[Mailman-Users] How to send moderator email approval

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Abdul Javid writes:

 > Is there a setting to let list moderators a notification that a
 > pending request is approved/rejected.    If there are 3 email ids
 > in moderators, if one approves, i would like other 2 to know that
 > the email has been taken care.    please advise thanks Javid

Why do you want this?  If you need an audit trail so that you know who
approved each request, or you'd like moderators to get email
notification so they don't visit the moderation page only to find it
was updated 20 seconds ago, as Mark says, Mailman provides no such
feature.

If you're simply worried about conflicting accesses, then a moderator's
decision is effective as soon as the server receives it.  If somebody
else submits a decision after that because they're looking at the same
list of requests at the same time, it will simply be ignored because
the request is not pending any more.  Because of locking, it's not
possible for two moderators to update the same request simultaneously,
so the request queue is not disturbed by simultaneous update attempts.

The two issues I can imagine are (a) moderators might see an warning
that the request they're acting on has already been processed (but
IIRC that doesn't happen), and (b) Moderator A might prefer to
approve, but Moderator B has already rejected (or vice versa).
There's not much you can do about that, though, if you have multiple
moderators.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman with mysql/maildrop

[Mark Sapiro]

Jonathan Nichols wrote:

>Greetings!
>   I must preface this by noting that I have in fact Googled for this  
>but have not found any solutions that work. I have an Ubuntu box  
>(Hardy) and have a mysql/postfix setup as documented in the Flurdy  
>howto found at http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ ... but I also have  
>maildrop in the mix. It seems to work ok, except with mailman. I added  
>mailman last night and now I'm getting the following error when I try  
>to send to list addresses.
>
>status=bounced (user unknown. Command output: ERR: authdaemon:  
>s_connect() failed: Permission denied Invalid user specified. )
>
>Now, I realize what the error is telling me. It's having problems  
>finding the user. I have the users in a mysql db, and the structure  
>looks like the following:
>
>http://www.pbp.net/~jnichols/images/sql_output.png
>
>Should I put something for the mailman addresses in there as well?


No. I don't think so.


>I  
>can do that, since I don't have that many lists.
>If not, is there another way around this? I did try just telling  
>postfix to look at another transport map, but maildrop is still  
>involved and it's looking at the mysql db.


I'm not sure about the maildrop aspect of it, but I *think* you can
just define mailman's aliases as a hash: in alias_maps. See
 or
 for info on
configuring Mailman/Postfix integration.

Mailman's aliases deliver via a pipe to Mailman's mail wrapper which
queues the messages appropriately for Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] migrating to new server

[Mark Sapiro]

- Original Message ---

Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating to new server
   From: Pieter Donche 
   Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:55:51 +0200 (CEST)
 To: mailman-users@python.org

>An old server is to be replaced with a new one. The old server
>(solaris mailman-2.1.7) runs a couple of mailing lists. 
>We will keep the same web address and the same e-mail address on 
>the new server (FreeBSD7 mailman-2.1.11).
>
>In the old server the mailman software ran under a normal user 
>with everything in the home-dir of that user. 
>In the new server it needs to be in /usr/local/mailman 
>(where FreeBSD installs it)
>
>What steps need to be executed to migrate all the mailings lists (archives
>memberslists etc...) from the old to the new server?
>I have unix root access to both machines.
>
>Is there a step by step document ?


There's information in the FAQ. In your case, all you really need to do
is move the contents of Mailman's lists/* and archives/private/*
directories from the old installation to the new. You may not want to
move the 'mailman' list.

See the posts linked at the very beginning of the FAQ at
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] flag moderation doesnt work

[Mark Sapiro]

Infokeep - Mario Sergiowrote:
>
>I have na main list with name (ge...@domain.com). Inside of this list, I
>have other two lists (fina...@domain.com and supp...@domain.com).
>
> 
>
>All lists has the moderation bit disable. But, When I send an email to
>the main list (ge...@domain.com), this emails wait the moderator accept
>the message. When this is accepted by the moderator, this message wait
>the authorization in the other lists (fina...@domain.com and
>supp...@domain.com).
>
> 
>
>I put the geral list as member of the fina...@domain and supp...@domain
>list, because I think that who sends the email is the main list to my
>other lists. And I put the geral list in whitelist of the other two
>lists too. But doesn't work, and I need to authorize the message always.
>
> 
>
>Did I make something wrong? Is this configuration possible?


Yes, it is possible. What you need beyond what you already have depends
on why the messages are being held on the subordinate lists.

If it is "implicit destination", you need to put ge...@domain.com in
Privacy options... -> Recipient filters -> acceptable aliases of the
subordinate lists.

If it is post by non-member, you probably need to make
geral-boun...@domain.com a member of the subordinate lists.

See the FAQ at  for more detail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to send moderator email approval

[Mark Sapiro]

Abdul Javid wrote:
> 
>Is there a setting to let list moderators a notification that a pending 
>request is approved/rejected.
> 
>If there are 3 email ids in moderators, if one approves, i would like other 2 
>to know that the email has been taken care.


I'm sorry.  There is no such notification option within Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange admindb GUI issue.

[Mark Sapiro]

Brendon Lloyd wrote:
>
>I was wondering if anyone has come across this problem:
>
>I recently migrated mailman from version 2.1.7 to 2.1.12, and most of 
>the admindb GUI appears to work, however, when I attempt to accept held 
>messages, nothing happens after I click on "Submit All Data". I just see 
>the same form, with no error message or notice that the message has been 
>accepted.


See the FAQ at . Most of what's in that
FAQ is applicable even though you are not being asked to
reauthenticate.


>I've run the check_perms script and fixed any permissions issues.
>
>I've also used: "./withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u $newdomain" to switch 
>the domain of the old lists to the new one, and I've run "make install" 
>with the older data, lists, and archives files in place, and that 
>appeared to make some changes to the older dirs to be compatible with 
>2.1.12.
>
>I've checked my /usr/local/mailman/logs/error logs and see nothing. I've 
>also checked my apache error logs and my system logs.
>
>In the absence of a quick fix for this problem, can anyone point out a 
>good way to set mailman to a greater level of debugging, so that I can 
>gather more clues as to why this won't work?


Mailman has little in the way of debugging level controls. If you get
to the point where you really need to know more than is available in
existing logs, you need to add aditional logging statements at the
source level.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list

[Rasa Isaacson]

Thank you for the thorough and thoughtful response. I really thought as
much, but wanted to check with the experts--you certainly all seem very
knowledgeable and I appreciate your insights.
Rasa

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 04/05/09 08:07, Rasa Isaacson wrote:
>
>> Our organization wants to set up a mailing list in a very generic fashion.
>>  We would like to list the board members as approved members using the
>> generic emails we have set up:
>>
>
> So you are wanting to use ""positional addresses, not personal addresses
> (with names).  That in and of its self should be fine.
>
>  We have a forwarder set up through our website (hosted by
>> Lunarpages--don't know if that matters) that associates the generic email
>> address to the personal email account for the board member, so if a email
>> sent to presid...@ourwebsite.org is received it's forwarded to the
>> appropriate personal account.
>>
>
> *nod* ... One possible implementation of a typical configuration.
>
>  Is there something analogous in mailman to associate a personal email
>> account with the generic account on incoming posts to the board? Like an
>> alias, but looking at the "From:" field and translating it to the generic
>> account like presid...@ourwebsite.org.
>>
>
> It sounds to me like you are wanting to translate the From: address of
> messages as they pass through the email system in to Mailman.  I.e.
> translate from:
>
>   barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov
>
> To:
>
>   presid...@whitehouse.gov
>
> (For the sake of conversation I'm presuming that this is indeed what you
> are wanting.)
>
> I don't think that Mailman its self has (or should have) the ability to do
> what you are wanting.
>
> That being said I don't see any reason that you could not put a shim /
> wrapper script in between your mail server and Mailman.  I know that it
> would be entirely possible to throw together some Perl code running a
> Regular Expression to translate barack.obama to president.  I.e.
>
>   $From =~ m/^To: barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov/To:
> presid...@whitehouse.gov/i;
>
>  I hope this makes sense. Thanks.
>>
>
> I think I understood what you are wanting to do.  Presuming that I did, the
> short answer is that (to the best of my knowledge) Mailman does not include
> support to do what you want to do and probably should not either.  I think
> you will be much better off doing this out side of Mailman.
>
> Now, if you are just wanting your board members to be able to send with
> either their personal addresses -OR- their positional addresses all you need
> to do is add both addresses to the mailing list (and set one to not receive
> email) as well as authorizing them to send.
>
>
>
> Grant. . . .
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[Mailman-Users] migrating to new server

[Pieter Donche]

An old server is to be replaced with a new one. The old server
(solaris mailman-2.1.7) runs a couple of mailing lists. 
We will keep the same web address and the same e-mail address on 
the new server (FreeBSD7 mailman-2.1.11).


In the old server the mailman software ran under a normal user 
with everything in the home-dir of that user. 
In the new server it needs to be in /usr/local/mailman 
(where FreeBSD installs it)


What steps need to be executed to migrate all the mailings lists (archives
memberslists etc...) from the old to the new server?
I have unix root access to both machines.

Is there a step by step document ?

The B.Warsaw GNU Mailman - Installation Manual lacks a section on
migration ...
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[Mailman-Users] flag moderation doesnt work

[Infokeep - Mario Sergio]

Hi list,

 

I have na main list with name (ge...@domain.com). Inside of this list, I
have other two lists (fina...@domain.com and supp...@domain.com).

 

All lists has the moderation bit disable. But, When I send an email to
the main list (ge...@domain.com), this emails wait the moderator accept
the message. When this is accepted by the moderator, this message wait
the authorization in the other lists (fina...@domain.com and
supp...@domain.com).

 

I put the geral list as member of the fina...@domain and supp...@domain
list, because I think that who sends the email is the main list to my
other lists. And I put the geral list in whitelist of the other two
lists too. But doesn't work, and I need to authorize the message always.

 

Did I make something wrong? Is this configuration possible?

 

Regards.

 

---

MSC

 

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[Mailman-Users] mailman with mysql/maildrop

[Jonathan Nichols]

Greetings!
	I must preface this by noting that I have in fact Googled for this  
but have not found any solutions that work. I have an Ubuntu box  
(Hardy) and have a mysql/postfix setup as documented in the Flurdy  
howto found at http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ ... but I also have  
maildrop in the mix. It seems to work ok, except with mailman. I added  
mailman last night and now I'm getting the following error when I try  
to send to list addresses.


status=bounced (user unknown. Command output: ERR: authdaemon:  
s_connect() failed: Permission denied Invalid user specified. )


Now, I realize what the error is telling me. It's having problems  
finding the user. I have the users in a mysql db, and the structure  
looks like the following:


http://www.pbp.net/~jnichols/images/sql_output.png

Should I put something for the mailman addresses in there as well? I  
can do that, since I don't have that many lists.
If not, is there another way around this? I did try just telling  
postfix to look at another transport map, but maildrop is still  
involved and it's looking at the mysql db.


(otherwise, everything else seems to be working.. it's just this part  
that I'm getting hung up on!)


cheers,
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[Mailman-Users] How to send moderator email approval

[Abdul Javid]

Hi
 
Is there a setting to let list moderators a notification that a pending request 
is approved/rejected.
 
If there are 3 email ids in moderators, if one approves, i would like other 2 
to know that the email has been taken care.
 
please advise
thanks
Javid


  
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[Mailman-Users] how to discard bounced messages?

[Danil Smirnov]

Hello all!

I have more that 40 thousand spam messages bounced on my mailman list.
Can't discard them thru the web interface...

I googled and searched this list archive and found a solution:

cd /usr/lib/mailman/bin
./discard data/heldmsg*

But I've got "Ignoring non-held message: data/heldmsg*"
all the time...

Please help!

Version of the Mailman is 2.8.1...

Danil
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[Mailman-Users] Strange admindb GUI issue.

[Brendon Lloyd]

Hi Folks,

I was wondering if anyone has come across this problem:

I recently migrated mailman from version 2.1.7 to 2.1.12, and most of 
the admindb GUI appears to work, however, when I attempt to accept held 
messages, nothing happens after I click on "Submit All Data". I just see 
the same form, with no error message or notice that the message has been 
accepted.


I've run the check_perms script and fixed any permissions issues.

I've also used: "./withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u $newdomain" to switch 
the domain of the old lists to the new one, and I've run "make install" 
with the older data, lists, and archives files in place, and that 
appeared to make some changes to the older dirs to be compatible with 
2.1.12.


I've checked my /usr/local/mailman/logs/error logs and see nothing. I've 
also checked my apache error logs and my system logs.


In the absence of a quick fix for this problem, can anyone point out a 
good way to set mailman to a greater level of debugging, so that I can 
gather more clues as to why this won't work?


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- Brendon
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Compile on Mac Leopard - config settings?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Mark,

thanks for your suggestions.

Am/On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:18:57 -0700 schrieb/wrote Mark Sapiro:

>Matthias Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>I just subscribed after fiddeling around for a day with mailman on
>>Leopard (Mac OS 10.5.6 Server on a G4 PPC dual).
>
>
>And it's probably a good idea to look at the FAQ and list archives
>before posting :)

I did so, but somehow the most important information found here:

slipped through my attention.
imho it would be a good idea to included that information from above in
the documentation which comes with the download package.

Anyway I found and read the mails from Larry Stone, but there was
nothing in it, I didn't know already.


>
>
>>After looking a bit on mailman, I just decided to download the last
>>version and try to install it.
>>That looked actually good, but the startup daemon plist doesn't like the
>>new mailman meal I just cooked.
>>
>>I was running configure like this:
>>sudo ./configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-username=_mailman --
>>with-groupname=_mailman --with-mail-gid=_mailman --with-cgi-gid=_www --
>>with-cgi-ext=.cgi
>>
>>and with with-mail-gid=_postfix
>>
>>in both cases I get these errors:
>>
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]:   File "/usr/share/
>>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 548, in 
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: main()
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]:   File "/usr/share/
>>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 430, in main
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: kids =
>>start_all_runners()
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]:   File "/usr/share/
>>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 268, in start_all_runners
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: pid =
>>start_runner(qrname, slice, count)
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]:   File "/usr/share/
>>mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 246, in start_runner
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: pid = os.fork()
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: OSError: [Errno 35]
>>Resource temporarily unavailable
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31389]: Starting Mailman's
>>master qrunner.
>>Apr  7 12:03:35 mymac com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl):
>>Throttling respawn: Will start in 8 seconds
>>Apr  7 12:03:44 mymac org.list.mailmanctl[31394]: Starting Mailman's
>>master qrunner.
>>Apr  7 12:03:44 mymac com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl[31394]):
>>Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 31395 PPID 1 Python
>>Apr  7 12:03:44 mymac com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl):
>>Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds
>>
>>so obviously I'm missing something
>
>
>See thae FAQ at  and posts linked
>therefrom which may help.

I was aware that Apple changed those pathes, therefore I changed them in
my configure as well.
But I was not aware, that Apple used its own binary package - they do so
with postfix as well, which I found out the hard way ;-)

The whole interface Apple provides for administrating mailman is not
only minimalistic, but useless if one wants to do a bit more.
Apple's GUI makes simple things more simple, but a bit more complicated
things even more complicated.



>>also what I'm a bit confused, I find 2 data folders:
>>one in the mailman folder: /usr/share/mailman
>>and another one in the var folder: /var/mailman
>>
>>what's the difference?
>
>
>/usr/share/mailman is from your configure and make install. anything
>else is from Apple's pre installed Mailman. As Sebastian suggests,
>there are probably conflicts.

and that was actually my question.
/usr/share/mailman is the place Apple thinks mailman has to go to and I
just wanted to "to rip out everything they've got and install your own
copy from the official Mailman source", so my question was, what else do
I have to set to do so.

I was also asking myself, what the other directory in /var/ does and how
do I set the path for it correctly in the configure. 

On the end I will either keep the version installed by Apple or install
everything in a separate directory, so that I keep control over things.
This exercise I did mainly to understand better, what's going on with
mailman, because I never used it before (but LetterRip in the old days ;-)

cheers,
Matthias

p.s. try a google search on Leopard and mailman ... every list message
about Leopard is going to pop up :-D

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Re: [Mailman-Users] System Utilization (top)

[Edward Ned Harvey]

> Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> 
>> For sometimes long periods of time, it seems, ten or twelve httpd's and
>> python's stay at the top of top, almost totally crippling the system.
>> 
>> Is this normal?  Should I reconfigure something?
> 
> 
> Check your web server logs to see what http requests are being
> processed at this time
> 
> possibly, some list admin is screen scraping the list admin interface
> of multiple lists to build a membership list. It really could be
> anything, but since httpd is involved, the first step is to see what
> it's trying to do.

Got it.  Never in a million years did I think it was actually busy DOING
something processing http requests.

It's the search appliance crawling all the mail archives.

Thanks, ttyl...


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Re: [Mailman-Users] System Utilization (top)

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Ned Harvey wrote:

>For sometimes long periods of time, it seems, ten or twelve httpd's and
>python's stay at the top of top, almost totally crippling the system.
>
>Is this normal?  Should I reconfigure something?


Check your web server logs to see what http requests are being
processed at this time

possibly, some list admin is screen scraping the list admin interface
of multiple lists to build a membership list. It really could be
anything, but since httpd is involved, the first step is to see what
it's trying to do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing reply_goes_to_list

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Ned Harvey wrote:

>Accidentally, I had DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1 when I wanted it to be 0.
>Unfortunately, a whole bunch of lists have already been created with 1 ...
>So before I do the following, I want to run it by here ­ to make sure I¹m
>not going to screw something up.
>
>For that matter, maybe there¹s a simpler way to do this?
>
>Run this as root:
>
>#!/bin/bash
>export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/mailman/bin
>for list in `list_lists -b` ; do
>echo "Converting ${list} ..."
>config_list -o ${list}-config.txt $list
>cat ${list}-config.txt | sed 's/reply_goes_to_list =1/reply_goes_to_list = 
> 0/' > ${list}-config2.txt
>config_list -i ${list}-config2.txt $list
>done


Yes, there is a much simpler way to to this. Not that the above won't
work; it's just not necessary because config_list -i only changes
those things which are in it's input, so all you need is:

#!/bin/bash
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/mailman/bin
file=`mktemp`
echo reply_goes_to_list = 0 > $file
for list in `list_lists -b` ; do
echo "Converting ${list} ..."
config_list -i $file $list
done
rm $file

There is a FAQ on this at .

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[Mailman-Users] System Utilization (top)

[Edward Ned Harvey]

For sometimes long periods of time, it seems, ten or twelve httpd¹s and
python¹s stay at the top of top, almost totally crippling the system.

Is this normal?  Should I reconfigure something?

Thank you...

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[Mailman-Users] Changing reply_goes_to_list

[Edward Ned Harvey]

Accidentally, I had DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1 when I wanted it to be 0.
Unfortunately, a whole bunch of lists have already been created with 1 ...
So before I do the following, I want to run it by here ­ to make sure I¹m
not going to screw something up.

For that matter, maybe there¹s a simpler way to do this?

Run this as root:

#!/bin/bash
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/mailman/bin
for list in `list_lists -b` ; do
echo "Converting ${list} ..."
config_list -o ${list}-config.txt $list
cat ${list}-config.txt | sed Œs/reply_goes_to_list =
1/reply_goes_to_list = 0/¹ > ${list}-config2.txt
config_list -i ${list}-config2.txt $list
done


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[Mailman-Users] System Utilization (top)

[Edward Ned Harvey]

For sometimes long periods of time, it seems, ten or twelve httpd¹s and
python¹s stay at the top of top, almost totally crippling the system.

Is this normal?  Should I reconfigure something?

Thank you...

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[Mailman-Users] Changing reply_goes_to_list

[Edward Ned Harvey]

Accidentally, I had DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1 when I wanted it to be 0.
Unfortunately, a whole bunch of lists have already been created with 1 ...
So before I do the following, I want to run it by here ­ to make sure I¹m
not going to screw something up.

For that matter, maybe there¹s a simpler way to do this?

Run this as root:

#!/bin/bash
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/mailman/bin
for list in `list_lists -b` ; do
echo "Converting ${list} ..."
config_list -o ${list}-config.txt $list
cat ${list}-config.txt | sed Œs/reply_goes_to_list =
1/reply_goes_to_list = 0/¹ > ${list}-config2.txt
config_list -i ${list}-config2.txt $list
done

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[Edward Ned Harvey]

For sometimes long periods of time, it seems, ten or twelve httpd¹s and
python¹s stay at the top of top, almost totally crippling the system.

Is this normal?  Should I reconfigure something?

Thank you...
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