Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On 11/01/12 21:13, nicolas vigier wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Marja van Waes wrote: I can't talk for that minority, of course. However, I can talk for myself: In such circumstances it is very possible that I'd agree to do something to later find out I can't concentrate on the task no matter how hard I try. I regret it wasn't decided that the people who wanted unlimited edit time should make the MOD, after which the unlimited edit time would be implemented. They were going to get what they wanted (the unlimited edit time), wouldn't that have given them wings to do that MOD? I think unlimited edit time should be enabled, but there is no need for a MOD. Creating a MOD to keep history of post edits is not really trivial, and could be difficult to maintain in the future. If we really want this feature, it would probably be better to have it implemented in upstream phpbb before we use it. But the main problem is not edit time, I don't really care about edit time myself. The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to not do it, or at least try it for a few months (as was proposed several times by different people), but it is still not done, because someone decided it shouldn't be done. It could have been enabled in 2 minutes 8 months ago and we would have avoided those endless debates. This issue is about a seeming majority of people wanting a certain feature. It is not about a buggy forum. It is about an enhancement, that isn't even an enhancement in everybody's eyes. Maintainers of packages have the freedom to refuse to do an enhancement request https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_policy#Enhancement_requests Maintainers can refuse regardless of what reason they have to refuse. Why don't we give the maât the same right for the unlimited edit time request? Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18 This article was of course written for all those cases when someone has different thoughts, conscience and/or religion than we have. It is evident from what maât wrote, that he is convinced the edit time should stay very limited. Why do we ignore the universal declaration of human rights and try to force him to do something that is against his conscience? Regards, Marja
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Marja van Waes wrote: It is evident from what maât wrote, that he is convinced the edit time should stay very limited. Why do we ignore the universal declaration of human rights and try to force him to do something that is against his conscience? Because it's Mageia's forum, not his forum. And this has nothing to do with human rights ...
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
2012/1/12 Marja van Waes marj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18 Yes, so why do you deny these right sto the majority of the forum people? This article was of course written for all those cases when someone has different thoughts, conscience and/or religion than we have. It is evident from what maāt wrote, that he is convinced the edit time should stay very limited. Why do we ignore the universal declaration of human rights and try to force him to do something that is against his conscience? I guess you agree that those principles where written with the spirit of democracy behind it all - so you agree also that those declarations do not say that one has the right to force his opinion on all others. As I wrote in the bug report: we will hopefully see a decision about this in next council meeting to close this discussion for good. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18 Yes, so why do you deny these right sto the majority of the forum people? I don't :) I don't even deny it when our seeming majority would turn out to be a minority. Please be careful with the words the majority, we don't have a good tool yet to know what everybody wants. That would mean: inform everybody in the Mageia community in a factual way about the different points of view and then let them vote anonymously. Too many users don't see the polls, I think it would be better to have them on www.mageia.org, instead of hidden in forum threads. It would be good to make sure there isn't a different, silent majority here. This article was of course written for all those cases when someone has different thoughts, conscience and/or religion than we have. It is evident from what maāt wrote, that he is convinced the edit time should stay very limited. Why do we ignore the universal declaration of human rights and try to force him to do something that is against his conscience? I guess you agree that those principles where written with the spirit of democracy behind it all - so you agree also that those declarations do not say that one has the right to force his opinion on all others. Of course not. Funny that you seem to think maât did that, I didn't see him force anyone to use the forum as it is. As I wrote in the bug report: we will hopefully see a decision about this in next council meeting to close this discussion for good
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
2012/1/12 Marja van Waes marj...@xs4all.nl: On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18 Yes, so why do you deny these right sto the majority of the forum people? I don't :) I don't even deny it when our seeming majority would turn out to be a minority. Please be careful with the words the majority, we don't have a good tool yet to know what everybody wants. Hmm, from the people who participated in the initial discussion which led to the council compromise I count 2 in favor of the limitation, the rest against it. This I call a majority. During the 8 months since we have this issue I read lots of complaints about the limitation, I did not read any post in favor of it. This is what I call a majority. In an election or a poll (a democratic process) how much weight do those have who do not give their vote? In every election there is a number of people who do not vote, either because they don't care or none of the given options is to their liking. But I haven't seen an election or poll where the silent number was counted in favor for one side or the other. So, if you are talking about the silent majority I can ask you rightfully, on which side the silent majority would be. I guess you agree that those principles where written with the spirit of democracy behind it all - so you agree also that those declarations do not say that one has the right to force his opinion on all others. Of course not. Funny that you seem to think maât did that, I didn't see him force anyone to use the forum as it is. Then you think that his behavior is ok and everybody who doesn't like it can leave? That is not funny. It is against all that Mageia stands for. I think we do not have different opinions, we are living in different worlds. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On 12/01/12 17:47, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/12 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it says: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18 Yes, so why do you deny these right sto the majority of the forum people? I don't :) I don't even deny it when our seeming majority would turn out to be a minority. Please be careful with the words the majority, we don't have a good tool yet to know what everybody wants. Hmm, from the people who participated in the initial discussion which led to the council compromise I count 2 in favor of the limitation, the rest against it. This I call a majority. During the 8 months since we have this issue I read lots of complaints about the limitation, I did not read any post in favor of it. This is what I call a majority. I don't. There are a forum thread and a bug report with a lot of harsh words, and only a minority of the Mageia community participated. It is possible that the angry majority there has the same opinion as the real majority, but we don't know yet. In an election or a poll (a democratic process) how much weight do those have who do not give their vote? In every election there is a number of people who do not vote, either because they don't care or none of the given options is to their liking. But I haven't seen an election or poll where the silent number was counted in favor for one side or the other. So, if you are talking about the silent majority I can ask you rightfully, on which side the silent majority would be. I was not clear, sorry. IMHO, if every Mageia community member had received an invitation to vote in a virtual polling station, seperated from the emotional forum thread about the issue, there would have been a lot more votes. * It is well known that people can vote differently when there votes are seen then when they are not seen. * Also a thread where such harsh words are said, makes some people run away, and others reluctant to say what they think, for fear everything might escalate further. * Apart from that, there are community members who never were aware this thread was there * and others were, but didn't know it was the place to vote. Of course I don't know what outcome a proper democratic voting would have given. I guess you agree that those principles where written with the spirit of democracy behind it all - so you agree also that those declarations do not say that one has the right to force his opinion on all others. Of course not. Funny that you seem to think maât did that, I didn't see him force anyone to use the forum as it is. Then you think that his behavior is ok and everybody who doesn't like it can leave? That is not funny. It is against all that Mageia stands for. I think we do not have different opinions, we are living in different worlds. I think that if a real majority wants a forum with unlimited edit time, that we should have it. My point is, that Maât isn't our slave, we can't force him to do it, never. So then it would be necessary to look for someone else to take Maât's place. I hope that if that happens, we'll at least manage to be nice to him and thank him for the work he has done.
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/3 Michael Schererm...@zarb.org: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with file edits, that's a whole different thing. I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with files to deploy in a well know directory . I only gave a part of an example. MODs are made as enhancement to the standard software. The easiest MOD is like Michael wrote: a module with files to deploy in a well known directory. But in most cases they consist of files to copy into various directories of the program tree and changes to existing files of the software. There are other MODs which can be implemented automatically - which is far worse IMHO. This is where a modded phpBB3 could turn into a nightmare to maintain - believe me, I've been there :( Of course no developper of a MOD could know what somebody has already done to the standard files, so it's not possible do use only patches. And it could be (and that happens quite often) that a MOD is not compatible to your already modificated forum software (destroys other modifications or whatever). IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue justifies all the time and work. It would make me very, very happy, does that count a little? If I were sure that I'd be able to learn how to do it, I would now consider to halve the time I use for the Bug Squad and Doc Team and start learning.
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
2012/1/11 Marja van Waes marj...@xs4all.nl: On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/3 Michael Schererm...@zarb.org: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with file edits, that's a whole different thing. I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with files to deploy in a well know directory . I only gave a part of an example. MODs are made as enhancement to the standard software. The easiest MOD is like Michael wrote: a module with files to deploy in a well known directory. But in most cases they consist of files to copy into various directories of the program tree and changes to existing files of the software. There are other MODs which can be implemented automatically - which is far worse IMHO. This is where a modded phpBB3 could turn into a nightmare to maintain - believe me, I've been there :( Of course no developper of a MOD could know what somebody has already done to the standard files, so it's not possible do use only patches. And it could be (and that happens quite often) that a MOD is not compatible to your already modificated forum software (destroys other modifications or whatever). IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue justifies all the time and work. It would make me very, very happy, does that count a little? If I were sure that I'd be able to learn how to do it, I would now consider to halve the time I use for the Bug Squad and Doc Team and start learning. Why? IMHO this complete issue is going out of proportions. Let's remember why we *seem to need* this MOD in the first place. And what will we find? The time-to-edit discussion, again. In the council meeting where it was decided to have this mod It looked as the best way to please a disturbing minority request, the more as that same minority gave the impression that such a MOD could be implemented within a reasonable time span. As we see now after 8 months, this was never the case. Adding the fact that a test period of several months with a much looser time-to-edit setting in the German Mageia forum showed not one single case of misuse brings me to the conviction that we should rather rethink the time-to-edit limitation itself than to waste manpower on this issue. Manpower which is needed at more important tasks, if I may say. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Am Mittwoch, 11. Januar 2012, 10:54:58 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Why? IMHO this complete issue is going out of proportions. Let's remember why we *seem to need* this MOD in the first place. And what will we find? The time-to-edit discussion, again. In the council meeting where it was decided to have this mod It looked as the best way to please a disturbing minority request, the more as that same minority gave the impression that such a MOD could be implemented within a reasonable time span. As we see now after 8 months, this was never the case. Adding the fact that a test period of several months with a much looser time-to-edit setting in the German Mageia forum showed not one single case of misuse brings me to the conviction that we should rather rethink the time-to-edit limitation itself than to waste manpower on this issue. Manpower which is needed at more important tasks, if I may say. +1
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Am 11.01.2012 10:54, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/1/11 Marja van Waes marj...@xs4all.nl: On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/3 Michael Schererm...@zarb.org: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with file edits, that's a whole different thing. I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with files to deploy in a well know directory . I only gave a part of an example. MODs are made as enhancement to the standard software. The easiest MOD is like Michael wrote: a module with files to deploy in a well known directory. But in most cases they consist of files to copy into various directories of the program tree and changes to existing files of the software. There are other MODs which can be implemented automatically - which is far worse IMHO. This is where a modded phpBB3 could turn into a nightmare to maintain - believe me, I've been there :( Of course no developper of a MOD could know what somebody has already done to the standard files, so it's not possible do use only patches. And it could be (and that happens quite often) that a MOD is not compatible to your already modificated forum software (destroys other modifications or whatever). IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue justifies all the time and work. It would make me very, very happy, does that count a little? If I were sure that I'd be able to learn how to do it, I would now consider to halve the time I use for the Bug Squad and Doc Team and start learning. Why? IMHO this complete issue is going out of proportions. Let's remember why we *seem to need* this MOD in the first place. And what will we find? The time-to-edit discussion, again. In the council meeting where it was decided to have this mod It looked as the best way to please a disturbing minority request, the more as that same minority gave the impression that such a MOD could be implemented within a reasonable time span. As we see now after 8 months, this was never the case. Adding the fact that a test period of several months with a much looser time-to-edit setting in the German Mageia forum showed not one single case of misuse brings me to the conviction that we should rather rethink the time-to-edit limitation itself than to waste manpower on this issue. Manpower which is needed at more important tasks, if I may say. In general i don't like those +1 posts, but this ^^ one hits the nail on the head. +1
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On 11/01/12 10:54, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: 2012/1/11 Marja van Waesmarj...@xs4all.nl: On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue justifies all the time and work. It would make me very, very happy, does that count a little? If I were sure that I'd be able to learn how to do it, I would now consider to halve the time I use for the Bug Squad and Doc Team and start learning. Why? IMHO this complete issue is going out of proportions. Let's remember why we *seem to need* this MOD in the first place. And what will we find? The time-to-edit discussion, again. In the council meeting where it was decided to have this mod It looked as the best way to please a disturbing minority request, the more as that same minority gave the impression that such a MOD could be implemented within a reasonable time span. As we see now after 8 months, this was never the case. I can't talk for that minority, of course. However, I can talk for myself: In such circumstances it is very possible that I'd agree to do something to later find out I can't concentrate on the task no matter how hard I try. I regret it wasn't decided that the people who wanted unlimited edit time should make the MOD, after which the unlimited edit time would be implemented. They were going to get what they wanted (the unlimited edit time), wouldn't that have given them wings to do that MOD? Regards, Marja
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Marja van Waes wrote: I can't talk for that minority, of course. However, I can talk for myself: In such circumstances it is very possible that I'd agree to do something to later find out I can't concentrate on the task no matter how hard I try. I regret it wasn't decided that the people who wanted unlimited edit time should make the MOD, after which the unlimited edit time would be implemented. They were going to get what they wanted (the unlimited edit time), wouldn't that have given them wings to do that MOD? I think unlimited edit time should be enabled, but there is no need for a MOD. Creating a MOD to keep history of post edits is not really trivial, and could be difficult to maintain in the future. If we really want this feature, it would probably be better to have it implemented in upstream phpbb before we use it. But the main problem is not edit time, I don't really care about edit time myself. The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to not do it, or at least try it for a few months (as was proposed several times by different people), but it is still not done, because someone decided it shouldn't be done. It could have been enabled in 2 minutes 8 months ago and we would have avoided those endless debates.
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Op woensdag 11 januari 2012 21:13:50 schreef nicolas vigier: [...] But the main problem is not edit time, I don't really care about edit time myself. The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to not do it, or at least try it for a few months (as was proposed several times by different people), but it is still not done, because someone decided it shouldn't be done. It could have been enabled in 2 minutes 8 months ago and we would have avoided those endless debates. in retrospect, i agree with you on this
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
2012/1/11 Maarten Vanraes al...@rmail.be: Op woensdag 11 januari 2012 21:13:50 schreef nicolas vigier: [...] But the main problem is not edit time, I don't really care about edit time myself. The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to not do it, or at least try it for a few months (as was proposed several times by different people), but it is still not done, because someone decided it shouldn't be done. It could have been enabled in 2 minutes 8 months ago and we would have avoided those endless debates. in retrospect, i agree with you on this That's why I wrote what I wrote. :) A great majority wants no limitation of time-to-edit so it should be set instead of telling that majority something like If you want it, develop that MOD, then you can have what you want. - at least everything I know about democratic decisions tells me that. I think I have made my point of view clear, 'nuff said. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:13, nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org wrote: The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to not do it, or at least try it for a few months (as was proposed several times by different people), but it is still not done, because someone decided it shouldn't be done. It could have been enabled in 2 minutes 8 months ago and we would have avoided those endless debates. So it goes back to a Council discussion/decision, where the above was decided. Next Monday meeting.
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
2012/1/3 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with file edits, that's a whole different thing. I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with files to deploy in a well know directory . I only gave a part of an example. MODs are made as enhancement to the standard software. The easiest MOD is like Michael wrote: a module with files to deploy in a well known directory. But in most cases they consist of files to copy into various directories of the program tree and changes to existing files of the software. There are other MODs which can be implemented automatically - which is far worse IMHO. This is where a modded phpBB3 could turn into a nightmare to maintain - believe me, I've been there :( Of course no developper of a MOD could know what somebody has already done to the standard files, so it's not possible do use only patches. And it could be (and that happens quite often) that a MOD is not compatible to your already modificated forum software (destroys other modifications or whatever). IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue justifies all the time and work. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
2012/1/3 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org: [...] I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with files to deploy in a well know directory . I only gave a part of an example. MODs are made as enhancement to the standard software. The easiest MOD is like Michael wrote: a module with files to deploy in a well known directory. But in most cases they consist of files to copy into various directories of the program tree and changes to existing files of the software. There are other MODs which can be implemented automatically - which is far worse IMHO. This is where a modded phpBB3 could turn into a nightmare to maintain - believe me, I've been there :( /o\ Of course no developper of a MOD could know what somebody has already done to the standard files, so it's not possible do use only patches. And it could be (and that happens quite often) that a MOD is not compatible to your already modificated forum software (destroys other modifications or whatever). IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod written for our setup, all changes well defined to make it maintainable in a proper way. Saying this I beg to think again whether the issue justifies all the time and work. +1
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with file edits, that's a whole different thing.
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer: Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit : Hi everyone, Can someone please help to fix bug 1956? You don't need to be a regular forum visitor. We need someone to find and implement a probably existing MOD, needed to keep forum posts history when unlimited edit time is enabled From wobo's comment #32: Capabilities needed: Well, one could say that anybody who - knows how to run phpBB as admin and - has seen a line of php - knows how to edit code (respecting tags and such) - knows how to cutpaste should be able to install an existing MOD (if I'm not mistaken there is one or more). I know next to nothing about php coding. But I've been running a phpBB forum for a couple of years and successfully implemented some MODs in phpBB2 and phpBB3. With no help (except the phpBB-forum in case of problems). In practice you have a detailed installation README for each MOD. Like - open file /foo/bar/doo.php - Find the line which starts with '..' - After that add - . And more such step-by-step guidance My eyes start to bleed dues to such guidances. i'm sure misc means to say that we should have all our changes in packages/puppet config so that we can update without issues. and with file edits, that's a whole different thing. I was more thinking of proper patchs or better, proper modules, with files to deploy in a well know directory . Something that do not remind me of Alien 4 movie. -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help
Op dinsdag 03 januari 2012 00:46:39 schreef Michael Scherer: [...] Something that do not remind me of Alien 4 movie. hey now! no insulting :-) that's a great movie! a bit of a mess at times, but a great movie!
