Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Wadham wrote:

It is running;

# ps aux |grep -i outgoing
list  2605  0.0  0.0  11520 8 ?SMay16  16:21 
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s



OK, so that's not it.



The url you gave is currently 503..



See .



It's working now. Please go through the items in that FAQ and post any 
further questions or results.


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[Mailman-Users] true virtual hosting

[Dony Tata]

how to make mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the same 
machine from web, i use postfix and mailman 2.1.5 patch true virtual hosting. 
Patch true virtual hosting from 
"https://lethe.koumbit.net/svn/koumbit/trunk/patches/mailman-true-virtual-2.1.5.patch";.
 i got the error " list already exits"
in mm_cfg.py i configure like this
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'xxx..dom.org'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'xxx.dom.org'

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('yyy.dom.org', 'yyy.dom.org')

MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['yyy.dom.org']

in postfix i configure like this
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
html_directory = no
inet_interfaces = all
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, localhost
mydomain = dom.org
myhostname = xxx.dom.org
mynetworks = 172.18.3.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.3.3/README_FILES
recipient_delimiter = +
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.3.3/samples
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman


  
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[Mailman-Users] Error During Attempt to Unsuscribe

[Dylan Jenkinson]

Hi,

I have been trying to unsubscribe some people recently via an webpage of 
my creation. When I want to do the unsubscribe I use the following string:

http://[server]/options/[list]/[email]?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=[password]

This works, but sends out an unsubscribe message which, for my purposes 
is unwanted. So I went on to use the following string to try to 
unsubscribe without the messages:

http://[sever]/admin/[list]/members/remove?adminpw=[password]&unsubscribees=[email]

When I try this by just typing it into the address box in my browser it 
comes up with a page that says "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9", and when 
sent from the webpage, it does nothing.


I'm wondering, can anyone tell me if I'm doing the second unsubscribe 
right, or if I'm wrong, what it is I need to change to make it right? Or 
a way to make sure that no unsubscribe messages go out when I use the 
first method?


Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newlist auto-generate password

[Barry Finkel]

Don Hone wrote:

>When I add a new list via the CLI, I must enter a password and it is sent 
>in the email to the list admin:
>
>   The mailing list `cgilist' has just been created for you.
>   The following is some basic information about your
>   mailing list.
>
>   Your mailing list password is:
>
>X
>
>The new list owner can change the password via the web page if that is 
>easier for them. It would be easier for me to not have to ask for a 
>password from the list admin for every list I create.

When I create a list and the requestor has not provided me a password,
I create one and let the new list owner change it if he/she desires.

And on the same subject Brad Knowles wrote in reply to my previous
reply:

>When you create a list from the WebUI, you have the option of having  
>Mailman generate the password itself, in which case it will get  
>included in the e-mail message that is sent to the listowner.
>
>The CLI interface is not going to auto-generate that e-mail message,  
>so by default it is not going to auto-generate that password either.

I do not create lists via the WebUI, as that will create a list with
default parameters, and then I would have to tailor the parms to
meet the needs of the requestor.  I can't always assume that the
requestor will be able to change the correct parms for his/her needs.
There are a huge number of list parameters, and changing the wrong
parm or using an incorrect value for the correct parm can cause
great damage to the list cofig.

I have 21 base list configs.  Fifteen of these are a 3x5 matrix of lists
based on sub/unsub options (3) and who is allowed to post (5).  The
other six configs are for specialty lists.  When someone requests a 
list he/she tells me what type of list, so I know what base
config file to use.  I then copy that base file, modify

 realname
 info
 description
 archive info (Y/N public/private)
 digestable

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newlist auto-generate password

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--On Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:49 AM -0700 Brad Knowles 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



When you create a list from the WebUI, you have the option of having
Mailman generate the password itself, in which case it will get  included
in the e-mail message that is sent to the listowner.


Yes, that is a really nice feature.



The CLI interface is not going to auto-generate that e-mail message,  so
by default it is not going to auto-generate that password either.


When I add a new list via the CLI, I must enter a password and it is sent 
in the email to the list admin:


The mailing list `cgilist' has just been created for you.
The following is some basic information about your
mailing list.

Your mailing list password is:

 X

The new list owner can change the password via the web page if that is 
easier for them. It would be easier for me to not have to ask for a 
password from the list admin for every list I create.


Don Hone

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New List

[Dragon]

Mélanie Bureau wrote:


Hi ,

We would like to create a new list serve. How can we do this?

Thank you!

 End original message. -

You will need to install mailman.

Start here:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html

You can get the latest version here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

If you have any questions or concerns, please 
check the FAQ to see if your question might be 
answered there before posting to the list.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

[B. van Ouwerkerk]

Pavel Kosina schreef:

I was really looking for this theme but no success.

Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would enabled 
the www discussion interface? So that its possible to read/write 
contributions both with emails and www interface? My admin keeps 
telling me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him.


Thank you

Something like http://fudforum.org/forum/ you mean? It's not a mailman 
extension but it seems it will do most if not all of what you want.






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Re: [Mailman-Users] newlist auto-generate password

[Brad Knowles]

When you create a list from the WebUI, you have the option of having  
Mailman generate the password itself, in which case it will get  
included in the e-mail message that is sent to the listowner.


The CLI interface is not going to auto-generate that e-mail message,  
so by default it is not going to auto-generate that password either.


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On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Finkel) wrote:


Don Hone wrote:

There doesn't seem to be an option to have a system generated  
password
when running bin/newlist from the command line. Is this correct? If  
so,

I would appreciate this be added as an enhancement request.

The ability to create a list from the command line is good since it  
creates

the aliases lines for me.


I do not see why you would want the system to generate a list admin
password when you create the list.  The bin/newlist script wants
you to generate a password.  If Mailman were to generate a random
password, how would it tell you what it was?  You need that password
to do any list administration via the web.  I am not sure that I
would want a random password for a list admin, as it would be hard
to remember.  When I, as Mailman administrator, create a new list
for someone, either the requestor gives me the password, or I choose
a password and let the requestor change it.  I would never be able
to remember a really random password, unless I used it multiple
times each day to do list maintenance.
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[Mailman-Users] New List

[Mélanie Bureau]

 

 

Hi ,

 

We would like to create a new list serve. How can we do this?

 

Thank you!

 

Mélanie

 

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newlist auto-generate password

[Barry Finkel]

Don Hone wrote:

>There doesn't seem to be an option to have a system generated password
>when running bin/newlist from the command line. Is this correct? If so,
>I would appreciate this be added as an enhancement request.
>
>The ability to create a list from the command line is good since it creates 
>the aliases lines for me.

I do not see why you would want the system to generate a list admin
password when you create the list.  The bin/newlist script wants
you to generate a password.  If Mailman were to generate a random
password, how would it tell you what it was?  You need that password
to do any list administration via the web.  I am not sure that I
would want a random password for a list admin, as it would be hard
to remember.  When I, as Mailman administrator, create a new list
for someone, either the requestor gives me the password, or I choose
a password and let the requestor change it.  I would never be able
to remember a really random password, unless I used it multiple
times each day to do list maintenance.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

[Terri Oda]

On 16-Jul-08, at 11:25 AM, Michael Welch wrote:

Dragon wrote at 08:06 AM 7/16/2008:
Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would  
enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to  
read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My  
admin keeps telling me that nothing is like that and I cant  
believe him.
No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a web- 
mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups.
I think this would be a great feature to add, so folks could check  
and post online, without using their ISP's web mail. I run several  
Topica lists, and we have many list members that choose "No Mail"  
and regularly go to the archives to view others' posts, respond, or  
post. For whatever reason, they prefer to not receive emails from  
the list.


Actually, this is on my personal mailman to-do (and has been for  
months) but I've got a couple of other things that I want to get done  
first so it might take a while.


On the bright side, I *did* finish what I wanted to do with the FAQ,  
mostly reorganized what I wanted from the documentation, and the  
website is nearly ready to go, so it's getting closer to the top of  
the list again. :)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

[Savoy, Jim]

 
Brad Knowles wrote:

> Mailing lists are useful for a wide variety of things, but 
> VT-type emergencies are not among them.

Well we definitely know that it isn't the *only* solution (there are
speakers and alarms and sirens and lights and cameras everywhere on
campus). But it is just one more thing we can add to the basket of
helpful security goodies.

> IIRC, just a day or two after that event, the CIO of VT came 
> to this very list to ask for assistance in setting up Mailman 
> for future cases like this, to send out emergency notices to 
> everyone on campus. 

I must have missed that discussion.

> My understanding is that he went away very disheartened...

I think his expectations were unreasonably high. E-Mail has its
caveats, just like everything else. We had lots of meetings here
after the VT (and Dawson College (Montreal)) attacks. I think everyone
in security understood that none of their solutions were 100%
guaranteed,
but they also agreed that a saturation warning (by every means possible)
was better than nothing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newlist auto-generate password

[Timm Stamer]

Hi Don,

I use

newlist --language=$lang $listname $email `pwgen -sB 15 1`

in my scripts to generate passwords. Search for pwgen.


Timm Stamer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
There doesn't seem to be an option to have a system generated password 
when running bin/newlist from the command line. Is this correct? If so, 
I would appreciate this be added as an enhancement request.


The ability to create a list from the command line is good since it 
creates the aliases lines for me.


Don Hone

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[Mailman-Users] newlist auto-generate password

[hone+mailman]

There doesn't seem to be an option to have a system generated password when 
running bin/newlist from the command line. Is this correct? If so, I would 
appreciate this be added as an enhancement request.


The ability to create a list from the command line is good since it creates 
the aliases lines for me.


Don Hone

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working

[Mark Wadham]

It is running;

# ps aux |grep -i outgoing
list  2605  0.0  0.0  11520 8 ?SMay16  16:21 
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s

The url you gave is currently 503..

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From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 July 2008 16:11
To: Mark Wadham
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working

Mark Wadham wrote:
>
> I've got a mailman installation that has apparently stopped working.
> If I post to a list, the post appears in the moderation queue, I then
> approve it and in the 'vette' log it shows the post being accepted,
> but it never gets delivered to any recipients and the MTA apparently
> never got the mail back from mailman.
>
> How can I debug this?


Seems like OutgoingRunner may not be running. See
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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

[Dragon]

Michael Welch wrote:


Dragon wrote at 08:06 AM 7/16/2008:

>>Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would 
enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to 
read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My 
admin keeps telling me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him.

>
>No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a 
web-mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups.


Hi Dragon. Other mail list solutions have the ability to post and 
reply to messages online. The prime example may be the Topica 
discussion lists. They do not offer web mail, but they do offer 
online participation.


I am well aware of that, I just used Yahoo and Google as two 
well-known examples. The point I am making is that no such 
functionality exists in the current product, it is a mailing list 
manager program, and will be until somebody dedicates the time and 
work to implement other features.


I think this would be a great feature to add, so folks could check 
and post online, without using their ISP's web mail. I run several 
Topica lists, and we have many list members that choose "No Mail" 
and regularly go to the archives to view others' posts, respond, or 
post. For whatever reason, they prefer to not receive emails from the list.


Well, the nature of a project such as this is it is developed by 
volunteers in their spare time and the developers work on the pieces 
of the puzzle they are interested in supporting.


This would take a major piece of code to add such a feature and a lot 
more to integrate it into the rest of the project. Unless somebody 
steps up to do it, it's going to remain something that would be "nice to have".


Personally, I have neither the interest nor the time to do it.

Dragon

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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

[Michael Welch]

Dragon wrote at 08:06 AM 7/16/2008:
 
>>Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would enabled the 
>>www discussion interface? So that its possible to read/write contributions 
>>both with emails and www interface? My admin keeps telling me that nothing is 
>>like that and I cant believe him.
>
>No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a web-mail 
>solution like Yahoo or Google groups.

Hi Dragon. Other mail list solutions have the ability to post and reply to 
messages online. The prime example may be the Topica discussion lists. They do 
not offer web mail, but they do offer online participation.

I think this would be a great feature to add, so folks could check and post 
online, without using their ISP's web mail. I run several Topica lists, and we 
have many list members that choose "No Mail" and regularly go to the archives 
to view others' posts, respond, or post. For whatever reason, they prefer to 
not receive emails from the list. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

[Mark Sapiro]

Dragon wrote:

Pavel Kosina wrote:

I was really looking for this theme but no success.

Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would enabled 
the www discussion interface? So that its possible to read/write 
contributions both with emails and www interface? My admin keeps 
telling me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him.

 End original message. -

No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a web-mail 
solution like Yahoo or Google groups.



Actually, it is quite practical to read list mail via the web archive, 
and, at least if ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS is Yes, the author's 
address is a good mailto: link for posting back to the list, but this 
still requires a mail client because as Dragon says, there is no web 
posting interface.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403

[Mark Sapiro]

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

I managed to get this working. It turned out to be what I thought it 
was, Permissions issues. I had to go in and change the permissions back 
bin/check_perms -f didn't do it.



If you would tell us what permissions were required that check_perms
didn't find/fix, we might be able to fix check_perms.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Wadham wrote:


I've got a mailman installation that has apparently stopped working.
If I post to a list, the post appears in the moderation queue, I then
approve it and in the 'vette' log it shows the post being accepted,
but it never gets delivered to any recipients and the MTA apparently
never got the mail back from mailman.

How can I debug this?



Seems like OutgoingRunner may not be running. See 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403

[Dragon]

Tom Ray [Lists] sent the message below at 06:28 7/16/2008:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:


Do posts get archived?
No. Not one of the test emails I've sent to the test list are 
archived. So it's dieing some where between being received and 
sent to the in queue.



Actually, the exim log entry you posted says the mail was delivered 
via the mailman-transport which says it was piped to


  /mail/listdomain.net/mailman/mail/mailman post test

which, assuming that wrapper and the 'post' script are not totally 
broken to the point that they terminate normally without doing 
anything, says that the mail made it to qfiles/in.




See .





Check the various things in the above FAQ article.
I managed to get this working. It turned out to be what I thought it 
was, Permissions issues. I had to go in and change the permissions 
back bin/check_perms -f didn't do it.



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check_perms should work if you run it as root and you do several 
passes until it reports no errors.


If it didn't work, could you let us know what files or directories it 
failed to fix? That way one of the developers could have a look at 
what went wrong and see if it is something that could be fixed.


If you did not run it as root, the user you did run as may not have 
permission to change the ownership and file permissions to what they 
need to be.


Dragon

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Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface

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Pavel Kosina wrote:

I was really looking for this theme but no success.

Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would 
enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to 
read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My 
admin keeps telling me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him.

 End original message. -

No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a 
web-mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:


Do posts get archived?
No. Not one of the test emails I've sent to the test list are 
archived. So it's dieing some where between being received and sent 
to the in queue.



Actually, the exim log entry you posted says the mail was delivered 
via the mailman-transport which says it was piped to


  /mail/listdomain.net/mailman/mail/mailman post test

which, assuming that wrapper and the 'post' script are not totally 
broken to the point that they terminate normally without doing 
anything, says that the mail made it to qfiles/in.




See .






Check the various things in the above FAQ article.

I managed to get this working. It turned out to be what I thought it 
was, Permissions issues. I had to go in and change the permissions back 
bin/check_perms -f didn't do it.



Thanks for the assistance.

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[Mailman-Users] www interface

[Pavel Kosina]

I was really looking for this theme but no success.

Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would enabled 
the www discussion interface? So that its possible to read/write 
contributions both with emails and www interface? My admin keeps telling 
me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him.


Thank you

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade questions - Best method suggestions requested

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On 7/16/08 12:57 AM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 7/15/08, Drew Tenenholz wrote:
> 
>>  1) Are there any significant changes to the FAQ for Apple upgrade I
>>  should know about?
> 
> The Apple-related portion of the documentation has been contributed
> by other members of the community, so if you haven't seen any updates
> there, it is *NOT* safe to assume that the instructions are still
> valid.  You could always try them and report back your experiences,
> and maybe hope that someone will be able to update the documentation
> to reflect that.

As the author of the document referenced in the FAQ on installing Mailman on
client Mac OS X, there are some significant changes for Leopard. I posted an
update on 10/29/07 titled "Mac OS X Leopard upgrade experience" which should
be findable in the archives.

I do have one ongoing problem which is the Mailman startup, when started as
part of system boot, fails about 2/3 of the time with the "stray process"
message mentioned in the note referenced above. My "solution" to it is a
cron job that runs hourly to alert me to missing qrunners (which obviously
is useful for other mailman problems as well) and manually starting it when
necessary. 

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working

[Mark Wadham]

Hi,

I've got a mailman installation that has apparently stopped working.  If I post 
to a list, the post appears in the moderation queue, I then approve it and in 
the 'vette' log it shows the post being accepted, but it never gets delivered 
to any recipients and the MTA apparently never got the mail back from mailman.

How can I debug this?

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