Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to digests
On 2009-12-29 6:53 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Clare Redstone wrote: Thank you again for such a helpful reply. Any solutions getting Resent-To (Bounce?) to work through Outlook? Try the drafts idea. There may actually be a way to directly resend a message from outlook, but I know little about it, and the drafts trick is all I can think of. To do this in Outlook (2003 at least), open the message, then: Tools Actions Resend this message -- Best regards, Charles -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to digests
Thanks again for your help. 1. Test 1. Subject is the actual rogue post. I can use reply or forward, edit the message and address it to the list. I changed options to send in plain text, wrote approved: password at the top of the body and, just below that, changed the line To: testl...@... to Resent-To: testlist@ ... The Approved: password here may or may not be needed. It is only to ensure that the resent message doesn't get held a second time. If you edit out the things that caused it to be held, you don't need the Approved: password. I just checked what was happening again. Even with approved: password at the beginning of the message I forwarded, MM filtered on the taboo word (digest) in the subject. So if I want to edit a message body, I need to edit the subject too. Which isn't a problem as that's one of the things I'd be changing in any case. Approving by replying to the confirm email with approved: password accepts the taboo word. An oddity but not a problem. 2. Thanks for the suggestion to drag the message into drafts. Unfortunately it only opens as an email to be read, not as an email I can edit. :( But.. finally I worked out what to put in Google to find help and discovered Other actions - resend. So, for anyone else wanting to do this in Outlook: - MM is set to notify me of held messages. - double click the attachment called the subject (that has the filtered word digest in it.) - Other actions resend - Edit subject (even with approved:pw in the body, MM won't let digest through the filter) and body. - Send. And the message reaches the list, edited, but with the original sender as from. I'm there! Thanks for your help. Clare -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] Sent: 29 December 2009 23:53 To: Clare Redstone; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to digests Clare Redstone wrote: I might exceptionally see if I can edit and resend messages when I think it's particularly worth it and the sender likely to be flummoxed by being asked to clean and resend. I'm having trouble following the instructions though. I use Outlook 2007 on Windows XP so don't have Mutt. What you can do depends on your MUA. I do the following occasionally (when a quoted digest is held for size). I have admin_immed_notify set to yes, so I receive a notice containing the post as part 2 of 3 message parts. First, I discard the original held message. Then, using Mutt, I open the notice and then the message/rfc822 part containing the post, edit it... In Outlook, I get an email telling me there's a message waiting for authorisation, with 2 attachments: one called by the post subject and the other called confirm 2ff72... long string of numbers/letters. Yes, that's correct. The one with the 'confirm ...' subject can be used to approve or discard the original. If you open that message and reply to it, the original post will be discarded. If you insert Approved: password as the first line of that reply, the original UNEDITED post will ba accepted for the list. Test 1. Subject is the actual rogue post. I can use reply or forward, edit the message and address it to the list. I changed options to send in plain text, wrote approved: password at the top of the body and, just below that, changed the line To: testl...@... to Resent-To: testlist@ ... The Approved: password here may or may not be needed. It is only to ensure that the resent message doesn't get held a second time. If you edit out the things that caused it to be held, you don't need the Approved: password. The message made it through OK, but appears to be from me instead of from the original sender, and has the headers written at the top of the body of the message in the same way any replied to or forwarded email would have (albeit changed to Resent-To.) Yes. That is because you are replying or forwarding. The headers you are editing are copies of the original message headers in the body of your reply/forward. You are effectively creating a new message From: you to the list, and this is not what you want to do. So I've got it working in part and this will do if there isn't a straightforward solution. The approved bit worked and I could edit the message, but how do I make a Resent-To instead of a Forward? The Approved: bit may or may not have been required as I note above. Which is what I think you mean by: and then 'bounce' it to the list. 'Bounce' is Mutt's term for resending the original message to additional recipients. This is not forwarding; it is resending with the original headers. Not all MUAs can do this. Is it possible in Outlook? I don't know. What happens if you drag the attachment containing the original message to your Drafts folder? Do you have such a thing? If so, you might be able to do that, and then edit the draft and send it. I don't know if that would work, but it is worth a try. Another odd thing is that although it's been approved (via email) and
[Mailman-Users] mail server cannot communicate with mailman
Hi all, I am trying for some days now to setup mailman in debian but i am running to the following problem: Although mailman setup seems fine and the mail server (Exim or Postfix) can send mail to any address, mailman and the mail server cannot communicate. Every time i try to post a message to a list, or send a password reminder from mailman etc. the mails never reach their destination, and usually i get an error after some time. As i mention above i tried both Exim and Postfix and ran into the same problem. I have installed mailman from the repositories and as a web server i use apache 2. I would appreciate any suggestions on the problem. Thanks in advance, George -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Admin Question
This is probably a stupid question, but I'm having trouble setting up a new ListServ for a client. I have created a new mail list - and added an admin and moderator. I've created three members (using 3 email accounts of mine). These three user accounts have received the message they been subscribed. The problem is when I send a message to the listserv - the one in the subscribe email, nothing happens. It's not held and yet it doesn't go anywhere. However when someone that's not a member sends a message to that same listserv - those get held in the pending file (waiting for the moderator to accept them. What have I done wrong with the members? Thanks, Chris LeLeux Bitwise Logic, Inc. mailto:chris.lel...@bitwiselogic.com chris.lel...@bitwiselogic.com 952-746-4360 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Setting up redundant mailing lists in OS X Snow Leopard.
Hi, everyone. First I wish to say hello to everyone as I am a new member and this is my first post to the list. I have just purchased a Mac server with Snow Leopard server installed and one of the main reasons for the purchase was my plan to set-up some mailing lists. The following are some questions I have: While setting up Mailman mailing lists under Snow Leopard Server I've run into some questions and thought I would ask here for help. These are the questions: Q1. In Mailman how are mailing list subscribers set-up ? Are subscribers set-up separately or do they have to be set-up as users in Workgroup Manager ? I would prefer to set-up subscribers to the mailing lists separately as they are not members of my workgroup. Is there a configuration pane under Mailman mailing lists for setting up subscribers ? Q2. I am trying to set-up two versions of each mailing list so that one version allows attachments to be forwarded to subscribers along with the posts while the other version blocks the attachments and only forwards the text portion of the post. How can this be set-up in Mailman ? How can I manage attachment rules in Mailman and create this redundant mailing lists ? Where are attachments sent along with posts to the lists saved in OS X (folder address) ? Thank you, Joseph -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail server cannot communicate with mailman
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:18:58PM +0200, George Argyros wrote: I am trying for some days now to setup mailman in debian but i am running to the following problem: Although mailman setup seems fine and the mail server (Exim or Postfix) can send mail to any address, mailman and the mail server cannot communicate. Every time i try to post a message to a list, or send a password reminder from mailman etc. the mails never reach their destination, and usually i get an error after some time. Having that error would be quite useful: http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#lisver is quite useful for Exim. Certainly for Exim, Exim needs some stanzas for Mailman, have you done something along the lines of http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html ? -- ``We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.'' (Booker T. Washington) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to digests
Clare Redstone quoted me and wrote: The Approved: password here may or may not be needed. It is only to ensure that the resent message doesn't get held a second time. If you edit out the things that caused it to be held, you don't need the Approved: password. I just checked what was happening again. Even with approved: password at the beginning of the message I forwarded, MM filtered on the taboo word (digest) in the subject. So if I want to edit a message body, I need to edit the subject too. Which isn't a problem as that's one of the things I'd be changing in any case. Actually, there is a real problem with using an Approved: header/pseudo-header in this context. It won't stop a post from being held by header_filter_rules because SpamDetect comes before Approve in the global handler pipeline, but there is a more serious problem. If a message containing an Approved: header/pseudo-header is held by header_filter_rules and subsequently approved, the Approved: header/pseudo-header is not removed from the message. Approving by replying to the confirm email with approved: password accepts the taboo word. An oddity but not a problem. Well, as I say above, it is a problem if you put an Approved: header/pseudo-header in your edited message, and your edited message gets held by header_filter_rules. In that case, when you approve the edited message, the Approved: header/pseudo-header isn't removed. 2. Thanks for the suggestion to drag the message into drafts. Unfortunately it only opens as an email to be read, not as an email I can edit. :( But.. finally I worked out what to put in Google to find help and discovered Other actions - resend. So, for anyone else wanting to do this in Outlook: - MM is set to notify me of held messages. - double click the attachment called the subject (that has the filtered word digest in it.) - Other actions resend - Edit subject (even with approved:pw in the body, MM won't let digest through the filter) and body. - Send. And the message reaches the list, edited, but with the original sender as from. I'm there! Cool! I'm going to add your findings plus info about the Approved: header to the FAQ. Thanks for reporting back. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail server cannot communicate with mailman
Adam McGreggor wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:18:58PM +0200, George Argyros wrote: I am trying for some days now to setup mailman in debian but i am running to the following problem: Although mailman setup seems fine and the mail server (Exim or Postfix) can send mail to any address, mailman and the mail server cannot communicate. Every time i try to post a message to a list, or send a password reminder from mailman etc. the mails never reach their destination, and usually i get an error after some time. Having that error would be quite useful: http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#lisver is quite useful for Exim. Also, what is in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs and Exim's exim_main.log? Certainly for Exim, Exim needs some stanzas for Mailman, have you done something along the lines of http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html ? While this how-to is important, it is only for delivery to Mailman. It doesn't affect delivery of outbound mail from Mailman. However, that could be the problem here in that posts are not delivered to Mailman. If other messages from Mailman are delivered, e.g. subscription confirmation requests or list welcome messages, then the problem is likely in delivery to Mailman and that how-to is very relevant. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin Question
Chris Leleux wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm having trouble setting up a new ListServ for a client. If you are setting up a ListServ (sic)[1], you've come to the wrong place. This list is for Mailman lists, not ListServ lists. I have created a new mail list - and added an admin and moderator. I've created three members (using 3 email accounts of mine). These three user accounts have received the message they been subscribed. The problem is when I send a message to the listserv - the one in the subscribe email, nothing happens. It's not held and yet it doesn't go anywhere. However when someone that's not a member sends a message to that same listserv - those get held in the pending file (waiting for the moderator to accept them. What's im Mailman's vette log (if you have access)? What hapens to the held posts if you accept them? Probably Content Filtering is discarding the messages, but it is hard to say without more information. [1] I know that use of Listserv(r) as a generic term to refer to an email list or email list management software is ubiquitious, and I'm just pissing in the wind to fight it, but Listserv(r) is a registered trademark[2] owned by the developer of a particular email list management product, and it shouldn't be used generically. My personal interest in this is not to protect the Listserv(r) trademark, but rather to avoid confusing Listserv(r) email list management software with any other email list management software including GNU Mailman of which I am a developer. [2] http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up redundant mailing lists in OS X SnowLeopard.
JRC Groups wrote: While setting up Mailman mailing lists under Snow Leopard Server I've run into some questions and thought I would ask here for help. These are the questions: Q1. In Mailman how are mailing list subscribers set-up ? Are subscribers set-up separately or do they have to be set-up as users in Workgroup Manager ? List members are managed by Mailman as email addresses. They have nothing to do with users on your server. I would prefer to set-up subscribers to the mailing lists separately as they are not members of my workgroup. Is there a configuration pane under Mailman mailing lists for setting up subscribers ? If you ignore Apple's GUI and just use Mailman's web admin interface, you can 'mass subscribe' members. There are also command-line tools for adding members and syncing membership with a flat file. There are others on this list who know more about Apple's OS-X server implementation of Mailman, but I'm not one of them. Q2. I am trying to set-up two versions of each mailing list so that one version allows attachments to be forwarded to subscribers along with the posts while the other version blocks the attachments and only forwards the text portion of the post. How can this be set-up in Mailman ? How can I manage attachment rules in Mailman and create this redundant mailing lists ? Where are attachments sent along with posts to the lists saved in OS X (folder address) ? I'm not sure I understand the question. You can set up two lists with two different names. Use Mailman's Content Filtering to specify what will be accepted and what will be filtered out. If you mean you want posts to be sent to one address and some people to receive attachments and some not, you can use an umbrella list for this (search the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 for umbrella) Where are attachments sent along with posts to the lists saved in OS X (folder address) ? Attachments not removed by content filtering are saved in the list's archives. in a default Mailman install, this would be in sub-directories of /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/. I think in OS-X server, this translates to /var/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/ or /private/var/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/QoA9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail server cannot communicate with mailman
Thank you for your answers. I managed to make the outgoing mail of mailman to work with Exim. Now password reminders, register confirmations etc are sended normally from mailman. However the incoming mails still cannot reach any mailing list, although this time, the mail seems to be accepted by the Exim. Additionally in the Exim mainlog i get the following error entry: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner foofoo foofoo-ow...@** R=system_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router I' ve searched a bit in the internet, and i saw that this is a relatively common error, however i didn't find any solutions. In order to configure exim to work with mailman i followed the instructions in the file /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian. George On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Adam McGreggor wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:18:58PM +0200, George Argyros wrote: I am trying for some days now to setup mailman in debian but i am running to the following problem: Although mailman setup seems fine and the mail server (Exim or Postfix) can send mail to any address, mailman and the mail server cannot communicate. Every time i try to post a message to a list, or send a password reminder from mailman etc. the mails never reach their destination, and usually i get an error after some time. Having that error would be quite useful: http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#lisver is quite useful for Exim. Also, what is in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs and Exim's exim_main.log? Certainly for Exim, Exim needs some stanzas for Mailman, have you done something along the lines of http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html ? While this how-to is important, it is only for delivery to Mailman. It doesn't affect delivery of outbound mail from Mailman. However, that could be the problem here in that posts are not delivered to Mailman. If other messages from Mailman are delivered, e.g. subscription confirmation requests or list welcome messages, then the problem is likely in delivery to Mailman and that how-to is very relevant. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail server cannot communicate with mailman
George Argyros wrote: However the incoming mails still cannot reach any mailing list, although this time, the mail seems to be accepted by the Exim. Additionally in the Exim mainlog i get the following error entry: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner foofoo foofoo-ow...@** R=3Dsystem_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router I' ve searched a bit in the internet, and i saw that this is a relatively common error, however i didn't find any solutions. It appears that you are using aliases to deliver from Exim to Mailman. While you can do this, it is by far preferable to set up Exim to deliver programmatically as described at http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html. In order to configure exim to work with mailman i followed the instructions in the file /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian. I am unfamiliar with that document, but if it discusses setting up a mailman router and transport as in http://exim.org/howto/mailman21.html, then your problem is that your system_aliases router precedes your mailman router and you have mailman aliases installed. If you are deliverian with a mailman router, you should not have any mailman aliases and you should have MTA = None in mm_cfg.py so Mailman doesn't bug you about aliases when you create lists. If you intend to deliver to Mailman using aliases, you need to be sure your system_aliases: router definition includes pipe_transport = address_pipe and an appropriate group= for mailman. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
