Re: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple ofMailmanIssues - but We Need Help

2004-04-22 Thread Anoetic Concepts
Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

 (Also, if there are any other glaring issues - maybe they can look
at
 them at the same time - but no promises.)

Yes, please have them look into this problem:

I'm using the Mailman version included in CPanel -- I think it's
version 2.1.3.  I sent the following 5 commands in an email to
the -request address of a list:

set authenticate password
set show
set delivery off
set show
end

Of course, I replaced password with my actual password.  The
response follows:

- Results:
Your current option settings:
ack on
digest off
delivery on
myposts on
hide off
duplicates on
reminders on
delivery option set
Your current option settings:
ack on
digest off
delivery on
myposts on
hide off
duplicates on
reminders on

- Done.

The line:
delivery option set
indicates that the set delivery command was processed, but as you can
see, the option was never turned off.  How do I get this bug fixed?
Do I need to report it to CPanel to get them to fix it and/or upgrade
the version of Mailman?

Jeff
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[Mailman-Users] problem sending messages to the list

2004-04-22 Thread Javier Cano Linares
Hi everybody out there!

I have a small problem. Yes, I know, maybe it is a newbie issue, I am
sorry about that...
I have just installed and configured a Linux system with Postfix 2.0.14
and the latest stable mailman version.
I create a list, the owner receives a message from the list. I can
subscribe new members to this list who can confirm their ownership to
the list via the web interface and then they receive the welcome
message.
The problem comes when a user tries to send a message to the list. The
problem appears sending message from outside.

The list is called prueba, the user trying to send a message is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here is an excerpt of file /var/log/mail:

---
Apr 22 04:16:30 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: connect from
unknown[195.53.80.153]
Apr 22 04:16:30 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: 5D54F31C6B:
client=unknown[195.53.80.153]
Apr 22 04:16:30 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: 5D54F31C6B: reject: RCPT
from unknown[195.53.80.153]: 450 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: User
unknown in local recipient table; from=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] proto=ESMTP helo=universia.net
...
Apr 22 04:16:31 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: disconnect from
unknown[195.53.80.153]


Thank you for your help!

Javier Cano




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Re: [Mailman-Users] List not distributing posts

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting Franco, Ruben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Listserv seems to have started working again after removing a couple of
 lock files from the mailman/locks directory.  Did this acutally fix
 the issue or was it coincidental?

No, that's it.  As the message said, qrunner couldn't deliver the mail
because the lock file told it that qrunner was already running.  I had
that problem after every system crash when I was running RedHat 7.x and
Mailman 1.x until I fixed the /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman script to make sure
those lock files got properly blown away on boot.

Don't ask me exactly what I changed, it was a long time ago.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Warning being treated like a bounce

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting Paul Tomblin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 ISP that has a clue.  So I was hoping somebody who knows Python could give
 me a hint on how to make the bounce processor not treat these warnings as
 bounces.

Is this the wrong mailing list to ask this question?  Can somebody suggest
a better place?

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[Mailman-Users] Problem with archives

2004-04-22 Thread Tth Pter
Hello Members,

I have Fedora Core 1 and mailman-2.1.4-1.
When I try to see the archives from the admin webpage 
(http://myhostname/mailman/admin/mylistname), everything is OK.

If I start from the listinfo page and check the archives (after passing my e-address 
and passwd) I can see the monthly table containing the posted letters, but unable to 
read them, because the list name is missing from the link. By selecting one item it 
gives me this: http://myhostname/mailman/private/2004-April/thread.html and an error: 
There is no list with name: 2004-april.

Could somebody tell me how to fix this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Peter
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[Mailman-Users] Bulk alteration of subscriber addresses

2004-04-22 Thread Tony Howat
Hi Mailman Users,

The organisation I'm working for is changing it's domain name. I need to 
process all mailing lists on our MailMan system and alter the subscribed 
addresses from our current domain to the new one, leaving external 
subscriber addresses intact.

Has anyone done such a thing, or something similar? DB/python is not my 
area, so any sample code to open a mailman database file and recurse 
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Bulk alteration of subscriber addresses

2004-04-22 Thread Tony Howat
Tony Howat wrote:

Hi Mailman Users,

The organisation I'm working for is changing it's domain name. I need to 
process all mailing lists on our MailMan system and alter the subscribed 
addresses from our current domain to the new one, leaving external 
subscriber addresses intact.

Has anyone done such a thing, or something similar? DB/python is not my 
area, so any sample code to open a mailman database file and recurse 
through subscribed addresses would be very useful.
Do ignore me. list_members provides such a template!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread texas critter - mailman-users
Wanda Clark Araujo wrote:

 We're in the process of setting up with hostway.  They've recommended
 Mailman.

 We'd like an email marketing software to allows us to create
 professional-looking, colorful HTML email newsletters, to manage email
 lists (so we can upload our data lists, target or segment portions of it
 and personalize), to track for receipts, opening and click thrus and to
 work within our Windows-based environment.

When you say Windows-based do you mean your personal computer is a Win PC
or that you want to install Mailman on a Windows server?  Mailman is
designed primarily for Linux/Unix servers.  It's possible to run it on a
Windows server, but it'll require some work.  The FAQ (see the link at the
bottom of all list messages) has more info about it.

Mailman doesn't provide any tracking or click thru info, if you're using
html, you can do various things in that which will provide tracking and
click thru info.

Mailman also doesn't provide the ability to email only a portion of the
member list.  You'd need to set up a separate list for each portion that
you'd want to send different emails to, then (I think) you could set up an
umbrella list to email all of them.

Lyris is probably more what you'd want, it does provide the ability to
target portions of a mailing list by a variety of data points, it also has
better handling of html and scheduling of posts.  But it's not free.  There
are list hosting services that use Lyris, NetAtlantic is one, Dundee is
another.  Again, not free tho.

hth,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Mailman also doesn't provide the ability to email only a portion of the
 member list.  You'd need to set up a separate list for each portion that
 you'd want to send different emails to, then (I think) you could set up an
 umbrella list to email all of them.

Not true.  You can set up topics in recent versions of Mailman, and
people can subscribe to as many or as few of the topics of that list as
they want.

For instance, my copilot-announce mailing list has two topics - the
CoPilot program itself, and the waypoint generator that provides navaid
data for the program.  People only interested in hearing when the next
version of CoPilot is coming out or what features it will have can
subscribe to the CoPilot topic, and people interested in hearing when
I've applied the FAA 56 day updates can subscribe to the Generator
topic.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can a Public High School Use Mailman?

2004-04-22 Thread texas critter - mailman-users
Andrea Viel wrote:

 I was exposed to Mailman, because I also manage the Oakland Strokes mail.
 We certainly could load the email addresses we've collected manually.

 As I don't really know much about websites, can you please explain what
 we need to use Mailman.  Can our school district website link up or
 create a mailman account?  Please explain how Mailman is set up in very
 simple terms!

Mailman is a program designed to be installed and run on a Linux/Unix
server that already has mail and web server software installed.

You mention your school district's website, where is that hosted?  On a
server that your school district maintains?  or thru a webhosting provider?

If your school district has a server, check with the server admin to see if
it's Linux/Unix and if they could install Mailman for you.  If the school
district is using a webhost, check with the webhost, lots of webhosting
providers also offer Mailman lists as part of their webhosting packages and
it's very easy to create your list and load your email addresses.

If the school district doesn't have a server or can't/won't install Mailman
and the current webhost doesn't offer Mailman, then you might look into
webhosts that do offer Mailman, there's bunches that do, for as little as
$5/month.  Try Googling on website hosting and mailman.

hth,
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[Mailman-Users] Admin

2004-04-22 Thread Net Mail
hi
how to for setup the password for create a list ?
chers
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[Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 53

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bulk alteration of subscriber addresses

2004-04-22 Thread Richard Barrett
On 22 Apr 2004, at 13:09, Tony Howat wrote:

Hi Mailman Users,

The organisation I'm working for is changing it's domain name. I need 
to process all mailing lists on our MailMan system and alter the 
subscribed addresses from our current domain to the new one, leaving 
external subscriber addresses intact.

Has anyone done such a thing, or something similar? DB/python is not 
my area, so any sample code to open a mailman database file and 
recurse through subscribed addresses would be very useful.

using the available command line tools, then for each list:

1.	use $prefix/bin/list_members to extract the subscriber list to a 
text file

2. edit the email addresses in the file using sed, a perl script or 
whatever text manipulation tool is your preference

3. use $prefix/bin/sync_members to tell MM to update the subscriber list

put a shell wrapper around it to iterate over all your lists.

no knowledge of python or MM internals required

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread texas critter - mailman-users
Paul Tomblin wrote:

 Not true.  You can set up topics in recent versions of Mailman, and
 people can subscribe to as many or as few of the topics of that list as
 they want.

ah!  thanks much for correcting me, I haven't played with topics on Mailman
yet.  I'm familar with them on a LSoft list and figured it was much the
same but hadn't thought about how that would apply to the original question
here.  So thanks for the info. :)

But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member gets?  I
think the original poster was wanting to be able to target specific
segments of the list, for example, all AOL members, could a listowner set
each AOL member to be subbed to a topic of AOL?  Would you have to set
each AOL member individually or could do you set all of them at once?

hth,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member gets?  I

Not as far as I can tell.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread Todd
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
 Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member
 gets?  I

 Not as far as I can tell.

Sure they can.  The listowner can change options for list members
easily.  They do have to do this for each subscriber if using the web
interface.  I'm sure something simple could be whipped up to automate
this via the command line, though I haven't tried it (technically,
something relatively simple could be whipped up to do this via the web
interface too, if one were so inclined).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin

2004-04-22 Thread Al Black
On April 22, 2004 12:06 pm, Net Mail wrote:
 hi
 how to for setup the password for create a list ?

cd ~/usr/local/mailman/bin
(or wherever you have mailman stored)

mmsitepass is what you are looking for, and mmsitepass -h will give you more 
info.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin

2004-04-22 Thread Doc Schneider
Can someone please let me know how to intergrate spamassassin with Mailman?

Running both 2.1.4 and 2.0.13 on different servers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting Todd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Paul Tomblin wrote:
  Quoting texas critter - mailman-users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member
  gets?  I
 
  Not as far as I can tell.
 
 Sure they can.  The listowner can change options for list members
 easily.  They do have to do this for each subscriber if using the web
 interface.  I'm sure something simple could be whipped up to automate

I don't see any option to do that on the version of Mailman I'm using
(2.1.1).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin

2004-04-22 Thread Laurent Flamand
Hi,
i'm usinge MailMan and SpamAssassin.
in fact i use amavisd-new + SpamAssassin+Sophos+Postfix and MailMan as List
Manager.

it's quite easy too install.

Laurent
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 Can someone please let me know how to intergrate spamassassin with
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 Running both 2.1.4 and 2.0.13 on different servers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting Doc Schneider ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Can someone please let me know how to intergrate spamassassin with Mailman?
 
 Running both 2.1.4 and 2.0.13 on different servers.

I've been doing this for ages on all the publically known mailing lists.
What I did was re-alias the posting address to

copilot-announce:|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=copilot-announce 
/etc/procmailrcs/mailman
rfc: |/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=rfc /etc/procmailrcs/mailman

Then /etc/procmailrcs/mailman is a file that belongs to user
nobody.nobody (because that's who Mailman expects mail to come from)
which looks sort of like:

HOME=/var/mailman
SPAMFOLDER=${HOME}/Mail/caughtspam
LOGFILE=${HOME}/Mail/log

:0
* ^Content-Type: multipart/
{
:0 B:
* ^Content-Type:.*(^.*)?name=.*\.(bat|com|exe|lnk|pif|scr|shs|vbs)
/dev/null
}

:0fw
| ${SPAMC}

:0
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
${SPAMFOLDER}

:0
|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post ${MAILMAN}

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions

2004-04-22 Thread Todd
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
 I don't see any option to do that on the version of Mailman I'm using
 (2.1.1).

You should be able to just pull up the membership list and click on
the subscriber's name to be taken to their options page, where you can
edit things.

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[Mailman-Users] KNOWN_SPAMMERS not consulted for -bounces

2004-04-22 Thread Todd
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I have SpamAssassin setup site-wide on a system running mailman (and
some webmail users).  I wanted to take advantage of this to filter out
the most obvious spam sent to my lists so I added

KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('X-Spam-Flag','YES')]

to mm_cfg.py.  That works for most stuff but it does not help when
spam is sent to the list-bounces address, as more and more spam seems
to be doing on this system.  I don't really want to disable sending
uncaught bounces to the list admin, but as more and more spam gets
sent there, it's harder and harder to justify not doing something.

Is there a reason anyone knows of why the BounceRunner doesn't run
messages through the either the GLOBAL_PIPLINE or OWNER_PIPELINE?  I
experimented with adding a simple _dospamdetect method to the
BounceRunner and it seems to work, but I'd like to know if there's
some well thought out reason why this isn't already done and what I
might break doing this.

The patch I made to Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py is below.  Try not
to laugh too hard if I've done anything grossly out of style for
Python coding.  Most of it is taken right out of the _dopipeline code
in Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py.  Comments, criticisms, or
improvements would be most welcome.

- --- mailman-2.1.4/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py~  Mon Jan  5 13:51:14 2004
+++ mailman-2.1.4/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py Mon Apr 19 00:12:48 2004
@@ -16,6 +16,8 @@
 
 Bounce queue runner.
 
+import sys
+import os
 import re
 import time
 
@@ -24,6 +26,7 @@
 from email.Utils import parseaddr
 
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
+from Mailman import Errors
 from Mailman import Utils
 from Mailman import LockFile
 from Mailman.Message import UserNotification
@@ -56,6 +59,9 @@
 # Make sure we have the most up-to-date state
 mlist.Load()
 outq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.OUTQUEUE_DIR)
+# First detect spam
+if self._dospamdetect(mlist, msg, msgdata):
+return
 # There are a few possibilities here:
 #
 # - the message could have been VERP'd in which case, we know exactly
@@ -110,6 +116,23 @@
 self._next_registration = now + REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY
 self._register_bounces()
 
+def _dospamdetect(self, mlist, msg, msgdata):
+modname = 'Mailman.Handlers.SpamDetect'
+__import__(modname)
+try:
+pid = os.getpid()
+sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
+# Failsafe -- a child may have leaked through.
+if pid  os.getpid():
+syslog('error', 'child process leaked thru: %s', modname)
+os._exit(1)
+except Errors.DiscardMessage:
+# Throw the message away; we need do nothing else with it.
+syslog('vette', 'Message discarded, msgid: %s',
+   msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'))
+return 1
+return
+
 def _register_bounces(self):
 syslog('bounce', 'Processing %s queued bounces', self._bouncecnt)
 # First, get the list of bounces register against the site list.  For

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Postfix

2004-04-22 Thread hstorz
Hi, 

Im trying to set up mailman  postfix on a fedora core 1 system.
I created a test-list with 200 valid members and posted several
mails to that list.
Everything works fast and fine and the mails are being delivered within 2sec 
(logfile: ...smtp for 222 recips, completed in 2.324 seconds). 

Here the problem:
All test-lists i set up afterwards wont work @all
posted mails get refused after several minutes (logfile: ...smtp for 131 
recips, commpleted in 248.686 seconds). 

The mails were correctly injected into the mailmanscripts and are even 
stored in the archives. 

maillog: ...relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (|/var/mailman/mail/mailman 
post test 

whats so different between the first and the other lists and what am i doing 
wrong? 

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[Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?

2004-04-22 Thread Dr. Jones
Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?

I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list among 
patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.

Any pitfalls to watch out for?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?

2004-04-22 Thread Sean Collen
A mailing list would not be HIPPA compliant. Then again it may be, but  
it depends highly on the reasoning and use of the list.

Sean Collen
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Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?

I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list among  
patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.

Any pitfalls to watch out for?

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[Mailman-Users] nightly_gzip sends message to mailman, gets stuck

2004-04-22 Thread Kai Schaetzl
I created new lists by copying existing directories and made the necessary 
changes with withlist etc., but these lists didn't have their archive 
directories yet. nightly_gzip barked about that (bogus archive directory 
for mailing list ...) and then sent this message to the mailman mailing 
list. There it gets stuck, as it seems because root isn't a member of the 
list. Is this expected behavior or should I change something so it gets 
distributed to the list? And if I do so what will happen? The list doesn't 
have any members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?

2004-04-22 Thread Dr. Jones
Sean:



A mailing list would not be HIPPA compliant. Then again it may be, 
but  it depends highly on the reasoning and use of the list.
Here's my high reasoning, why it would not. If I keep it a moderated 
list, and the list members' names are not published to the list, i.e., 
on member on the list can't really find out the identity of any other 
list member, then I would think the privacy issue is covered.

As for use of the list, my use of it would be to disseminate health 
information to my patients. A side purpose would be to generate 
discussion about healthcare, and hopefully encourage others on the list 
to reply to and comment on the postings of some other members. I would 
NOT be including individual member addresses on the list for public 
distribution, just what people had written. If one user wanted to 
contact another it would be solely at the discretion of the another 
user

With this clarification, would it seem more 'compliant'? I read about 
MD's conducting group classes to instruct several patients at one time. 
I don't read anywhere about each patient being blindfolded, or being 
instructed to never utter their own names outloud in such sessions.

?

 
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Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?

I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list 
among  patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.

Any pitfalls to watch out for?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?

2004-04-22 Thread Sean Collen
Yes, that is fine, I run a list like that now for the National Kidney  
Foundation. A place for an administrator to send out health info, and a  
place for everyone to have discussions on different issues and such.

We have not had any issues with HIPPA up to now, and many of our  
members/clients have already been audited by those HIPPA compliancy  
groups.

Sean Collen
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Capitol Corporate Campus
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Sean:



A mailing list would not be HIPPA compliant. Then again it may be,  
but  it depends highly on the reasoning and use of the list.
Here's my high reasoning, why it would not. If I keep it a moderated  
list, and the list members' names are not published to the list, i.e.,  
on member on the list can't really find out the identity of any other  
list member, then I would think the privacy issue is covered.

As for use of the list, my use of it would be to disseminate health  
information to my patients. A side purpose would be to generate  
discussion about healthcare, and hopefully encourage others on the  
list to reply to and comment on the postings of some other members. I  
would NOT be including individual member addresses on the list for  
public distribution, just what people had written. If one user wanted  
to contact another it would be solely at the discretion of the  
another user

With this clarification, would it seem more 'compliant'? I read about  
MD's conducting group classes to instruct several patients at one  
time. I don't read anywhere about each patient being blindfolded, or  
being instructed to never utter their own names outloud in such  
sessions.

?

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Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?

I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list  
among  patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA  
violations.

Any pitfalls to watch out for?

Dr. Jones

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?

2004-04-22 Thread texas critter - mailman-users
Dr. Jones wrote:

 Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?

 I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list among
 patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.

I don't know the legal ramifications, but here's my two cents.  If it's
just an announcement list, for you to send out health info, absolutely no
problem.  Don't make the member list public, make it just for list admins
and you're fine, there's no disclosure of the other patients at all.  If
you've got email addresses for your patients now, you could send out a one
time message, announcing the list and its purpose and stating that if they
want to join, to go to the website or to send an email to, etc.  After
that, just make sure that when patients fill in their email address on one
of your forms or wherever, that it says that you're going to add them to
your mailing list.

If it's going to be discussion tho, make sure that your patients know, make
it very clear in the initial one time message.  Posting to a discussion
list will reveal the patient's email address and possibly their identity,
home address, phone number, etc. depending on how much info is publicly
tied to their email address.  So just be sure they know it's a discussion
list and that in posting, they may be revealing their identity.  Also, I
suggest making the list confirm + approve, so that you can verify that
people wanting to join are current patients - or if you're going to make it
open to the public, make sure your patients know that.

You might also consider having two lists, one for announcements only and
one for discussion and announcements and on whatever your patients fill in
their email address, add a couple checkboxes for the announcement list and
the discussion/announcement list.

hth,
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[Mailman-Users] Reply from Archives goes to list, not poster.

2004-04-22 Thread Brian Maull
Hello,
When browsing the archives, if you click on the email address of a post to reply to 
that post, the email generates to the list address instead of the users address.  The 
reply to setting is set to reply to poster, not list.  Also, if any email addresses 
are listed in the post (for example in a signature) the address is obscured (as it 
should be) and replaced with a link.  This link takes you to the list info page 
instead of creating an email.
Is this by design, or is there a way to fix this?
Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54

2004-04-22 Thread Bob Fetten

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