Re: bluetooth keyboards and N900
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Jeffrey Mark Siskind q...@purdue.eduwrote: This could be a showstopper for me as it would break my central use case. And I would need to cancel my order and consider buying something else (like a Pandora, Netwalker, or M1/M2). I too would like to see full keyboard support in Maemo 5. But why the threats to buy a competing device? Are you hoping to scare someone into fixing this? -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 versus N810
N900 is a lot faster, but the screen is tiny. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.comwrote: Hi, ext Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 01:40:17PM -0400, R. A. Bilonick wrote: I see that Nokia advertises the N900 as a mobile computer, not primarily as a phone. So I was wondering how the N900 compares to N810 in terms of processing speed, wireless connection speed, and so forth, in actual use. After using a N900 for two days, I didn't want to even touch my old N810. I still use N810 for browsing lightweight www-sites (like the great Linux Weekly News lwn.net one) because it has larger screen and for some other things where larger screen matters less than performance (my eyes are getting old...). It's also still OK as an extra internet radio / mobile news video player. N810 having more keys (4 rows instead of 3) also compensates somewhat for the otherwise noticeably better N900 keyboard. Otherwise, there's no competition. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Mapping the N900 keyboard?
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:50:23PM -0700, Qole wrote:
I'll try on the users list first, and then I'll try the development list.
How does one map custom keys on the N900?
I've had partial success by doing this:
$ xkbcomp :0 default.xkb
$ vi default.xkb
comment out the two rules that cause syntax errors:
// interpret AccessX_Enable+AnyOfOrNone(all) {
// action= LockControls(controls=);
// };
// interpret MouseKeys_Accel_Enable+AnyOfOrNone(all) {
// action= LockControls(controls=);
// };
Now you can restore the settings back by running
$ xkbcmp default.xkb :0
if you screw up and end up with a nonfunctional keyboard.
Next
$ cp default.xkb mg.xkb
$ vi mg.xkb
key RGHT {
type= FOUR_LEVEL,
symbols[Group1]= [ Right, Right, Tab, Tab ]
};
$ xkbcomp mg.xkb :0
and now Fn+Right arrow is a Tab key.
Sadly I don't know enough about xkbcomp to see if it's possible to make
it load incomplete maps on top of the current configuration, just to
update a few symbols without replicating the full configuration.
None of the changes I make to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51
have any effect (yes I reboot after changing the file).
Maybe the files in /var/cache/xkb contain precompiled versions of those?
I'm not adventurous enough to go and start editing files in /usr/.
Although creating a new symbols file in there and loading it on top of
the defaults with setxkbmap ought to maybe work...
Thank you for your help. That works to get me started.
Now to return your favour:
Replace
type= FOUR_LEVEL,
symbols[Group1]= [ Right, Right, Tab, Tab ]
with
type= PC_FN_LEVEL2,
symbols[Group1]= [ Right, Tab ]
and you will retain the ability to highlight text with shift-right arrow.
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Re: Mapping the N900 keyboard?
Sorry, I was unclear about the place to post this. Technically, this is a user problem (a power user wants to remap some keys, nothing to do with developing a package), which is why I tried -users first. - Original message - ext Qole wrote: I'll try on the users list first, and then I'll try the development list. Why trying to get an answer from Nokia developers for a developer question in maemo-users? Kimmo co are all in maemo-developers. Sorry, I can't help you myself. Quim ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Mapping the N900 keyboard?
I'll try on the users list first, and then I'll try the development list. How does one map custom keys on the N900? None of the changes I make to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 have any effect (yes I reboot after changing the file). Can someone in Nokia comment on this? -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Easy Debian
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:24 AM, sean tech.j...@myfairpoint.net wrote: The browsers I found to be much too slow. I agree, the browsers are there mainly for full desktop browser compatibility. Epiphany is faster than Firefox, and if you absolutely must run a Java applet on the tablet, it is your best bet for doing so. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:24 AM, sean tech.j...@myfairpoint.net wrote: I tried and received errors about finding packages when I tried to install Ekiga. Will your package install and run Ekiga? It is amazing that there is no native Ekiga client for Maemo. Seems like a real missed opportunity. I tried Ekiga too. I couldn't overcome the audio limitations; I failed to get the app working. -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Easy Debian
Sean, Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I was on vacation, and I don't watch the mailing lists very closely (I watch the talk.maemo.org forums more closely). You can put the Easy Debian image file (the one that has a file name that ends in .img.ext2) anywhere you want. Edit the IMGFILE line of your /home/user/.chroot file to point to the image file's location. For example, if you put your image file into the MyDocs folder in your tablet's home directory, edit the .chroot file to say: IMGFILE=/home/user/MyDocs/debian-squeeze.img.ext2 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM, sean tech.j...@myfairpoint.net wrote: I have my N800 configured to boot from a cloned 32GB card so I have over 27GB of free space. The is a 500Mb fat partition, that has already been reduced since I extended virtual memory to it. The easy debian turbo package is installed, but I instead downloaded the required image myself and save it into a directory. Is there anyway I can get the debian image to run from my main partition? Starting an app such as Openoffice just starts the process of a download and only lets me choose a memory card as an option. Thanks Sean ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Full screen non-Hildon X applications possible?
My Easy Debian package uses xbindkeys and wmctrl to make any application full screen. It is included in the package as Set Debian HW Keys. If you don't want to download the 1.1 GB file just to make applications full screen, you can install the easy-deb-chroot package from extras and then look at the /home/user/xbindkeysrc.scm to see how I did it. Basically, you need to install wmctrl and xbindkeys (you're on your own there; I use the Debian versions), then use xbindkeys to run this command when you press a key or key combination (in my case, you press the - hardware key and the fullscreen hardware key to toggle): wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -b toggle,fullscreen On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:53:36 +0200, Damien Challet wrote: It is possible to have any (windowed) application with xbindkeys and wmctrl in full screen, google wmctrl maemo xbindkeys it works very well for emacs, nxclient, etc. Excellent. Thanks. I'll pursue this avenue. It's interesting that the search in maemo.org's talk forum didn't find this thread. Thanks again, eric ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device
Feel free to add your thoughts about the N900 rumours to the 1325+ posts on the N900 specs revealed thread over on talk.maemo.org. Every tiny detail about the leak has been discussed for pages and pages, including possible price, screen size, dpad (or lack thereof), keyboard, phone capability (or lack thereof), interspersed with hundreds of posts saying, Wow, Nokia! It's about time! or How could you, Nokia! I'll never buy one! There's even a couple cameo appearances by Nokia employees! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Quim Gilquim@nokia.com wrote: Hi, Maemo users interested in this thread will surely be interested in Intel and Nokia agreement on New tablets collaboration http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29825 and even Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29816 -- Quim Gil open source advocate Maemo Devices @ Nokia One of the threads mentions an N900, which somebody has mentioned on this list before. I was curious, so I googled it. I would actually reconsider my previous stance and maybe even buy the N900 if the specs in these links are accurate: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/25/nokia-n900-rover-tablet-gets-pictured-specd/ http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/article/nokia-n900-79259 http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ http://www.nokian900.com/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-rumors/#more-15 http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-rover-internet-tablet-details-leak-2644704/ However, $750 and and/or a smaller screen would be showstoppers for me. Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement for me. If they can't get the price to netbook levels or less, it's highly unlikely that a single soul will buy them. I think that's been the major issue with the tablets in the past: considering the features, the price is way above everybody's threshold until about the time the new model comes out, making the old one (depending on one's viewpoint) obsolete. ...but I strongly suspect that those leaked specs are all somebody's fantasy. And I think it's highly unlikely that it will be released in the next few weeks (they're saying July 2009), or even this summer. Next spring would be much easier to believe. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- enthusiast, n. One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
Just a small correction: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Alberto Garcia agar...@igalia.com wrote: People have already ported software that is much more complex than telnet, such as OpenOffice, KDE or Pidgin. Nobody has ported OpenOffice. I developed a hack that runs OpenOffice in a Debian chroot. This same Debian chroot can also run every command line tool available within Debian, including telnet, nmap and netcat. All of these (and hundreds more) are available with a simple apt-get install. Ubuntu has also made a tablet-compatible armel distribution available, and so you can chroot into an Ubuntu rootfs as well. It is also possible to set up an entire development environment in the chroot that allows you to build Debian or Ubuntu source packages on the tablet. I built the entire Enlightenment e17 suite on-tablet using an Ubuntu chroot and a turnkey build script that I downloaded. It took the tablet 8-10 hours to do it ;-) ... but it worked! I don't believe it is Nokia's responsibility to provide developers with hacker's tools. Especially since they are free for the taking in several other places. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Office document support
Well, if you can wait a minute for OpenOffice to start, it works well enough; especially if you're familiar with the performance of computers from 1996. :-) The install includes a few menu icons and 'debbie oowriter' will start the word processor from the command line (or in Personal Menu). You want 'dbus switchboard' if you want to do MIME type handling. You can assign applications to file types so clicking on links in the browser, the file manager or in an e-mail will launch your chosen app. DBus Switchboard: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757 - Original message - I will look into the easy-deb-chroot stuff (running Debian since 1996 on all my systems:-). So far I thought chroot is only a toy and openoffice is far too heavy for realworld usage. How enduser friendly is such an installation. E.g. can it be configured that clicking on a ppt document in the browser opens OpenOffice as viewer right away? Do I have to start OO always from the cmd line or is there an easy way to make it showing up in any kind of menu? Many thanks, Rainer Am Freitag, 17. April 2009 schrieb Qole: There are several ways to view MS Office / OpenOffice documents on the tablet. My favorite, of course, is my project, Easy Debian (easy-deb-chroot in Extras) which allows you to run full OpenOffice right on the tablet. See also: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/easy-deb-chroot/ - Original message - Hello, earlier this week a friend asked me for a recommendation for an internet tablet. Pretty much all his requirements were met by N810 (and there would be extra goodies in the N810) except viewing office formats. Does anybody know what is the status of viewing MS office and openoffice documents on the N810? If that is unfeasible right now, what would be a good alternative? EeePC? Or is there something more portable? Many thanks, Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch Lärchenstr. 6 D-72135 Dettenhausen 07157-734133 email: rdor...@web.de jabber: rdor...@jabber.org GPG Fingerprint: 5966 C54C 2B3C 42CC 1F4F 8F59 E3A8 C538 7519 141E Full GPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Rainer Dorsch Lärchenstr. 6 D-72135 Dettenhausen 07157-734133 email: rdor...@web.de jabber: rdor...@jabber.org GPG Fingerprint: 5966 C54C 2B3C 42CC 1F4F 8F59 E3A8 C538 7519 141E Full GPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Tweaking flite vocabulary in maemo-mapper
There is a full version of Festival available for Maemo, you can have it speak in a lovely female voice, or in Spanish: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=244092 The package comes with a script that replaces flite for Maemo Mapper. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Andrew Daviel ad...@triumf.ca wrote: I installed Flite to speak directions in maemo-mapper, but I can't understand what it's saying half the time. There isn't AFAIK a button to press to make it repeat the phrase, either. It is using a fairly limited set of words (turn, left, etc.) taken from Google directions (apart from street names, that is). I was wondering if it was possible to adjust the pronunciation of these common words, or even to steal sound bites from e.g. navigator. I had an idea that something was possible in rsynth (precursor to festival), or by mis-spelling words to lengthen vowels etc. The docs for Festival suggest that all sorts of things are possible, if only I understood Lisp :-) -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Qole: fanboy, wacko, and maemo.org junta member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting Easy-Debian to work
I just realized I only sent the following to John. It might be interesting for others, too, so here it is: -- Forwarded message -- From: Qole qole.tab...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Getting Easy-Debian to work To: John B. Holmblad jholmb...@hotmail.com Hi John, On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, John B. Holmblad jholmb...@hotmail.comwrote: I am still interested to understand how this app relates to the N800 OS. Does Debian run as an app, a VM, or something else? My project uses an entire installed Debian root file system, placed into an image file. This image file is mounted on a very fast loop device, and then the Debian applications are run in a chroot. As I explained in my Summit presentation (see below), a chroot isn't a virtual machine, it is a virtual environment. The applications within the chroot use the files and libraries within the chroot (Debian) instead of the files and libraries in the primary environment (Maemo). This way, any generic Debian app can be installed with an apt-get command and run without any porting efforts, as long as they use the same basic technologies as the tablet (eg. they need to have ALSA/ESD support for sound, v4l2 support for the camera, GTK+ support for tap-and-hold right-click, etc) My chroot environment is not supposed to be a jail like so many other chroot environments (eg Apple iPhone). It is quite porous by design, so applications within the chroot can access many parts of the Maemo system, including devices (like SD cards, sound, camera, network, etc), the temp folders, running daemons (including hildon-input-method and dbus), the system tray, the task switcher, etc. I have some more technical details about my chroot scripts in my blog, so you can use them to run applications from any reasonably compatible Linux distribution: http://qole.blogspot.com/2009/03/easy-chroot-for-maemo.html Jamie Bennett recorded my goofy presentation at the 2008 Maemo Summit and posted it here: http://blip.tv/file/1333610 I have a thread at ITT about using my scripts to run Ubuntu Jaunty apps (like OpenOffice 3.0) instead of Debian Lenny: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27210 -- Qole: fanboy, wacko, and maemo.org junta member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting Easy-Debian to work
Hi John, Mark has given you the right ITT thread to visit, but basically you need to download a big tar file from the web, then extract it onto an SD card. There's an icon that does this for you in your Extras menu. This process usually takes about 45 minutes, but may take less time if you've got a really good Internet connection. About 30 minutes for the download, 15 minutes for the extraction. Here's the ITT thread again if you have any more questions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272 (sorry for not answering sooner, I don't patrol the mailing lists as often as I should) On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:28 AM, John B. Holmblad jholmb...@hotmail.comwrote: All, after installing an 8g SDHC card on my N800 I decided to make use of it by downloading/installing the Turbo Easy Debian for Everyone v0.9.19 app that is available now from the maemo downloads www page. It installed successfully and it deposited apps into several app directory categories (extras, utilities, and comms ? - I am not in front of my N800 right now to provide the exact details). However when I select on, say, the openoffice app in the extras category, it fails with an obscure error message. It seems that there is a defined sequence of the installed helperapps that must be launched in order for things to work correctly. Unfortunately the maemo www page for this app does not clearly define those steps. Any help would be appreciated so I can avoid the need to hunt and peck my way to success. Also, I would like to understand how this easy-Debian install works. It would appear that it utilizes the N800 OS as a sort of hypervisor virtualization layer and the easy-Debian install runs as a guest OS but I am not certain. Any insights/help would be much appreciated. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Qole: fanboy, wacko, and maemo.org junta member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: command-line for Bluetooth copy ?
There's a thread on ITT about this: *Bridging multiple tablets with bluetooth?* http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27423 There are some command line examples and some other information. Many of us would love a developer to build a GUI bluebooth PAN setup that would allow users to set up a bluetooth PAN network even when there's no WiFi around. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gary g...@eyetraxx.net wrote: The whole point of using Bluetooth is that neither device need be connected to a wireless LAN, Internet or no. If you're going to go through the trouble of setting up ad hoc wireless connections then you're taking a lot of extra time to do the same thing that Bluetooth does for your automatically so pick one or the other. I haven't tried it but if Bluetooth assigns each device an IP address, what prevents one from using scp? If that's not possible, has anyone made an ObexFTP package for mameo? It would simplify things considerably if scp is not an option... http://dev.zuckschwerdt.org/openobex/wiki/ObexFtp Also, if the original poster is already asking for command line tools, why's there a problem with finding IP addresses from the same command line you've already opened for said file transfers? -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Qole: fanboy, wacko, and maemo.org junta member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
