Re: [Mailman-Users] archive stats

2002-09-03 Thread John Buttery

* Waldchen, Erick (VIPTechSprt) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-28 16:58:23 
-0400]:
 Thank you for the very excellent Mailman.  It's been rock-solid for the past
 5 months I've been using it.  My only wish is for a way to generate
 statistics on list how the list is being used. (top posters, top subjects,
 top posting times, etc.) My users really get into the numbers thing, if
 you know what I mean ;)  If I was a programmer I would try to write
 something that parses the archives and would generate an HTML stats page,
 but I don't have the skills for something like that.  Does such a program
 exist for Mailman? I've searched extensively online but haven't found
 anything yet.  Thanks for your time,
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Erick Waldchen
 

  Well, I could be off (and if I am, I'm sure someone will fl^H^Hpolitely
correct me), but I think you are barking up the wrong tree, approaching
this as a Mailman issue.  From what I can work out in my head, Mailman
is simply an email multiplexer; it doesn't really have a concept of a
coherent set of past messages.  However, you may want to look into
something that can work on a Pipermail archive; also, on the archive
page for my list (and I assume yours as well) there is a link where you
can download a full archive of every post ever sent to the list, which
should be parseable by anything that speaks mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archive stats

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 05:58, John Buttery wrote:
 
   Well, I could be off (and if I am, I'm sure someone will fl^H^Hpolitely
 correct me), but I think you are barking up the wrong tree, approaching
 this as a Mailman issue.  From what I can work out in my head, Mailman
 is simply an email multiplexer; it doesn't really have a concept of a
 coherent set of past messages.  However, you may want to look into
 something that can work on a Pipermail archive; also, on the archive
 page for my list (and I assume yours as well) there is a link where you
 can download a full archive of every post ever sent to the list, which
 should be parseable by anything that speaks mbox.
 
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True enough it is a Pipermail problem - and a fairly simple one
depending on the type of stats he is looking for.

Erick, could you be more explicit as to what kind of stats you are
looking for?

Last year we threw together some stat scripts for Mailman using the log
files. It was a combined effort that took about 4 days - at the end of
which we had some fairly nice scripts that gave a monthly total for:
 - the number of messages attempted,
 - the number of messages accepted,
 - the total byte count processed for the list, and
 - the top 10 posters to the list.

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[Mailman-Users] Virtual domain

2002-09-03 Thread Jens W. Skov - JS Consult

Hi

To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
server as listserver. 
Fx an address [EMAIL PROTECTED]  would forward to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] corresponding a list called
infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
was called [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a way that you would have to look at
the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.

Can this be done with mailman?

-
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain

2002-09-03 Thread Odhiambo Washington

* Jens W. Skov - JS Consult [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020903 18:45]: wrote:
 Hi
 
 To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
 They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
 server as listserver. 
 Fx an address [EMAIL PROTECTED]  would forward to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] corresponding a list called
 infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
 was called [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a way that you would have to look at
 the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.
 
 Can this be done with mailman?


Hello Jens,

I am also interested in this virtual hosting. Please CC me if you get any
solution/suggestions.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain

2002-09-03 Thread hotmail user



If your server is wrapping mailman in suexec, 
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html
then, your list admin will notresolve to your own domain name. 
It will look something like:

http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net
instead of: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/
and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users_virtualdomain.net/ .. 
This is all done because of precautions of plugging any holes 
for
hackers to access. 
If your server owner does not use suexec, then, one mailman 
install
should handle all domains lists on their own domain. 

tom 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Odhiambo 
  Washington 
  To: Jens W. Skov - JS Consult 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:55 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual 
  domain
  * Jens W. Skov - JS Consult [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020903 18:45]: 
  wrote: Hi  To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
   They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which 
  it server as listserver.  Fx an address [EMAIL PROTECTED] would forward 
  to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  corresponding a list called infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to 
  the list members as is the list was called [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a way that you 
  would have to look at the raw headers to see that the real origin is 
  not domain.com.  Can this be done with 
  mailman?Hello Jens,I am also interested in this virtual 
  hosting. Please CC me if you get 
  anysolution/suggestions. 
  cheers - wash 



Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain

2002-09-03 Thread Odhiambo Washington

* hotmail user [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20020903 19:19]: wrote:
 If your server is wrapping mailman in suexec, 
 http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html 
 then, your list admin will not resolve to your own domain name. 
 It will look something like:
 http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net 
 instead of: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/ 
 and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users_virtualdomain.net/  .. 
 This is all done because of precautions of plugging any holes for
 hackers to access. 
 If your server owner does not use suexec, then, one mailman install
 should handle all domains lists on their own domain. 


Hello Tom,

Do you have a short HOWTO on this option that doesn't use suexec?



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[Mailman-Users] stupid mistake?

2002-09-03 Thread Mailman

Hello,

Believe it or not, I am having trouble building mailman.  I have done it
in the past with a previous version on a different machine.  I made a
detailed log describing my individual steps.

FreeBSD 4.6
Postfix 1.1.11
Mailman 2.0.13

Step 1:  Unpacked tar in /root/mailman-2.0.13/

Step 2:  Added line in /etc/group/
mailman:*:1002:

Step 3:  Added line in /etc/passwd
mailman:*:1002:1002:GNU Mailman:/home/mailman:/nonexistent

Step 4:  Added line in /etc/master.passwd
mailman:*:1002:1002::0:0:GNU Mailman:/home/mailman:/nonexistent

Step 5:  Decided that $prefix shall be /usr/local/mailman/

Step 6:  Executed in csh,
#mkdir /usr/local/mailman/

Step 7:  Executed in csh,
#chown mailman:mailman /usr/local/mailman/

Step 8:  Verified Step 7

Step 9:  Executed in csh,
#cd /usr/local/mailman/

Step 10:  Executed in csh,
#chgrp mailman .

Step 11:  Executed in csh,
#chmod a+rs,g+ws .

Step 12:  Executed in csh,
#set MAILHOST=frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu

Step 13:  Executed in csh,
#set WWWHOST=www.frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu

Step 14:  Executed in csh,
#export MAILHOST WWWHOST
export: Command not found.

Step 15:  Executed in csh,
# /root/mailman-2.0.13/configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman/
--with-mail-gid=postfix --with-cgi-gid=nobody

Step 16:  Returned data from configure:
excerpt
checking for default fully qualified host name... frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
checking for default URL host component... frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
/excerpt

The big question:  It doesn't seem to have listened to MAILHOST and
WWWHOST from steps 12-14.

Step 17:  Executed in csh,
#cd /root/mailman-2.0.13/

Step 18:  Executed in csh,
#make install
make: don't know how to make install. Stop

Step 19:  Assuming Line 102 in INSTALL is wrong or misplaced.  I will try
'make' first and then 'make install'

Step 20:  Executed in csh,
#make
make: no target to make.

Step 21:  Give up on install...


Tim


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Re: [Mailman-Users] stupid mistake?

2002-09-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Mailman wrote:

 Step 12:  Executed in csh,
 #set MAILHOST=frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
 #set WWWHOST=www.frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
 #export MAILHOST WWWHOST
 export: Command not found.

command not found.  this explains the failure in step 16...

try
#setenv MAILHOST frybread...
#setenv WWWHOST www.frybread...


 Step 18:  Executed in csh,
 #make install
 make: don't know how to make install. Stop

that's because you ran the configure command in /usr/local/mailman, not
/root/mailman-2.0.13

fixing the above, and running the configure command in the right location
will solve the other problems.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain

2002-09-03 Thread hotmail user



It is my understanding, that either; suexec is enabled or it's 
not enabled
on the entire server. There isn't a way that I am aware 
of to"pick 
choose" suexec or not. It would be up to the server owner 
whether
suexec is enabled or not; and unfortunately, for those small 
businesses
that resell hosting, or otherwise use shared hosting, our 
hands are
tied, so to speak. Server owners want to protect the server, 
naturally,
and with that, comes sacrifice of running one install of 
mailman 
for multiple domains. I suppose, it would be feasable to 
install an
itineration of mailman, in each virtual domain, which would 
then
sacrifice space, and make upgrading a chore. So, no easy 
answer,
unless Barry comes up with a workaround. 

If I'm off the base, here, maybe someone can enlighten me. I 
would love
to have a solution, since, I don't yet host enough sites to 
warrant a
dedicated server, but also, when I do grow and begin having 
resellers
sharing MY server, I would be nice to have a solution, without 
compromising
the security of the server. 
tom 



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  From: 
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  Washington 
  To: hotmail user 
  Cc: Odhiambo Washington ; Jens W. Skov - JS 
  Consult ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual 
  domain
  * hotmail user [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [20020903 19:19]: wrote: If your server is wrapping mailman in suexec, 
   http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html 
   then, your list admin will not resolve to your own domain name. 
   It will look something like: http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net 
   instead of: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/ 
   and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users_virtualdomain.net/ 
  ..  This is all done because of precautions of plugging any holes 
  for hackers to access.  If your server owner does not use 
  suexec, then, one mailman install should handle all domains lists on 
  their own domain. Hello Tom,Do you have a short HOWTO on 
  this option that doesn't use 
  suexec? 
  cheers - wash 



[Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread David F. Reed

I think I have the grand move almost done;
but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
are getting mail out fine...

Any ideas where to look?

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

David F. Reed wrote:

 I think I have the grand move almost done;
 but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

 I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
 are getting mail out fine...

did you install the crontab?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

David F. Reed wrote:

 Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help:

 [root@david mailman]# tail smtp
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
 refused')
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds

i would start looking at your mta logs, see what error it's giving.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread David F. Reed

Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help:

from /var/mailman/smtp

[root@david mailman]# tail smtp
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds

from /var/mailman/smtp-failure

Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)

from /var/mailman/post

Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1158, 1 failures

Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=62, 1 failures

Hopefully that will help someone more educated than I to point me
usefully...

--Dave


David F. Reed wrote:

 I think I have the grand move almost done;
 but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

 I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
 are getting mail out fine...

 Any ideas where to look?

 Thanks

 --Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread David F. Reed

Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
[root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron
Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail


Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

David F. Reed wrote:

  

I think I have the grand move almost done;
but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
are getting mail out fine...



did you install the crontab?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner

Larry Rosenman wrote:

 What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?

sarcasm
If *I* do it?

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Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220-mail.pcraft.com ESMTP
220-Kemosabe no in tipi now.  You leave'um message after little smoke signal,
220 and Kemosabe get back for pow-wow real fast..
ehlo pcraft.com
250-mail.pcraft.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
 [snip]  [send mail ...
250 2.0.0 g83IWht18115 Message accepted: There, doesn't that feel better?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread David F. Reed

Larry, I think you are on to something; odd as it sounds, it is refused:
[root@david mailman]# telnet 127.0.0.1 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused

now why do I say odd? because the other machines are using this one
as a host to send mail, as am I logged onto it, but, mailman can't...

so I am confused...

I am running RH 7.3; I do not see immediately how to turn that on,
but I will search.

Thanks

--Dave

Larry Rosenman wrote:

What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?



On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
  

Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
[root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron
Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail


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David F. Reed wrote:

 

  

I think I have the grand move almost done;
but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
are getting mail out fine...
   



   did you install the crontab?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

Are you running Sendmail?  Do you have it setup to listen on interface
0.0.0.0 only or on all interfaces (what do you get when you run netstat
-a)?

Jon Carnes
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On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:48, David F. Reed wrote:
 Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help:
 
 from /var/mailman/smtp
 
 [root@david mailman]# tail smtp
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
 refused')
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
 refused')
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
 refused')
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
 refused')
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
 refused')
 Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
 
 from /var/mailman/smtp-failure
 
 Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
 Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
 Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
 Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
 Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
 Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore)
 
 from /var/mailman/post
 
 Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1158, 1 failures
 
 Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=62, 1 failures
 
 Hopefully that will help someone more educated than I to point me
 usefully...
 
 --Dave
 
 
 David F. Reed wrote:
 
  I think I have the grand move almost done;
  but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
 
  I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
  are getting mail out fine...
 
  Any ideas where to look?
 
  Thanks
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Mel Sojka

Check /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. By default Red Hat accepts no network mail.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

The current version of Mailman leaves this to the MTA to figure out.  If
you were using Sendmail then you would setup the Generics tables with
each list to indicate the domains that the lists should appear to be
from.  In postfix, exim, and qmail this is part of the standard install
(correct me folks if I'm wrong).  You'll have to read up on the MTA that
you are going to be using in order to handle the virtual domains
properly.

HtH,

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 11:43, Jens W. Skov - JS Consult wrote:
 Hi
 
 To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
 They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
 server as listserver. 
 Fx an address [EMAIL PROTECTED]  would forward to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] corresponding a list called
 infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
 was called [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a way that you would have to look at
 the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.
 
 Can this be done with mailman?
 
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[Mailman-Users] FW: Undeliverable Message (fwd)

2002-09-03 Thread Devin Atencio


I have Mailman 2.0.13 installed and I am noticing a problem. When
Mailman sends out the monthly password reminders to all the users one of
the mailing lists is using another mailing list e-mail address as to the
address. 
I have a list setup called [EMAIL PROTECTED] and for some
reason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is getting the message below which is
about [EMAIL PROTECTED] that has nothing to do with him. Any
ideas
why this is happening? Any help would greatly be appreciated. 


-Original Message-
From: Brice Morton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Undeliverable Message (fwd)



-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:03:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: CompuServe Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Undeliverable Message

Receiver not found: gursten


Your message could not be delivered as addressed.

--- Message From Postmaster ---

Subject: Addressing CompuServe Mail users

Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you need additional
formatting
information for other types of addresses.

Cordially,

The Electronic Postmaster

--- Returned Message ---

Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from mail2.aros.net (mail2.aros.net [66.219.192.20])
by siaag1ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.14) with ESMTP id
HAA19665
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:03:14 -0400
(EDT)
Received: from mail2.aros.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by mail2.aros.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g81B3CSF025716
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 05:03:12 -0600
(MDT)
(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 05:03:12 -0600
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: aros.net mailing list memberships reminder
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13
Precedence: bulk
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/)

This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your aros.net mailing
list memberships.  It includes your subscription info and how to use
it to change it or unsubscribe from a list.

You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of
the list (for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) containing
just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be
sent to you with instructions.

If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thanks!

Passwords for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

List Password // URL
   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   uxorce
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[Mailman-Users] change password reminder From: header?

2002-09-03 Thread Christopher Adams

If password reminders are set to monthly by  default, and a list owner
chooses to use that setting, is there a way to set the From: header to the
list owner address and not mailman-owner?

As the administrator of over 200 lists, I don't want to be getting all the
out of the office messages in reply to the password reminder, nor do I
want to have to deal with the messages in reply, like why am I on this
list?, what is this password stuff all about?, etc.

I have read the archives and FAQ, but can't find anything definitive about
this.


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
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- Original Message -
From: Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tom Whiting [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike D. [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?


 At 19:17 01/09/2002 -0500, Tom Whiting wrote:
 On Sunday 01 September 2002 01:07 pm, Mike D. wrote:
   Hello,
  
   My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option
   to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the
   previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such
   option.  The only thing I can find is the Emergency moderation of
   all list traffic selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this
   the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there
   another way I am missing.

 You should find what you want by clicking the 'Sender filters' link at the
 top of the 'Privacy options' page of the web GUI for the list.

 I agree 100% here.. This is probably the only problem i've found with
beta
 version of mailman, that the moderation has to be chosen on an individual
 basis,or that you can't just define you want a certain list to be read
only.
 
 Here's what I mean;
 You start up X list
 X list is supposed to be a low-traffic announcement list, something for
 you to
 announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.
 By default, any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
 So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer can post to
and
 spam.
 
 
 Not exactly a smart idea.
 
 **shrug**

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Larry Rosenman

What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?



On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
 Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
 [root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron
 Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
 /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
 Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
 Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
 /var/mail
 
 
 Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
 
 David F. Reed wrote:
 
   
 
 I think I have the grand move almost done;
 but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
 
 I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
 are getting mail out fine...
 
 
 
 did you install the crontab?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Undeliverable Message (fwd)

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

Not that this is going to be of much help, but I thought I should send
this as quickly as possible...

You might want to change the password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
as quickly as you can and then make sure that their settings are okay.

(unless of course, you substituted in a different password before
sending to this list...)

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: is it possible that the sub-list is closed and your request user
was not added as a allowed poster?

BTW2: if you are going to have sub-lists on your list, you might want to
consider only running a list of sub-lists and then marking that list as
an umbrella list - then these kinds or things won't happen.  Of course
you could also simply upgrade to the Beta version which lets you
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Re: [Mailman-Users] change password reminder From: header?

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

If I recall correctly, Mailman ends the subject of the those messages
with: mailing list memberships reminder

If you use your email rules to throw away any messages with that in the
subject - as long as the mail does not come from mailman-owner - then
you'll be tossing all that cruft away that you don't want to see, yet
your own reminders will still get through.

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 14:42, Christopher Adams wrote:
 If password reminders are set to monthly by  default, and a list owner
 chooses to use that setting, is there a way to set the From: header to the
 list owner address and not mailman-owner?
 
 As the administrator of over 200 lists, I don't want to be getting all the
 out of the office messages in reply to the password reminder, nor do I
 want to have to deal with the messages in reply, like why am I on this
 list?, what is this password stuff all about?, etc.
 
 I have read the archives and FAQ, but can't find anything definitive about
 this.
 
 
 Christopher Adams
 Automated Systems
 Oregon State Library
 503-378-4243  x258
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Tom Whiting [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike D. [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
 
 
  At 19:17 01/09/2002 -0500, Tom Whiting wrote:
  On Sunday 01 September 2002 01:07 pm, Mike D. wrote:
Hello,
   
My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option
to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the
previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such
option.  The only thing I can find is the Emergency moderation of
all list traffic selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this
the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there
another way I am missing.
 
  You should find what you want by clicking the 'Sender filters' link at the
  top of the 'Privacy options' page of the web GUI for the list.
 
  I agree 100% here.. This is probably the only problem i've found with
 beta
  version of mailman, that the moderation has to be chosen on an individual
  basis,or that you can't just define you want a certain list to be read
 only.
  
  Here's what I mean;
  You start up X list
  X list is supposed to be a low-traffic announcement list, something for
  you to
  announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.
  By default, any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
  So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer can post to
 and
  spam.
  
  
  Not exactly a smart idea.
  
  **shrug**
 
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[Mailman-Users] several addresses for one user

2002-09-03 Thread Joerg Sommer

Hi,

I feed some mailinglists to a local newsserver. 4 local people read this
lists and discuss on them. The problem is, that I register an address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] All messages comming in for this address were feeded
in the newsgroup local.XX. If a reader followups to a article, the
message is send to the mailinglist. But the sender isn't registered and
the mail must wait for the list admin. But I don't want rewrite the from
address on sending to ml-XX, because in the case of a private reply, the
address isn't the address of the sender.

Can I register a member ml-XX on a mailing list and give the addresses of
persons I trust? So this persons can post, but don't receive mails.

Joerg.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread David F. Reed

indeed, now that port 25 is listening on localhost, its fine:
[davereed@david davereed]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 david.w5sv.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 
16:00:21 -0500

500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: 
help
214-2.0.0 This is sendmail version 8.11.6
214-2.0.0 Topics:
214-2.0.0   HELOEHLOMAILRCPTDATA
214-2.0.0   RSETNOOPQUITHELPVRFY
214-2.0.0   EXPNVERBETRNDSN AUTH
214-2.0.0   STARTTLS
214-2.0.0 For more info use HELP topic.
214-2.0.0 To report bugs in the implementation send email to
214-2.0.0   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
214 2.0.0 End of HELP info

and yes, that got mailman unclogged...

Thanks for the help.

--Dave

Larry Rosenman wrote:

What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?



On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
  

Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
[root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron
Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail


Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:



David F. Reed wrote:

 

  

I think I have the grand move almost done;
but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
are getting mail out fine...
   



   did you install the crontab?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...

2002-09-03 Thread Larry Rosenman

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:02, David F. Reed wrote:
 indeed, now that port 25 is listening on localhost, its fine:
 [davereed@david davereed]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25
 Trying 127.0.0.1...
 Connected to 127.0.0.1.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 220 david.w5sv.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 
 16:00:21 -0500
 
 500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: 
 help
 214-2.0.0 This is sendmail version 8.11.6
 214-2.0.0 Topics:
 214-2.0.0   HELOEHLOMAILRCPTDATA
 214-2.0.0   RSETNOOPQUITHELPVRFY
 214-2.0.0   EXPNVERBETRNDSN AUTH
 214-2.0.0   STARTTLS
 214-2.0.0 For more info use HELP topic.
 214-2.0.0 To report bugs in the implementation send email to
 214-2.0.0   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
 214 2.0.0 End of HELP info
 
 and yes, that got mailman unclogged...
 
 Thanks for the help.
Somehow, I knew it would


You are most welcome.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman-owner@domain.com

2002-09-03 Thread Devin Atencio










I have Mailman 2.0.13 and I notice every month Im
getting lots of unsubscribe requests

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Is there a way to change the configuration so that the list

owner gets these requests and not me (ie: [EMAIL PROTECTED]).?? Any help

would be appreciated.












[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2215 - 10 msgs

2002-09-03 Thread Bobby697
unsuscribe


[Mailman-Users] 'unknown user' error

2002-09-03 Thread Mailman

I created a small list with 4 subscribers.  After sending the first
e-mail, I get this bounced back to me.  I never entered a user with this
name, no record of this user is listed in ~/logs/subscribe

I have been puzzled over this for about the past hour or so.

BTW, thanks to all those who helped me with my install.  Once made, the
rest of the install went off without a single problem.

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[Mailman-Users] password reminder question

2002-09-03 Thread Christopher Adams

I have a question about password reminders. This system sends out montly
password reminders. Below is the header and footer of a message to a user.
Note that it comes from 'jog-admin' (another list we host) and is for a
subscriber of the 'currdir' list. It appears that it sent the correct
information to the right person, but why does it appear to be coming from
'jog-admin'?

Is this a feature or a bug in Mailman?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error

2002-09-03 Thread marina

At 11:51 AM -0400 2/9/02 [dmy], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry A. Warsaw) 
wrote about [Subject] Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error:
   marina ==   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  marina I was wondering whether there's any information available
  marina on possible reasons for 500 Internal Server Errors, apart
  marina from mailman's locks.
  
  Internal Server Errors come from the web server, so you should check
  its logs for clues.
  
  -Barry



Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question clear 
enough. What I would like to know is if there's any clues on what 
might cause 500 server errors when a list administrator tries to 
update the admindb queue.

I maintain the list, but have no access to the web server logs, and 
the sie administrator hasn't been able to find out what causes these 
random errors. I don't know, and I'm only guessing here, but I would 
think that if the log had an explanation of what happened, fixing the 
error wouldn't be a problem for the site administrator.

Am I wrong in assuming that the error in the Web server is caused by 
something mailman does, and could therefore be avoided if we knew 
(and could fix) what mailman is doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

marina
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error

2002-09-03 Thread John Handelaar

% -Original Message-
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% [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marina
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%   Internal Server Errors come from the web server, so you should check
%   its logs for clues.
%   
%   -Barry
% 
% Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question clear 
% enough. What I would like to know is if there's any clues on what 
% might cause 500 server errors when a list administrator tries to 
% update the admindb queue.

Can't speak for your particular case (it will be in the apache
error log), but in my experience nearly all such errors are caused
by a permissions problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error

2002-09-03 Thread Barry A. Warsaw


 marina ==   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

marina Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question
marina clear enough. What I would like to know is if there's any
marina clues on what might cause 500 server errors when a list
marina administrator tries to update the admindb queue.

marina I maintain the list, but have no access to the web server
marina logs, and the sie administrator hasn't been able to find
marina out what causes these random errors. I don't know, and I'm
marina only guessing here, but I would think that if the log had
marina an explanation of what happened, fixing the error wouldn't
marina be a problem for the site administrator.

marina Am I wrong in assuming that the error in the Web server is
marina caused by something mailman does, and could therefore be
marina avoided if we knew (and could fix) what mailman is doing
marina wrong?

It's possible, but it may not be a problem with Mailman.  Mailman only
needs to get a little ways into its driver script for it to be able to
give you better error reporting.  It's possible that it's a gid
problem, and for that, the web server logs should make that
immediately clear.  But if it only happens for the admindb pages and
not the other cgi's, I don't think that's it.

Without more detailed tracebacks or error messages, we'll just be
shooting in the dark.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 21:45, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

 Without more detailed tracebacks or error messages, we'll just be
 shooting in the dark.
 
 -Barry
 
If I were going to shoot in the dark on this one, then I would look at
the server memory while you were doing your Admindb work. Is your
database very large?  Also, what size are the partitions on this
server?  Any of them feeling the pinch on space?

Then for a real shot in the dark, ask about the servers use of NFS and
if any of its volumes are mounted remotely. There is nothing quite like
trying to lock an application via an NFS mounted drive!

Good Luck,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains

2002-09-03 Thread Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 23:55, Fuzzy wrote:

 Would I need a genericstable entry for each
 outbound alias? 

yes.

 Would I need virtusertable entry
 for each inbound alias? 

yes

 How would I make apache
 recognise the virtual domains for mailman?

For most people this is the easiest part.  Most folks falter on the mail
side of things, but have the web-pages working just fine.

Setup the virtual domains in the /etc/httpd/httpd.conf file and once
that is setup, Modify the list to use the virtual domain as its domain. 
It's important that the virtual domain be setup first (before pointing
Mailman to use it) or you will not be able to use the admindb web-page
anymore (well you would have to replace the config.db with the backed-up
version for the list).

Good Luck Fuzzy!
 
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