Re: [Mailman-Users] How to move a list from 2.1.2

2006-10-30 Thread Anders Norrbring

Brad Knowles skrev:

At 4:05 PM +0100 10/29/06, Anders Norrbring wrote:


 I have a bunch of lists that resides on an old 2.1.2 installation.
 I want to move these to a newer machine with Mailman v2.1.7.


Keep in mind that 2.1.7 has been superceded by 2.1.8 and now 2.1.9. I 
believe that there may be some serious security issues with the older 
code, and would recommend that you upgrade to the current version as 
opposed to 2.1.7.


The upgrade steps should be the same, the only thing that will differ is 
the version of Mailman.




Yeah.. I'll do a RPM build for SUSE on the latest version as soon as I 
can find the time. The thing I was a bit concerned about was the move 
from one machine to the other. Seemed to work fine though..


Except that the e-mail footers still shows the old web page link.. I 
haven't been digging into it yet though.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to move a list from 2.1.2

2006-10-30 Thread Anders Norrbring

Jon Forrest skrev:

Anders Norrbring wrote:

Yeah.. I'll do a RPM build for SUSE on the latest version as soon as I 
can find the time. The thing I was a bit concerned about was the move 
from one machine to the other. Seemed to work fine though..


Maybe I'm old fashioned, but building from source can sometimes
be a good way to go here. It's not very hard, and you learn more
about the package you're building. This can help a lot of something
goes wrong because then you don't see the program as a closed box.
Plus, with complicated programs, when you build them yourself,
you know exactly what options you use, which you can then document
for your group. Once you've done this, then it makes moving
to other machines, and maybe other distributions, easier.

I know this isn't the way some people like to operate, and
I often debate this with people I work with, but this
approach has worked well for me, including my recent
installation of Mailman.

Cordially,



Well Jon,
I do the builds, then I install them.. :)  SUSE doesn't provide 
latest-version packages, therefore I create them myself, and put them 
online for others to use if they want.


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[Mailman-Users] How to move a list from 2.1.2

2006-10-29 Thread Anders Norrbring
I have a bunch of lists that resides on an old 2.1.2 installation.. I 
want to move these to a newer machine with Mailman v2.1.7.

I'd like to move both lists and archives.

On the mailman web site, a script called move_list is mentioned, but 
that script doesn't exist on any of my systems...


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to move a list from 2.1.2

2006-10-29 Thread Anders Norrbring

Thanks Mark,
A very easy to go by description! I was thinking in these lines, but 
wanted to check first.


Again, thanks.
Anders.


Mark Sapiro skrev:

Anders Norrbring wrote:
I have a bunch of lists that resides on an old 2.1.2 installation.. I 
want to move these to a newer machine with Mailman v2.1.7.

I'd like to move both lists and archives.

On the mailman web site, a script called move_list is mentioned, but 
that script doesn't exist on any of my systems...


The move_list script was for Mailman 2.0.x. It is not in Mailman 2.1.x.

The process is fairly straightforward, but it is complicated a bit if
the domain names for web access and/or email are different on the new
machine. There are many discussions of this in the archives of this
list and there is a FAQ at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.004.htp
but it too is out of date.

The basic procedure assuming domain names change is the following:

1) move the lists/listname/ directory and contents for each list.
2) move the archives/private/listname.mbox/ directory and
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file for each list.
3) run fix_url on each list to update its host_name and hidden
web_page_url attributes. fix_url runs under bin/withlist. Run
bin/fix_url.py for instructions.
4) run bin/arch on each list to build the archives with correct links
to the listinfo page.

If domain names don't change, you can skip steps 3 and 4 and add to
step 2 - move the archives/private/listname directory and it's
contents for each list. You don't need to move the archives/public
stuff as it is checked and created/deleted as necessary each time the
list is accessed.

Mailman will automatically update the list data as needed from 2.1.2 to
2.1.7 when the list is accessed.

The above assumes there aren't held messages. If there are, they should
be dealt with on the old machine before the move. Also, if there is
the possibility of incoming posts during the move, it is a good idea
to stop the MTAs to keep things from hitting Mailman during the move.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix on different hosts?

2006-10-06 Thread Anders Norrbring

Mark Sapiro skrev:

Anders Norrbring wrote:
I'm having troubles finding info on this matter.. Probably because 
English isn't my native language, so I guess I just don't get the search 
terms right to get relevant results.


Try the threads starting at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041819.html
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-November/047646.html

Both of the above were found with
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman+fetchmail.


Thanks Mark,
But I don't feel that fetchmail would be the right way for me...

I'm thinking that maybe I can mount the mailman executable directory 
from the webserver as a NFS share, and then run as usual.


Would that work?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix on different hosts?

2006-10-06 Thread Anders Norrbring

Patrick Bogen skrev:

On 10/6/06, Anders Norrbring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Mark,
But I don't feel that fetchmail would be the right way for me...

I'm thinking that maybe I can mount the mailman executable directory
from the webserver as a NFS share, and then run as usual.

Would that work?


While this is theoretically possible ('all' the mailman executables
need is to be able to access the configuration files and access the
qfiles), you're basically just installing mailman on your mail server,
with extra, needless, layers of complexity.

The best way, really, to do this is to either (a) use fetchmail, or
(b) set up your real mail server to forward the appropriate mail
(i.e., the mailman messages) to the MTA on the mailman machine. (a)
will be simpler, maybe (I've never actually done that.) (b) seems like
a 'better' solution, to me.




Hmm.. Forwarding should do it I guess.  The goal I'm aiming for is to 
split off all webserver activity from the mail host..
I guess that's clearly doable, I think the only thing would be to set up 
the Postfix on the webserver to use a subdomain for the lists, otherwise 
everything would loop back to the first SMTP. At least in my theory.. :)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix on different hosts?

2006-10-05 Thread Anders Norrbring

Anders Norrbring skrev:

Eric Howland skrev:

On 8/30/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Anders Norrbring wrote:


Simple question,
would it be possible to run mailman on one host, and the Postfix MTA on
another host?

The reason is that I'm configuring a new in/outgoing server that
eventually should take over the old one, the old should keep the web
server functionality, so I'd like to split things up.

If it can be done, any hints on how?


Using a different host for outgoing mail is simple. Just set SMTPHOST
in mm_cfg.py.

Incoming mail to Mailman is more difficult. This has been discussed
before on this list. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.018.htp
for searching information.


I'm having troubles finding info on this matter.. Probably because 
English isn't my native language, so I guess I just don't get the search 
terms right to get relevant results.


Anyway, more info would be really useful.

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix on different hosts?

2006-08-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
Simple question,
would it be possible to run mailman on one host, and the Postfix MTA on 
another host?

The reason is that I'm configuring a new in/outgoing server that 
eventually should take over the old one, the old should keep the web 
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If it can be done, any hints on how?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix on different hosts?

2006-08-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
Eric Howland skrev:
 On 8/30/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anders Norrbring wrote:

 Simple question,
 would it be possible to run mailman on one host, and the Postfix MTA on
 another host?
 
 The reason is that I'm configuring a new in/outgoing server that
 eventually should take over the old one, the old should keep the web
 server functionality, so I'd like to split things up.
 
 If it can be done, any hints on how?


 Using a different host for outgoing mail is simple. Just set SMTPHOST
 in mm_cfg.py.

 Incoming mail to Mailman is more difficult. This has been discussed
 before on this list. See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.018.htp
 for searching information.

 
 You also need to have
  DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
 But this is likely already set.
 
 In some ways you are using the new machine as a proxy.  I found this
 link to be helpful.
 http://www.muine.org/~hoang/postfix.html
 
 It is however both for an older version of postfix and for Sun. Still
 I thought it laid it out clearly.

Thanks guys!
I'll look at the provided links to see if I get the idea.. ;)  I'll come 
back here otherwise!
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[Mailman-Users] Extra info?

2006-04-23 Thread Anders Norrbring
I have a running mailman 2.1.2 installation where I'm looking to add 
more parameters to the signup.

What I want to do is add one more text input field to the web signup 
form, and to have the content of that field show in both the e-mail sent 
to the admin that notifies that a new user want to sign up, and I want 
it to show in the web page where the admin accepts or denies new signups.

Can someone please point to where I can find info on this?  I'm totally 
new to modifying Python scripts, so reading and guessing in the source 
files isn't really an option...

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Character problems..

2004-08-13 Thread Anders Norrbring
 On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:23:34PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:
  I guess that the problem is in the way Mailman and Apache interprets
 what I
  enter in the welcome_msg text entry box in the Mailman Admin page, after
  all, this is a web page, and hence entered characters are converted
  somewhere to their html complaint sets, i.e. ? turns to auml;
 
  Is there some way to manually change these values? Perhaps via
 config_list
  dump, edit and reload?
 
 You could try using bin/withlist to set the value of the welcome_msg
 string.  As the mailman user:
 
 $ bin/withlist -l mylist
  print m.welcome_msg
 
  m.welcome_msg = '''This is the new welcome text
 ... that will be prepended to the message sent to
 ... new subscribers.'''
  m.Save()
  {ctrl-d}
 
 But I am suspicious that the encoding might be occurring on the
 way out rather than the way in.  Please try.  :-)


I did it the way I described, I dumped the config with config_list -o and
edited the config file.  Every Swedish character in the file was encoded in
a format I haven't seen before. :)  The character ä was coded as \xe4 and
the ö was presented as \xf6.  So I simply swapped the encoded strings for
the Swedish characters in a text editor, reloaded the config with
config_list -i and the outgoing e-mails are correct.

So, the problem should be when the texts are entered in the web page
configuration I think.  Since it works fine when imported from the config
file...

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[Mailman-Users] Character problems..

2004-08-12 Thread Anders Norrbring

I've noticed a small problem... If I enter a Welcome to the list message
in welcome_msg that includes international characters like our Swedish å ä ö
Å Ä Ö then the e-mail sent to list user contains encoded characters like
auml; and aring;

Can this be prevented?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Character problems..

2004-08-12 Thread Anders Norrbring
 At 3:44 PM +0200 2004-08-12, Anders Norrbring wrote:
 
   I've noticed a small problem... If I enter a Welcome to the list
 message
   in welcome_msg that includes international characters like our Swedish
 å ä ö
   Å Ä Ö then the e-mail sent to list user contains encoded characters
 like
   auml; and aring;
 
   Can this be prevented?
 
   Your MUA is probably generating an MIME/HTML-formatted message,
 which is then probably being converted to plain text by Mailman.
 This is related to the MIME formatting issue discussed in
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp.


I don't buy that really..  This is a Mailman generated e-mail, sent out when
a user joins the list in this manner;

1. Sign up on the Mailman list web page.
2. Verify their e-mail address.
3. Moderator validates.
4. Mailman sends a welcome message, and THIS e-mail is the one containing
the erroneous characters.

I guess that the problem is in the way Mailman and Apache interprets what I
enter in the welcome_msg text entry box in the Mailman Admin page, after
all, this is a web page, and hence entered characters are converted
somewhere to their html complaint sets, i.e. ä turns to auml;

Is there some way to manually change these values? Perhaps via config_list
dump, edit and reload?

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[Mailman-Users] Extreme CPU usage..

2004-05-02 Thread Anders Norrbring
I've noticed that at change of month when e-mail should be sent to all list
members (the password reminder) my CPU usage increases dramatically.

Right now I can see that Python consumes 93.4% of the CPU time (checked in
top).  My mailman is v2.1.2 and the list (one and only) has about 180
members.  A wild guess would be that about 5% of these are invalid
addresses.

Anyone with a qualified guess?

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[Mailman-Users] URL / port problems..

2004-03-06 Thread Anders Norrbring

I'm struggling with setting up mailman with a web server running on port 800
instead of 80, so of course I would like to have the correct URL showing up
everywhere..  But it doesn't in the e-mails from the system when f.x. a user
wants to join.

In mm_cfg.py I have these URL related settings:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'the-server.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.the-server.net:800'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.the-server.net:800/mailman/'

In the mails originating from the mailman system I get this URL:

http://www.the-server.net/mailman/confirm/list/6546546sdf6s5a4f

As you can see, port 800 is omitted!

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[Mailman-Users] Different machines?

2004-03-05 Thread Anders Norrbring
I'm thinking about a thing..

Is it possible to split Mailman's functions across machines?  What I want
to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only apache
and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server for
our domain?

A different approach would be to have mailman answer on a different port
than 80 for the web interface and redirect the calls to the second machine,
but it doesn't feel right.


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[Mailman-Users] Different machines?

2004-03-04 Thread Anders Norrbring
I'm thinking about a thing..

Is it possible to split Mailman's functions across machines?  What I want
to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only apache
and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server for
our domain?

A different approach would be to have mailman answer on a different port
than 80 for the web interface and redirect the calls to the second machine,
but it doesn't feel right.


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SV: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?

2004-03-04 Thread Anders Norrbring
 * Anders Norrbring [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040304 11:32]:
 
  Is it possible to split Mailman's functions across machines?  What I
 want
  to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only
 apache
  and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server
 for
  our domain?
 
 Is this for performance reasons?
 
 What we did in my installation is to run mailman on a dedicated machine,
 which in turn hands off all the mail to a pair of servers running nothing
 but MTA's (postfix in my case). Very good performance.


It's both performance and security reasons...  Anyway, you write that your
mailman server hands off all the mail to another machine running postfix,
that's exactly what I want to achieve.

No mail processing whatsoever on the web server (with mailman) and all the
mail processing on the dedicated mail server.  So, kind of gating over all
the mail from mailman (box 1) to the mailserver (box 2).

How do I set it up?  I'm not very experienced with mailman, and I really
don't find any relevant info anywhere. It seems like all docs are written
for running mailman and the postfix service on the same box.

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SV: [Mailman-Users] Different machines?

2004-03-04 Thread Anders Norrbring
 * Anders Norrbring [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040304 11:32]:
 
  Is it possible to split Mailman's functions across machines?  What I
 want
  to accomplish is to run the web-part on the machine that runs only
 apache
  and the mail part on the second machine which acts as the mail server
 for
  our domain?
 
 Is this for performance reasons?
 
 What we did in my installation is to run mailman on a dedicated machine,
 which in turn hands off all the mail to a pair of servers running nothing
 but MTA's (postfix in my case). Very good performance.


So far, I've only found the parameter SMTPHOST, which of course could be
set as any smtp host, but that would only be effective for outgoing mails,
right?

How should I go about to make incoming mails, both list mails and
administrative mails to go from that external mail host into the mailman
system?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I fix the archive download problem?

2003-11-15 Thread Anders Norrbring
-  When I click the link in IExplorer, the .mbox file opens as text in the
-  window instead of initiating a download..
- 
- Right-click that link instead of left-click
- and choose the line beginning from the word Save.

Oh well, I know that, but most of the users don't.  And I also know that
there is a fix for it.

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[Mailman-Users] How do I fix the archive download problem?

2003-11-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
Hiya all!

I know there's something that needs to be added to the apache config to
allow the download of Complete Archives in Mailman.

When I click the link in IExplorer, the .mbox file opens as text in the
window instead of initiating a download..

Can someone please jog my memory here?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what itmeans...

2003-11-02 Thread Anders Norrbring

I looked in the sources catalogs, there are no editarch.* files at all
there, so I guess it's a SuSE thing...

I've got an installation with separated catalogs;
  prefix=/usr/lib/mailman
  var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman

So, to get a clean install, I guess I should just delete the
/usr/lib/mailman catalog and do the compiled install from there, but will I
loose any settings for the lists installed?  Are there any specific
file/catalogs that I need to backup to make a clean install?

Thanks,
Anders.

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I installed 2.1.2 from the SuSE Pro 9.0 distribution, then I updated it with
2.1.3 compiled from source in this case.

In the file prefix/Mailman/Cgi/editarch.py (and also reflected in
editarch.pyc) I have this section:


# Add the listname to the file of archives to be reprocessed
def TagForArchProcessing(mlist):
fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE, 'a')
fp.write(mlist.internal_name() + '\n')
fp.close()


I don't know where it comes from, the SuSE dist, or from the source
compilation, but it's there...

Anders Norrbring


- -Original Message-
- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: den 1 november 2003 15:11
- To: Anders Norrbring
- Cc: Mailman users
- Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what
- itmeans...
- 
- On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 05:52, Anders Norrbring wrote:
-  Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3
- setup?
- 
-  I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon:
- 
- 
-  Traceback (most recent call last):
-File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives, line 126, in ?
-  main()
-File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives, line 86, in main
-  fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE)
-  AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE'
- 
- 
-  Later,
- 
-  Anders Norrbring
- 
- Anders,
- 
- This is looking for a line in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file:
- EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE = something...
- 
- It's not a standard part of Mailman, so you've obviously patched your
- install (or used a version of Mailman modified by somebody else). Take a
- look at the patch notes and see what other settings you may be missing.
- 
- Good luck - Jon Carnes


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[Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what it means...

2003-11-01 Thread Anders Norrbring
Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3 setup?

I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives, line 126, in ?
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives, line 86, in main
fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE'


Later,

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

2003-10-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
Another cron report that I don't know diddely-sqwat what it means..  Can
anybody help?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives, line 126, in ?
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives, line 86, in main
fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE'



Later

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[Mailman-Users] Problems after system update.

2003-10-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
Hiya all!

I just made a system update, and restored the files I had saved,
/usr/lib/mailman/* and all subdirs.  However, there must be something that
was stored elsewhere, because now nobody can log on to the list created...

Is there a way to fix this without a complete list recreation?
Not even I as the admin can log on to the list's admin pages.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...

2003-10-29 Thread Anders Norrbring
Thanks a lot Richard,

That was exectly the problem...  I had a 2.0 installation from the SuSE
distribution that I installed right over with the 2.1.3 from source.

After wiping out the old 2.0 via rpm and re-installation of 2.1.3,
everything works perfectly well!

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-Original Message-
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: den 29 oktober 2003 06:47
To: Anders Norrbring
Cc: Mailman users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...


On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 10:58  pm, Anders Norrbring wrote:

 I get these e-mails all the time from my new 2.1.3 install, can 
 somebody
 please tell me what I missed out on?  I myself don't have a clue..

 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 89, in ?
 from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 26, in ?
 from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
 ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO


You should not be getting these messages from MM 2.1.3 because there 
should be no file $prefix/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py in the MM 2.1.3 
distribution. There was such a file in the MM 2.0.13 distribution.

This suggests that however you MM 2.1.3 was installed files associated 
with an earlier MM 2.0.x were not fully removed.

That the message comes from execution of /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner 
tends to confirm this analysis as no qrunner is executed as a cron job 
in MM 2.1.3. It looks as though the crontab from the MM 2.0.x release 
is still being used and is trying to run the old release's code.

As to why, how was Mailman installed? From source or some packaged 
distribution?


 Later!

 Anders Norrbring

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[Mailman-Users] Annoying messages...

2003-10-28 Thread Anders Norrbring
I get these e-mails all the time from my new 2.1.3 install, can somebody
please tell me what I missed out on?  I myself don't have a clue..

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 89, in ?
from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 26, in ?
from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO


Later!

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[Mailman-Users] Feature request..

2003-09-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
Hiya!

Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request?

Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to different
users depending of their language choice would be great!

F.x. I run a news/info list that both English and Swedish users are hooked
up to, if I write an English-only mail, that should go out to users who
chose English only, and the same for Swedish, and then some feature to make
messages go to both (all) if it's a multi-language message.



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RE: [Mailman-Users] Feature request..

2003-09-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:25:13PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:
  Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request?
 
  Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to
 different
  users depending of their language choice would be great!
 
  F.x. I run a news/info list that both English and Swedish users are
 hooked
  up to, if I write an English-only mail, that should go out to users who
  chose English only, and the same for Swedish, and then some feature to
 make
  messages go to both (all) if it's a multi-language message.
 
 I see this as impossible.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no
 definitive way to tell which language a message is written in.  There is
 a large overlap between words in different languages, and I expect this
 problem to grow over time.
 
 I'd suggest that you run one list for your English users and one for
 your Swedish users.  The sign up instructions shouild be clear which one
 the users should use.  If you sent the confirmation instructions via an
 e-mail in Swedish, I would expect your English users to not reply to
 that e-mail.

Oh well, half of my mail was lost in some way? Perhaps my Outlook Beta.
However, my suggestion was to use either the first line of the mess OR a
keyword in the subject line to define the language.

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[Mailman-Users] Problems with HTML mails..

2003-09-18 Thread Anders Norrbring

Hiya all!
I'm having trouble sending through mail in HTML form (from my MS Outlook).
They always bounces with a message that the file type wasn't explicitly
allowed.

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[Mailman-Users] Problems with HTML mails..

2003-09-18 Thread Anders Norrbring
Something went wrong, not the whole message went out??


Hiya all!
I'm having trouble sending through mail in HTML form (from my MS Outlook).
They always bounces with a message that the file type wasn't explicitly
allowed.

The settings in effect are

filter_content = 1
filter_mime_types = 'application/octet-stream'
pass_mime_types = multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html

convert_html_to_plaintext = 0

And I really want html e-mails to pass, but not attachments that can cause
damage (binaries - hence the octet-stream block).

Please help me out here...

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[Mailman-Users] Problems with password changes.

2003-09-09 Thread Anders Norrbring
Hi, 
I’ve heard from several users on one of my lists that they can’t change
their password via the web interface, only by e-mail…  All of them are using
the Swedish version of the web page, but I really can’t see how that should
make any difference.

Someone out there with an idea?

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[Mailman-Users] Personalized files.

2003-09-05 Thread Anders Norrbring

Hiya!

I know that there's a way to make custom templates, html files etc, per
list, but I can't remember how to do it... And I can't find anything in
docs.

I'd like to have custom webpages and mails depending on what list the user
are on.

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[Mailman-Users] Cron error messages...

2003-09-05 Thread Anders Norrbring

Here's one of the tedious mails my server sends me all the time, can anybody
please tell me where I've done something wrong?

Anders.

-Original Message-
From: Cron Daemon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: den 5 september 2003 00:33
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/python -S
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, line 89, in ?
from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 26, in ?
from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
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[Mailman-Users] Configuration problem...

2003-09-04 Thread Anders Norrbring
Hi everybody,

I hope somebody can help me out with a small problem, when accessing the
'listinfo' page, the admin address line gets wrong, it shows 'Send questions
or comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' where the correct address of
course should be the domain name WITHOUT the leading 'www'.  I can't seem to
find the point to adjust..

My mm_cfg.py looks like this:

def _(s):
 return s
add_language('en',   _('English (USA)'),   'iso-8859-1')
del _
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'the-server.net'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.the-server.net/mailman/'
MAILMAN_OWNER = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language?

2003-08-15 Thread Anders Norrbring

Alright, thanks.. :)

I haven't tried it yet, I'll do it as soon as my server comes up again.
However, that's not as nice as I should prefer..  Isn't there a chance to
have separately defined messages for each list or language?  That would be
really good to always have all messages, mails and web pages in the users
chosen language.  With the solution you propose here, I still need to make
the outgoing e-mail a dual language one.

Later,

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- Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language?
- 
- Hi,
- 
- You can re-define the charset for English language in mm_cfg.py.
- Add following lines will do.
- 
- def _(s):
-  return s
- add_language('en',   _('English (USA)'),   'iso-8859-1')
- del _
- 
- 
- Anders Norrbring wrote:
- 
-  Hiya all!
- 
-  I've found the really nice feature in 2.1 to have custom templates for
- each
-  list and/or language available.
- 
-  But, there's one important (to me, anyway) variable I can't seem to
- find any
-  possibility to customize per language, so if anyone knows how, please
- help!
- 
-  The variable is 'member_moderation_notice'.  Since we run a couple of
- dual
-  language lists it kinda important to set.  We have both English and
- Swedish
-  languages on those lists, and as many of you know, we Scandinavians
- (and
-  others) use extended ASCII in our texts, so if I use any of those, they
- show
-  up correctly when a user have set his/her language to Swedish, but if
- the
-  language option is set to English, then it's a mess in the mail sent
- out as
-  moderation/reject e-mail.
- 
-  Due to the fact that I haven't found any customization function for
- that
-  specific parameter, I have to include both Swedish and English
- explanatory
-  text in the response e-mail, and it really sucks when a user gets a
- mail
-  full of  aring; and alikes just because I can't set one string per
-  language.
- 
-  Please point out to me how it can be done!
- 
-  Thank you!
- 
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[Mailman-Users] I was thinking.doc

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
 

I was thinking... Could it be possible to edit the file
'/etc/sysconfig/mailman' put in another parameter to get it reflected into
the resulting mm_cfg.py when I change it in YaST2 and then run SuSEconfig ?

 

Or are all parameters in the /etc/sysconfig files hardcoded?  If it's
possible, and anyone know how to manage it, can you please tell me how to
put in a line for OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION ?

 

Thanks!

 

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[Mailman-Users] roster verification error

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring

Hello!
When I'm trying to access the user listing via the listinfo page, I enter
the creator's (admin's) name and password, still it won't let me in?  Should
there be special access configs for that one?  Mailman is v2.1.1

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RE: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.1 and Archive download problem

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
I have the precis same problem, seems like the URL is not converted right,
in my IE6 it comes up with: 

mhtml:http://www.the-server.net/pipermail/fetishclub_info.mbox/fetishclub_in
fo.mbox

Which of course is totally wrong..

Anders Norrbring


- We are using version 2.1.1 and when someone clicks on the download the
- full
- raw archive on the archives page, the archive is not downloaded under
- IE.
- It downloads okay using Netscape or Opera.
- 
- I've tried downloading this list's archives and it works fine.  Therefore
- I'm thinking this is either a configuration problem or an upgrade
- problem.
- Has anyone experienced this?  Got a fix?
- 
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[Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language?

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring

Hiya all!

I've found the really nice feature in 2.1 to have custom templates for each
list and/or language available.

But, there's one important (to me, anyway) variable I can't seem to find any
possibility to customize per language, so if anyone knows how, please help!

The variable is 'member_moderation_notice'.  Since we run a couple of dual
language lists it kinda important to set.  We have both English and Swedish
languages on those lists, and as many of you know, we Scandinavians (and
others) use extended ASCII in our texts, so if I use any of those, they show
up correctly when a user have set his/her language to Swedish, but if the
language option is set to English, then it's a mess in the mail sent out as
moderation/reject e-mail.

Due to the fact that I haven't found any customization function for that
specific parameter, I have to include both Swedish and English explanatory
text in the response e-mail, and it really sucks when a user gets a mail
full of  aring; and alikes just because I can't set one string per
language.

Please point out to me how it can be done!

Thank you! 

Anders Norrbring
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[Mailman-Users] Access problem..

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
Here's one of the mails I get every 5 minutes from my server:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 274, in ?
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 249, in main
lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,
line 238, in lock
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,
line 415, in __write
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.6176.0'

And when I look in '/var/mailman/locks' that dir is empty!
Also, in '/var/tmp' there's only one entry, a subdir named 'vi.recover'

There's something wrong, but I don't know where to start looking.  It's
installed on a SuSE system based on United Linux 1.0 and the mailman package
is a SuSE distributed one.

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[Mailman-Users] Trouble in getting incoming mail right...

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring

Hello out there!

I'm absolutely fresh to mailman, and of course I'm in deep trouble..  I have
the SuSE distributed v2.1.1 installed on SuSE SLOS8, based on United Linux
1.0.

The mail system on the server is Postfix, Cyrus-IMAP and Cyrus-SASL and the
back end is LDAP.

All is well when using only the web interface, and all mails are sent out
from the system just as it should.  But, no incoming mail are routed to
mailman, so nothing sent to it gets where it should go.  I guess the problem
is Cyrus in some way, but I don't know how I should be able to fix it.  I
can't find any documentation on this, so please help me out!

Thank you!

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[Mailman-Users] Whoooi... :)

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring

So many obstacles.. But now I'm up and running!

But.. Now to another thing, if I want a list to be 'read-only', that is so
users can't post, just receive mail from the list?  Only admin and
moderators should be able to post to it.  (It an info list).  How do I set
that up?  It doesn't seem to be all logical to me and I can't find it in the
doc files I have.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Access problem..

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
Well, my preference when it comes to my 'big production' server based on
SuSE's SLOX on top of United Linux 1.0 is to never compile by myself but
always trust the distributions.  However, this particular installation is on
a beta server and I guess I'll have to go compile..  And file a bug in the
tracker.. :)


Anders Norrbring
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- My personal preferences are to install Mailman from source. It really
- is very straightforward and the number of support request to the list
- related to screwed up pre-packaged installs for various Linux flavours
- is quite high.
- 
- The other advantage is that adding enhancement patches (such as htdig
- list search intergration), bug fix patches and future upgrades is so
- much easier with a source install. No  waiting for the Linux
- distribution Mailman packager to screw up the upgrade or enhancement
- for you.
- 
- If you are just starting and haven't got an investment in real use/data
- then switch to the MM source installation before it is too late.
- 
- I do not know what version of Python you have installed. Python 2.2.3
- would be good. I've not seen final confirmation about using Python 2.3
- with MM 2.1.2


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Whoooi... :)

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring

Thanks! Finally I found it.. :)

Anders Norrbring


- Take a look at the FAQ. There is one written about just how to setup an
- announce only list.  Basically you go to the membership section of the
- Web-admin and set all the users Modify bit to on, then you go to
- selected users (like your admins) and turn their modify bit off - or
- leave them all on and force the admins to approve any and all messages
- (so that the messages can't be spoofed by someone).
- 
- Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
- 
- HtH - Jon Carnes


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Access problem..

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
Richard,

You were absolutely right.  There was an error in the uid/gid mappings.  But
I believe that's out of the way now since now I get other errors. *sigh*  It
never ends!  Maybe I'd kill the .rpm install and do one from scratch
instead.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 40, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 36, in ?
from Mailman import Utils
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 45, in ?
from Mailman import Crypt
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py, line 19, in ?
if mm_cfg.USE_CRYPT:
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'USE_CRYPT'


And then in next mess I get: 

/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests'

And:

/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news'



Anders Norrbring
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- Then I guess you will have to check what uid/gid has write permissions
- over the /var/lib/mailman/locks/ directory and compare this for
- compatibilty  with the uid that the Mailman crontab has been installed
- under.
- 
- I would expect then both to be the 'mailman' uid (as decided by the
- installer when Mailman was configured) but plainly they cannot be
- compatible or you would not have a permissions failure when the cron
- job is (presumably) trying to create a lock file in the directory.


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Access problem..

2003-08-14 Thread Anders Norrbring
Richard,
Thanks.. :)  A -f fixed quite some errors, but still I get this in e-mail
from the server:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 274, in ?
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 249, in main
lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,
line 238, in lock
  File /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,
line 415, in __write
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.20898.0'


Still there's no directory in /var/tmp 

Anders Norrbring


- -Original Message-
- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: den 13 augusti 2003 12:44
- To: Anders Norrbring
- Cc: Mailman users
- Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Access problem..
- 
- 
- On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 10:13  am, Anders Norrbring wrote:
- 
-  Here's one of the mails I get every 5 minutes from my server:
- 
-  Traceback (most recent call last):
-File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 274, in ?
-  main()
-File /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 249, in main
-  lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
-File
-  /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,
-  line 238, in lock
-File
-  /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,
-  line 415, in __write
-  IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
-  '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.6176.0'
- 
- 
- You could try running Mailman's check_perms program. Looks from the
- paths in the traceback above as though it could be in
- /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms. Run it with the -h option to get it
- to print its usage.
- 
-  And when I look in '/var/mailman/locks' that dir is empty!
-  Also, in '/var/tmp' there's only one entry, a subdir named 'vi.recover'
- 
-  There's something wrong, but I don't know where to start looking.  It's
-  installed on a SuSE system based on United Linux 1.0 and the mailman
-  package
-  is a SuSE distributed one.
- 
-  Anders Norrbring
-  Norrbring Consulting


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