Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests

2005-07-29 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:03 PM -0600 2005-07-28, Elizabeth Lear wrote:

  Ah, thanks.  Before I give up completely, can you say whether scrubber
  can be hacked out without breaking things, or is it too integral to
  the code?

I believe that omitting or hacking Scrubber.py is likely to lead 
to behaviour that you will find to be very highly undesirable. 
Certainly MIME formatted digests will no longer be readable because 
Mailman is unable to put the structure back correctly, and plain text 
format digests will have all sorts of garbage in them which 
virtually none of your users will be able to do anything with.

The result will be that everyone will consider their digests to 
now be broken.  The degree of broken-ness will vary by the types of 
MIME bodyparts that would normally have been scrubbed, but they will 
still be broken.

There's a very good reason why things are done the way they are.

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[Mailman-Users] Stripping an Attachment?

2005-07-29 Thread Larry Rosenman
We have a list set up with a 4000K size limit, and just the bad Microsoft
Extensions in the list
Of bad ones, not including the .DOC extension this user used.

Why would mailman strip the .DOC?

2.1.6 on FreeBSD from Ports.

Ideas?  Help?

Here's the exim log of the input/output (with e-mail addresses elided):
2005-07-27 08:17:57 1DxkrF-md-AR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H=mail.minerva.net (minerva.net) [206.131.230.4] P=esmtp S=154538
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2005-07-27 08:17:59 1DxkrH-n5-JO =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] H=localhost (elists.isoc.org) [::1]
P=esmtp S=8533 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2005-07-27 08:17:59 1DxkrH-n5-KN =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] H=localhost (elists.isoc.org) [::1]
P=esmtp S=8512 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2005-07-27 08:17:59 1DxkrH-n5-LX =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] H=localhost (elists.isoc.org) [::1]
P=esmtp S=8512 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2005-07-27 08:17:59 1DxkrH-n5-Mi =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] H=localhost (elists.isoc.org) [::1]
P=esmtp S=8512 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2005-07-27 08:18:00 1DxkrH-n5-LX == [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=dnslookup
T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP delivery explicitly queued 2005-07-27
08:23:08 1DxkrH-n5-LX = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp
S=8648 H=mail.*.com [***.***.***.***]
X=SSLv3:RC4-SHA:128 C=250 11603137 message accepted for delivery
QT=5m9s DT=1s 


Note the S= on the first line, which is the size, and the S= on the
injections from ::1.

Help?

I have a PDF of the contentfilter page, but this list won't let me post it,
I can send to anyone that
Want/needs to see it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] thousands of lists

2005-07-29 Thread Forrest Aldrich
Along this line of discussion, the issue of DB backend integration is on 
the list of TODO - I wonder if there has been any discussion or exchange 
about implementation.

This may help solve some of the scalability issues.


_F


Brad Knowles wrote:

At 3:07 PM +1000 2005-07-28, Iain Pople wrote:

  

 We are using Solaris UFS.



   If switching filesystems is an option, you might want to take a 
look at Veritas VxFS.  It's a commercial replacement that should be 
more than enough for your needs.  I've had experience with SGI XFS 
(on real SGI hardware), and other journaling filesystems, as well as 
other extent-based directory-hashing filesystems, and VxFS beats 
everything else I've seen -- hands-down.

   If VxFS isn't an option, keep an eye on ZFS for Solaris 10.  I've 
heard some really good things about it.


   Otherwise, you may be forced to have multiple Mailman 
installations, each covering a subset of your 15,000 lists.  Or, you 
may need to come up with a hack to implement a hashed directory 
scheme.

   There is an old patch at 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=403064group_id=103atid=300103
 
which sounds related according to the description, but the comment 
from Barry indicates that something similar has already been applied 
to the code, which is why this patch was closed.

  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions

2005-07-29 Thread David Scribner
At 2:19 PM +0200 7/28/05, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote:

  Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily
  Digest is sent out.

   It's a cron job.  Did you enable all the cron jobs like you 
were supposed to?

I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER. 
How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled?  I'm not a UNIX 
geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests

2005-07-29 Thread Elizabeth Lear
Thanks so much for all of the help and information.  I will try using
MIME digests first.  If things don't work for the subscribers, I can
try Mark's code suggestion.

...eliz

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Virtual Mailman

2005-07-29 Thread Tiago Cruz
Kenn Martin escreveu:

 Better yet, add the following to the MAKE_ARGS section of
 /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf :

   'mail/mailman' = 'MAIL_GID=mailman',

 This will also save you each time you run portupgrade. 


Hi Kenn,

Thank you to your tip, it's really very important set this variable to 
future upgrade in my system!
But I can't find this file in my FreeBSD 5.4 STABLE... I need install 
some package?

Thanks a lot!

Cheers,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions

2005-07-29 Thread Larry Stone
On 7/29/05 5:45 AM, David Scribner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 2:19 PM +0200 7/28/05, Brad Knowles wrote:
 At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote:
 
  Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily
  Digest is sent out.
 
 It's a cron job.  Did you enable all the cron jobs like you
 were supposed to?
 
 I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER.
 How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled?  I'm not a UNIX
 geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server.

Ah... If it were a self-installed mailman on non-Server OS X, we can be a
lot of help. But there seems to be little knowledge here of Apple's somewhat
proprietary installation of Mailman on OS X Server. Reports indicate that
there is a lot non-standard about how Apple installed it.

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[Mailman-Users] subscribers with more than one email address

2005-07-29 Thread Christian Anton
Hi everybody,

today one of my users told me he wants to receive all list-mails on his 
gmail-account but he wants to be able to post messages from his two 
other mail addresses, too.
How could we realize this?

thanks

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[Mailman-Users] arch + EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER + lock files

2005-07-29 Thread Jean-Philippe GIOLA
Hi all

In my mm_cfg.py, Y have this line :
 PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat  /tmp/mail_tmp ; 
/home/mailman/bin/arch %(listname)s /tmp/mail_tmp'

So, when a mail is sent to a list, it is store in a temporary file and 
then this command is execute :
/home/mailman/bin/arch %(listname)s /tmp/mail_tmp

The problem I have is that the execution of this last command create 
lock's files in the locks directory :
listname.lock ...
and so arch can't re-create the archives from /tmp/mail_tmp.
then, when I remove the lock files, the execution of the arch script go on.

Does someone has a idea to resolve my problem ?

NB : When I execute /home/mailman/bin/arch listname /tmp/mail_tmp 
directly from the command line, it works very well...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribers with more than one email address

2005-07-29 Thread Russ Romano
I do this on my own list...

Just have the user subscribe from every account they want to post
from... And then turn off mail delivery (first option typically in the
user config web page) for the accounts that he/she doesn't want mail
delivered to.

-Russ

 
 Hi everybody,
 
 today one of my users told me he wants to receive all 
 list-mails on his 
 gmail-account but he wants to be able to post messages from his two 
 other mail addresses, too.
 How could we realize this?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribers with more than one email address

2005-07-29 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:30 PM +0200 2005-07-29, Christian Anton wrote:

  today one of my users told me he wants to receive all list-mails on his
  gmail-account but he wants to be able to post messages from his two
  other mail addresses, too.
  How could we realize this?

Have him subscribe from both addresses, and set one to NOMAIL.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions

2005-07-29 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:45 AM -0500 2005-07-29, David Scribner wrote:

  I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER. How
  can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled?  I'm not a UNIX geek so
  I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server.

See 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping an Attachment?

2005-07-29 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:12 AM -0400 2005-07-29, Larry Rosenman wrote:

  We have a list set up with a 4000K size limit, and just the bad Microsoft
  Extensions in the list
  Of bad ones, not including the .DOC extension this user used.

  Why would mailman strip the .DOC?

Depends on your content filtering configuration.  Did you 
configure Mailman to pass only certain types and strip everything 
else, or strip only certain types and pass everything else?

Did you configure Mailman to scrub all attachments for digests 
and the regular lists too?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions

2005-07-29 Thread Dan Phillips

On Jul 29, 2005, at 6:26 AM, Larry Stone wrote:

 On 7/29/05 5:45 AM, David Scribner at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER.
 How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled?  I'm not a UNIX
 geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server.


 Ah... If it were a self-installed mailman on non-Server OS X, we  
 can be a
 lot of help. But there seems to be little knowledge here of Apple's  
 somewhat
 proprietary installation of Mailman on OS X Server. Reports  
 indicate that
 there is a lot non-standard about how Apple installed it.


I first installed Mailman 2.0.13 from source on Jaguar server and  
have updated it to 2.1.6, but recently began using a default Apple  
install on Tiger Server. There's really very little done differently  
that I can see, other than the system unexpectedly changing my  
settings in mm_cfg.py on occasion. The big difference is splitting  
into var and /usr/share directories.

In any case, the Mailman crontab is standard.

David, run sudo crontab -u mailman -l in the Terminal app and look  
for this line:

# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold  
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/senddigests

Read man crontab for instructions on how to edit it.

Dan




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping an Attachment?

2005-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Larry Rosenman wrote:

We have a list set up with a 4000K size limit, and just the bad Microsoft
Extensions in the list
Of bad ones, not including the .DOC extension this user used.

Why would mailman strip the .DOC?

Content filtering does not strip based on filename extension. It strips
based on mime content type. Just because a file is named *.doc doesn't
mean a sender's MUA gives it a content type of application/msword when
attaching it to a mail message.

Also, see Brad's suggestion in another reply that you might be
scrubbing attachments from regular deliveries.

I have a PDF of the contentfilter page, but this list won't let me post it,
I can send to anyone that
Want/needs to see it.

Why not just copy and paste the contents of the filter_mime_types and
pass_mime_types boxes into a text post?

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[Mailman-Users] mysql and mailman part 2

2005-07-29 Thread Sean Roe
Hi All,

here is some more information about my issue from yesturday.  On my 
default 'mailman' list I can add users and delete users no problem via 
the web interface, however our 'emagazine' database which is set up the 
same way, does not work.  the only real difference is the 'emagazine' 
database has over 123000 addresses in it.  Did I hit some sort of 
limitation?

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribers with more than one email address

2005-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christian Anton wrote:

today one of my users told me he wants to receive all list-mails on his 
gmail-account but he wants to be able to post messages from his two 
other mail addresses, too.
How could we realize this?

I think this is on the 'list' for Mailman 3, but in the mean time, two
other replies suggested multiple subs with all but one set to disable
mail delivery. This is probably the best approach because it gives the
user control, but it can be useful in some cases to add the other
address(es) to accept_these_nonmembers. This can be done as part of
the approval process for a held post from a 'non-member'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Weird membership reminder

2005-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Paolo wrote:

I have unsubscribed from a list one years ago or more. Today has
arrived a mail with this subject: Membership reminder

and this body:

Your password: xxx

Request made by IP 127.0.0.1 at 2005/07/29 16:50:25.305 GMT+2

where xxx is the password I gave during subscription.


Evidently you are subscribed to the list this came from. Someone
requested a password reminder via the web for your subscription and
one was mailed to you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list

2005-07-29 Thread liyas_m m
hi,
i m using mailman on mac os X 10.4. When i saved the created mailing
list, its just dissappear.
How do i solve that?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions

2005-07-29 Thread David Scribner
At 8:33 AM -0500 7/29/05, Dan Phillips wrote:

I first installed Mailman 2.0.13 from source on Jaguar server and 
have updated it to 2.1.6, but recently began using a default Apple 
install on Tiger Server. There's really very little done differently 
that I can see, other than the system unexpectedly changing my 
settings in mm_cfg.py on occasion. The big difference is splitting 
into var and /usr/share directories.

In any case, the Mailman crontab is standard.

David, run sudo crontab -u mailman -l in the Terminal app and look 
for this line:

# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as 
threshhold  delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/senddigests

I ran that and got back:

crontab: no crontab for mailman

So how do I fix that?

I do have the radio button set for sending Daily Digests

Thanks

David Scribner
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Virtual Mailman

2005-07-29 Thread Kenn Martin
--On Friday, July 29, 2005 8:48 AM -0300 Tiago Cruz 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kenn Martin escreveu:

 Better yet, add the following to the MAKE_ARGS section of
 /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf :

   'mail/mailman' = 'MAIL_GID=mailman',

 This will also save you each time you run portupgrade.

 Hi Kenn,

 Thank you to your tip, it's really very important set this variable to
 future upgrade in my system!
 But I can't find this file in my FreeBSD 5.4 STABLE... I need install
 some package?

Yes you do.  The portupgrade package is essential to keeping installed 
ports up-to-date (including dependencies).  Once portupgrade is installed, 
you can check the status of all packages by running:
sudo /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -an

We have a central build server that cvsup's the base and ports weekly (and 
then builds a copy of the base and multiple kernels).  /usr/ports is 
NFS-mounted by everyone so portupgrade looks there when evaluating what 
packages can be upgraded.  The -a switch says to do all packages, the -n 
switch says to just report back and not actually build and install. 
Alternatively you can use the -i switch to be prompted for each package. 
Remember that /usr/ports/distfiles can end up with a lot of tar files over 
time and occasionally needs clean up.  Our weekly build process cleans it 
but prior to that it acts like a cache so installing the same package on 
multiple machines doesn't incur downloading tar files.



Information for sysutils/portupgrade

Comment:
FreeBSD ports/packages administration and management tool suite


Description:
Portupgrade is a tool to upgrade installed packages via ports or
packages.  You can upgrade installed packages without having to
reinstall depending or dependent packages.  It can automatically trace
dependency chains up and down upgrading packages recursively.

This package also includes the following utilities:
portinstall:Helps you install new ports in a handy way.
portcvsweb: Instantly lets you browse change history via CVSweb.
portversion:Replaces pkg_version(1) and helps you upgrade packages
with portupgrade(1). (runs much faster)
portsclean: Cleans ports workdir's, unreferenced distfiles,
old and orphan shared libraries, and stale packages.
portsdb:Creates binary database from the ports INDEX.
ports_glob: Expands ports globs.
pkg_deinstall:  Wraps pkg_delete(1) and provides additional features.
pkg_fetch:  Fetches packages from a remote site.
pkg_glob:   Expands package globs.
pkg_which:  Checks which package a file came from quickly.
pkgdb:  Manages and searches the package database.

Author: Akinori MUSHA [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Mailman-Users] Archive list with date stamp

2005-07-29 Thread Ricciotti Jr.,Anthony R.
I have a group of users that have requested that the archive lists
include the date/time of the email in the list. 

In other words:

[Mailman-Users] wrapper error   Wayne Sitton

Would show up as this:

[Mailman-Users] wrapper error   Wayne Sitton   Thu Apr 4 17:56:59 EST
2024

Is there a patch that I am missing? I thought I saw it in the feature
list, but now cannot find it anywhere.  I am running 2.1.6 as I thought
it was there, and needed the security patches also.

Thanks
Tony Ricciotti
The MITRE Corporation
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[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists and Reply-to issue

2005-07-29 Thread Padraig Houlahan
Greetings:

I have an umbrella list that I can't quite configure exactly
the way I want.

Here is the situation:

List STAFF contains list STUDENTS and list ADMINS

Currently, STUDENTS and ADMINS have aliases set so email for
STAFF is accepted, which is fine.

The problem is that when external email arrives for STAFF
and needs to be moderated, it also needs to be moderated by
STUDENTS and ADMINS. In practice, I have a much more complex
list of lists than this so this is a real nuisance.

I have tried setting the Hide Sender option so the email
appears to be from a local address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), but this
seems to always over-ride any settings in either (or both)
of the Strip reply-to and the Where are replies to list
messages directed? options. This means that while Hide
Sender allows moderated mail posted to STAFF to appear as
being from STAFF, it also means the Reply-To's are directed
to the STAFF list instead of the poster.

So, I want to be able to Hide the Sender, but set the
Reply-To to the poster. However, Hide Sender seems to
prevent this.

Am I doing something wrong or is this a limitation with
MailMan?

Regards,

PH



Padraig Houlahan
IT Manager
Lowell Observatory
Flagstaff, AZ
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[Mailman-Users] web stuff for mailman

2005-07-29 Thread Sean Roe
Hi All,

I think I am on the last issue I have setting this up.  I'll got to the 
website:

http://lists.adoption.com/mailman/admin and it will only show one list 
test_mag.

When I click on it, it goes to:

http://lists.adoption.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/test_mag

which doesn't work.it keeps sticking /cgi-bin/ in front of all the 
links it generates.  I have tried different iterations of mm_cfg.py

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman'

and it still doesn't work.  So how do I fix this?

Thanks,
Sean
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping an Attachment?

2005-07-29 Thread Larry Rosenman


Just to close this out, turning OFF content-filtering (we catch the bad
extensions in the MTA),
Fixed the issue.  Moral of the story: be careful of BLANK content-type
entries
And enabling content-filtering.


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