Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla. [...] Best regards Samuel Verschelde I think it is really well thought out. Especially renaming certain statuses, to better coincide with their usage. The resolutions as well. Only one question : The NEW + triaged keyword status seems ok, but I can see Marja's point that it might be better to have an explicit TRIAGED status. What happens if the bug is not ACCEPTED, or there is no maintainer ? The bug is just left in this state ? (Looks like you're making good use of the Libreoffice Draw flowcharting.) In sum, WORKS_FOR_ME :) -- André
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:30, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: CLOSED replaces RESOLVED, because I think it's nicer for the bug reporter if we close bugs rather than consider them resolved when the reason for closing is WONT-FIX, DUPLICATE, OLD, etc., statuses that obviously don't match the meaning of RESOLVED. RESOLVED does match. Beware, this is a known false friend in English/French (although it is used in a equivalent meaning as in Je suis résolu à or J'ai pris la ferme résolution de). To resolve is to decide firmly, not to solve (well, as well, but in a later meaning). If the RESOLVED status in Bugzilla had been understood as SOLVED, then RESOLVED - FIXED would be a pleonasm. Romain
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Le 20/10/2011 10:26, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : If the RESOLVED status in Bugzilla had been understood as SOLVED, then RESOLVED - FIXED would be a pleonasm. You can solve a problem differently than fixing it, for instance by claiming it is not a problem, or that it is too old to really care. -- BOFH excuse #138: BNC (brain not connected)
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:43, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Le 20/10/2011 10:26, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : If the RESOLVED status in Bugzilla had been understood as SOLVED, then RESOLVED - FIXED would be a pleonasm. You can solve a problem differently than fixing it, for instance by claiming it is not a problem, or that it is too old to really care. That's precisely the resolution to the problem: fixed (and the solution is provided along here) or discarded or reported elsewhere. https://bugs.mageia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status is more visual about this. Romain
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 06:35:32, Marja van Waes a écrit : BTW, replacing status NEW + keyword Triaged by status TRIAGED, and leaving all the rest the same, would solve another problem and save time ;) +1 The less keywords we have, the better is : they are error prone. NEEDINFO can't be a status as it may happen everywhere in the workflow, but TRIAGED is only once.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 à 23:30 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Here are the proposed Resolutions: Another thing, what about the upstream reported bugs ? In Mandriva they have a status REPORTEDUPSTREAM (if the triage_guide is true) Can we do the same ? http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=triage_guide#is_it_an_issue_that_should_be_covered_by_the_mageia_bug_process
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:30, Samuel Verscheldesto...@laposte.net wrote: CLOSED replaces RESOLVED, because I think it's nicer for the bug reporter if we close bugs rather than consider them resolved when the reason for closing is WONT-FIX, DUPLICATE, OLD, etc., statuses that obviously don't match the meaning of RESOLVED. RESOLVED does match. Beware, this is a known false friend in English/French (although it is used in a equivalent meaning as in Je suis résolu à or J'ai pris la ferme résolution de). To resolve is to decide firmly, not to solve (well, as well, but in a later meaning). Sorry, but I think they have the same meanings in English and French. Which isn't surprising, considering that it comes from French. [...] Romain In English, RESOLVED can refer to decision, solving, or something in between. In the context of a bug report, what are we doing ? Maybe we discovered what the problem was. Maybe we fixed it, maybe not. But whatever the reason, the action is closing the report. Let's avoid obtuse language, and simply say CLOSED. It has the advantage of being able to give a clear reason of fixed, without any redundancy. aside This reminds me of proceedings at political conventions : Whereas ... and ... be it resolved that ... (Usually something that is never done.) /aside -- André
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Am 19.10.2011 23:30, schrieb Samuel Verschelde: Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla. See the flowchart (link below) and the explanations below. Not all statuses will be used in every bug report, but the flowchart more or less gives the standard flow for bugs reported against a stable release of Mageia. http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/triage.png NEW: as currently, bugs are set to this status when created NEW (+ NEEDINFO keyword): more input needed Why not set NEEDINFO keyword by default when a bug is reported and a triager or the maintainer removes it then if sufficient information to work on this bug is already present? I'd say this being a keyword and not mandatory it will be forgotten often IMHO. NEW (+ Triaged keyword): ACCEPTED IN_PROGRESS really fine-grained but useless IMHO. If it has been triaged, there should be someone who works on that bug, and what reason would there be to not accept a bug? Just my humble opinion. If those help to ease triage, why not.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:30:05 -0400, Samuel Verschelde sto...@laposte.net wrote: VALIDATED is set by QA team once testing ends. It means that the update can be pushed (replaces the validated_update keyword) Will changing the status automatically update the assigned, for Testing and Validated? If changing the status to Validated changes the assigned from qa-bugs to sysadmin-bugs, qa-bugs should be added to the cc list. Regards, Dave Hodgins
[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla. See the flowchart (link below) and the explanations below. Not all statuses will be used in every bug report, but the flowchart more or less gives the standard flow for bugs reported against a stable release of Mageia. http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/triage.png NEW: as currently, bugs are set to this status when created NEW (+ NEEDINFO keyword): more input needed NEW (+ Triaged keyword): bug report has been triaged by a triager or maintainer, and should have been assigned to the right maintainer (when there's one), but there's no guarantee about this. ACCEPTED must be set by the maintainer, or a packager who decides to fix the bug for the maintainer. It doesn't mean that the packager is actively working on the fix, but shows that he/she is willing to whenever possible. Setting a bug report to accepted acknowledges that the triager assigned to the right person AND that this person saw that the bug report was assigned to him/her. In case of a bug assigned to a maintainer group (when there will be), setting the status to ACCEPTED means that the group is OK to handle the bug report, but it does not mean that someone from the group is already working on it. See the next status for that. IN_PROGRESS can be set by the packager who is working on the bug. It is not mandatory, this status can be skipped. However, it is advised to use it to give better feedback to both triagers and bug reporters. TESTING is set when assigning to QA Team (ideally bugzilla would automatically assign to QA when someone puts the TESTING status in a stable release). VALIDATED is set by QA team once testing ends. It means that the update can be pushed (replaces the validated_update keyword) CLOSED replaces RESOLVED, because I think it's nicer for the bug reporter if we close bugs rather than consider them resolved when the reason for closing is WONT-FIX, DUPLICATE, OLD, etc., statuses that obviously don't match the meaning of RESOLVED. ASSIGNED status disappears, because it was ambiguous. UNCONFIRMED disappears, it was unused already. Here are the proposed Resolutions: FIXED NOT_A_BUG (replaces INVALID with a more neutral term) INSUFFICIENT_DATA (new resolution for bugs closed due to lack of data) CANT_FIX (it's too difficult to fix it, or there's a reason why we can't fix it) WONT_FIX (we don't *want* to fix it) DUPLICATE WORKS_FOR_ME Best regards Samuel Verschelde
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Op woensdag 19 oktober 2011 23:30:05 schreef Samuel Verschelde: Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla. [...] This is ok for me, i like the resolutions as well.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Op 19-10-11 23:30, Samuel Verschelde schreef: Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla. I think it looks great, it solves several of the Bug Squad's problems :)
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
Op 19-10-11 23:45, Marja van Waes schreef: Op 19-10-11 23:30, Samuel Verschelde schreef: Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla. I think it looks great, it solves several of the Bug Squad's problems :) BTW, replacing status NEW + keyword Triaged by status TRIAGED, and leaving all the rest the same, would solve another problem and save time ;)
