RE: Viphone list

2020-01-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Mark,

Could you flick me an email with this viphone email list sign up details.

Cheers.

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Subject: RE: Viphone list

Hello Max,

I will write you, off-list, but I approved you for both lists, the other day.

Again, I will contact you, off-list, regarding this issue.

Mark

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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:42 PM
To: Mac List
Subject: Viphone list

Hi all,
recently I unsubscribed from this list and the Viphone list as well.
I am back on this list and receiving all messages. The Viphone list I am 
subscribed to but do not receive any messages. I have written to Mark but he 
must be away.
Can anybody give me any ideas what I might do to solve the lack of emails.
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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RE: Viphone list

2020-01-16 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Max,

I will write you, off-list, but I approved you for both lists, the other day.

Again, I will contact you, off-list, regarding this issue.

Mark

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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:42 PM
To: Mac List
Subject: Viphone list

Hi all,
recently I unsubscribed from this list and the Viphone list as well.
I am back on this list and receiving all messages. The Viphone list I am 
subscribed to but do not receive any messages. I have written to Mark but he 
must be away.
Can anybody give me any ideas what I might do to solve the lack of emails.
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Viphone list

2020-01-16 Thread Agent086b
Hi all,
recently I unsubscribed from this list and the Viphone list as well.
I am back on this list and receiving all messages. The Viphone list I am 
subscribed to but do not receive any messages. I have written to Mark but he 
must be away.
Can anybody give me any ideas what I might do to solve the lack of emails.
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: viphone list?

2018-08-06 Thread 'Maria Reyes' via MacVisionaries
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> can I get the viphone list subscription info please?
> 
> thanks
> 
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viphone list?

2018-08-06 Thread The wolf

can I get the viphone list subscription info please?

thanks

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Re: Subscribing to the viphone list [was Re: Viphone list]

2012-06-25 Thread Stacey Robinson
Esther,
Thanks for all of this helpful info.
It is really appreciated.
I will save this for future reference.
Stacey and GEB dog Chesley

On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi Stacey,
 
 I think it is possible for you to subscribe to the viphone list without 
 having Google account by having the list owner or moderator add you directly 
 to the subscription list. I'll dig up a recent post by Raul Gallego on this 
 subject and append it. However, I don't think that you have control over your 
 subscription that way -- if you want to stop receiving list mail probably 
 your only option is to unsubscribe, and then to try to start subscribing as 
 though you were a completely new user again, with the same waiting period if 
 there's a backlog on approving new user subscriptions. As Kawal explained, 
 when you create a Google account, you do not need to also create a gmail 
 account for mail.  Also, if you have multiple email accounts, you can choose 
 which of these accounts you want to be associated with receiving the list 
 email posts, or change your email address if your current one terminates, and 
 you can manage your subscriptions (no mail, digest format, etc.) from your 
 Google account.
 
 Creating a Google account does require negotiating a Captcha, but you only 
 have to do it once.  There is an audio Captcha option on the web page, but I 
 find those pretty bad, too, although it was manageable.  I'll add that the 
 default page you are linked to if you choose to create an account from the  
 page where you are prompted to log in to the viphone list now makes it appear 
 as though you have to create a gmail account when you create your Google 
 account.  You don't need to do this, and you also don't need to supply your 
 phone or SMS number to activate your account, despite being encouraged to do 
 so for security purposes.
 
 Here's the URL to use to create a new account without also creating a gmail 
 account:
 https://accounts.google.com/newaccount?hl=en
 
 You need to supply your current email address and the password you wish to 
 create for your account, retyped to verify it.  And apparently you must now 
 supply your date of birth (so they can verify you are over 13).  That email 
 address is being used as your unique login for your Google account.  If you 
 need to change your email address for receiving mail at a later time, or add 
 another email account that you'd prefer to use for your subscription instead, 
 you'll also be able to manage this yourself within your Google account.  Make 
 sure to check the box for accepting the terms of service before you press the 
 Create my account button.
 
 Once you've created your account, return to the viphone list page:
 http://groups.google.com/group/viphone
 
 Use the link for Apply for group membership and sign in with your Google 
 account login (which is the non-gmail email address you used to create the 
 account) and password.  I'd add a note saying that you were previously a 
 member of the list, which they'll be able to verify.
 
 At any later time you should be able to go to the Manage My Membership page 
 for your account at to change your subscription status or go no mail for a 
 while:
 http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en_USpli=1
 
 There are more detailed instructions that posted for Teresa about changing 
 membership options, and you can read the archived post if you ever need more 
 information:
 • Re: The New Google Groups Site and viewing/changing membership options?
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg64431.html
 
 I'll paste in Raul's message if you want to try to subscribe via email only.  
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com
 Subject: Important -- How to manage your subscription via email
 Date: June 11, 2012 
 To: ViPhone Users List viph...@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: viph...@googlegroups.com
 
 Hello all. You might want to save this for future reference. Since this 
 topic has come up recently I thought I'd give information on getting help 
 with this list when it comes to managing your subscription via email instead 
 of the web site.
 
 This is mainly aimed at those who don't have Google accounts and don't want 
 to sign up with Google just to participate on the list. To get the help 
 commands and email addresses for list subscription management, send an email 
 to viphone+h...@googlegroups.com and you will get an auto-reply message. 
 Note the Plus sign between viphone and help. The below is what you will get 
 back.
 
 
 
 We received your message asking for help related to the group viphone.
 
 To send a message to this group by email, address the email to: 
 viph...@googlegroups.com
 To subscribe to this group by email, address the email to: 
 viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com
 To unsubscribe from this group by email, address the email to: 
 viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
 To contact the group owner by email, address

Re: Viphone list

2012-06-24 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi Stacey.

You need to set up an account with Google first and it does not have to be a 
gmail account.  Once done, sign in, then look for Google groups.  Once done, 
find the VI Group and apply for membership and wait to hear that you have been 
approved.

Kawal.

On 23 Jun 2012, at 05:21 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Hi,
 Is there a way to subscribe to the viphone list without having a gmail 
 account?
 I was on their once, and would like to resubscribe. When I find the list on 
 google groups it just wants me to sign in.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: Viphone list

2012-06-24 Thread Stacey Robinson
Ok, how do I set up an account that isn't a gmail account.

On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 Hi Stacey.
 
 You need to set up an account with Google first and it does not have to be a 
 gmail account.  Once done, sign in, then look for Google groups.  Once done, 
 find the VI Group and apply for membership and wait to hear that you have 
 been approved.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 23 Jun 2012, at 05:21 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Is there a way to subscribe to the viphone list without having a gmail 
 account?
 I was on their once, and would like to resubscribe. When I find the list on 
 google groups it just wants me to sign in.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: Viphone list

2012-06-24 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Go through the Gmail signing up process but put in what ever e-mail account you 
like.  I think there is a picture on it which you may need help with.
On 24 Jun 2012, at 19:31, Stacey Robinson wrote:

 Ok, how do I set up an account that isn't a gmail account.
 
 On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hi Stacey.
 
 You need to set up an account with Google first and it does not have to be a 
 gmail account.  Once done, sign in, then look for Google groups.  Once done, 
 find the VI Group and apply for membership and wait to hear that you have 
 been approved.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 23 Jun 2012, at 05:21 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Is there a way to subscribe to the viphone list without having a gmail 
 account?
 I was on their once, and would like to resubscribe. When I find the list on 
 google groups it just wants me to sign in.
 Can anyone help?
 Thanks,
 
 
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Subscribing to the viphone list [was Re: Viphone list]

2012-06-24 Thread Esther
Hi Stacey,

I think it is possible for you to subscribe to the viphone list without having 
Google account by having the list owner or moderator add you directly to the 
subscription list. I'll dig up a recent post by Raul Gallego on this subject 
and append it. However, I don't think that you have control over your 
subscription that way -- if you want to stop receiving list mail probably your 
only option is to unsubscribe, and then to try to start subscribing as though 
you were a completely new user again, with the same waiting period if there's a 
backlog on approving new user subscriptions. As Kawal explained, when you 
create a Google account, you do not need to also create a gmail account for 
mail.  Also, if you have multiple email accounts, you can choose which of these 
accounts you want to be associated with receiving the list email posts, or 
change your email address if your current one terminates, and you can manage 
your subscriptions (no mail, digest format, etc.) from your Google account.

Creating a Google account does require negotiating a Captcha, but you only have 
to do it once.  There is an audio Captcha option on the web page, but I find 
those pretty bad, too, although it was manageable.  I'll add that the default 
page you are linked to if you choose to create an account from the  page where 
you are prompted to log in to the viphone list now makes it appear as though 
you have to create a gmail account when you create your Google account.  You 
don't need to do this, and you also don't need to supply your phone or SMS 
number to activate your account, despite being encouraged to do so for 
security purposes.

Here's the URL to use to create a new account without also creating a gmail 
account:
https://accounts.google.com/newaccount?hl=en

You need to supply your current email address and the password you wish to 
create for your account, retyped to verify it.  And apparently you must now 
supply your date of birth (so they can verify you are over 13).  That email 
address is being used as your unique login for your Google account.  If you 
need to change your email address for receiving mail at a later time, or add 
another email account that you'd prefer to use for your subscription instead, 
you'll also be able to manage this yourself within your Google account.  Make 
sure to check the box for accepting the terms of service before you press the 
Create my account button.

Once you've created your account, return to the viphone list page:
http://groups.google.com/group/viphone

Use the link for Apply for group membership and sign in with your Google 
account login (which is the non-gmail email address you used to create the 
account) and password.  I'd add a note saying that you were previously a member 
of the list, which they'll be able to verify.

At any later time you should be able to go to the Manage My Membership page 
for your account at to change your subscription status or go no mail for a 
while:
http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en_USpli=1

There are more detailed instructions that posted for Teresa about changing 
membership options, and you can read the archived post if you ever need more 
information:
• Re: The New Google Groups Site and viewing/changing membership options?
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg64431.html

I'll paste in Raul's message if you want to try to subscribe via email only.  

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com
 Subject: Important -- How to manage your subscription via email
 Date: June 11, 2012 
 To: ViPhone Users List viph...@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: viph...@googlegroups.com
 
 Hello all. You might want to save this for future reference. Since this topic 
 has come up recently I thought I'd give information on getting help with this 
 list when it comes to managing your subscription via email instead of the web 
 site.
 
 This is mainly aimed at those who don't have Google accounts and don't want 
 to sign up with Google just to participate on the list. To get the help 
 commands and email addresses for list subscription management, send an email 
 to viphone+h...@googlegroups.com and you will get an auto-reply message. Note 
 the Plus sign between viphone and help. The below is what you will get back.
 
 
 
 We received your message asking for help related to the group viphone.
 
 To send a message to this group by email, address the email to: 
 viph...@googlegroups.com
 To subscribe to this group by email, address the email to: 
 viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com
 To unsubscribe from this group by email, address the email to: 
 viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
 To contact the group owner by email, address the email to: 
 viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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Viphone list

2012-06-23 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hi,
Is there a way to subscribe to the viphone list without having a gmail account?
I was on their once, and would like to resubscribe. When I find the list on 
google groups it just wants me to sign in.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,


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Navigating the iPhone and joining the Viphone list [was Re: Questions on how to navigate on the Iphone]

2009-10-10 Thread Esther

Hi Søren,

You wrote:


 I'm on the Viphone list I think it's called. I haven't unsubscribed
 myself, but I might have ben unsubscribed for some reason.
 What's the address to the list and how do I subscribe to it again?

At one point I think you could simply send a message to subscribe, but  
this got changed and you now have to go to the Viphone web page and  
request an invitation according to an earlier post from Cara:

begin quote

Actually anyone whom would like to sub to the list will need to
request an invite from the list's main page at:

http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone

   This is done so that potential new members can be screened to avoid
spam issues.

end quote

You can also go to the web page and read the posts without joining.   
Unfortunately, the viphone list isn't set up to be archived at the  
Mail Archive site, which provides an easier reading and searching  
interface.

I'll try to answer your questions.  (Responses follow excerpted  
queries).  I have an iPod Touch, but the gestures used are the same as  
for the iPhone.

 1: What is the difference between the drack gesture and the flicking
 gesture? I know how the flicking gesture works. I've tried it in the
 gestures practise on a Iphone last week. I'm asking because I don't
 wanna drack icons around on the screen by accident. So how would I
 know when I'm just using the flicking gesture and when I'm dracking
 an
 icon?
Flicking is a very quick gesture where your finger is only in brief  
contact with the screen.  It's actually difficult to drag icons around  
the screen by accident because you first need to execute a pass- 
through gesture (double-tap and hold) before you can drag the icon and  
also because VoiceOver will announce moving icon -- where the name  
of the actual icon gets announced, like moving Mail or moving  
Maps.  If you actually do move the icon  VoiceOver will tell you the  
row and column you're in, and until you lift your finger from the  
screen the position doesn't get changed.  If you get confused, or want  
to stop, just move your finger to drag the icon back to where you  
started, lift your finger from the screen, and click the home key to  
get out of the mode in which icons can be moved.  (This will also take  
you back to the home screen in case you were moving icons on another  
page of applications.)

The OS 3.1 update added a gesture practice area under Settings   
General  Accessibility  VoiceOver where if you double tap the  
Practice VoiceOver Gestures button you'll be taken to a screen where  
VoiceOver announces the gestures you've used and their function --  
kind of like a gesture-based keyboard practice mode. If you flick, you  
might hear flick right, move to next item; or if you issue the pass- 
through gesture, you'd hear double-tap and hold, drags the item.   
(The only thing is, you won't hear the small burbly noise that is  
played when you correctly perform a pass-through gesture of double-tap  
and hold.)


 2: How do I navigate in a listbox? For example if I wanna go
 through a
 list of mails in the mail application, how do I go through this  
 list?
 Do I have to find the top of the list with my finger, then lift my
 finger from the screen, move it down a bit and then touch again to
 select the next mail in the list? Or can I just flick to the  
 right? I
 assume all items like my mailboxes, buttons etc will be read if I
 flick to the right, so that's the reason for I'm asking on how to
 navigate in listboxes.

When reading mail in your Inbox you can use buttons for previous mail  
and next mail to go through your messages.  (What's a bit odd is that  
the latest message is at the top of the list, so if you start further  
down the list at your first unread message you end up tapping the  
previous message button to move through mail, and I haven't found a  
way to change sort order.)  If you start from a listbox you can  
navigate either by selecting individual items by touch or by using  
gestures to move through items or pages.  For example, you can do a  
two-finger upward flick to read all on the page, and you will hear  
not only the buttons at the top of the page, but also the list of mail  
with sender, time, and subject.  This will read through the list  
including scrolling, and you can stop with a two-finger tap.  You  
could also touch the center of the screen (probably close to where you  
stopped the list reading) and move your finger up or down and have the  
entries read to you, then double-tap on a specific message that you  
want to open for reading.  Or, if your touch had brought focus to a  
specific message in the list, you could flick right to move focus to  
the next item in the list.  I find that I'm more likely to simply move  
my finger up and the down in contact with the screen for lists than to  
flick, since the announcements and focus just change with the position  
of my finger.  The way that I open list selections also differs  
according

Re: Navigating the iPhone and joining the Viphone list [was Re: Questions on how to navigate on the Iphone]

2009-10-10 Thread Søren Jensen

Hi esther.

Thanks so much for taking your time to answer my questions since they  
are off topic for this list. Your answers are very helpful. I've now  
joined the Viphone list again so I won't ask any Iphone questions here  
anmore. I'm really sorry for this...
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail  MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Esther wrote:


 Hi Søren,

 You wrote:


 I'm on the Viphone list I think it's called. I haven't unsubscribed
 myself, but I might have ben unsubscribed for some reason.
 What's the address to the list and how do I subscribe to it again?

 At one point I think you could simply send a message to subscribe, but
 this got changed and you now have to go to the Viphone web page and
 request an invitation according to an earlier post from Cara:

 begin quote

 Actually anyone whom would like to sub to the list will need to
 request an invite from the list's main page at:

 http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone

   This is done so that potential new members can be screened to avoid
 spam issues.

 end quote

 You can also go to the web page and read the posts without joining.
 Unfortunately, the viphone list isn't set up to be archived at the
 Mail Archive site, which provides an easier reading and searching
 interface.

 I'll try to answer your questions.  (Responses follow excerpted
 queries).  I have an iPod Touch, but the gestures used are the same as
 for the iPhone.

 1: What is the difference between the drack gesture and the  
 flicking
 gesture? I know how the flicking gesture works. I've tried it in  
 the
 gestures practise on a Iphone last week. I'm asking because I don't
 wanna drack icons around on the screen by accident. So how would I
 know when I'm just using the flicking gesture and when I'm dracking
 an
 icon?
 Flicking is a very quick gesture where your finger is only in brief
 contact with the screen.  It's actually difficult to drag icons around
 the screen by accident because you first need to execute a pass-
 through gesture (double-tap and hold) before you can drag the icon and
 also because VoiceOver will announce moving icon -- where the name
 of the actual icon gets announced, like moving Mail or moving
 Maps.  If you actually do move the icon  VoiceOver will tell you the
 row and column you're in, and until you lift your finger from the
 screen the position doesn't get changed.  If you get confused, or want
 to stop, just move your finger to drag the icon back to where you
 started, lift your finger from the screen, and click the home key to
 get out of the mode in which icons can be moved.  (This will also take
 you back to the home screen in case you were moving icons on another
 page of applications.)

 The OS 3.1 update added a gesture practice area under Settings 
 General  Accessibility  VoiceOver where if you double tap the
 Practice VoiceOver Gestures button you'll be taken to a screen where
 VoiceOver announces the gestures you've used and their function --
 kind of like a gesture-based keyboard practice mode. If you flick, you
 might hear flick right, move to next item; or if you issue the pass-
 through gesture, you'd hear double-tap and hold, drags the item.
 (The only thing is, you won't hear the small burbly noise that is
 played when you correctly perform a pass-through gesture of double-tap
 and hold.)


 2: How do I navigate in a listbox? For example if I wanna go
 through a
 list of mails in the mail application, how do I go through this
 list?
 Do I have to find the top of the list with my finger, then lift my
 finger from the screen, move it down a bit and then touch again to
 select the next mail in the list? Or can I just flick to the
 right? I
 assume all items like my mailboxes, buttons etc will be read if I
 flick to the right, so that's the reason for I'm asking on how to
 navigate in listboxes.

 When reading mail in your Inbox you can use buttons for previous mail
 and next mail to go through your messages.  (What's a bit odd is that
 the latest message is at the top of the list, so if you start further
 down the list at your first unread message you end up tapping the
 previous message button to move through mail, and I haven't found a
 way to change sort order.)  If you start from a listbox you can
 navigate either by selecting individual items by touch or by using
 gestures to move through items or pages.  For example, you can do a
 two-finger upward flick to read all on the page, and you will hear
 not only the buttons at the top of the page, but also the list of mail
 with sender, time, and subject.  This will read through the list
 including scrolling, and you can stop with a two-finger tap.  You
 could also touch the center of the screen (probably close to where you
 stopped the list reading) and move your finger up or down and have the
 entries read to you, then double-tap on a specific message that you
 want to open for reading.  Or, if your touch had

Re: viphone list?

2009-07-03 Thread John Denning

The moderator is out for now. Once back she'll likely subscribe us.

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And glad to be a Mac snob again!
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On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Robert Carter wrote:

 Somebody said that joining Google Groups would help. I tried that and
 it didn't make any difference. I still get the message that the list
 is moderated. I did, however, have a lovely experience with the Solona
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RE: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Jane Jordan (Gmail)
I hope so.  I haven't heard much either.
 
Jane
 
 

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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi,

It is well.

Regards,
Alex,


On 2-Jul-09, at 6:43 AM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:

 I hope so.  I haven't heard much either.

 Jane



 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of John Denning
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:39 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: viphone list?

 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.



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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread John Denning
I used the ggroup site to request being added to the list. If the  
admin is on here please let me know if there's a problem.

Requested for my me.com email.

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On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

 Hi,

 It is well.

 Regards,
 Alex,


 On 2-Jul-09, at 6:43 AM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:

 I hope so.  I haven't heard much either.

 Jane



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 ] On Behalf Of John Denning
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:39 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: viphone list?

 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.



 - JD -
 John Denning
 AIM: denni...@mac.com
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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi,

Cara is the admin.

Regards,
Alex,


On 2-Jul-09, at 7:29 AM, John Denning wrote:

 I used the ggroup site to request being added to the list. If the  
 admin is on here please let me know if there's a problem.

 Requested for my me.com email.

 - JD -
 John Denning
 AIM: denni...@me.com
 A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3
 And glad to be a Mac snob again!
 Roswell, GA




 On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

 Hi,

 It is well.

 Regards,
 Alex,


 On 2-Jul-09, at 6:43 AM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:

 I hope so.  I haven't heard much either.

 Jane



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 ] On Behalf Of John Denning
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:39 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: viphone list?

 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.



 - JD -
 John Denning
 AIM: denni...@mac.com
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 And glad to be a Mac snob again!
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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread larry
I haven't found a valid subscription address to the iphone list. If someone can 
supply an address to subscribe I would appreciate it.
thanks much larry 
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  Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:38 AM
  Subject: viphone list?


  Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few days ago and 
haven't heard anything yet.





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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread John Denning
I have
http://groups.google.com/group/viphone

But it hasn't helped me much:(

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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi,
Here,

iphone-subscr...@googlegroups.com

Regards,
Alex,


On 2-Jul-09, at 8:34 AM, larry wrote:

 I haven't found a valid subscription address to the iphone list. If  
 someone can supply an address to subscribe I would appreciate it.
 thanks much larry
 - Original Message -
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:38 AM
 Subject: viphone list?

 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

I have not been able to subscribe either. I sent email asking for help from 
Cara but have not heard back from her. I think she may be out of town.

Robert Carter

- Original Message -
From: larry lrmccre...@earthlink.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, Jul 2, 2009 9:35:18
Subject: Re: viphone list?



 
 
 I haven't found a valid subscription address to the iphone list. If someone 
 can supply an address to subscribe I would appreciate it.
 thanks much larry 
 - Original Message - 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:38 AM
 Subject: viphone list?
 
 
 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few days ago and 
 haven't heard anything yet. 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

When 
i try this address, I get a message back that this is a moderated list and one 
cannot subscribe via email.

Robert Carter

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, Jul 2, 2009 9:56:20
Subject: Re: viphone list?



 
 
 Hi,
 Here,
 
 
 iphone-subscr...@googlegroups.com
 
 
 Regards,
 Alex,
 
 
 
 
 On 2-Jul-09, at 8:34 AM, larry wrote:
 
 
 I haven't found a valid subscription address to the iphone list. If someone 
 can supply an address to subscribe I would appreciate it.
 thanks much larry 
 - Original Message -
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:38 AM
 Subject: viphone list?
 
 
 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few days ago and 
 haven't heard anything yet.
 
 
 
 
 
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2009-07-02 Thread John Denning
I tried sending an email to the address given and received this from  
google.

Hello denni...@me.com,

The group you attempted to subscribe to is moderated, and therefore  
can not be
subscribed to by email.

To request a subscription to this group, please visit the following  
page:
http://groups.google.com/group/iphone/subscribe


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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread patrickneazer
Hello Robert and all:

I do not know if you have a google account already or not. You will  
have to get a google account to subscribe to the list. Once you have a  
google account ... search for the group and then you will be asked to  
subscribe. say yes and presto ... you are in ... or at least that is  
what worked for me.

Take good care
On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Robert Carter wrote:


 Hi,

 When
 i try this address, I get a message back that this is a moderated  
 list and one cannot subscribe via email.

 Robert Carter

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 From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, Jul 2, 2009 9:56:20
 Subject: Re: viphone list?





 Hi,
 Here,


 iphone-subscr...@googlegroups.com


 Regards,
 Alex,




 On 2-Jul-09, at 8:34 AM, larry wrote:


 I haven't found a valid subscription address to the iphone list. If  
 someone can supply an address to subscribe I would appreciate it.
 thanks much larry
 - Original Message -
 From: John Denning
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:38 AM
 Subject: viphone list?


 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.





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Re: viPhone list

2009-07-02 Thread patrickneazer
Hello John and all:

This information is correct. I do not know if you have a google  
account though you will need one to subscribe.

Take good care.
On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:10 PM, John Denning wrote:

 I tried sending an email to the address given and received this from  
 google.

 Hello denni...@me.com,

 The group you attempted to subscribe to is moderated, and therefore  
 can not be
 subscribed to by email.

 To request a subscription to this group, please visit the following  
 page:
 http://groups.google.com/group/iphone/subscribe


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Re: viPhone list

2009-07-02 Thread John Denning
I just subscribed to the aiphone group and it did it first try with no  
delay. In face it pushed the page refresh showing I'm subscribed.

Yes I have a google acct, not a google email address, but do have an  
account.

The aiphone group doesn't appear to be active though, very few  
messages. I think Google has some issues also, shows number of members  
as 0.

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And glad to be a Mac snob again!
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On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:20 PM, patrickneazer wrote:

 Hello John and all:

 This information is correct. I do not know if you have a google  
 account though you will need one to subscribe.

 Take good care.
 On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:10 PM, John Denning wrote:

 I tried sending an email to the address given and received this  
 from google.

 Hello denni...@me.com,

 The group you attempted to subscribe to is moderated, and therefore  
 can not be
 subscribed to by email.

 To request a subscription to this group, please visit the following  
 page:
 http://groups.google.com/group/iphone/subscribe


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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Josh de Lioncourt

Cara Quinn is also the moderator for VI Phone. She is traveling this  
week with limited Internet access. Hang in there and I'm sure she will  
approve you all as soon as she has access to do so. :)

On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:29 AM, John Denning wrote:

 I used the ggroup site to request being added to the list. If the  
 admin is on here please let me know if there's a problem.

 Requested for my me.com email.

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 John Denning
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 On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

 Hi,

 It is well.

 Regards,
 Alex,


 On 2-Jul-09, at 6:43 AM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:

 I hope so.  I haven't heard much either.

 Jane



 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of John Denning
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:39 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: viphone list?

 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.



 - JD -
 John Denning
 AIM: denni...@mac.com
 A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3
 And glad to be a Mac snob again!
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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread John Denning
Then that explains it, thanks...

Just don't say anything important until we all get on:) I hate going  
backwards to read old messages. grin

I hope to have my iPhone soon. Since my employer requires me to have a  
phone I'm trying to get them to spring for it. About 9 months ago they  
finally gave me what they call an accessible phone. I can make the  
font just so slightly larger, and it speaks when you go into the  
contacts menu. Doesn't read contacts, just the menu. Now that there is  
a true off the shelf solution I want it.

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On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:

 Cara Quinn is also the moderator for VI Phone. She is traveling this  
 week with limited Internet access. Hang in there and I'm sure she  
 will approve you all as soon as she has access to do so. :)


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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Mike Reiser
Haven't recieved an approval yet on my subscription, hopefully will  
soon.

Mike
On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

 Hi,

 It is well.

 Regards,
 Alex,


 On 2-Jul-09, at 6:43 AM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote:

 I hope so.  I haven't heard much either.

 Jane



 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of John Denning
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:39 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: viphone list?

 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.



 - JD -
 John Denning
 AIM: denni...@mac.com
 A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3
 And glad to be a Mac snob again!
 Roswell, GA




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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Simon Cavendish

Apparently Cara is travelling for a week. Please bare with her. She is  
bound to respond as soon as she's back. I'm on VIPhone list, and it's  
going great guns.

Best wishes

Simon
On 2 Jul 2009, at 18:06, Robert Carter wrote:


 Hi,

 I have not been able to subscribe either. I sent email asking for  
 help from Cara but have not heard back from her. I think she may be  
 out of town.

 Robert Carter

 - Original Message -
 From: larry lrmccre...@earthlink.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thursday, Jul 2, 2009 9:35:18
 Subject: Re: viphone list?





 I haven't found a valid subscription address to the iphone list. If  
 someone can supply an address to subscribe I would appreciate it.
 thanks much larry
 - Original Message -
 From: John Denning
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:38 AM
 Subject: viphone list?


 Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few  
 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.





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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Scott Bresnahan

Hmm.  If Cara has limited access to the internet that doesn't speak 
well of her new iPHone.  Maybe it's not as accessible as we've been 
led to believe [insert evil laugh here]
Use case #1:  User on vacation.  User needs to read email.

Looking forward to hearing the real world report upon her return.

Cheers,
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Re: viphone list?

2009-07-02 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

Somebody said that joining Google Groups would help. I tried that and  
it didn't make any difference. I still get the message that the list  
is moderated. I did, however, have a lovely experience with the Solona  
captcha
solving service. It worked like a charm.O

Robert Carter

On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:


 Hmm.  If Cara has limited access to the internet that doesn't speak
 well of her new iPHone.  Maybe it's not as accessible as we've been
 led to believe [insert evil laugh here]
 Use case #1:  User on vacation.  User needs to read email.

 Looking forward to hearing the real world report upon her return.

 Cheers,
 Scott

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Subscribing to the viphone list

2009-06-29 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

When I send an email to subscribe to the viphone list, I get an email back
from google groups saying that it is a moderated list and one cannot
subscribe via email. It gives me a link for more information but the page is
just a sign up page to join google groups.

How do I proceed from here? I really want to join this list.

Thanks,

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Re: Subscribing to the viphone list

2009-06-29 Thread william lomas

it said i was joined yet i ahve received nothing from it

On 29 Jun 2009, at 10:58, Robert Carter wrote:


 Hi,

 When I send an email to subscribe to the viphone list, I get an  
 email back
 from google groups saying that it is a moderated list and one cannot
 subscribe via email. It gives me a link for more information but the  
 page is
 just a sign up page to join google groups.

 How do I proceed from here? I really want to join this list.

 Thanks,

 Robert Carter


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Re: Subscribing to the viphone list

2009-06-29 Thread Simon Cavendish

Robert,

I had a similar problem. Apparently to be able to subscribe to lists  
in Gogglegroups, you have to have a google account. There's a link on  
the page on googlegroups which says join and on the next page  
create a new account link. The only trouble is that in thep process  
of creating a new account, you have to enter some graphically  
represented letters and numbers into a box. A blind person requires  
sighted assistance to achieve this. There's an alternative link which  
gives you audio representations of these characters but I spent a  
couple of hours trying to hear the letters and I couldn't because they  
are so distorted. So I had to get sighted assistance. Hope this helps.

With best wishes

Simon
On 29 Jun 2009, at 10:58, Robert Carter wrote:


 Hi,

 When I send an email to subscribe to the viphone list, I get an  
 email back
 from google groups saying that it is a moderated list and one cannot
 subscribe via email. It gives me a link for more information but the  
 page is
 just a sign up page to join google groups.

 How do I proceed from here? I really want to join this list.

 Thanks,

 Robert Carter


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Re: Subscribing to the viphone list

2009-06-29 Thread Josh de Lioncourt


I believe that you just need to wait for the moderator to aprove you  
request now. You can shoot her off an email to caraqu...@caraquinn.com

She had to put the list into moderation, as a spam bot started posting  
to it, and as she's gone for a few days, it may take some time to  
aprove your request. :)

On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:58 AM, Robert Carter wrote:


 Hi,

 When I send an email to subscribe to the viphone list, I get an  
 email back
 from google groups saying that it is a moderated list and one cannot
 subscribe via email. It gives me a link for more information but the  
 page is
 just a sign up page to join google groups.

 How do I proceed from here? I really want to join this list.

 Thanks,

 Robert Carter


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