Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
Ferenc Szekely wrote: Hello, Every now and then we have some nasty edits at maemo's wiki. To avoid this I have been thinking to disable anonymous edits till we have a solution which: -either detects spam and reverts a page if necessary, or -provides a challenge-response test (captcha [1]) before submitting a page (Thanks Adam L for proposing it) Any news on this? How far is the solution? Maybe we could just lock the FrontPage. I wonder why the spammer adds just CategoryBluetooth without spam links. Is he stupid or google takes links from the comments in RecentChages page? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:22:41AM +0200, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Ferenc Szekely wrote: Hello, Every now and then we have some nasty edits at maemo's wiki. To avoid this I have been thinking to disable anonymous edits till we have a solution which: -either detects spam and reverts a page if necessary, or -provides a challenge-response test (captcha [1]) before submitting a page (Thanks Adam L for proposing it) Any news on this? How far is the solution? Maybe we could just lock the FrontPage. I wonder why the spammer adds just CategoryBluetooth without spam links. Is he stupid or google takes links from the comments in RecentChages page? Are you sure there are no links? I've had spammers spam a Trac wiki with lots of links inside a div style=display: none. Marius Gedminas -- I'm a sorceress, not a miracle worker. -- The Spellsong War by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
Marius Gedminas wrote: Are you sure there are no links? I've had spammers spam a Trac wiki with lots of links inside a div style=display: none. Yes, go to http://maemo.org/maemowiki/FrontPage?action=info and use the links View, Raw on the right. Links are not in the page (revision 221 as example) but just in the comments field. This is puzzling, looks like stupid vandalism without any gain for anyone. Probably some automatic script which fills wrong text field. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
Hello, Every now and then we have some nasty edits at maemo's wiki. To avoid this I have been thinking to disable anonymous edits till we have a solution which: -either detects spam and reverts a page if necessary, or -provides a challenge-response test (captcha [1]) before submitting a page (Thanks Adam L for proposing it) Disabling anonymous edits would be temporary only, since it is against the idea of the wikis. Before doing anything I would be interested in your opinion. Does somebody have an idea which could be easily integrated into moinmoin (the wiki engine maemo.org uses)? Or shall we just leave the situation as is and revert the pages manually? I would appreciate your thoughts and comments on this issue. -ferenc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
Hello, Every now and then we have some nasty edits at maemo's wiki. To avoid this I have been thinking to disable anonymous edits till we have a solution which: -either detects spam and reverts a page if necessary, or -provides a challenge-response test (captcha [1]) before submitting a page (Thanks Adam L for proposing it) Disabling anonymous edits would be temporary only, since it is against the idea of the wikis. Most other open source projects' wikis also require log-in. It just makes it easier to see who did what. But until you have some challenge system, you'll still have some spam even with a login. The spammers just generate users. But it cuts it down a bit. Before doing anything I would be interested in your opinion. Does somebody have an idea which could be easily integrated into moinmoin (the wiki engine maemo.org uses)? Or shall we just leave the situation as is and revert the pages manually? I would appreciate your thoughts and comments on this issue. Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
Ferenc Szekely wrote: Disabling anonymous edits would be temporary only, since it is against the idea of the wikis. I don't mind fixing the frontpage few times until proper solution is implemented (challenge/response looks ideal). I would disable anonymous logins only when situation gets worse. Personally if site (blog, wiki, forum) wants registration from me for posting casual comments/hints/suggestions/corrrections I think twice and then just forget it. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
On 12/09/2006, at 4:39 PM, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Ferenc Szekely wrote: Disabling anonymous edits would be temporary only, since it is against the idea of the wikis. I don't mind fixing the frontpage few times until proper solution is implemented (challenge/response looks ideal). I would disable anonymous logins only when situation gets worse. Personally if site (blog, wiki, forum) wants registration from me for posting casual comments/hints/suggestions/corrrections I think twice and then just forget it. This is the reason why those of us who maintain the Tclers Wiki (http://wiki.tcl.tk) have avoided logins so far, although the topic comes up regularly. Our attitude is that it is like a shop window - sure you'll get some vandalism from time to time, but you don't want to board it up and create barriers to people contributing. The Tclers Wiki is one of the bigger Wiki's around (containing tens of thousands of pages) and there are a couple of things that we do to minimise the pain from Spammers. The first (and perhaps most significant) is to include 'rel=nofollow' in all links, and to prominently display the following message on all edit pages (in case the mailing list software filters the image, you can see it at http://mini.net/pub/nofollow.gif) Most Wiki spammers seem to get the message - adding a URL to any page will not increase its page rank in Google. The second measure is to make it trivially simple to revert to a previous version of a page. This means that spam is usually replaced very quickly (by anyone with the interest in doing so) and the spammers soon tire of playing the game. Of course, you need a simple way to roll forward too. I'll leave others to judge whether these are appropriate to the Maemo wiki, but thought I'd share the experience in any case. Steve -- Steve Landers Software Design Solutions Digital Smarties [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perth, Western Australia DigitalSmarties.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
Steve Landers wrote: The first (and perhaps most significant) is to include 'rel=nofollow' in all links, and to prominently display the following message on all edit pages This assumes that spammers are smart enough to read the message, understand it, and care. Given the evidence, I would assert all three assumptions are false. I would say that if somebody values their words so little that they would not create a login, then the rest of us should accept their valuation as well - and not allow them to access the system. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
On 12/09/06, David D. Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Landers wrote: The first (and perhaps most significant) is to include 'rel=nofollow' in all links, and to prominently display the following message on all edit pages This assumes that spammers are smart enough to read the message, understand it, and care. Given the evidence, I would assert all three assumptions are false. Fair enough, thought it wouldn't hurt unless #EditPageViews * $SizeOfImage got too large. I doubt Nokia's /particularly/ short on bandwidth, however ... I would say that if somebody values their words so little that they would not create a login, then the rest of us should accept their valuation as well - and not allow them to access the system. I disagree strongly. I made a fair few tidy-up additions to the maemo wiki before creating an account. These minor alterations were made in response to, for example, following a howto and noticing inaccuracies as I went along and are - IMHO - just the sort of low-barrier-to-entry modifications we should welcome from any passing good-willed user. I agree with the person who, earlier in this thread, said (paraphrasing) when I find a wiki with an account creation *requirement*, I often walk on by. If they don't want my informal contribution in a *revision*controlled*, wiki environment where they can throw it away if it proves not to be useful then that's fine - they won't get it. Kind regards, Jonathan -- Jonathan Matthews-Levine | e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. -- Catherine Aird ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
On 12/09/06, Jonathan Matthews-Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair enough, thought it wouldn't hurt unless #EditPageViews * s/thought/though/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Landers schreef: The first (and perhaps most significant) is to include 'rel=nofollow' in all links, and to prominently display the following message on all edit pages Wouldn't that also keep a large part of the wiki out of google? regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFBuSPMkyGM64RGpERAmYTAKCwT7jKweSnyjt69wN8tZxLwbkciQCgvcgq fknNgg2UiGrD85Oaeld3ChU= =uHob -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
-- Forwarded message -- From: Hannu Kotipalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12-Sep-2006 15:12 Subject: VS: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki To: Jonathan Matthews-Levine Looks like I'm not allowed to email to the list; and I won't bother to create a login just for this mail... ;-) feel free to copy or comment my email on the list.. Hannu -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Hannu Kotipalo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: 12. syyskuuta 2006 17:09 Vastaanottaja: 'Jonathan Matthews-Levine'; 'maemo developers' Aihe: VS: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki I disagree strongly. I made a fair few tidy-up additions to the maemo wiki before creating an account. These minor alterations were made in response to, for example, following a howto and noticing inaccuracies as I went along and are - IMHO - just the sort of low-barrier-to-entry modifications we should welcome from any passing good-willed user. Maybe there should be a 'voting time' for every change: After a change, there should be a 'bullshit' button near the changed text. If enought readers (hopefully good-willed users..) during the voting time presses the button, the change should be discarded automatically. ;-) Of course there should be some mechanics to prevent same person voting several times etc.. Hannu -- Jonathan Matthews-Levine | e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.-- Catherine Aird ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] spam at maemo wiki
On 13/09/2006, at 12:47 AM, Koen Kooi wrote: Steve Landers schreef: The first (and perhaps most significant) is to include 'rel=nofollow' in all links, and to prominently display the following message on all edit pages Wouldn't that also keep a large part of the wiki out of google? No - it keeps any links in the Wiki from being considered when calculating the page rank. We (i.e. the Tcl community) regularly use Google to search the Tclers Wiki (e.g. nokia 770 site:wiki.tcl.tk). Regards Steve ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
