Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not creating archives
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:47:56 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:
> I know your OP said there's nothing in the logs, but have you
> specifically looked at Mailman's 'error' and 'qrunner' logs.
Ok... this is embarrassing... There are permission errors there...
As I said... PEBCAK :-(
I suppose it should work now
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not creating archives
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:00:15 -0800
Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:
> Have you set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX in mm_cfg.py (or changed it in Defaults.py)
> or possibly set PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER.
No, the settings are the default as they come with the distro.
>From my Defaults.py:
# Are archives on or off by default?
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = On
# Are archives public or private by default?
# 0=public, 1=private
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 0
# ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX
#-1 - do not do any archiving
# 0 - do not archive to mbox, use builtin mailman html archiving only
# 1 - do not use builtin mailman html archiving, archive to mbox only
# 2 - archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving.
# See the settings below for PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
# PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER which can be used to replace mailman's
# builtin html archiving with an external archiver. The flat mail
# mbox file can be useful for searching, and is another way to
# interface external archivers, etc.
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2
# 0 - yearly
# 1 - monthly
# 2 - quarterly
# 3 - weekly
# 4 - daily
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 1
None of these are overwritten in mm_cfg.py.
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[Mailman-Users] mailman not creating archives
Hi, I have here a mailman installation on debian/stable. Everything works fine, beside mailman not creating archives, for none of the mailinglists. I am pretty sure it's just a form of PEBCAK and I forgot to set a flag somewhere, but I cannot find it. The mailinglist config looks as follows: ## Archive options # # List traffic archival policies. # Archive messages? # # legal values are: #0 = "No" #1 = "Yes" archive = True # Is archive file source for public or private archival? # # legal values are: #0 = "public" #1 = "private" archive_private = 0 # How often should a new archive volume be started? # # legal values are: #0 = "Yearly" #1 = "Monthly" #2 = "Quarterly" #3 = "Weekly" #4 = "Daily" archive_volume_frequency = 1 There is nothing in the logs and I checked that the permissions of the directories are as they should be (comparing to an other installation, also on debian/stable, where it works). I kind of run out of places to check. So, I would appreciate any hint as to where to look. Thanks in advance. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Giving away the secrets of 99.3% email delivery
On Wed, 9 May 2012 16:01:57 -0400 David d...@fiteyes.com wrote: It seems to me that Mailman provides at least some of the intelligence (via logs) that 37Signals custom developed on top of Postfix. Am I right? The core suggestions seem to be universalL SPF records, DKIM signing, reverse DNS entries, etc.. (And, btw, I don't yet know how to implement any of those things except SPF records.) Not any more than others have done years ago. Getting to 99.9% delivery for a mailinglist is not difficult. Unless you use it to manage your newsletter distribution. The trick is: Do not force people onto your mailinglist. Make it a list were most people are tech-savy (helps a lot to keep problems down and if there are any, you get usefull reports) and make sure nobody is using yahoo. Oh and weed out dead addresses early... For any mailinglist that runs more than a couple of weeks, you'll have somewhere between 0.1% and 1% dead addresses per month. The rest is really just configuring your MTA correctly and keeping an eye on it. Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you don't say anything until you've saved up a whole truckload of damned heavy brick arguments and then you dump them all out and never look at the bleeding body mangled beneath the heap -- Tirin, The Dispossessed, U. Le Guin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam to list-owner
Moin, On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:03:55 -0600 Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org wrote: Generally speaking, one of the best things you can do to lighten your burden is to have a good anti-spam system incorporated into your MTA, so that you block that ~95% of e-mail that is actually spam from ever being accepted by your machine in the first place. If it's never accepted by the MTA, then it can't get through to Mailman, and then passed on to you. IMHO mailman should allow to filter all mailman related adresses seperately, w/o requiring any changes in the MTA settings. This is because, if you have normal users on a certain domain, who do not want the MTA messing with their mail, no matter whether it's spam or not, you cannot filter the mails at that level anymore. Currently, i only know about a straight forward way to filter mailinglist mails, but none for the -owner, -bounces, etc adresses. Speaking as one of the members of the python.org postmaster team, and as the primary active listowner for all the official mailman-* mailing lists hosted on python.org, I can tell you that another really useful thing is to bring in more people to help you do your work. This is not always possible and IMHO also not desirable. Things that can be automated should be automated as much as possible. And spam handling should be pretty easy to automate up to a certain degree. Speaking as the postmaster of mplayerhq.hu and being the ex-listowner of all mailinglists on that domain, i can tell you, that having enough people helping with administrative tasks can become a problem if the domain you're dealing with has a few high subscriber count, high traffic mailinglists. Actually, i must say that mailman doesn't scale very well with the size of the mailinglist in terms of administrative burden. The time needed for administrative tasks increases overproportionally with the number of subscribers. While it took me maybe half an hour to an hour per month to handle all mailinglist on mplayerhq.hu in 2002 (which i did alone), it took me several hours per week to handle everything in 2005, although the burden was splitt to three people. In the end, it took so much time, that i had to give up on being listowner completely, to be able to do anything else beside it. Attila Kinali -- If you want to walk fast, walk alone. If you want to walk far, walk together. -- African proverb -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] want to slow down the post of server
Merhaba Burcu, On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:35:10 +0300 Burcu İnci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have a list about 36000 member in same domain.when i want to post an email and approve it there is not any problem in mailman server and gateways. but when it start to delivered to my sendmail server,my server load incresase so much and it stop to work properly. what can i do for this problem,i think about to slow down mailman's post, will it work? What is exactly your problem? I.e. what causes the load? Is it CPU load, I/O load or something different? I'm running a few larger mailman lists myself (though not with 36'000 subscribers) and never had any problems. My machine is mostly idle. So the question would be: What kind of machine do you have for sendmail? (CPU, RAM, Disks) Why do you use sendmail? In my experience, postfix performs better in high load situations than sendmail and its easier to tweak so that certain traffic patterns do not cause any problems. Selamlarla Attila Kinali -- The true CS students do not need to know how to program. They learn how to abstract the process of programming to the point of making programmers obsolete. -- Jabber in #holo -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Complaining Outlook users
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:30:06 +0100 Andrew Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is: Do many listadmins get similar questions, and is there any merit for requesting that Mailman uses the list address only in the Sender header? Not questions, but tons of missdirected mails. We usualy resolve to teach people to use the right mail adress instead of adding hacks for their special case. It also gives the benefit of those users to learn to interpret mail adresses and to be able to judge whether the adress might be the correct one or not. And yes, i know it's a tedious task, but leaving people dump and trying to solve the issue with techonology is only a band aid over a bigger problem. Attila Kinali -- The true CS students do not need to know how to program. They learn how to abstract the process of programming to the point of making programmers obsolete. -- Jabber in #holo -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] total site subscribers
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:46:33 -0700 Con Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I do this myself. Does anyone have a script to list all subscribers to a mailman site? How about `find_members .*` ? Alternatively a combination of list_members and list_lists should also work. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] word bounces in from address
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:20:41 -0400 Nick L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there is a workaround to remove the word 'bounces in the from heading. When you have hosting with some companies that use virtual hosting plans, you cannot hack the file necessary to remove this, is there another way to do the following? The way it is: Email comes in from the list and shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of member... The way it would be nice if it was: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the from, or even with the on behalf of, just not the word bounces in the address. If i understand you correctly, you want the envelope-from to be the same as the list adress? This wont work as the envelope-from has to be different so that mailman can distinguish bounces from regular mails. Also this should never be a problem as the only place where people see the envelope-from is in the headers and unless you have a broken mail client (outlook comes to mind), you'll never see this field. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:05:28 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you getting the deferral based on customer complaints? If so, do you think they're lying about that, or something? (I'm not claiming that you or any of your clients are spamming, and I don't really care whether Yahoo customers are on average dumber than a fencepost; the question is about Yahoo procedures.) Yes, i'm sure that these user complaints are not true. The sever has only about two dozen mailinglists on it. The few users that are on the machine dont use it for mail. Not to mention that all mailinglist use some heavy spam filtering that catches over 99% of it. Never the less, i asked yahoo about these user complaints but this question simply got ignored. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:52:29 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attila Kinali writes: It's just yahoo that behaves like a black sheep in this game. But that's simply not true. AOL has a deservedly bad reputation, as does Hotmail. I've had problems with a number of universities, as well (deserved, in a sense, but it was damn hard to get off the ban list once we got on). Sure, i'm not saying that there aren't any other black sheep. But yahoo is the only one i have problems with. Aol and even hotmail work fine. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:48:38 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attila Kinali writes: This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a blanket policy. It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones. Any greylisting that is half way sanely implemented should know after the second mail that the server is a legitimate sender. Well, maybe. That is harder than it sounds to scale, though. The problem is that Yahoo has a lot of MXes, each handling hundreds of thousands or millions of messages per day, and they're going to need to propagate the greylist database to all of them somehow. It's a solvable problem, but nontrivial. It's still not graylisting. For one thing, i get the follwoing error message: --- Feb 19 06:51:52 natsuki postfix/smtp[5564]: 205153B3B3: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com [209.191.88.239] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 213.144.138.186 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html --- The refused to talk to me makes it clear that my server didn't even get a greeting, but above error message instead. So, yahoo doesn't even know who the sender or recipient is. Ie, the whole thing is IP based. For another thing, we send so many mails out, per day, that the probability that we hit a server with the same envelope from/to twice in a day is nearly 1. If you're using exim -qff, you also may be running into a problem of hammering on their MXes too frequently; many greylisting algorithms don't like that. And it isn't nice for all the other mail servers. There is a reason why MTAs usualy implement an exponential back off if mail cannot be delivered. So, no, i'm not doing that and never will. BTW, do you think they're lying about the user complaints? Yes. See my other mail about that. I'd rather say [Yahoo] have no clue at all. The problem that Yahoo faces is that not only is their hardware distributed, so is their wetware. It's a lot easier for one person to handle a few clues about the easy problems that one person can handle than for an organization to deal with many clues about the much harder problems of scaling to Yahoo size. I know it's not easy. I see what kind of problems i have with only one domain. But yahoo could at least talk to me in a proper way so that we could find a solution together. Domain keys are per-message cryptographic signatures, too. And as for 200K mails per day, is that 200K *posts* per day, or more like 2000 posts per day going to 100 recipients each, or even better yet, 200 posts/day going to 1000 recipients each? And which would you rather do: save a few CPU cycles, or reliably get your mail through? Maybe the usual variants on PGP are too expensive, but something weaker will do until the spammers catch on, by which time you can hope that everybody has enough CPU, and so on. It's 1-400 mails/day on mailinglists ranging between 10 and 1500 subscribers. And be carefull with such callculations. A lot of things do not scale as good as we might think. The server in question has one year average load of 0.40, with about 40-50% of the CPU usage being spend on mailman (yes, mailman, not spamassasin or anything else). And it's not a small machine either. I know that the conventional wisdom that signing mail is very expensive is well-justified, but on the other hand you have to remember that there's a difference between very and too expensive. Too expensive for us. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600 Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 216.104.33.122 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.56.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts02.html Same here, although i get a TS01 instead of a TS02. And 10'000 a day of those. All of my outgoing email uses the same server located at 216.104.33.122 and any single email that I send to any Yahoo address using any client is received just fine. As far as i can tell, they only do it for certain IPs and only certain MX have that problem (although i didn't check which ones they are and whether it changes over time). So, finally all mails will arrive somewhen. My Mailman list is very small with 20 members and only 3 Yahoo addresses and the user complaint thing is bogus. This is a golf list for crying out loud.all of the members want to know what their tee times are for Saturday! All of Yahoo addresses have the same issue, even my own which I added to the list for testing. And I said majority, because 1 in 15 or so messages will miraculously come through. Just wait a bit. If you set up your MTA correctly, it will choose a random MX and hit one that accepts your mails. Does anyone else have any experience with this, and is there something that I can do on my end that would help? Pester yahoo. Although i doubt that this will help much. I'm now in contact with them for over two weeks. The first respond i got from them was a standard mail that i should contact my mail admin (ie they haven't even read what i wrote). After repeating the same thing 4 or 5 times, because they asked for the same stuff (domain name, server ip, log file) over and over again i threatened them to unsubsribe all subscribers from yahoo (a total of about 600 of them) and tell everyone to choose a different freemailer. Since then, they appologize in every mail, but nothing changed so far. Now over two weeks after my initial contact, i consider really unsubscribing all yahoo users and put a news entry on our webpage with the explenation if the situation doesn't change by this weekend. I'm quite sure that this will catch their attention... even if it's too late. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:48:17 -0500 Brian Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think the best option is to get our mailman list subscribers to start using another e-mail provider. I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate e-mail communications and the way they have wasted a large number of ISPs' time by the process that they make us go through to try to get white listed with them or to even be placed upon their feedback loop. In fact I haven't come across one ISP yet who has had their servers successfully white listed with yahoo. ISP? What ISP? I manage only the mail server of an OSS project, nothing fancy (although we produce as many mails as a small ISP). And all that in my free time too. Yahoo is definitly not worth the time i invested sofar to resolve this issue. And yes, no other free mailer made that much trouble. Even GMX which is known to be a pain is quite responsive if they see it comes from a fellow admin. Well, we'll see what happens. I'm quite sure you'll hear about it if i ban yahoo. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:57:22 -0600 Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag). Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personalization is turned off. If I understand correctly, personalization might overcome the Yahoo problem but might cause a problem with my host if my list was a large one. That may be an easier fight. Yes, it might overcome this problem, but you'll get another, even worse one: maintenance problems. Every setting you have in your MTA needs to be checked over updates and might cause undesired effects in case something, somewhere (even a remote host) changes. Thus i will not add any special setting for yahoo or any other freemailer/ISP/whatever If yahoo wants to receive mails from my server (and i'm sure they want because their users subscribed to my lists), then they have to play nice like everyone else too. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
今晩は On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:11:04 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attila Kinali writes: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600 Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 216.104.33.122 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.56.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts02.html Same here, although i get a TS01 instead of a TS02. And 10'000 a day of those. This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a blanket policy. It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones. Any greylisting that is half way sanely implemented should know after the second mail that the server is a legitimate sender. I don't know what they actually use to base their decission on, but what ever it is, it's not one of the standard ways. A look at http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/postmaster-15.html I've read that already and i comply with all but the Can-spam thingy (no idea what that is) and the Domain-Keys (too lazy to set them up). Heck, even all HTML is removed from the mails going over the lists. suggests that Yahoo doesn't have a clue about discussion lists. They seem to think that all mailing lists are announcement lists (of course that's apparently the OP's case). Consider this list: I'd rather say they have no clue at all. From a mail i got from them, after i send them 6 times in a row the logs they requested as attachment _and_ said that i'm attaching it in the mail itself: --- From: Yahoo! Mail abuse-admin(AT)cc.yahoo-inc.com [...] Unfortunately, your message was sent to us as an attachment or html document. Due to security purposes, our custom messaging system is unable to access attachments or webpages and we will need you to cut and paste plain text information, as opposed to html format or sending it as an attachment. We apologize for the inconvenience. --- I really wonder if anyone is reading the mails at yahoo or whether they just use a bot that sends back an canned answer based on some key words. Otherwise someone would have noticed that the logs i mentioned as being attached are missing. Oh yes, since i send the log inline, i haven't heard back at all. If you're in a hosted environment, you might think about asking your host to implement domain keys and/or PGP-signing your mail. (Mailman is (was?) not friendly to domain keys of non-owner posters, but in the case of an announcement list having the host sign the post should work fine.) I don't know whether i should do domain keys. Sofar it was never a problem that we got tagged as spamers, it might be worth it if more ISPs start to filter based on these. PGP is definitly not an option. We send out way over 100k mails per day over mailinglists (at some days it reaches even 200k mails/d). Signing all of them on the server would produce too much load. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:30:38 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Carpenter writes: [ IIRC it was Attila Kinali who wrote: ] If yahoo wants to receive mails from my server (and i'm sure they want because their users subscribed to my lists), then they have to play nice like everyone else too. I like your attitude! You're welcome to like the attitude, but it's really just the flip side of Yahoo's. The problem is spam, not Yahoo, and Yahoo serves a clientele that in general cares more about spam getting through when they don't want it than ham not getting through when they do want it. You are right, the key problem is Spam. But the way yahoo behaves is like the DDR (Problem: People are running away, Solution: errect a wall and shot everyone who tries to get over it), it might seem to be working for the higher ups, but if you really look at what you are doing, you have to reallize that you are just making it worse. Actualy, i'm not angry at them, because they try to get a solution to the spam problem, but rather that they are also hitting legitimate users and refuse to talk about possible solutions. I care about the users of the mailinglists i manage. If i see that anyone has a problem that might be on my side, i try to contact them to figure out how to solve it. It was a lot of work in the first months, but the result now is that our mail setup works very well and that even strange and broken setups on the receiving side have little or no effects. I also made the observation, that if i, as a mail server admin, contact an ISP about problems that might be on their side, that they are very responsive and helpfull in finding a solution. It's just yahoo that behaves like a black sheep in this game. Attila Kinali -- Praised are the Fountains of Shelieth, the silver harp of the waters, But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst! -- Deed of Morred -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] working on an insanely huge moderation request list
Moin, I recently took the administration of an mailinglist over. It was quite a shock to find out that it had over 8000(!) mails waiting in its moderation queue. The problem with this is of course that the webinterface times out before giving anything back and returns a 500 server internal error from the webserver. I've read about discard and that i can just delete everything in the queue. But i'd rather like to go trough the list and be able to aprove some of the held mails. Is there any way i can work on the queue? Another possibility would be if i could extract the mails into an mbox/maildir and handle them in a mail client. The mailman version in question is 2.1.5 Thanks in advance Attila Kinali -- 心をこめて聞け心をこめて話せ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
