Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-23 Thread andrea crotti
My idea as a user would be to be able to select from my
web configuration page an option:

send_public_url_in_mail_footers: [
disabled,
gmane_url,
mailmanweb_url
]

And maybe it would be cool (if possible I have no idea) to add a mail
command that when I send

subject: public $mailing_list $id

I get back an email with this url.  Because maybe from one mailing list
I'm normally not interested in the url and I also want it in some cases.

Not sure I anyone else in the world would like this feature though :D
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-23 Thread C Nulk
On 3/22/2012 5:48 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote:

 If we add something like $archive_url to the decoration interpolation
 dictionary, what happens when we have multiple archivers that support
 permalink() enabled?  Do we chose one at random (these are unordered)?
 -1

I agree so -2.  I thinking is if you list administrator/owner has not
defined an order, make it simple and impose a known order in that case -
alphabetize/sort the order and pick the first one.


 Do we add a configuration variable to select a primary archiver for this?
 +1

+2

 This would allow the list administrator/owner to define and pick the
primary archiver.  For any other archivers, people can go to the
Archived-At header(s).


 If there's *no* archiver configuration variable, we don't know where to
 point to anyway for Gmane-like archivers (yes, I know, catering to Gmane
 will give Brad hives, but some people like Gmane).  The local archive, if it
 exists, may seem TOOWTDI, but it might not be the preferred one even if
 it's the only one configured in Mailman (although that seems a lot less
 likely than the case where somebody just grandfathers an existing Gmane
 subscription as the archive URL of choice).

 Do we allow something like $archive_url.prototype as an interpolation
 variable to select e.g. the 'prototype' archiver?
 -1

 Too complex.  If people want alternative archives, they can go to
 the list FAQ or the Archived-At headers.  If we go this way, we'd
 better have a *really* good comment and a pre-existing entry in
 the FAQ to save Mark some time. :-)

I agree with Stephen.  Too complex and can be confusing without it being
well documented with a number of examples.


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Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 16, 2012, at 06:05 PM, Andrea Crotti wrote:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956889

This one got duped to 266684.  We have (almost) all the basics to make this
work in message headers/footers, but it's not plumbed through yet.  One
complication is this:

If we add something like $archive_url to the decoration interpolation
dictionary, what happens when we have multiple archivers that support
permalink() enabled?  Do we chose one at random (these are unordered)?  Do we
add a configuration variable to select a primary archiver for this?  Do we
allow something like $archive_url.prototype as an interpolation variable to
select e.g. the 'prototype' archiver?

This isn't much of a problem for the RFC 822 headers, because we can just add
multiple Archived-At headers.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956384

+1.  I followed up on the tracker issue.

Don't forget to tag Mailman 3 issues with the 'mailman3' tag!

PS. ironically today they asked me for the first time in my life to check why
Mailman was not working on a Linux server. The problem was that /var was
full, but well knowing more about Mailman certainly helped :D

Yay!
-Barry
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 18, 2012, at 04:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Andrea Crotti
andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 I filed in two bugs today:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956889
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956384

These are both policy issues, I think they should be posted to the
list as well as filed on Launchpad, or instead of in the case of
continuous integration.  Once it's decided what to do about them, a
specific issue should filed to track progress.

IMO YMMV etc -- I don't pretend to channel Barry on this.

But you didn't do so badly! :)

-Barry
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote:

 If we add something like $archive_url to the decoration interpolation
 dictionary, what happens when we have multiple archivers that support
 permalink() enabled?  Do we chose one at random (these are unordered)?

-1

 Do we add a configuration variable to select a primary archiver for this?

+1

If there's *no* archiver configuration variable, we don't know where to
point to anyway for Gmane-like archivers (yes, I know, catering to Gmane
will give Brad hives, but some people like Gmane).  The local archive, if it
exists, may seem TOOWTDI, but it might not be the preferred one even if
it's the only one configured in Mailman (although that seems a lot less
likely than the case where somebody just grandfathers an existing Gmane
subscription as the archive URL of choice).

 Do we allow something like $archive_url.prototype as an interpolation
 variable to select e.g. the 'prototype' archiver?

-1

Too complex.  If people want alternative archives, they can go to
the list FAQ or the Archived-At headers.  If we go this way, we'd
better have a *really* good comment and a pre-existing entry in
the FAQ to save Mark some time. :-)
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Andrea Crotti
andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 I filed in two bugs today:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956889
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956384

These are both policy issues, I think they should be posted to the
list as well as filed on Launchpad, or instead of in the case of
continuous integration.  Once it's decided what to do about them, a
specific issue should filed to track progress.

IMO YMMV etc -- I don't pretend to channel Barry on this.
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[Mailman-Developers] bugs on launchpad

2012-03-16 Thread Andrea Crotti

Hi everyone,
I filed in two bugs today:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956889
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/956384

because I thought we could have a discussion there about these topics.
But now I was wondering if it is a good idea, is it maybe better to 
write on the mailing list for

these kind of things??

PS. ironically today they asked me for the first time in my life to 
check why Mailman was not
working on a Linux server. The problem was that /var was full, but well 
knowing more about

Mailman certainly helped :D
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