Re: N900 $510
Given that Android does not give you root, I have pretty much decided to get the N900. Plus the news on Qt makes the future much more interesting. Apple is Apple, and won't change. Google is turning into a nicer Microsoft. Will Nokia take up the position of Linux, or will History leave the US behind the ROW? Chris Vail --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark wolfm...@gmail.com Subject: N900 $510 To: Maemo users maemo-users@maemo.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:38 PM N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N900 $510
N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. You mean like the N95 through N97 selling poorly in the US? Agreed. But at least the N8x0 showed that they could go down in price over time. E -- Erik Hovland e...@hovland.org http://hovland.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Erik Hovland e...@hovland.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. You mean like the N95 through N97 selling poorly in the US? Agreed. But at least the N8x0 showed that they could go down in price over time. E -- Erik Hovland e...@hovland.org http://hovland.org/ But not enough, and certainly not quickly enough. The N8x0s only came down to a palatable price well after production had stopped and they were already getting scarce. That's not the way to sell lots of units. Mark Ogden Nash - The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat. - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Mark wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Hey, Mark, you mistyped https://ssl.buy.com/ac/contact/contactlogin.aspx as maemo-users@maemo.org Easy mistake. Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. Would you please give me your opinion on the price of Ferrari's too. They're expensive and they break down a lot. I guess they've got no chance of commercial success. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. Amazing insight into economic theory there. But don't you think they'd sell even more at $50 each unlocked? David -- Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM, David Greaves da...@dgreaves.com wrote: Mark wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Hey, Mark, you mistyped https://ssl.buy.com/ac/contact/contactlogin.aspx as maemo-users@maemo.org Easy mistake. Simply supplying the only info I've yet seen on the availability of the N900 in the USA. Do you know of a better/cheaper source? If so, let's have it! Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. Would you please give me your opinion on the price of Ferrari's too. They're expensive and they break down a lot. I guess they've got no chance of commercial success. That's called a straw man fallacy. I'm not going to bother to respond. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. Amazing insight into economic theory there. But don't you think they'd sell even more at $50 each unlocked? David Sarcasm noted, but I'm simply quoting iPhone territory. There are only two possibilities: either the N900 is intended to compete with the iPhone, which means it must come in at an equivalent price point; or it isn't intended to compete with the iPhone, in which case it must be cheaper than the iPhone. More expensive is simply not an option if they want it to be a success. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Am Mittwoch, den 09.12.2009, 15:24 -0700 schrieb Mark: There are only two possibilities: either the N900 is intended to compete with the iPhone, which means it must come in at an equivalent price point; or it isn't intended to compete with the iPhone, in which case it must be cheaper than the iPhone. Marketing lectures at the university taught me that the world is a bit complexer than it's in your thoughts. But I'm not going to bother to respond or elaborate either, pretty good idea. :-) andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Am 09.12.09 23:19, schrieb Mark: You can complain about reality all you want, but that's not going to change it. The reality is that NO ONE is paying $900 for an unlocked iPhone, and the unlocked price for an iPhone is far, far below what it will be for an N900 if when they make a deal with a carrier. Erm. Everybody is paying that price for an *UNLOCKED* iPhone. Subsidized ones seem cheaper, but probably aren't (depending on contract). So the iPhone *is* more expensive than the N900 *when* you buy an *UNLOCKED* one and don't want to be bound to a carrier. *IF* you want to buy a subsidized N900, well go complain to your carrier. Ralph ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Ralph Angenendt ralph.angene...@gmail.com wrote: Am 09.12.09 23:19, schrieb Mark: You can complain about reality all you want, but that's not going to change it. The reality is that NO ONE is paying $900 for an unlocked iPhone, and the unlocked price for an iPhone is far, far below what it will be for an N900 if when they make a deal with a carrier. Erm. Everybody is paying that price for an *UNLOCKED* iPhone. Subsidized ones seem cheaper, but probably aren't (depending on contract). Baloney. They are either paying far less than that or are jailbreaking a locked one. No one smart enough to demand an unlocked phone is stupid enough to pay that much for one. So the iPhone *is* more expensive than the N900 *when* you buy an *UNLOCKED* one and don't want to be bound to a carrier. Patently untrue. *IF* you want to buy a subsidized N900, well go complain to your carrier. Ralph Yeah, it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it? Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: The price of an unlocked iPhone 3GS is $900: How can nearly half that price for similar hardware be way too expensive?! What magic wand can you wave to reduce the price of materials and RD costs to make these devices palatably priced in the marketplace? (Obviously high price is the barrier which makes Apple so successful and Nokia less so, in the US at least. Oh, no - hang on...) Cheers, Andrew Apple's hardware is no less expensive to produce, and probably more so because of the compactness (specifically referring to the iPhone). And Apple is NOT all that successful with anything besides the iPhone. If they hadn't come out with the iPod when they did, and subsequently the iPhone, they wouldn't still be with us. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Ralph Angenendt wrote: Am 09.12.09 23:19, schrieb Mark: You can complain about reality all you want, but that's not going to change it. The reality is that NO ONE is paying $900 for an unlocked iPhone, and the unlocked price for an iPhone is far, far below what it will be for an N900 if when they make a deal with a carrier. Erm. Everybody is paying that price for an *UNLOCKED* iPhone. Subsidized ones seem cheaper, but probably aren't (depending on contract). So the iPhone *is* more expensive than the N900 *when* you buy an *UNLOCKED* one and don't want to be bound to a carrier. Cheapest I've seen an unlocked iPhone 3GS is €399. But here (Ireland) no-one who knows jack buys a locked phone when you can get them unlocked for a fiver at any independent phone store. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Mark wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 If that's true then it might put me back in the market. But it would have to do *everything* my N800 does, without error. The fact that it's a phone as well is merely slightly interesting. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Mark, re your point concerning the locked price point of $200 for a high end smartphone, I should point out that that price point has now been breached by Verizon Wireless in the U.S. with their current offer of the Motorola Droid (a quite worthy competitor to the iphone) for $199.00 with a 2 year contract. Here, fyi is the url to the www page for the offer: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirstaction=viewPhoneDetailselectedPhoneId=5069 I am confident that the Verizon Wireless+Motorola Droid offer will put a much bigger hurt on Iphone profit margins (on the iphone product, not the app store service) than the N900 ever will if (or should I say when?) the N900 makes it into the U.S. mobile smartphone market. It does not help Apple Iphone sales and future market share that ATT seems to be considering ways of extracting more revenue from high-bandwidth users of Iphones. That, by itself, could swing users toward Verizon Wireless+Droid and away from ATT+Iphone. I do believe that Nokia, with its current N900 pricing, is attempting to keep too much money in its own corporate pockets under current market conditions including competitive pressures from products like the IPhone and more recently, the Droid, combined with weakened worldwide demand due to the prolonged and very nasty recession. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Mark wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 Note that there is no mention of the fact that 3.5G is network dependent and NOT quadband. Even at this very discounted price, it's still way too expensive for most people. If they get it below $200 locked and $300 unlocked it might have a chance, but at these prices it's going to sell very poorly. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users