Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not

[Jason Luck]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The esteemed Mark Sapiro has said:
> > 
> > Jason Luck wrote:
> > 
> > >Thanks for the response, unfortunately my limited knowledge on these 
> > >matters leaves me at a dead end.  Not sure how to change any of these 
> > >items or where to go from here.
> > 
> > 
> > You fix it in your sendmail configuration by telling sendmail to listen
> > for port 25 connects from anywhere. I can't tell you how to do that
> > because I don't know.
> > 
> > Perhaps you can read some sendmail documentation or ask on a sendmail
> > list.
> > 
> I'll chime in with some quick observations (I run sendmail 8.13.8 on
> Solaris 9).  
> 
> The two first places I'd look are:
> 
> 1.  The tcp-ip services file (/etc/inet/services on Solaris) needs a
> line that says:
> smtp 25/tcp  mail
> 
> 2.  There needs to be a sendmail -bd daemon running.  That is the one
> that listens for incoming smtp. 
> 
> I don't see anything specific to port 25 in the .cf files.  
> 
> I would also check any router/firewall between your sendmail client
> machine to make sure that incoming port 25 traffic is not being
> blocked; also any ipfilter setup.  
> 
> Hank
> 

Looks like I have it up and working.  Just received one of my first test
messages all the way through.  I think there were a number of things
wrong, not the least of which was that I had the DaemonPortOptions set for
the loopback and so it was in no way looking for external mail as I
understand it now.  I made the changes listed in some sendmail lists and
although the changes took affect seemingly in the files based on time
stamp changes when I ran netstat I saw no difference in what sendmail was
listening to.  I did all of the restarts on the networking and mailman but
it didn't seem like it was working.

So...I did a full shutdown and restart of the entire system.

And...all is working seemingly.  In fact as I type this message it looks 
like two test messages from earlier today have just hit.

Why is the default in DaemonPortOptions set for 127.0.0.1 as opposed to a 
broader range?  It would seem most folks would want to be able to external 
mail through their box and from what I'm learning would require the 
127.0.0.1 to be changed.  Also by changing this...does one open themselve 
up to security issues?

Mark and Hank, thanks for all of the help!  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not

[vancleef]

The esteemed Mark Sapiro has said:
> 
> Jason Luck wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for the response, unfortunately my limited knowledge on these 
> >matters leaves me at a dead end.  Not sure how to change any of these 
> >items or where to go from here.
> 
> 
> You fix it in your sendmail configuration by telling sendmail to listen
> for port 25 connects from anywhere. I can't tell you how to do that
> because I don't know.
> 
> Perhaps you can read some sendmail documentation or ask on a sendmail
> list.
> 
I'll chime in with some quick observations (I run sendmail 8.13.8 on
Solaris 9).  

The two first places I'd look are:

1.  The tcp-ip services file (/etc/inet/services on Solaris) needs a
line that says:
smtp 25/tcp  mail

2.  There needs to be a sendmail -bd daemon running.  That is the one
that listens for incoming smtp. 

I don't see anything specific to port 25 in the .cf files.  

I would also check any router/firewall between your sendmail client
machine to make sure that incoming port 25 traffic is not being
blocked; also any ipfilter setup.  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:53 AM -0800 2/23/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  Yes. I send spam to your list spoofing [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the sender.
>  You send a reject message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which has my original
>  spam attached. Poor joe receives my spam from you - not a good thing.

Yes, but Mailman will only send one rejection notice per day to a 
given sender, regardless of how many messages were originally 
submitted to Mailman.  So, while Mailman can be used to help Joe Job 
someone, it cannot be used as a Joe Job amplifier.

This is why I say that it's better to Reject as opposed to Discard.

>  The best practice is to filter spam ahead of Mailman so as little spam
>  as possible even gets to Mailman.

Agreed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:47 AM -0800 2/23/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  Discard is better than Reject unless you feel you might receive
>  non-member posts for which it is important to respond in some way,
>  i.e. some legitimate request from a non-member who would assume the
>  request was received in the absence of a negative reply.

Whereas I would turn that around and say that Reject is better than 
Discard, because it's generally better to notify legitimate senders 
that their post was rejected as opposed to simply throwing it away 
silently.

Of course, this method can lend itself to certain other types of 
abuses (e.g., Joe Jobs), although Mailman does work hard to try to 
mitigate those.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Luck wrote:

>Thanks for the response, unfortunately my limited knowledge on these 
>matters leaves me at a dead end.  Not sure how to change any of these 
>items or where to go from here.


You fix it in your sendmail configuration by telling sendmail to listen
for port 25 connects from anywhere. I can't tell you how to do that
because I don't know.

Perhaps you can read some sendmail documentation or ask on a sendmail
list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Jason Luck]

Thanks for the response, unfortunately my limited knowledge on these 
matters leaves me at a dead end.  Not sure how to change any of these 
items or where to go from here.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jason Luck wrote:
> >
> >grep "Port" sendmail.cf
> >
> >O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA
> >#O ClientPortOptions=Family=inet, Address=0.0.0.0
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know sendmail configuration, but it seems you've only told it
> to listen on the local loopback port 127.0.0.1
> 
> 
> >netstat -na |grep ":25 "
> >
> >tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   
> >LISTEN
> 
> 
> And netstat confirms that. You should also see something like
> 
> tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:250.0.0.0:*LISTEN
> 
> You should be able to telnet to port 25 of this host from outside. You
> can't (or at least I can't - I get a refusal to my connect
> negotiation).
> 
> 
> >and in the etc/hosts file
> >
> >IPAddress   Hosts   Alias
> >127.0.0.1   localhost
> >[##.###.##.##]falconfootball.org
> 
> Not relevant. This only directs connects to falconfootball.org
> from this machine to the given IP address. It has no effect on what's
> listening on this machine for connects from the outside.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Luck wrote:
>
>grep "Port" sendmail.cf
>
>O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA
>#O ClientPortOptions=Family=inet, Address=0.0.0.0



I don't know sendmail configuration, but it seems you've only told it
to listen on the local loopback port 127.0.0.1


>netstat -na |grep ":25 "
>
>tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   
>LISTEN


And netstat confirms that. You should also see something like

tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:250.0.0.0:*LISTEN

You should be able to telnet to port 25 of this host from outside. You
can't (or at least I can't - I get a refusal to my connect
negotiation).


>and in the etc/hosts file
>
>IPAddress   Hosts   Alias
>127.0.0.1   localhost
>[##.###.##.##]falconfootball.org

Not relevant. This only directs connects to falconfootball.org
from this machine to the given IP address. It has no effect on what's
listening on this machine for connects from the outside.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Jason Luck]

> That's right. The delay notice below says it was unable to connect to
> an SMTP server at falconfootball.org. Is your MTA at
> falconfootball.org listening for connects on port 25 from the outside?

grep "Port" sendmail.cf

O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA
#O ClientPortOptions=Family=inet, Address=0.0.0.0

netstat -na |grep ":25 "

tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   
LISTEN

and in the etc/hosts file

IPAddress   Hosts   Alias
127.0.0.1   localhost
[##.###.##.##]falconfootball.org


> 
> 
> >Listed below is a message I received from my business email side...
> >
> >The original message was received at Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:34:05 -0500
> >from localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
> >
> >   - Transcript of session follows -
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Deferred: Connection refused by
> >falconfootball.org.
> >Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
> >Will keep trying until message is 5 days old
> 
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Luck wrote:
>
>...but...I'm not able to...
>
>(a) receive any email when posted to a list I'm subscribed to.
>(b) and there is not record in the archives of these messages.
>(c) I've checked the following logs...maillog, smtp, smtp-failure and they 
>are not posting anything.
>
>It seems as though the messages may have left my external email, but never 
>reached my local MTA or mailman?


That's right. The delay notice below says it was unable to connect to
an SMTP server at falconfootball.org. Is your MTA at
falconfootball.org listening for connects on port 25 from the outside?


>Listed below is a message I received from my business email side...
>
>The original message was received at Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:34:05 -0500
>from localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>
>   - Transcript of session follows -
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Deferred: Connection refused by
>falconfootball.org.
>Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
>Will keep trying until message is 5 days old


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Jason Luck]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jason Luck wrote:
> >
> >I didn't know enough to look into the specific log files that gave me the 
> >information until I had started this thread.  6.14 looks helpful.  But I 
> >looked in resolv.conf and have the following:
> >
> >; generated by /sbin/dhclient-script
> >search localdomain
> >nameserver 24.25.5.60
> >nameserver 24.25.5.61
> >
> >...the nameserver info is for my domain...is the search localdomain the 
> >issue?
> 
> 
> I think the issue was the lack of a 'localhost' entry in /etc/hosts.
> When you added that, did anything change? Can you now 'telnet
> localhost 25'?

yes. I can telnet to localhost 25.

> 
> If Mailman still can't send, have the log messages changed in
> smtp-failure?
> 

I just checked my mail and both confirmations, one for the mailman list 
and one for the test list have hit my external business mailbox.  Also, 
the subscription request for the test list has also hit my mailbox.

6.14 has seemingly helped out a bit.  I've changed a few things and to be 
honest am not completely sure at what time things started flowing.

I used python for the first time...and did the following and got the 
following result

>>> import smtplib
 >>> connection = smtplib.SMTP()
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in ?
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/smtplib.py", line 255, in __init__
addr = socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname()) 
 socket.gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
 >>>

I suppose no surprise...I then checked the resolv.conf and that was the 
previous message.

Then I did the following per  6.14...

>>> import socket
 >>> x = socket.gethostname()
 >>> print x
 (response)
 >>> y = socket.gethostbyname(x)
 >>> print y
 (response)
 >>> 

...In my reponses, for x I obtained what I had been locally calling my 
machine, but not what my static IP is known as to the outside world.  When 
I attempted the *y=* line I received no response.  After making the 
appropriate hostname changes the above python routine connected the IP to 
the name of the machine.

Another problem though...it looks like I am...
(a) able to create lists
(b) receive notification emails about the creation of lists
(c) able to subscribe to lists
(d) receive notification about subscribing to a lists

...but...I'm not able to...

(a) receive any email when posted to a list I'm subscribed to.
(b) and there is not record in the archives of these messages.
(c) I've checked the following logs...maillog, smtp, smtp-failure and they 
are not posting anything.

It seems as though the messages may have left my external email, but never 
reached my local MTA or mailman?

Listed below is a message I received from my business email side...

The original message was received at Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:34:05 -0500
from localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]

   - Transcript of session follows -
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Deferred: Connection refused by
falconfootball.org.
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

[ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; [business email]
Arrival-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:34:05 -0500

Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: delayed
Status: 4.4.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; falconfootball.org
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:35:54 -0500

Any ideas...I've looked through all of the titles on the FAQs and don't 
see anything about not receiving emails and also not having anything in 
the log files.  Also, per the initial messages that started this 
discussion, I've run through all of the 3.14 FAQs and all seems to be 
working as best as I can decipher working means by the info in the FAQ.

Thanks.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] list member address change by moderator

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Mark Sapiro sent the message below at 13:59 2/23/2007:
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>Is there a mechanism for a list administrator to change a list member
> >>address without going through the confirmation dialog.
> >
> >You can do it with a withlist script. In fact, I just wrote one. See
> > or
> >.
>
>
>I neglected to say, but there is no way to do this via the web
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Just to add my two cents...

It would be a very desirable feature in the web interface.

The only other option as of now is to unsubscribe the user and then 
re-subscribe him or her via the mass subscription interface. The big 
problem with that approach is that it sets all user settings (digest, 
mail delivery, etc.) to the list defaults.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list member address change by moderator

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Mark Sapiro wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Is there a mechanism for a list administrator to change a list member
>>address without going through the confirmation dialog.
>
>You can do it with a withlist script. In fact, I just wrote one. See
> or
>.


I neglected to say, but there is no way to do this via the web
interface.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] message delivered to list but altered for some

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Rainey wrote:

>
>A message is delivered to all list members, but some members get full 
>message, while some a very abbreviated message with much of message not  
>included.  (There are many links in message but this has not been an 
>issue previously.) I cannot now ascertain how many recipients fall into 
>each category. I assume those who get only part of message may have 
>something in common on their end, but it seems to be a quite significant 
>number and I cannot identify.
>
>Is there anything on my admin or server settings I should be looking for?


It's hard to even guess what's going on without seeing the raw message
as received from the list.

Possibly there is something broken in the MIME structure of the message
either as sent to Mailman or broken by Mailman, but without the raw
message, I can't even guess.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list member address change by moderator

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Is there a mechanism for a list administrator to change a list member
>address without going through the confirmation dialog.

You can do it with a withlist script. In fact, I just wrote one. See
 or
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Starr wrote:

>Thanks so much for the help; I've set it to Reject for the moment. Could
>you expand on why Discard might be better? Are there spam issues with
>the concept of sending a rejection email?


Yes. I send spam to your list spoofing [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the sender.
You send a reject message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which has my original
spam attached. Poor joe receives my spam from you - not a good thing.

Mailman 2.1.10 will have the ability to not include the original
message in the rejection notice which will help, but currently it is
included.

So if the messages are just spam, it is better to discard them.

OTOH, if there might be an occasional legitimate message from say a
member posting from the wrong address or a non-member legitimately
trying to reach the list, and you want to respond to these messages,
then choose reject.

The best practice is to filter spam ahead of Mailman so as little spam
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[Mailman-Users] list member address change by moderator

[vancleef]

Is there a mechanism for a list administrator to change a list member
address without going through the confirmation dialog.

I've got a case where [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants to become
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  While the confirmation goes to newisp.com
and requires the listmember response, I'd prefer to have a "just do it
now" administrator method.  Is there one?

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[Mailman-Users] message delivered to list but altered for some

[Michael Rainey]

A message is delivered to all list members, but some members get full 
message, while some a very abbreviated message with much of message not  
included.  (There are many links in message but this has not been an 
issue previously.) I cannot now ascertain how many recipients fall into 
each category. I assume those who get only part of message may have 
something in common on their end, but it seems to be a quite significant 
number and I cannot identify.

Is there anything on my admin or server settings I should be looking for?

I am sure I read this before in list but cannot find in archives, must 
not be using correct search terms.

Thank you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?

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On 2/23/07, Mike Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just took over administering a list and get a few spam messages to the
> list from non-members. I looked at the available information and
> couldn't figure out how to set the list admin controls to automatically
> reject any message to the list from a non-member. We're a small group
> with a tightly controlled membership so it won't be a problem to just
> blanket reject messages from non-subscribers. Thanks for your help.

Set generic_nonmember_action on Admin -> Privacy Options -> Sender
Filters to 'reject' or 'discard'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?

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Mike Starr wrote:

>I just took over administering a list and get a few spam messages to the
>list from non-members. I looked at the available information and
>couldn't figure out how to set the list admin controls to automatically
>reject any message to the list from a non-member. We're a small group
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>blanket reject messages from non-subscribers. Thanks for your help.


Privacy options...->Sender filters->generic_nonmember_action

Discard is better than Reject unless you feel you might receive
non-member posts for which it is important to respond in some way,
i.e. some legitimate request from a non-member who would assume the
request was received in the absence of a negative reply.

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[Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?

[Mike Starr]

I just took over administering a list and get a few spam messages to the
list from non-members. I looked at the available information and
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reject any message to the list from a non-member. We're a small group
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blanket reject messages from non-subscribers. Thanks for your help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

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Jason Luck wrote:
>
>I didn't know enough to look into the specific log files that gave me the 
>information until I had started this thread.  6.14 looks helpful.  But I 
>looked in resolv.conf and have the following:
>
>; generated by /sbin/dhclient-script
>search localdomain
>nameserver 24.25.5.60
>nameserver 24.25.5.61
>
>...the nameserver info is for my domain...is the search localdomain the 
>issue?


I think the issue was the lack of a 'localhost' entry in /etc/hosts.
When you added that, did anything change? Can you now 'telnet
localhost 25'?

If Mailman still can't send, have the log messages changed in
smtp-failure?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Jason Luck]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jason Luck wrote:
> 
> >Also...I just found a discussion on the mailman archives of...
> >
> >Low level smtp error.
> 
> 
> And I wonder why you didn't find FAQ 6.14 which addresses your problem
> specifically.

I didn't know enough to look into the specific log files that gave me the 
information until I had started this thread.  6.14 looks helpful.  But I 
looked in resolv.conf and have the following:

; generated by /sbin/dhclient-script
search localdomain
nameserver 24.25.5.60
nameserver 24.25.5.61

...the nameserver info is for my domain...is the search localdomain the 
issue?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reaching end-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Baris Basar wrote:

>I'm using xp pro op. Sys. 


Are you running Mailman on this? If so, and if you have anything to add
to
,
let us know.



Jason Luck wrote:
>
>In my set-up...mm_cfg.py is located...
>
>/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py
>/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
>
>...and Defaults.py is located...
>
>/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py


And in general, mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py are located with all the
other Mailman modules in the Mailman/ directory in the Mailman
installation, wherever that is.

And in RedHat FHS Mailman, /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py is a symlink to
usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Luck wrote:

>When I look in my /etc/hosts file...I have no entries.
>
>So I just added...
>
>127.0.0.1  localhost
>
>...and restarted the network.


That should help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Luck wrote:

>Also...I just found a discussion on the mailman archives of...
>
>Low level smtp error.


And I wonder why you didn't find FAQ 6.14 which addresses your problem
specifically.


>telnet localhost 25
>
>...from the mailman box.  I just tried that command from the mailman box 
>and received the following...which I'm guessing is potentially a source of 
>my problem.
>
>localhost/25: Name or service not known


Yes, it is the problem. You can't resolve the name 'localhost'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reachingend-user

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Luck wrote:

>> >SMTPHOST...in mm_cfg.py...no info on
>> > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
>> > MTA = 'Manual'
>> > SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
>> > SMTPPORT = 0   # default from smtplib
>> > SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
>> 
>> 
>> If the above are actually indented, this is bad. They shouldn't be.
>> 
>> Is this from mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py?
>
>Actually the text listed above on SMTP which was in section 4 of 3.14 FAQ 
>is not listed in my mm_cfg.py...not there at all.  Is this a problem?


No. That bit in the FAQ is just a listing of the defaults from
Defaults.py and these should be OK.

 
>> >6) Locks
>> >
>> >Can't find any locks folder under a mailman directory
>> 
>> 
>> It's somewhere? Is there a setting for LOCK_DIR in mm_cfg.py?
>
>There is no setting for LOCK_DIR in the mm_cfg.py.  I perform a locate on 
>either LOCK or LOCK_DIR and the only LOCK I can find deal with items in an 
>selinux area.


LOCK_DIR is not a directory, it is a Python name set in Defaults.py and
possibly overridden in mm_cfg.py. Thus, you won't find it with locate,
but you might find it with grep.

If this is a RedHat FHS compliant installation, you will probably find
them in /var/locks/, but if you check the setting for LOCK_DIR in
Defaults.py (since it isn't in mm_cfg.py) you should find it. See

for more on RedHat FHS.


>Within the Mailman directory there is a LockFile.py, LockFile.pyc and 
>LockFile.pyo


This is the Mailman module that deals with locking and locks. It is not
the locks themselves, but locks aren't your problem anyway.


>Here is what the smtp-failure log is saying...
>
>more smtp-failure
>
>Feb 21 18:30:00 2007 (6645) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not 
>known'), 
>msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

See

and
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reaching end-user

[Jason Luck]

In my set-up...mm_cfg.py is located...

/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

...and Defaults.py is located...

/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Baris Basar wrote:

> Can i ask you something? Where's mm_cfg.py??
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Jason Luck
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:43 PM
> To: Mark Sapiro
> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reaching
> end-user
> 
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> > Jason Luck 
> > >
> > >SMTPHOST...in mm_cfg.py...no info on
> > > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> > > MTA = 'Manual'
> > > SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> > > SMTPPORT = 0   # default from smtplib
> > > SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
> > 
> > 
> > If the above are actually indented, this is bad. They shouldn't be.
> > 
> > Is this from mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py?
> > 
> 
> A bit confused on this...as I mentioned earlier, this was not in the 
> mm_cfg.py file, but in looking through the Defaults.py file I have the 
> following.
> 
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> MTA = 'Manual'
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> SMTPPORT = 0  # default from smtplib
> SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
> 
> I did notice in the Defaults.py file the following comment...
> 
> # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'.  Make sure the
> # host exists and is resolvable (i.e., if it's the default of "localhost" 
> be
> # sure there's a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file!)
> 
> When I look in my /etc/hosts file...I have no entries.
> 
> So I just added...
> 
> 127.0.0.1  localhost
> 
> ...and restarted the network.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reaching end-user

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jason Luck 
> >
> >SMTPHOST...in mm_cfg.py...no info on
> > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> > MTA = 'Manual'
> > SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> > SMTPPORT = 0   # default from smtplib
> > SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
> 
> 
> If the above are actually indented, this is bad. They shouldn't be.
> 
> Is this from mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py?
> 

A bit confused on this...as I mentioned earlier, this was not in the 
mm_cfg.py file, but in looking through the Defaults.py file I have the 
following.

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
MTA = 'Manual'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0  # default from smtplib
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'

I did notice in the Defaults.py file the following comment...

# SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'.  Make sure the
# host exists and is resolvable (i.e., if it's the default of "localhost" 
be
# sure there's a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file!)

When I look in my /etc/hosts file...I have no entries.

So I just added...

127.0.0.1  localhost

...and restarted the network.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reaching end-user

[Jason Luck]

Also...I just found a discussion on the mailman archives of...

Low level smtp error.

I have a different error than this individual had, the error they 
listed was...

>an 16 17:12:32 2007 (9353) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection 
>refused'), msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Jan 16 17:12:32 2007 (9353) Low level smtp error: please run connect() 
>first, msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Jan 16 17:12:32 2007 (9353) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed 
>with code -1: please run connect() first
>Jan 16 17:12:32 2007 (9353) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with 
>code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')

...and folks suggested trying 

telnet localhost 25

...from the mailman box.  I just tried that command from the mailman box 
and received the following...which I'm guessing is potentially a source of 
my problem.

localhost/25: Name or service not known


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation and sent messages not reaching end-user

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> >SMTPHOST...in mm_cfg.py...no info on
> > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> > MTA = 'Manual'
> > SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> > SMTPPORT = 0   # default from smtplib
> > SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
> 
> 
> If the above are actually indented, this is bad. They shouldn't be.
> 
> Is this from mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py?

Actually the text listed above on SMTP which was in section 4 of 3.14 FAQ 
is not listed in my mm_cfg.py...not there at all.  Is this a problem?
 
> >6) Locks
> >
> >Can't find any locks folder under a mailman directory
> 
> 
> It's somewhere? Is there a setting for LOCK_DIR in mm_cfg.py?

There is no setting for LOCK_DIR in the mm_cfg.py.  I perform a locate on 
either LOCK or LOCK_DIR and the only LOCK I can find deal with items in an 
selinux area.

Within the Mailman directory there is a LockFile.py, LockFile.pyc and 
LockFile.pyo
 
> >7) Logs
> >
> >more post
> >
> >Feb 21 18:30:00 2007 (6645) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1492,
> >message-id=, 1 failures
> 
> 
> And most important, what's in the smtp-failure log?

Here is what the smtp-failure log is saying...

more smtp-failure

Feb 21 18:30:00 2007 (6645) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not 
known'), 
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Feb 21 18:30:00 2007 (6645) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with 
code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

Feb 21 18:30:00 2007 (6645) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not 
known'), 
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Feb 21 18:30:00 2007 (6645) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: 
(-2, 'Name or service not known')

Feb 21 18:30:01 2007 (6645) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not 
known'), 
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Feb 21 18:30:01 2007 (6645) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: 
(-2, 'Name or service not known')

Feb 21 18:45:00 2007 (6645) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not 
known'), 
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Feb 21 18:45:00 2007 (6645) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with 
code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

Feb 21 18:45:00 2007 (6645) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not 
known'), 
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This goes on and on and on.

To recap...I've created two lists to-date.  mailman and test.  I have not 
received confirmation emails about starting either list.  Also, I joined 
the list *test* via the web-interface.  I have not as the administrator of 
this list been given a notification to approve my acceptance to the list 
via the admin pending area.  Also, I sent a message via my business email 
to the *test* list and have not received that message and the message is 
not showing up in the mailman provided *test* list archive.

As an aside...and I know this is a bit out-there, and I'm not looking for 
help on this through this group but will bring it up as it may have some 
connection.  I am also unable to view any usage statistics via webalizer 
either remotely or from the localhost.  I've checked all of the normal 
FAQ/info from lists on this and am continually getting the following. 
"Forbidden...You don't have permission to access /usage/ on this server. 
... Apache/2.2.0 (Fedora) Server at www.*.org Port 80"

Now here is why I bring it up...about two years ago when I set both the 
site up and mailman lists I (a) had no problem with viewing the usage 
characteristics and (b) had no problem with confirmation emails (although 
I did have initial issues with remote users getting and receiving emails).  
That system went down due to a blown power supply and I've since been 
attempting to rebuild.  The new installation of Linux is as listed in the 
initial message and it is my understanding that SELINUX sometimes plays 
some tricks behind the scenes from a security perspective...could this be 
the root of both of my issues?  Just a thought to throw out there.
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