amazing!

Thank you,
God bless,
Dewald.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

about the notifications, you can go to your syste preferences, then you can 
shoos what kind of notifications you want to show when you receive on your 
computer. about the printinter, when i attach my epson computer to my mac, it 
automatically detects the driver and install it.
 On 11 Jul 2015, at 9:21 AM, Dewald Gmail dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa. 
 Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list. 
 I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology. 
 I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
 Best Buy. 
 I was still in the US by that time. 
 Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but yet, 
 I have turned my back on Windows for good. 
 
 When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
 dialogues.
 And it will repeat it a couple of times.
 Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues. 
 
 What is this?
 
 About the notification center: 
 do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
 for it to do it automatically? 
 
 Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
 but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say busy 
 busy busy, ready. Very irritating. 
 
 They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
 Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound. 
 So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
 release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
 command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows. 
 
 And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
 and can someone email me off-list to help.
 
 Thank you very very much for any help. 
 I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it. 
 Just a short amuzing story. 
 I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
 printer, copier and scanner. 
 I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something. 
 I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
 install it, it ended up giving me an error. 
 While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
 connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
 machine was spitting out paper. 
 I was dum-founded. 
 You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?  
 That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover. 
 Amazing! 
 
 Thank you,
 God bless, 
 Dewald. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi Chris. I guess it's just navigating around the complex interface. Do you use 
keyboard shortcuts to jump from the table to the text etc? 
I think it's probably just different to use than a normal word processor. 
If you can just explain what you put in the table. Do you add folders or 
headings in the table and then scenes underneath? 
How do you use it?
And do you use the inspector?
Is there any training material online that helped you?
I know there's the Learn Scrivener fast but it's very expensive and not sure 
if the video's are worth listening too. 

Thanks.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I do indeed use Scribiner.
 
 Can I help you with anything specifically?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Dewald Gmail 
 dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
 Subject: Introduction and some questions
 
 
 Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
 Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
 I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
 I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
 Best Buy.
 I was still in the US by that time.
 Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
 yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.
 
 When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
 dialogues.
 And it will repeat it a couple of times.
 Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.
 
 What is this?
 
 About the notification center:
 do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
 for it to do it automatically?
 
 Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
 but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say 
 busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.
 
 They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
 Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
 So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
 release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
 command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows.
 
 And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
 and can someone email me off-list to help.
 
 Thank you very very much for any help.
 I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
 Just a short amuzing story.
 I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
 printer, copier and scanner.
 I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something.
 I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
 install it, it ended up giving me an error.
 While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
 connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
 machine was spitting out paper.
 I was dum-founded.
 You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
 That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover.
 Amazing!
 
 Thank you,
 God bless,
 Dewald.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I just used the documentation that came with the app.  I found it to be more 
than sufficient.  It said to read it before getting started, so I took their 
advice and did so.  It took me about an hour or so to get through it, but it 
was worth it.


Yes, I do add folders and files underneath.  That is the whole idea behind 
scribiner.  Were you under the impression that this was a word processor? 
It's not!  I mean, it is in a sense, but not really.  This is made more for 
writers as myself who need software to help them compile their ideas for 
their books, etc.  Yes, I do use the inspector, but it would be entirely too 
much to teach you everything about it over an e-mail.  I really really do 
think your best bet is going to be to open up that interactive getting 
started guide that comes with the app, and just go through it at your own 
pace, like I did.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Dewald Gmail dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Introduction and some questions


Hi Chris. I guess it's just navigating around the complex interface. Do 
you use keyboard shortcuts to jump from the table to the text etc?

I think it's probably just different to use than a normal word processor.
If you can just explain what you put in the table. Do you add folders or 
headings in the table and then scenes underneath?

How do you use it?
And do you use the inspector?
Is there any training material online that helped you?
I know there's the Learn Scrivener fast but it's very expensive and not 
sure if the video's are worth listening too.


Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


I do indeed use Scribiner.

Can I help you with anything specifically?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Dewald Gmail 
dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
Subject: Introduction and some questions



Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal 
on Best Buy.

I was still in the US by that time.
Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.


When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 
system dialogues.

And it will repeat it a couple of times.
Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.

What is this?

About the notification center:
do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a 
way for it to do it automatically?


Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or 
what, but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it 
will say busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.


They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, 
then release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can 
hold in the command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between 
windows.


And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it 
possible and can someone email me off-list to help.


Thank you very very much for any help.
I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
Just a short amuzing story.
I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
printer, copier and scanner.
I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print 
something.
I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried 
to install it, it ended up giving me an error.
While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, 
the machine was spitting out paper.

I was dum-founded.
You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with 
Voiceover.

Amazing!

Thank you,
God bless,
Dewald.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi Chris. Yes, about that tutorial. I opened it up today. Did what they said in 
the first screen, and now, whenever I open the tutorial, instead of displaying 
the document text, now Voiceover just says Empty scrollbar. 
And I can't think what is wrong. The composer mode doesn't want to work. 


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:04 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just used the documentation that came with the app.  I found it to be more 
 than sufficient.  It said to read it before getting started, so I took their 
 advice and did so.  It took me about an hour or so to get through it, but it 
 was worth it.
 
 Yes, I do add folders and files underneath.  That is the whole idea behind 
 scribiner.  Were you under the impression that this was a word processor? 
 It's not!  I mean, it is in a sense, but not really.  This is made more for 
 writers as myself who need software to help them compile their ideas for 
 their books, etc.  Yes, I do use the inspector, but it would be entirely too 
 much to teach you everything about it over an e-mail.  I really really do 
 think your best bet is going to be to open up that interactive getting 
 started guide that comes with the app, and just go through it at your own 
 pace, like I did.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Dewald Gmail 
 dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Introduction and some questions
 
 
 Hi Chris. I guess it's just navigating around the complex interface. Do you 
 use keyboard shortcuts to jump from the table to the text etc?
 I think it's probably just different to use than a normal word processor.
 If you can just explain what you put in the table. Do you add folders or 
 headings in the table and then scenes underneath?
 How do you use it?
 And do you use the inspector?
 Is there any training material online that helped you?
 I know there's the Learn Scrivener fast but it's very expensive and not 
 sure if the video's are worth listening too.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I do indeed use Scribiner.
 
 Can I help you with anything specifically?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Dewald Gmail 
 dewaldvandeven...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
 Subject: Introduction and some questions
 
 
 Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
 Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
 I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
 I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
 Best Buy.
 I was still in the US by that time.
 Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
 yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.
 
 When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 
 system dialogues.
 And it will repeat it a couple of times.
 Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.
 
 What is this?
 
 About the notification center:
 do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
 for it to do it automatically?
 
 Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
 but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say 
 busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.
 
 They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
 Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
 So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, 
 then release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold 
 in the command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows.
 
 And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
 and can someone email me off-list to help.
 
 Thank you very very much for any help.
 I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
 Just a short amuzing story.
 I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
 printer, copier and scanner.
 I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something.
 I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried 
 to install it, it ended up giving me an error.
 While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
 connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, 
 the machine was spitting out paper.
 I was dum-founded.
 You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
 That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover.
 Amazing!
 
 Thank you,
 God bless,
 Dewald.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Some questions about/help needed with using Twitterrific with voiceover

['Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all 

Wondering if anyone can be of  any help here. Yesterday I installed 
Twitterrific on my IPad and IPhone. So far it looks really good, bbut I have a 
couple of questions which I'm hoping someone may know the answer to. 

 Firstly, doo you know if Twitterrific would also work on my Mac? 
 
 Secondly, I read in the help section of Twitterrific's settings about 
 cleanning your timeline cash data and reloading your tweets without all the 
 extra rubbish. I tried to follow the instructions they gave, but with 
 relatively little joy. Has anyone else done this using VO?, and if so could 
 you send me some instructions on how to do this?? 
 
 Many thanks for any help you can give. 
 
 Eleanor

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Re: some questions re VO setup

[Donna Goodin]

Hi David,

thanks for the info, but I can’t find any of these options.  I’m running 
Yosemite, are you?
Thanks,
Donna
 On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:16 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 In relation to your Safari question you need to go to Safari Preferences and 
 change th behaviour of Safari at start to open new window.
 Then you need to go to change the behaviour of open new window to load your 
 home page.
 Now when you start Safari you should open your Home page each time.
 
 These are the first settings you should come to in Safari preferences.
 
 David Griffithto 
 On 9 Jan 2015, at 17:50, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know these are idiotic questions, but I haven’t had to set this up since I 
 got my first Macbook Pro that was running Leopard. :)
 
 1.  How do I configure VO to speak at login?
 
 2.  On my new iMac, when I open Safari, I’m taken to Favorites, rather than 
 to my Homepage.  How do I change this so I go directly to my homepage?
 
 Like I said, dumb questions. :)  thanks for indulging me.
 Cheers,
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Re: some questions re VO setup, Got it!

[Donna Goodin]

Hi David,

Never mind, got it.  I was navigating with the Tab key, and I needed to be 
navigating with the VOkeys.
thanks again,
Donna
 On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:16 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 In relation to your Safari question you need to go to Safari Preferences and 
 change th behaviour of Safari at start to open new window.
 Then you need to go to change the behaviour of open new window to load your 
 home page.
 Now when you start Safari you should open your Home page each time.
 
 These are the first settings you should come to in Safari preferences.
 
 David Griffithto 
 On 9 Jan 2015, at 17:50, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know these are idiotic questions, but I haven’t had to set this up since I 
 got my first Macbook Pro that was running Leopard. :)
 
 1.  How do I configure VO to speak at login?
 
 2.  On my new iMac, when I open Safari, I’m taken to Favorites, rather than 
 to my Homepage.  How do I change this so I go directly to my homepage?
 
 Like I said, dumb questions. :)  thanks for indulging me.
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Re: some questions re VO setup

[David Griffith]

In relation to your Safari question you need to go to Safari Preferences and 
change th behaviour of Safari at start to open new window.
Then you need to go to change the behaviour of open new window to load your 
home page.
Now when you start Safari you should open your Home page each time.

These are the first settings you should come to in Safari preferences.

David Griffithto 
 On 9 Jan 2015, at 17:50, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know these are idiotic questions, but I haven’t had to set this up since I 
 got my first Macbook Pro that was running Leopard. :)
 
 1.  How do I configure VO to speak at login?
 
 2.  On my new iMac, when I open Safari, I’m taken to Favorites, rather than 
 to my Homepage.  How do I change this so I go directly to my homepage?
 
 Like I said, dumb questions. :)  thanks for indulging me.
 Cheers,
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some questions re VO setup

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I know these are idiotic questions, but I haven’t had to set this up since I 
got my first Macbook Pro that was running Leopard. :)

1.  How do I configure VO to speak at login?

2.  On my new iMac, when I open Safari, I’m taken to Favorites, rather than to 
my Homepage.  How do I change this so I go directly to my homepage?

Like I said, dumb questions. :)  thanks for indulging me.
Cheers,
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Re: some questions about harddrive cloning please help kind regards trey.

[Chris Blouch]

While I'm not familiar with the particulars of how Disk Utility does it, 
most drives have a reserve of extra blocks that can be substituted if a 
bad spot develops. So by writing something to every block ahead of time, 
any bad blocks will get noticed and replaced with a spare. I would think 
that would already have happened at the factory or on the fly by the 
controller on the drive, but it can't hurt. On a large drive it could 
take quite a wile to zero out the empty space.


CB

On 12/30/13 6:51 PM, trahern culver wrote:

so what does it mean if a block is skipped? does it mean that things are not 
copied between hard rives?

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Re: some questions about harddrive cloning please help kind regards trey.

[Cameron Strife]

I've had great luck with super duper.



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 hey all i have some questions about harddrive cloning.

 ffirstly whatt's the best prrogram to clone your harddrive with?

 secondly is there any situation in which harddrives may become damaged
 during cloning? and how can i provent this?

 thirdly how does the cloning process handle any files on your drive that
 are locked or can only be red?

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Re: some questions about harddrive cloning please help kind regards trey.

[Kayaker]

Hi,

The two options are Super Duper and Carbon Copy Cloner. Both interfaces are 
very accessible and easy to use. I give Carbon Copy Cloner the edge, but I also 
used to give Super Duper the edge many years ago. 

As for how it works, you need to provide an administrator password before you 
start the copy process. That way, it can run as admin and avoid any permissions 
issues. The copy process does no harm to your drive beyond normal wear and 
tear. I do suggest you format a new drive with Disk Utility and enable the 
security option to do a one pass write with zeros. This forces the drive to 
actually write something to any block, thus if an error is detected, that block 
will be skipped. An application like Drive Genius can do the same step and will 
report how many bad blocks it finds.

—k
 

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 hey all i have some questions about harddrive cloning. 
 
 ffirstly whatt's the best prrogram to clone your harddrive with? 
 
 secondly is there any situation in which harddrives may become damaged during 
 cloning? and how can i provent this? 
 
 thirdly how does the cloning process handle any files on your drive that are 
 locked or can only be red? 
 
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Re: some questions about harddrive cloning please help kind regards trey.

[trahern culver]

so what does it mean if a block is skipped? does it mean that things are not 
copied between hard rives? 

kind regards trey.

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some questions about harddrive cloning please help kind regards trey.

[trahern culver]

hey all i have some questions about harddrive cloning. 

ffirstly whatt's the best prrogram to clone your harddrive with? 

secondly is there any situation in which harddrives may become damaged 
during cloning? and how can i provent this? 

thirdly how does the cloning process handle any files on your drive that 
are locked or can only be red? 

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Some Questions About Fusion 6

[BBS]

Hi all. I’m having a bit of a problem here. When I use Windows XP in Fusion 5, 
it won’t connect to the internet. Therefore, that tells me that I might be 
forced into upgrading to Fusion 6. I do have some concerns about that though. I 
heard something from a friend of mine that he tried using Fusion 6 on his Mac 
Mini and he told me that it ran so slow because it needs a lot of ram to run 
Windows properly. So I’m wondering since I can only put 4 gigs on this MacBook 
if upgrading to Fusion 6 is worth it. If not, what should I do? I want Windows 
on here because this busy busy busy crap with Skype on the Mac is getting 
unbearable. Thanks.

Shawn
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Re: Some Questions About Fusion 6

[Caitlyn furness]

Hi sean,
I have fusion 6 here and it runs fast for me.  I do have a ton of ram, though-I 
maxed out my i mac at 16 g of ram.

As far as your xp not connecting to the internet in fusion 5, have you made 
sure that your vm is sharing your internet connection?

Cait

On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:07 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all. I’m having a bit of a problem here. When I use Windows XP in Fusion 
 5, it won’t connect to the internet. Therefore, that tells me that I might be 
 forced into upgrading to Fusion 6. I do have some concerns about that though. 
 I heard something from a friend of mine that he tried using Fusion 6 on his 
 Mac Mini and he told me that it ran so slow because it needs a lot of ram to 
 run Windows properly. So I’m wondering since I can only put 4 gigs on this 
 MacBook if upgrading to Fusion 6 is worth it. If not, what should I do? I 
 want Windows on here because this busy busy busy crap with Skype on the Mac 
 is getting unbearable. Thanks.
 
 Shawn
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Re: Some Questions About Fusion 6

[BBS]

Hi Kate. Yes, Windows XP says that it’s sharing the same internet connection. 
As for the ram thing, of course it would run fast for you because you have 16 
gigs. Like I said, this standard MacBook can only have 4 gigs in it so is it 
worth upgrading to 6? I did read something a few weeks ago that I could apply 
bootcamp internet drivers to fusion 5 but I don’t know how to do that.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Nov 7, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Caitlyn furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi sean,
 I have fusion 6 here and it runs fast for me.  I do have a ton of ram, 
 though-I maxed out my i mac at 16 g of ram.
 
 As far as your xp not connecting to the internet in fusion 5, have you made 
 sure that your vm is sharing your internet connection?
 
 Cait
 
 On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:07 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. I’m having a bit of a problem here. When I use Windows XP in Fusion 
 5, it won’t connect to the internet. Therefore, that tells me that I might 
 be forced into upgrading to Fusion 6. I do have some concerns about that 
 though. I heard something from a friend of mine that he tried using Fusion 6 
 on his Mac Mini and he told me that it ran so slow because it needs a lot of 
 ram to run Windows properly. So I’m wondering since I can only put 4 gigs on 
 this MacBook if upgrading to Fusion 6 is worth it. If not, what should I do? 
 I want Windows on here because this busy busy busy crap with Skype on the 
 Mac is getting unbearable. Thanks.
 
 Shawn
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RE: Some Questions About Fusion 6

[wayne17a]

Hi I am running win 7 with vm fusion 5 and have no trouble
connecting to the internet and I am on mavericks

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn furness
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Hi sean,
I have fusion 6 here and it runs fast for me.  I do have a ton of ram,
though-I maxed out my i mac at 16 g of ram.

As far as your xp not connecting to the internet in fusion 5, have you made
sure that your vm is sharing your internet connection?

Cait

On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:07 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all. I'm having a bit of a problem here. When I use Windows XP in
Fusion 5, it won't connect to the internet. Therefore, that tells me that I
might be forced into upgrading to Fusion 6. I do have some concerns about
that though. I heard something from a friend of mine that he tried using
Fusion 6 on his Mac Mini and he told me that it ran so slow because it needs
a lot of ram to run Windows properly. So I'm wondering since I can only put
4 gigs on this MacBook if upgrading to Fusion 6 is worth it. If not, what
should I do? I want Windows on here because this busy busy busy crap with
Skype on the Mac is getting unbearable. Thanks.
 
 Shawn
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Re: Some Questions About Fusion 6

[BBS]

Hi Wayne. Unfortunately I’m not as lucky as you are. I’m using XP. Anyway, I 
decided to take the plunge and upgrade to 6. Don’t know what my friend was 
talking about though. It seems to be stable, no crashes or slow downs. Maybe he 
was trying to run it under ML.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Nov 7, 2013, at 5:51 PM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi I am running win 7 with vm fusion 5 and have no trouble
 connecting to the internet and I am on mavericks  
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn furness
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:25 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Some Questions About Fusion 6
 
 Hi sean,
 I have fusion 6 here and it runs fast for me.  I do have a ton of ram,
 though-I maxed out my i mac at 16 g of ram.
 
 As far as your xp not connecting to the internet in fusion 5, have you made
 sure that your vm is sharing your internet connection?
 
 Cait
 
 On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:07 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. I'm having a bit of a problem here. When I use Windows XP in
 Fusion 5, it won't connect to the internet. Therefore, that tells me that I
 might be forced into upgrading to Fusion 6. I do have some concerns about
 that though. I heard something from a friend of mine that he tried using
 Fusion 6 on his Mac Mini and he told me that it ran so slow because it needs
 a lot of ram to run Windows properly. So I'm wondering since I can only put
 4 gigs on this MacBook if upgrading to Fusion 6 is worth it. If not, what
 should I do? I want Windows on here because this busy busy busy crap with
 Skype on the Mac is getting unbearable. Thanks.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White Mac Book
 
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Re: Some Questions About Fusion 6

[Chris Blouch]

Some of it depends on what your Mac has and how much of it you hand over 
to vmware when you set up the virtual machine. I think XP can run pretty 
well on 1GB RAM so if you have a 4GB Mac that should be fine. VMWare 
will take its overhead and you'll still have space for OSX to do it's 
thing. If you start to push the limits the Mac might start coming up low 
on RAM and start to swap old stuff out to disk. This swap process can 
really bog a machine down which might be what your friend was running into.


CB

On 11/7/13 8:56 PM, BBS wrote:

Hi Wayne. Unfortunately I’m not as lucky as you are. I’m using XP. Anyway, I 
decided to take the plunge and upgrade to 6. Don’t know what my friend was 
talking about though. It seems to be stable, no crashes or slow downs. Maybe he 
was trying to run it under ML.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Nov 7, 2013, at 5:51 PM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi I am running win 7 with vm fusion 5 and have no trouble
connecting to the internet and I am on mavericks

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn furness
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some Questions About Fusion 6

Hi sean,
I have fusion 6 here and it runs fast for me.  I do have a ton of ram,
though-I maxed out my i mac at 16 g of ram.

As far as your xp not connecting to the internet in fusion 5, have you made
sure that your vm is sharing your internet connection?

Cait

On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:07 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all. I'm having a bit of a problem here. When I use Windows XP in

Fusion 5, it won't connect to the internet. Therefore, that tells me that I
might be forced into upgrading to Fusion 6. I do have some concerns about
that though. I heard something from a friend of mine that he tried using
Fusion 6 on his Mac Mini and he told me that it ran so slow because it needs
a lot of ram to run Windows properly. So I'm wondering since I can only put
4 gigs on this MacBook if upgrading to Fusion 6 is worth it. If not, what
should I do? I want Windows on here because this busy busy busy crap with
Skype on the Mac is getting unbearable. Thanks.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

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RE: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much for all these info,

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 2:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

 

Hi,

 

If you've Interacted with the Table of WIFI networks, locate the one you
wish to join, Stop Interacting with the Table with VO-shift-up arrow, then
navigate right to the Join button.

 

Another method that you may wish to use instead to join WIFI networks, is to
press VO-m-m, that is VO-m twice, navigate left or right to locate the WIFI
menu, press VO-space to open it, arrow down to the network you wish to join,
then press return.  You will then be prompted for a password if it is a
secure network otherwise, it will simply join it if it is an unsecure
network.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On 2013-07-08, at 4:39 PM, Ramy Moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:





Ok, great but if it's a txt value, like joining the why fie network,,  I
found my network name, but don't know how can I interact with it, when I
press vo plus sheft plus down errow, I find the txt, so, what can I do to
join?

Thanks

 

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From:  mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 10:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

 

Hi,

 

VO-space, by definition, performs the default action on the selected item.
So, pressing VO-space on a button will do whatever that button is coded to
do.  The space-bar alone on many buttons will perform the same action but
not always.  VO-space also works to perform the default action on most other
elements as well whereas simply pressing the space-bar will not get the
desired result.

 

HTH.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On 2013-07-07, at 12:41 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
wrote:






Hi all:
finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished
the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space? i
hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
 i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari i
can not close them, why?

 I need to know how to install a program.
 is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
wrote:





hi all:
sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name,
i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only,
go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Chris Blouch]

Well, hopefully somebody with ProTools can give specifics but I assume 
it comes with an installer DVD or the like which you insert into your 
drive. That should just pop up on your desktop but I don't know what 
they will have called it. Once you find the disk you can open it and 
inside there should be an app that installs protools. Assuming they use 
the standard installer you should be able to navigate through the 
prompts to read the license, pick a drive to install on etc.


CB

On 7/8/13 6:35 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Yes, I will  use my friend's copy on his machine.
Don't worry it's leagle

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 8:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

How do you install ProTools? ProTools is a high-end and expensive audio
editing system. Are you saying you bought it and can't get it to install?

CB

On 7/8/13 1:29 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Ok and how can I install it?
Sorry for asking these stupid questions.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I haven't installed ProTools in years but last time I did it had an
installer. This makes some sense as it is probably installing drivers
and such deep into the system and isn't just a typical standalone app.

CB

On 7/8/13 1:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi sir Chris:
Thanks so much for helping, but may I say that when installing pro tools

I

will use the copy and paste way?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question
list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but
some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or
saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just
close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've
filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in

progress.

Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is
that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In
the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to
going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with
command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which
creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and
sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual
disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy
(command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit
paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder.
There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files.
Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just
copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major

apps.

Hope this helps.

CB

On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:

Hi all:
finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i

finished

the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:

 what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus

space?

i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?

  i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like

safari

i can not close them, why?

  I need to know how to install a program.
  is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com

wrote:

hi all:
sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i

can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie

name,

i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with

only,

go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


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RE: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi sir Chris:
Thanks so much for helping, but may I say that when installing pro tools I
will use the copy and paste way?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question 
list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but 
some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or 
saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just 
close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've 
filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in progress.

Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is 
that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In 
the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to 
going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with 
command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which 
creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and 
sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual 
disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy 
(command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit 
paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder. 
There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files. 
Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just 
copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major apps.

Hope this helps.

CB

On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:
 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished
the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
   what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space?
i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari
i can not close them, why?

I need to know how to install a program.
is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
wrote:

 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name,
i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only,
go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Chris Blouch]

I haven't installed ProTools in years but last time I did it had an 
installer. This makes some sense as it is probably installing drivers 
and such deep into the system and isn't just a typical standalone app.


CB

On 7/8/13 1:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi sir Chris:
Thanks so much for helping, but may I say that when installing pro tools I
will use the copy and paste way?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question
list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but
some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or
saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just
close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've
filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in progress.

Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is
that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In
the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to
going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with
command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which
creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and
sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual
disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy
(command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit
paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder.
There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files.
Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just
copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major apps.

Hope this helps.

CB

On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:

Hi all:
finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished

the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:

   what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space?

i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?

i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari

i can not close them, why?

I need to know how to install a program.
is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com

wrote:

hi all:
sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i

can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name,
i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only,
go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


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RE: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Ramy Moustafa]

And I faced 2 problems in safari and itunes.
1, vo told me there is no window in safari, what shall I do? An di can't hit
the vo q.
Any deas?
2- the I tunes told me that, I tunes busy, and no way to close it, what
shall I do?


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question 
list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but 
some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or 
saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just 
close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've 
filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in progress.

Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is 
that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In 
the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to 
going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with 
command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which 
creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and 
sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual 
disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy 
(command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit 
paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder. 
There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files. 
Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just 
copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major apps.

Hope this helps.

CB

On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:
 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished
the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
   what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space?
i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari
i can not close them, why?

I need to know how to install a program.
is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
wrote:

 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name,
i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only,
go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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RE: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok and how can I install it?  
Sorry for asking these stupid questions.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I haven't installed ProTools in years but last time I did it had an 
installer. This makes some sense as it is probably installing drivers 
and such deep into the system and isn't just a typical standalone app.

CB

On 7/8/13 1:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hi sir Chris:
 Thanks so much for helping, but may I say that when installing pro tools I
 will use the copy and paste way?

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

 I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question
 list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but
 some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or
 saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just
 close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've
 filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in progress.

 Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is
 that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In
 the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to
 going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with
 command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which
 creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and
 sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual
 disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy
 (command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit
 paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder.
 There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files.
 Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just
 copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major apps.

 Hope this helps.

 CB

 On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:
 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i
finished
 the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus
space?
 i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
 i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like
safari
 i can not close them, why?
 I need to know how to install a program.
 is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
 can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie
name,
 i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with
only,
 go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Chris Blouch]

How do you install ProTools? ProTools is a high-end and expensive audio 
editing system. Are you saying you bought it and can't get it to install?


CB

On 7/8/13 1:29 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Ok and how can I install it?
Sorry for asking these stupid questions.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I haven't installed ProTools in years but last time I did it had an
installer. This makes some sense as it is probably installing drivers
and such deep into the system and isn't just a typical standalone app.

CB

On 7/8/13 1:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hi sir Chris:
Thanks so much for helping, but may I say that when installing pro tools I
will use the copy and paste way?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question
list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but
some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or
saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just
close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've
filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in progress.

Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is
that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In
the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to
going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with
command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which
creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and
sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual
disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy
(command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit
paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder.
There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files.
Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just
copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major apps.

Hope this helps.

CB

On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:

Hi all:
finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i

finished

the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:

what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus

space?

i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?

 i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like

safari

i can not close them, why?

 I need to know how to install a program.
 is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com

wrote:

hi all:
sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i

can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie

name,

i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with

only,

go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If Safari is reporting no window, then you've either already closed all windows 
in the app or it is in the process of quitting.  Wait for a minute or so then 
if it is still reporting no windows, try the cmd-q again to quit. If that still 
yields a problem, you'll likely need to Force Quit it.  To Force Quit an app, 
press cmd-option-Escape.  A smaller window will appear with a Table of open 
apps including Safari.  Make sure that Safari is selected then press on the 
Force Quit button.

If iTunes is reporting busy, then you'll likely need to use the Force Quit on 
it as well.

The Force Quit is similar to the End Task in the Windows world.  This sort of 
thing shouldn't happen very often but does on rare occasions.  Note that, you 
can Force Quit the app and the MacOS will remain running and unharmed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-07-08, at 11:29 AM, Ramy Moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:

 And I faced 2 problems in safari and itunes.
 1, vo told me there is no window in safari, what shall I do? An di can't hit
 the vo q.
 Any deas?
 2- the I tunes told me that, I tunes busy, and no way to close it, what
 shall I do?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network
 
 I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question 
 list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but 
 some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or 
 saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just 
 close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've 
 filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in progress.
 
 Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is 
 that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In 
 the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to 
 going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with 
 command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which 
 creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and 
 sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual 
 disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy 
 (command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit 
 paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder. 
 There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files. 
 Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just 
 copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major apps.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 CB
 
 On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:
 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished
 the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
  what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space?
 i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
   i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari
 i can not close them, why?
 
   I need to know how to install a program.
   is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?
 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
 can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name,
 i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only,
 go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

VO-space, by definition, performs the default action on the selected item.  So, 
pressing VO-space on a button will do whatever that button is coded to do.  The 
space-bar alone on many buttons will perform the same action but not always.  
VO-space also works to perform the default action on most other elements as 
well whereas simply pressing the space-bar will not get the desired result.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-07-07, at 12:41 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished 
 the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
 what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space? i 
 hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
  i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari i 
 can not close them, why?
 
  I need to know how to install a program.
  is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?
 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i 
 can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name, 
 i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only, 
 go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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RE: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Ramy Moustafa]

Yes, I will  use my friend's copy on his machine.
Don't worry it's leagle

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 8:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

How do you install ProTools? ProTools is a high-end and expensive audio 
editing system. Are you saying you bought it and can't get it to install?

CB

On 7/8/13 1:29 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Ok and how can I install it?
 Sorry for asking these stupid questions.


 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:19 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

 I haven't installed ProTools in years but last time I did it had an
 installer. This makes some sense as it is probably installing drivers
 and such deep into the system and isn't just a typical standalone app.

 CB

 On 7/8/13 1:16 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hi sir Chris:
 Thanks so much for helping, but may I say that when installing pro tools
I
 will use the copy and paste way?

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:00 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

 I'm sure different folks will pick off different parts of your question
 list to answer. As far as command-q, all apps should respond to this but
 some might pop up a dialog asking you something about losing work or
 saving documents before they quit. Safari in particular should just
 close with a command-q but maybe there is some scenario where you've
 filled out a form but not submitted it or maybe a download is in
progress.

 Installing a program happens a couple ways. One of the most common is
 that you'll download a file which ends in .dmg which is a Disk Image. In
 the Finder you'll locate the .dmg file which for Safari defaults to
 going to your Downloads folder, which you can open with
 command-option-L. Once you find it you open it with command-o which
 creates a virtual disk drive on your desktop containing the app and
 sometimes some readme files or the like. So you'll go to that virtual
 disk drive if it's not already opened, find the app, hit copy
 (command-c) move to your applications folder (command-shift-A) and hit
 paste to copy the app from the virtual drive to the applications folder.
 There are similar steps for files that download as zips or pkg files.
 Some also have an installer app instead of being able to just
 copy/paste. Those are usually more complicated installers like major
apps.

 Hope this helps.

 CB

 On 7/7/13 2:41 PM, ramy moustafa wrote:
 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i
 finished
 the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
 what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus
 space?
 i hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
  i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like
 safari
 i can not close them, why?
  I need to know how to install a program.
  is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
 can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie
 name,
 i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with
 only,
 go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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RE: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok, great but if it's a txt value, like joining the why fie network,,  I
found my network name, but don't know how can I interact with it, when I
press vo plus sheft plus down errow, I find the txt, so, what can I do to
join?

Thanks

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 10:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

 

Hi,

 

VO-space, by definition, performs the default action on the selected item.
So, pressing VO-space on a button will do whatever that button is coded to
do.  The space-bar alone on many buttons will perform the same action but
not always.  VO-space also works to perform the default action on most other
elements as well whereas simply pressing the space-bar will not get the
desired result.

 

HTH.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On 2013-07-07, at 12:41 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
wrote:





Hi all:
finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished
the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space? i
hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
 i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari i
can not close them, why?

 I need to know how to install a program.
 is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com
wrote:




hi all:
sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i
can't join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name,
i mean my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only,
go back and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If you've Interacted with the Table of WIFI networks, locate the one you wish 
to join, Stop Interacting with the Table with VO-shift-up arrow, then navigate 
right to the Join button.

Another method that you may wish to use instead to join WIFI networks, is to 
press VO-m-m, that is VO-m twice, navigate left or right to locate the WIFI 
menu, press VO-space to open it, arrow down to the network you wish to join, 
then press return.  You will then be prompted for a password if it is a secure 
network otherwise, it will simply join it if it is an unsecure network.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-07-08, at 4:39 PM, Ramy Moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok, great but if it’s a txt value, like joining the why fie network,,  I 
 found my network name, but don’t know how can I interact with it, when I 
 press vo plus sheft plus down errow, I find the txt, so, what can I do to 
 join?
 Thanks
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 10:22 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network
  
 Hi,
  
 VO-space, by definition, performs the default action on the selected item.  
 So, pressing VO-space on a button will do whatever that button is coded to 
 do.  The space-bar alone on many buttons will perform the same action but not 
 always.  VO-space also works to perform the default action on most other 
 elements as well whereas simply pressing the space-bar will not get the 
 desired result.
  
 HTH.
  
 Later...
  
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
  
 On 2013-07-07, at 12:41 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all:
 finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished 
 the vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
 what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space? i 
 hit many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
  i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari i 
 can not close them, why?
 
  I need to know how to install a program.
  is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?
 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i can't 
 join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name, i mean 
 my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only, go back 
 and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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some questions please.Re: failed to join why fie network

[ramy moustafa]

Hi all:
finally and by chance, i connected my mac to the internet, and  i finished the 
vo tutorials, but i have some questions:
 what is the difference bitween pressing the space bar and vo plus space? i hit 
many buttomns withe both, and the 2 r working, please explain?
  i learn how to close an app by command q,  but some of them like safari i can 
not close them, why?

  I need to know how to install a program.
  is there a tutorial step by step to use safari and i tunes with vo?


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:13 PM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi all:
 sorry if this is a stupid question, but i'm now with my mac mini, and i can't 
 join any why fie network. i found network and i found my why fie name, i mean 
 my router name, i entered my pass code, but i got a screen with only, go back 
 and quit, and i'm not connected, any ideas pl?
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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