[maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. And please, keep the flame wars low ^_^. Best Regards, -- Eloi Crespillo Itchart ZEN Programari lliure i xarxes SLL [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ikuszen.com | www.grupoikusnet.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] package metadata for firmware images?
Hello, would it be possible to make package metadata available somewhere before they get stripped from final firmware images (for space reasons I suppose)? I've seen wiki page here http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_InstallAptGet but I suppose the best would be to have original metadata. This would help people to merge developer rootfs with their firmware image to test some things better. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have youfound to be essential to this task? Since I'm travelling, without a laptop, I find it handy to have everything inside my Nokia.I usually log in from a desktop over ssh, open up GNU screen and jmacs and starthacking. I only did stuff in Python however. Last couple of days I also did some developing without a desktop near, but that wasquite masochistic considering the Nokia's input methods... I really have to find myselfa Bluetooth keyboard... -- http://industree.org/guaka/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Hi there, that's an interesting question :-) I prefer to use vim and devhelp. I tried using Anjuta but it's too... basic :-) and Eclipse isn't very good for C development (I use it on a daily basis for Java development and currently I have to admit that Eclipse is getting really bad for Java as well). autotools, vim and devhelp proved to be the fastest way to learn the GTK API's and to actually do stuff without having a million other features getting in the way. -Original Message- From: Eloi Crespillo Itchart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:29:27 +0100 Subject: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development? Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. And please, keep the flame wars low ^_^. Best Regards, -- Eloi Crespillo Itchart ZEN Programari lliure i xarxes SLL [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ikuszen.com | www.grupoikusnet.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Hi! I currently use KDevelop. I also tried Anjuta and Eclipse with the laika plugin. Anjuta has only a very basic debugger, but a very good GTK API doc integration through devhelp and code completion for it. Eclipse haven't both. May be the debugger will be better in Anjuta 2.x... (if it ever will get stable). BTW: You can easily modify your projects in any IDE to make/debug inside scratchbox through the login command of scratchbox. There you can add the command (e.g. make or point to a script that executes gdb) which will then executed inside of scratchbox. Cheers, Timo Eloi Crespillo Itchart wrote: Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. And please, keep the flame wars low ^_^. Best Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Sorry to go offtopic, but eclispe isn't getting really bad for Java. I also use it daily for java development. The webtools addon just hit 1.0 a few weeks ago and works pretty well. The visual editor is also gettig better. As far as java goes, I've used several IDEs and eclipse is the best thing going and getting better with each version. I haven't dealt much with the C development plugin, so you could be right in your assessment there. For the 770, so far I've just used kate and command line stuff. It would be nice if Nokia could put out a jvm for this thing. I would use eclipse directly and just transfer .jar files to the device. -Luis Celso Pinto wrote: Hi there, that's an interesting question :-) I prefer to use vim and devhelp. I tried using Anjuta but it's too... basic :-) and Eclipse isn't very good for C development (I use it on a daily basis for Java development and currently I have to admit that Eclipse is getting really bad for Java as well). autotools, vim and devhelp proved to be the fastest way to learn the GTK API's and to actually do stuff without having a million other features getting in the way. -Original Message- From: Eloi Crespillo Itchart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:29:27 +0100 Subject: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development? Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. And please, keep the flame wars low ^_^. Best Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Hello, On Linux-PC: I am using usually just shell (gnome terminal) with multiple tabs, do all compiling stuff there (scratchbox tab), and usually KDE's Kate editor on another virtual screen. Works pretty fast to me and I haven't really needed IDE so far. I have been a fan of Ultraedit (for Windows) longer time ago (when I was making software for network elements) and the Kate editor has been quite ok replacement for it, not as nice as Ultraedit (Kate lacks hundreds of features that are present in Ultraedit but still has the most essential set of them), but nearly and the user interface is quite similar that I have used to and it integrates well to Gnome, KDE or Xfce desktops. If I need to edit something quickly (like changelog), then I just launch nano. And of course it is handy to have devhelp around to check API reference. And finally but not least, of course, web browser, to google code examples. And of course also a tab that has python open, I use it as calculator (when I don't have my HP48GX close at hand or it has batteries run out). Ok, nearly forgot, at home, our new kitten that walks on the keyboard and contributes noise to the code occasionally plus makes scratches to 770 screens (already did one little scratch unfortunately, fortunately it was not the 770 that is my own (my precisious, my treasure :), but one of those owned by Nokia :) )... At home I occasionally actually use Emacs, because Kate (the person, not the editor) prefers to use it and if I come to hack with the same machine, then I am too lazy to launch my own preferred editor and just do the changes with Emacs. Anyway, I prefer to use terminal for doing compiling. Best regards, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 13:29 +0100, Eloi Crespillo Itchart wrote: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. Encode, of course--the only IDE in the world that has been designed for Maemo development from the ground-up. :) http://encode.sourceforge.net/screenshots.xhtml (It's still beta, tough.) timo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. And please, keep the flame wars low ^_^. Yeah this is a highly religious subject.. I personally use vim and that's all I need. Encode is still under heavy development, but it looks promising if one likes IDEs. It is developed by Timo Savola who also wrote major parts of scratchbox, so these too are like born to be used together. Also a Xephyr window used to run the maemo in is integrated with encode. Br, Sampo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Encode, of course--the only IDE in the world that has been designed forMaemo development from the ground-up. :) http://encode.sourceforge.net/screenshots.xhtmlLooks good. What about a LiveCD containing this thing?And, is it possible to use Encode for Python development? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 12:26 -0300, Kasper Souren wrote: Looks good. What about a LiveCD containing this thing? LiveCD authors are free to include it, but it's still missing crucial features so I would wait a while. And, is it possible to use Encode for Python development? Of course (I use Encode for developing Encode). It just integrates different tools. timo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Timo Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Encode, of course--the only IDE in the world that has been designed for Maemo development from the ground-up. :) Looks nice - seems like I'm going to give it a try soon. Currently I'm using Emacs (and ecb). I've done some changes to tramp to allow dired travelling and editing of files on the 770 via the network using ssh. They are in the process of being submitted to the tramp distribution, but if anyone could use them now, mail me. Heike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... Vim is good enough for me (vi keystrokes ingrained in my central nervous system over 20 years...). Julf ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Not IDE stuff as such but those trying to create something for direct development on the device itself (I'm using oorexx) may find a VNC server for the 770 useful. So here you go - http://mike.saunby.net/770/x11vnc a port of http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ Regards, Michael Saunby ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Eloi Crespillo Itchart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... Emacs for me. I haven't done very much yet, but Maemo development doesn't seem so different from development in general. I'd consider an IDE if it used Emacs as its text editor; otherwise I'd just lose too much functionality by moving to an IDE. (And why oh why does every IDE need to reinvent the editing wheel anyway?) Regards, Neil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Using network connection within emulator
Hi, I managed to install maemo and all the needed stuff to develop applications for the Nokia 770. Now I was wondering if it is possible to use the internet connection of my PC to emulate the WLAN connection of the 770 since I need network connectivity for my project. I don't own a 770 right now, but I want to start developing soon. So if anyone has got an idea, please let me know. Michael ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Getting the pl2303 usb serial driver to work with /dev/ttyUSB0
Ed, The problem was the belkin hub, using an iogear all works. Oddly I cannot find a problem with the belkin in normal use -- all a ports work under suse, as does the b port. This makes me worry about the cable hack, could there be a floating ground between the a b ports in some hubs, etc ? Anyway I can open /dev/ttyUSB0 and open, tcsetattr, install signal handlers, etc. Thanks! Mark -Original Message- From: Ed Bartosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 04:49 AM To: ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ext [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Getting the pl2303 usb serial driver to work with /dev/ttyUSB0 Hi, I'm sorry, I missed your point. I thought you need console on usb2serial device. I'd suggest you to get console first just to make sure everything is ok, then try with your application. If getty works and your application doesn't you always can look into getty sources :) My environment: I'm using ATEN USB-Serial converter model UC-232A and modified USB HUB Targus model PA050. Here is what I have in dmesg when I connect the usb2serial device: [ 121.367797] USB cable connected [ 121.475891] hub 1-0:1.0: port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling... [ 121.482788] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2 [ 121.654632] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci and address 3 [ 121.885620] hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found [ 121.890502] hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected [ 122.013061] usb 1-1: 92mA over 8mA budget! [ 122.017425] hub 1-0:1.0: 92mA over power budget! [ 122.235351] usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device using ohci and address 4 [ 122.334350] usb 1-1.1: device v0557 p2008 is not supported [ 122.362060] pl2303 1-1.1:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected [ 122.385772] usb 1-1.1: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 And device node has been also created by udev: Nokia770-07:~# ls -l /dev/ttyUSB* crw-rw 1 root dialout 188, 0 Jan 4 21:06 /dev/ttyUSB0 This is from /proc/bus/usb/devices: T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=03 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 4 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0557 ProdID=2008 Rev= 3.00 S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc. S: Product=USB-Serial Controller C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=100mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=pl2303 E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 10 Ivl=1ms E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms Good luck! On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 00:54 +, ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, Many thanks for the reply -- I am using an IOGEAR GUC232A, which works fine on my SuSe 9.3 dev machine. Just to make sure I flashed to the latest image 2005.51-13 -- thus replacing my custom kernel. No /dev/ttyUSB0, etc. I don't need a getty, just a serial device. We hope to be able to talk to the rs-232 port on a very specialized bit of test equipment using software that already runs on a SuSe 9.3 laptop. Our app builds fine under the SDK_ARM, and is very generic -- only using bits of: #include termios.h #include stdio.h #include unistd.h #include fcntl.h #include sys/signal.h #include sys/types.h Once I am able to talk to the device our hope is to add a GUI for display of acquired spectra, calibration, etc. It would be wonderful not to have to lug a laptop about as is done now. As of now -- I am thinking it may be the hub -- still looking. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Ed Bartosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 04:52 PM To: ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Getting the pl2303 usb serial driver to work with /dev/ttyUSB0 Hi, PL2303 driver is compiled into n770 kernel: grep ^CONFIG_USB_SERIAL arch/arm/configs/n770_defconfig CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_PL2303=y My pl2303-compatible usb-2-serial adapter works with n770 without any modifications. Unfortunately I don't remember the model. I'll tell you tomorrow if it's needed. And you probably don't need to makedev devices. udev should take care of them. inittab should also be modified to run getty on ttyUSB0 if usb2serial device is connected to n770 on boot stage. Look at /etc/init.d/ttyusb for the details. On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 19:36, ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I need to get usbserial working so that my application can communicate with a bit of specialized hardware via rs-232 -- using a PL2303 USB to serial adapter. I've checked the kernel config and see the pl2303 driver is there, and have rebuilt the kernel without the serial console (under the usbserial config). Flashed the kernel, and used flasher to enable USB host, etc. MAKEDEV usb builds the device special files, /dev/ttyUSB0, etc. However I cannot open the device -- so such device error. Has anyone else done this ? Any info, suggestions
Re: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Eloi Crespillo Itchart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... It could be interesting to know which tools have you found to be more suitable for this task. It could also be interesting to know if you use them to develop maemo itself or userspace apps. For the few programs I've been working on to get working on maemo I've used the following path. First develop and test on standard Linux system, using XEmacs for editing (and launching compiler and going through errors) If the application is a GUI one I launch scratchbox environment. I use my wrapper script called http://www.iki.fi/too/sw/maemo/sboxruntool.sh to make it easy to launch the system. If there is changes to be made I add #ifdefs to the code during more development to get software work good on both environments. Last part is to move software to N770, test there and possibly make even more develop/test cycles to get it working there too. If application is CLI one, I skip the scratchbox. I just revcp appbin 770:. and then enter revsh 770 shell and test there... XEmacs/tramp/revsh -combo has been in my mind If I liked to edit files remotely on N770... or compiling zile for N770 could be an option (to get poor man's emacs but that is good for the simple tasks) Best Regards, -- Eloi Crespillo Itchart ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
