Re: [maemo-developers] lifeguard-reset (was: Repositories)
Hi, what is the price to pay, if I run always with no-lifeguard-reset? When some crusial system service goes down (e.g. because it was killed by kernel in out-of-memory situation, or because it was buggy and crashed) and you not being able to use the device. Another alternative would be to change the SW watchdog policies in the init scripts under /etc from reseting the device to restarting the failing process. For more information, see dsmetool -h and grep the files under /etc/ on the device. I've tested a bit what happens when different processes die and I'm not sure doing this is much of use: - If X server dies, all it's clients exit (all UI processes) - If either D-BUS daemon dies, all it's clients exit (all UI processes and most of others) - If maemo-launcher dies, about all UI processes (including desktop) exit/die too Restarting Desktop and Matchbox window manager would be feasible, but you might have some funny artefacts (like fullscreen wide statusbar that pushes all app windows its height downwards). There might be also some other always running processes which trigger device reset, please feel free to test the effects of kill -KILL PID. :-) - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Repositories
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 16:07 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Am Dienstag, 5. September 2006 10:48 schrieb Miko Nieminen: If you upgrade system critical applications then you should disable lifeguard before that. This can be done with command /path/to/flasher-2.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset. After this you should run apt-get upgrade and reboot the device. Miko, do I set the no-lifeguard-reset flag while it is running? This is something you need to do at the desktop side. Connect your device to your desktop with USB cable and use flasher to disable this lifeguard. There are couple of wiki pages telling about flasher: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Flasher_tool_usage http://maemo.org/maemowiki/RdMode You might want to try also /path/to/flasher --help and when running /path/to/flasher-2.0 --set-rd-flags without those actual flags you will get list of possible flags. Is it cleared after reboot? When you set these with flasher those are not cleared after reboot. If I remember correctly, RD mode can be enable from device it self so that it will be cleared after reboot, but I don't remember how this can be done. Is it required that the 770 is in rd-mode? Right now I can't remember if you need to have rd-mode enabled to disable lifeguard reset and currently I can't test it, but maybe someone can confirm that. Sincerely, -- Miko Nieminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Repositories
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 21:00 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Am Dienstag, 5. September 2006 10:48 schrieb Miko Nieminen: If you upgrade system critical applications then you should disable lifeguard before that. This can be done with command /path/to/flasher-2.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset. After this you should run apt-get upgrade and reboot the device Miko, what is the price to pay, if I run always with no-lifeguard-reset? If something goes wrong your device won't reboot automatically. I think that you should use no-lifeguard-reset and RD mode only if you are doing some development work. In normal use you shouldn't use these modes. If you use RD mode all the time you'r device will go on easier and I think that some of the power save features are not on (I'm not sure about this). There are also different policies about what should be done if processes under lifeguard dies. Some times processes are restarted and sometimes device should be rebooted. If you disable lifeguard reset it might be that lifeguard doesn't work at all after. Or does that flag prevent only rebooting the device? Could someone confirm this? If I only have to do a hard reset by taking off the battery from time to time, instead of having the comfort of an automatic reboot, that could be an interesting option I wouldn't do that kind of hard reset. It is possible that some applications might end up into inconsistent state. Normal lifeguard caused reboot is just ordinary soft reboot. I would use the device with default settings when using it in everyday life. Sincerely, -- Miko Nieminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] lifeguard-reset (was: Repositories)
Am Donnerstag, 7. September 2006 09:01 schrieb Eero Tamminen: Hi, what is the price to pay, if I run always with no-lifeguard-reset? When some crusial system service goes down (e.g. because it was killed by kernel in out-of-memory situation, or because it was buggy and crashed) and you not being able to use the device. After removing the battery and insert it again, the device should reboot, just like the watchdog would do automatically. Right? Thanks, Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch Alzentalstr. 28 D-71083 Herrenberg 07032-919495 ICq 32550367 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] lifeguard-reset (was: Repositories)
Hi, After removing the battery and insert it again, the device should reboot, just like the watchdog would do automatically. Right? I think also the power button should work normally even when lifeguard is disabled... - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Repositories
Hi, [rd-flags] Is it cleared after reboot? When you set these with flasher those are not cleared after reboot. I have the impression that rd-flags aren't cleared even when one re-flashs the device... - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] GTKHTML problem
Hi ya all, I am a part of a group developing an app for the maemo platform. We have come upon a problem with copying text from a GTKHTML component. The problem is that when one taps and holds on a window containing it, previously selected text gets unselected. We would like to implement a context pop up menu containing Copy/Paste options and this nuisance makes it a little difficult. Has anybody got any experience with GTK or GTKHTML and could give us some help? Thanks in advance. --- cheers, Krzysztof Sasiak ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] osso-pdf-viewer sources availability
Hi On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 12:52:38PM +0300, Kirill Belokurov wrote: Can anyone clarify situation with this package? It would be nice to add few features to the PDF viewer, but without sources it is impossible :) Source code requests that are not part of maemo platform (and, as result, are not available at maemo.org) should go to: Source Code Requests Multimedia Nokia Corporation P.O.Box 407 FIN 00045 Nokia Group AFAIK, this information is available in the manual (the very last section) and you can also see it if open Control Panel/Device/About product page. Hope this helps Regards -- Misha signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Repositories
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 21:00 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: what is the price to pay, if I run always with no-lifeguard-reset? I disabled lifeguard-reset a few weeks ago and am quite happy with it since then. In my opinion lifeguard-reset is a nice feature for the unskilled end-user, but not for Linux-skilled users like me. Please read http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-August/001801.html and the follow-ups. Armin. --- May the Source be with you! Linux. --- --- secure eMail: http://www.gnupg.de/ --- --- My Homepage http://armin-warda.de/ --- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Touchscreen API
Hello, I'm trying to port Qt Embedded and Opie to the N770. So far, I have managed to stop the X server and have the example Qt applications running straight on the framebuffer. However, I still lack touchscreen support. The device node seems to be /dev/input/event2 but nothing happens when I configure Qt to use this device. Running cat /dev/input/event2 and playing with the touchscreen does nothing, contrary to other input devices (ie. when you move a mouse, the screen gets covered with garbage). I have tried every node in /dev/input/, they all behave the same. Any ideas ? If you know where the source code of Xomap is, I could search it for what I need about accessing the touchscreen, but I can't find it. Regards, Sebastien ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Touchscreen API
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sebastien Bourdeauducq schreef: Hello, I'm trying to port Qt Embedded and Opie to the N770. So far, I have managed to stop the X server and have the example Qt applications running straight on the framebuffer. However, I still lack touchscreen support. The device node seems to be /dev/input/event2 but nothing happens when I configure Qt to use this device. Running cat /dev/input/event2 and playing with the touchscreen does nothing, contrary to other input devices (ie. when you move a mouse, the screen gets covered with garbage). I have tried every node in /dev/input/, they all behave the same. You need tslib and some patches to unbreak the broken qt/e tslib handling. I suspect the opie(-devel) mailing lists would be a better place for your questions, since maemo-developers is a mailinglist dedicated to the GTK+ based maemo environment :) regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFAC2+MkyGM64RGpERAj7uAJ9c/awEhuSRyJXBJ7RPjApX3e97OACfYS50 zcuPwpNp4i2KwIPAKtFT/MM= =RNQL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re : Touchscreen API
2006/9/7, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need tslib and some patches to unbreak the broken qt/e tslib handling. I suspect the opie(-devel) mailing lists would be a better place for your questions, since maemo-developers is a mailinglist dedicated to the GTK+ based maemo environment :) Ok. But I want to make sure the N770 touchscreen uses the standard API. Is the behaviour with cat normal ? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re : Touchscreen API
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 04:46:26PM +0200, ext Sebastien Bourdeauducq wrote: 2006/9/7, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You need tslib and some patches to unbreak the broken qt/e tslib handling. I suspect the opie(-devel) mailing lists would be a better place for your questions, since maemo-developers is a mailinglist dedicated to the GTK+ based maemo environment :) Ok. But I want to make sure the N770 touchscreen uses the standard API. Is the behaviour with cat normal ? What you're seeing is normal, yes. You need to be using tslib, and also make sure that nothing else has the device open. Cheers, Daniel signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Do you want to save this network annoyance
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Executive summary: Subject says it all. Nelson on IRC brought this up, I filed a bug, and at least Koen agreed on IRC :-) - - Currently whenever I try to connect to a WLAN I am asked if I want to save that connection. This is a bit too annoying and could be reduced in 2 steps: 1) Only offer to save after actually getting an IP address via DHCP, it is not worth saving a connection which does not actually work and where we did not specify a static IP. 2) Only saving a connection on the users request (e.g. through the connectivity manager, or by pressing the menu button and saving an entry in the network search list etc). Very often you might only want to use a random WLAN only once and never go back. As it is, you have to click away one superfluous dialog most of the time. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=753 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFAHU7btVRNeSDtgERAjpTAKDIvX3driqayVI7IafMEz+tlgGqGACdE3z+ lO7vEQ6dg1awe8ayGKkZl/c= =zbvz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Issues with ARM target binaries
The never ending story... I tried to install also the debs and to use sbrsh instead of qemu-arm, but I still have the same error: ./a.out: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I'm really clueless about what to do or to try. I'm running debian sid, linux kernel 2.6.16.18, scratchbox 0.98 and maemo 2.0 rootstraps. Best regards, Luca ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: rebooting constantly after upgrading packages
I wasn't so lucky. Will have to reinstall... Laurent On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 11:09 +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: Hi, I tried the red pill mode and noticed that a new version of gst-plugins-farsight was available. I installed it, and now everything works perfect again! Thanks very much for updating the broken package :) Greets. On 9/2/06, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Álvaro J. Iradier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the difference between apt-get upgrading and using the application manager search for updates option? I thought it was the same... No, not exactly. What the Application manager does is more similar to apt-get install. It will not upgrade the system packages automatically theway apt-get upgrade does. If upgrading is not meant for consumers, why is that broken package in the maemo repository? Shouldn't it be in sardine? I mean, what's the point on having updated packages? You are spot on. This is chaos and the mistral repositories should not contain the broken packages. They need to be fixed and/or reverted to the same version that is in the IT2006 flash image. People here are aware of this... (and also appropriately embarrassed). :) For the record I was hit too and hopefully found help on #maemo so I could get out of the reboot cycles. I did not realize that the application manager wasn't doing the same things as apt-get upgrade until too late. When the mistral repositories are fixed, what's the best course, apt-get upgrade again? (I do it through ssh from my regular PC.) Thanks in advance, Laurent ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
