Re: [Mailman-Users] A script for changing subscriber/owner email domains
On 6/28/07, Ben Ostrowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know any other way to do this, so I wrote a script. Hope it's not politically incorrect around here to have used Perl. ;) It's probably more correctly done with a withlist script (which would by python), for what it's worth. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] backup lists
On 6/21/07, Alexandros Fragkiadakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry if this question has been asked before. How can i backup my lists and their configuration options? Searching the FAQ for 'backup' reveals FAQ 4.18 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.018.htp, 4.18. How do I backup my lists and their configurations/membership rosters? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for contractor for Mailman maintenance/support
On 6/13/07, Don Barraclough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first we thought it was a host issue but now we are fairly certain it is a software maintenance thing. Our larger list of 3,100 addresses were deleted and then recreated and it worked perfect for a day or two. Another issue we had not too long ago was when we would approve the send the emails were sent 6 to 8 hours later. This sounds like a rate-limiting situation. You might check with your Mailman host to see if they limit in any way the number of messages that can be sent per minute, hour, day, etc. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Newbie Question
Forgot reply-to-all. Sorry for duplicates. -- Forwarded message -- From: Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 7, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question To: Marcy Setter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/7/07, Marcy Setter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with a non-profit and looking at replacements for Lyris List manager. Does Mailman offer a web interface option to read messages as well as individual emails? For reading, yes. You can review the archives, and (with a bit more work) incorporate a search function into them. Note that there is no mechanism for SENDING mail to the list using a website (you'd have to use something else, such as a web-based email solution, like Horde or Squirrelmail.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum template size?
On 5/24/07, Carter Braxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: broken template: /var/lib/mailman/templates/en/invite.txt int argument required Doesn't look like a size limitation. Can you send your new template to the list so we can look at it? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing lists fail
On 5/24/07, Aaron Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are currently are running mailman on a Redhat box called listserv. This box sits in the DMZ. We also have our mail servers which are sitting inside the DMZ which pass traffic to our sendmail relay box to get to listserv. Our mail is current mail setup looks like this: This may or may not have any bearing on the problem, but: What version of mailman are you running? (snip) I have replaced the hostnames and ip addresses with xx for security reasons. The mail successfully makes it from the user through the relay and then to the listserv. But when it comes bash through, it get the errors. Did your configuration ever work? If so, has anything changed? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] how can i use your site
On 5/21/07, felix trip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello is this python for sending mail or for what please update me i need a site to send multiple mail to my customers This mailing list (and the associated websites) are to support people using a particular software package (Mailman), which is used to maintain email lists. We do not offer any services; in particular, you cannot use this list or its associated websites to send mail to an arbitrary group of people. Simply put: this is not a site to send multiple mail to your customers. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with anonymous list
On 5/16/07, Instituto de Ingenieria Área de Sistemas Unix/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I configured an anonymous list, it works well but hotmail classifies all the messages from the list as spam. There is no problem when i set anonymous lisy option to no Contact Hotmail and find out why they're classifying your list as spam, and see if you can get on some kind of whitelist. A good starting point might be Hotmail's 'postmaster' site http://postmaster.msn.com/. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] detecting administrivia requests in bounces
On 5/17/07, James Dinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, my users like to send emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess maybe because that is what is in the From: address on emails they recieve. Anyway, they will be emails with a single request in them like help or subscribe but they dome to me because the bounce filter couldn't filter them out. Is there anyway to have these checked for Administrivia? No way without modifying the code, I think. It looks like you'd have to modify maybe_forward in BounceRunner to send it along to CommandRunner instead of just forwarding it to the admin. Of course, if it's a genuinely unrecognized bounce, this would result in the sender getting a bounce BACK for the unknown command, which is bad. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a list for invitation-only subscriptions?
On 5/17/07, Carter Braxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I configure an existing mailing list to be invitation-only? (That is, disabling the ability for the general public to sign up via the web or email interfaces unless an invitation is received first.) I must be missing something as I'm sure this is a very common requirement, but have not seen anything obvious in the list's options, mailman docs, or google searches. Thanks for help with this! Set 'advertised' to 'No' and 'subscribe_policy' to at least 'Require approval,' if not 'Confirm and approve.' Then, send invitations from Member Management Mass Subscribe. (set 'Subscribe these users now or invite them?' to 'invite') (Is there a better way to do any part of this?) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Too many moderator requests
Forgot to 'Reply To All'. -- Forwarded message -- From: Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 17, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many moderator requests To: Paul Kleeberg MD Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5/17/07, Paul Kleeberg MD Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a moderator who has not dealt with moderator requests for so long that the web page to manage them times out when it attempts to load. We wish do delete all the pending messages. How do I proceed? See FAQ 4.74 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.074.htp -- - Patrick Bogen -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] how can i simulate mailman pages
On 5/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, how can i simulate mailman pages? i want to build my own page to add or remove members without any admin-confirmation. Why can't you just set subscribe_policy to 'Confirm' and then duplicate the form fields on the general page for the list? i tested it, but it does not work and i don't know why. The problem is probably that the /admin/* pages require the list or site admin password to be in a cookie, and normal users aren't going to have that. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping signatures from list messages
On 5/17/07, Rodti MacLeary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way for members of a discussion list to ask Mailman to 'ignore' the rest of their post, similar to the 'end' command when sending an email to the listname-request address? For example a member may have a large footer signature automatically appended to their message when it leaves their mail server, so adding an 'ignore' signal to the end of their message would stop the signature below from being sent to the entire list. Mailman has no built-in way of doing this. It seems like this would be difficult to implement if folks are using HTML mail; for plaintext mail, it'd probably be fairly trivial to modify the code to do this. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Build Archives after moving to new server
On 4/10/07, Shadow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lists (I inherited this job). Before the move, I had our old ISP tar the old server root so I think that I have the old MailMan files but now don't have a clue to how can I build the archive from these files (I don't have access to the server root but can send the necessary info and/or files to the customer support for our ISP). Can someone point me in the right direction as to what must be done? FAQ 3.3 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.003.htp includes instructions on how to locate the archives for a list. FAQ 5.1 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq05.001.htp tells you how to add an old archive to a new list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Size Limits of Files?
On 4/5/07, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 3:24 PM -0400 4/4/07, Justin Denick wrote: I had a user complain that she could not send mail, reply, or check Sent Mail. She would click on Sent and after awhile it would just download a file called right_main.php. I'm pretty sure that Mailman doesn't use PHP -- It's Python, instead. So, whatever is going on here, I don't think it has anything to do with Mailman per se. Indeed, 'right_main.php' reminds me of squirrelmail, which, IIRC, is PHP. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
On 4/2/07, Con Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l [EMAIL PROTECTED]: constance.frei^M [EMAIL PROTECTED] found in: sscm-l '^M' is the control character for a carriage return. With bash, doing: ~$ foo ' ' will let you type a literal carriage return. This is : (1) Type your command (2) Type a single quote ( ' ) (3) Type anything before the line break (4) Press enter, as if you were going to execute the command (5) Bash gives you the ' ' prompt; type anything after the line break (6) Type the closing single quote ( ' ) (7) Press enter, or type in more arguments. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for a Mailman contractor
On 3/28/07, Barry Finkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you know the schedule when the web-based file will change, then you can implement something like this. You could even run such a cron every five minutes, if you do not know when the list might be updated. I have other lists that are built on-the-fly at any time, and the list administrator wants to use them as soon as they are created in AFS. For these, an every-five-minute cron is not good, as I cannot prevent the list being used before it is updated. I currently have no solution for getting these lists from AFS to the local Mailman machine, as I do not know when any list will be updated. And I have not figured out how to have the list creator (a live person or a script) send some sort of signal to a root process on the Mailman machine to download the updated list file from AFS. Note that I have tested the script on my test Mailman machine, but I have not yet converted any of these lists from Majordomo to Mailman. Maybe I missed something, but it seems like the best solution for your later case would be to use MySQL storage of membership, and have your web application write to said MySQL database? - Patrick Bogen -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any suggestions as to where I should start looking? If you have shell-level access to the server at mydomain.com (by the way, please see RFC 2606 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt, about what domain names to use for examples. :), you should start by first checking your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim) logs (generally something like /var/log/mail*) to see if the message you send is being received. If the mail is getting to the server, next check to see if the mail is getting to Mailman. This should be in your MTA logs, as well as in Mailman's logs (post?). -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, AOL and server names
To reiterate what Brad said, please see FAQ 3.42. It specifically talks about this issue. On 3/22/07, Dennis Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The percentage of our mail that AOL rejects is just huge - around 90% - I was hoping that maybe someone could see something that we were doing wrong. It'd be nice to get the rejection rate down. Dennis Brad Knowles wrote: See also FAQ 3.42. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Broken mailman
On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's getting through to the server - this from the exim log 2007-03-22 14:44:34 1HUOWo-0006sQ-9Z = |/usr/local/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner announce [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases_all_local_domains T=alias_pipe This isn't *quite* right. This is some notification or other that's intended for the owner of the announce list. Is there a similar log entry that references either [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oddly, I seem to be getting mail addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but nothing else I don't see that indicated from this single log entry, but maybe there are others you didn't include. That's okay. At first guess, I'd suppose there's something wrong getting the email to your server, which is somewhat out of the scope of this mailing list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members
On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list and to using Mailman. I am stepping in temporarily in caring for the list I'm working with, and I have been asked to un-ban a member. I don't know the reasons behind this banning, but since I have been asked to undo it and subscribe them, I've been trying to find information on this. I have not been successful in the FAQs or in the archives. This all depends on how the member was 'banned'. Basically, you need to visit the list's admin page (something like http://www.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/somelist), and check: (1) Membership Management...: If the user is in this list, make sure the 'mod' checkbox isn't marked (2) Privacy Options... Sender Filters: Make the the user's email isn't listed in hold_these_nonmembers, reject_these_nonmembers, or discard_these_nonmembers. (3) Privacy Options... Spam filters: Make sure there isn't a pattern in header_filter_rules or bounce_matching_headers that would match a message sent by the user. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members
First off, please keep all replies on list, so that other folk can give their input. Check Mailman's 'vette' log to see why her posts are being held. On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked everything you said... I found her email, but it is listed under Sender Filters in List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. She is not listed in the subscribers at all, and the list still won't accept her. Any further suggestions? Thank you! -- Blessings, Toni -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] changing banned list members
On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I find the 'vette' log? To get to the vette log, you need shell access to the server. Where the log is actually located on the filesystem is dependent upon your Distribution and how mailman was installed. One way to find it is to run: 'locate vette,' or 'find / | grep -i vette' -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] listname-request who command
On 3/21/07, Jennifer Oxelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue is I can send the 'who' email command with the admin password from /*any*/ email address (not even subscribed) and get the roster... is this right? Wouldn't it be better if the 'who' command only worked for email addresses corresponding to list admins/moderators when the list roster is configured to be only available to these privileged users? (Or am I being overly paranoid?) Checking the email address would only add a sense of security, not any real security. Email addresses are *easily* forged. Trivially forged, even. So, this might actually even be a bad thing, since it will give a false sense of security while actually adding none. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting Problems
On 3/5/07, Jeremy Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to be having an issue though. I cannot seem to post to the list no matter what I do! I set myself as administrator and then restricted posts to the list to admins. When I send an e-mail to the list it bounces even though I am sending from the address listed as admin! Can you check Maimlan's 'vette' log and tell us exactly what it says for one of the rejected posts? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-reject non-member messages?
On 2/23/07, Mike Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just took over administering a list and get a few spam messages to the list from non-members. I looked at the available information and couldn't figure out how to set the list admin controls to automatically reject any message to the list from a non-member. We're a small group with a tightly controlled membership so it won't be a problem to just blanket reject messages from non-subscribers. Thanks for your help. Set generic_nonmember_action on Admin - Privacy Options - Sender Filters to 'reject' or 'discard'. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Your message was rejected?!?
On 2/22/07, kalin mintchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the email address the email is coming from is in the field: List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. i just get: Your message was rejected. that's all. no explanation... there is nothing in the logs. just rejected - that's it... There should be something in the 'vette' log indicating why the message was rejected. Some things to consider: 1) Are the logs you're looking at in the right place? 2) Is the rejection happening at the mailman level, or does your MTA have some sort of spam prevention? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix virtual domain problem
On 2/21/07, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes I have read the other threads and the setup procedure in the manual
and tried other suggested setups too. I see the list archives show up
yet no mail ever gets delivered. It always gets stopped on delivery.
In /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure I see:
delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1:(111, Connection Refused)
This seems to indicate that mailman can't talk to the SMTP server that
it's supposed to used to send mail. What is the setting of
DELIVERY_MODULE? ('SMTPDirect' on my system). How about SMTPHOST? If
you haven't overwritten these in mm_cfg.py, the defaults of SMTPDirect
and '0' should be set, which means to use the default from Smtplib.
I believe this is going to be 'localhost'; if this isn't right for
your system, you need to set these things in mm_cfg.py.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists
As far as I know, there's no 'one click' tool to move lists around, nor is there anything that will rewrite archives to change the old domain (that said, a simple sed script could do this, but possibly not reliably). See FAQ 3.4 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.004.htp On 2/21/07, Steven Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Quick Q, We have an organisation wanting to use our mailman server, but they want their own domain. Since mailman does not easily do multiple domains, in the short term they will accept using our domain but later want to extract their lists and run them under their own domain on their own mailman server. So, how easy would it be to extract all the setup info and move it to the new server and convert it to a new list name and a new domain at a later date? Does this involve hacking by hand or would it be easy to automate? Is there already such a tool? Could the archived items be cleansed of the old domain and the new domain be substituted? (this is probably a secondary requirement)... Unless this is easy my preference is to let them wait until they get a new server but they want something now. regards Steven Jones Senior Linux/Unix/San System Administrator APG -Technology Integration Team Victoria University of Wellington -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pdbogen%40gmail.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Your message was rejected?!?
On 2/22/07, Baris Basar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have posted an e-mail to a newly created list. And i want to look at list
archieves. And i get this message. No messages have been posted to this
list yet, so the archives are currently empty. And i wanna ask , what is
MTA?
The MTA is the piece of software responsible for actually delivering
mail (whether that's delivery to local accounts, forwarding it on to
mailman, or giving it to the MTA at another server). Postfix,
Sendmail, qmail, exim, etc.
Are you the person ('kalin mintchev') that posted the start of this thread?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman user account and login
On 2/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mailman installation manual seems to imply that the mailman account should be added with no ability to log in to it. I translated what appeared to me to be the sense of the line given to Solaris. As with most daemon accounts.. However, after having gone through several fire drills of resetting file owner from root to mailman, I've set the account up with the directory /usr/local/mailman and NP in the /etc/shadow file. This allows me to su - mailman from root, but not to get a login from anywhere else. This is the same setup as is used for other Solaris blind accounts. I don't see any reason that this would cause alarm. For caveat, see below... Is there any real reason not to use the account this way? I'm aware that Mailman security is based on group identity, not user, but external programs such as htdig running under cron need to have uid mailman in files it writes to or to be set up as a mailman-uid program. My personal preference is to set the needed uid's in the mailman runtime tree. The main concern with this type of setup is that someone might be able to exploit a vulnerability in mailman or htdig or whatever to obtain a login shell for the users they run as. If that login shell is /bin/false, well, they can just do whatever they want (i.e., nothing at all) with that. If it's bash, well- that's another story altogether. Please note: The mailman user shouldn't *need* a valid shell for programs to be running with its privileges. If there's not a reason you need to login (either via su or something else), you're probably better off giving mailman an invalid shell. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Challenge/response
On 2/8/07, Bob Morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a client who is concerned about his list subscriber addresses being spoofed. In other words someone who knows the addresses of people on the list can set up a mail server and spoof the subscriber so he can post nasty things to the list. He would like to set up a challenge/response mechanism so that when [EMAIL PROTECTED] posts to the list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets sent a copy of the message and must confirm that he/she was the sender before it gets posted. I don¹t see any configuration in Mailman for this. Is it possible? So far as I know, this isn't possible in Mailman. You'd have to modify the code.. If you think you're up to it, other folk should be able to give you some pointers as to the best way to do this. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated postings return error on reason_notice()
On 2/8/07, M. Onur ERGiN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, I have Mailman 2.1.7 and Python 2.5. Now, should I change the version of Python or Mailman? or, is there anything else better that you could suggest? Upgrading to the newest Mailman is always a good choice. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] separate mailman and web servers
On 1/31/07, Peter Matulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain to me how mailman and the web server can exist on separate machines? I am new to mailman and I'm having a hard time understanding how mailman communicates with its web server. I have a new client that connects to an external web server to add list members but mailman (and postfix) runs on a local system. I believe this would have to work with Mailman acting upon and reading from files that are stored in such a way that the external web server can access them. This means: (a) The files are stored on the Mailman server, and the web server accesses them through something like NFS. (b) The files are stored on the web server, and the mailman server accesses them through something like NFS. (c) The files are stored in a third server, and both the web server and the mailman server access them through something like NFS. Any pointers on how postfix fits into this communication are also appreciated. The online docs at list.org for Site Administrators do not explain much. Postfix is used for receiving mail (which is then shunted to Mailman for processing, as appropriate), and for delivering mail (which is generated by Mailman, and sent by postfix to list recipients.) Imagine an arrangements with people: Mailman is responsible for accepting pieces of paper (emails) and photocopying them. Postfix brings Mailman the papers initially, and carries the photocopies away. What my client appears to have is a simple diffusion setup. They use it as a means to send info to multiple people. So members do not contribute. This is fairly standard, and referred to as an 'announce-only' list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions regarding Archiving
On 2/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) According to Mailman´s Documentation e-Mails are not archived if they have
an
X-Archive: No-Header. Can this function be disabled ? What if we want to
archive all
Mails, regardless of the value of X-Archive ?
About line 35 of Handlers/ToArchive.py, we find:
if msg.has_key('x-no-archive') or msg.get('x-archive', '').lower() == 'no':
return
Commenting out these two lines will get what you want.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists
On 1/29/07, G. Armour Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, where do I dig up the membership list, and how do I deal with all the old URLs? FAQ 3.4 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.004.htp should help with this. Let us know if you still have issues. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot
On 1/29/07, Ki Song [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. How do I add mailmanctl as a program that will run on boot? I don't want to have to run mailmanctl every time I reboot the server. This is strictly a Fedora question, not a Mailman question. You'd be best served addressing it to a Fedora mailing list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists nested in other lists
On 1/25/07, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I have seen some documentation on being able to have lists nested in other lists. I can't seem to locate it now. What I want to do is have someone subscribe to a list such as - hockey player - and by virtue of subscribing to that list they are part of the Athletics list. So they will then receive messages sent to both the Athletics list and the Hockey Player lists. What you're looking for are umbrella lists. Basically, the 'hockey players list' is a member of the 'Athletics' list. There are some options to help with this, such as setting the Athletics list not to send password reminders (since the password reminder would go to all of the hockey players list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Python Requirement
On 1/18/07, maillists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it OK to keep Python my 2.2.? Am I headed for trouble at all? I still need a push to jump off this cliff. You fool! You'll doom us all with your Python 2.2 foolishness! Ahem. That said, I don't know of any problems with python 2.2, but others may know better. I guess this is a production box? Any chance you could build a test box (vmware image?), install the newest mailman with python 2.2 on that, and test it? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] List freezing?
On 1/15/07, Terry Poperszky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a mailman server (4.12) with a couple of hundred lists on it and it has been working fine, now my largest list (826) has frozen, I can list it, but it I can't add/subtract from it on the command line or the GUI. Can someone point me in the correct direction to troubleshoot this thing? I assume by 'add/subtract' you mean adding and removing list members. What happens when you try to do this? Is there anything interesting in mailman's 'error' log? Also, it's probably not related, if you can't add members, but double-check to make sure that all of mailman's qrunners are running. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
On 1/3/07, Whitcomb, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When someone sends an email with a read receipt request to a list that I own, I get a lot of uncaught bounce notifications (I have attached one for reference). I am wondering if there is any way I can stop getting all these Read Receipt messages when people send an email to a Mailman list, without turning off bounce processing all together. I tried just filtering them in Outlook, but you can't filter on an attachment name. I do currently have all of the bounce notifications going to a folder, but would like to either stop getting these particular ones, or be able to further filter them into another folder. This sounds like it should really be a user education issue; convince your users to stop sending 'read receipt' requests. If that won't work, it might be possible to put together some filter rules to hold or reject messages with these requests included; although this is really just a way to reinforce the idea that they shouldn't be sending them. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Sender Filters
On 1/4/07, Whitcomb, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and directed at my list. I am curious if I put this company's domain name (in the same format as above) in to the discard these members field, will it get processed since it does not meet the accept these nonmembers filter, or will anything in filters subsequent to the accept filter be ignored? Assuming you're talking about discard_these_NONmembers, then yes, adding the pattern in question to that filter will take effect if the address isn't matched by other filters. (The filters are applied in some order that I'm feeling too lazy to discover, right now.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] cron logrotate error
On 12/29/06, Benjamin Melançon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a nice, low-key, thoroughly unimportant error (I hope). It's caused because /var/lib/texmf doesn't exist (although we have more files than anyone could want in /usr/share/texmf). Does anyone know offhand the proper resolution? This is on CentOS (red hat enterprise 4) with an rpm-installed Mailman and with Webmin. Here's the full issue with cron: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: This is almost certainly a CentOS issue, as (as far as I know) Mailman doesn't handle it's own log rotation. You're better off seeking help on a CentOS-centric mailing list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 64
On 12/27/06, AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( a whole lot. Snipped. ) Please, do not reply to digests and include the entire digest. I have no idea what you were trying to ask, because I am not going to read through however many pages of text that is to find out. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + postfix + cyrus + ldap
On 12/19/06, Jim John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. We have configured postfix + cyrus + ldap, but would like to add mailman for mailing lists. Is that possible with out setup? All delivery is through the cyrus-tranport which puts mail in the cyrus mailbox. We are not sure how mailman delivery would work in this environment? Thanks. The recommended way is to modify your postfix configuration to deliver mail destined for mailman directly to mailman. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman pickup mail via pop3
On 12/7/06, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, is there anyway to do it without having the local MTA involved at all? fetchmail could theoretically be configured to deliver directly to mailman's wrappers. However, I think it'd be much easier to use fetchmail as it's designed (i.e., to deliver to the local MTA), and then use the MTA to deliver to mailman- a configuration that is much more mature and which we can much more easily support. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion For Better Way of Doing List Configuration
On 12/6/06, Jon Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm relatively new to Mailman but I've managed to build it from source and set up a few lists, with generous help from this list. While working through issues relating to creating a standard list configuration, I started to feel that there was a fundamental flaw in the way Mailman lists are configured that I couldn't quite put my finger on. Of course, this could be due me not knowing or understanding something, and, if so, I'll be happy to retract what I'm going to say below. Yesterday, I realized that I had made a mistake in how I had configured all my lists (I only have about 6 so far, so this is no great tragedy). This was entirely my fault, and not due to anything amiss in Mailman. So, using the web interface, I fixed the mistake on all 6 lists. This wasn't too bad, but it got me to thinking what I would have had to do if I had 1,000 lists. The command-line config_list and/or with_list tools have a slightly higher up-front cost (in terms of work required), but trivialize the cost-per-list for config updates, for the purpose of applying a single value across multiple lists. All of a sudden the thought hit me that would it be better if Mailman lists were designed kind of like classes in an object oriented programming language. There would be one super list which would be configured with all the standard values you want every list to have. Then, there would be lists derived from the super list, which would only need to be configured to have values different than the super list. There could even be lists derived from these lists, and so on down the line. Someone else can probably give a better analysis, but from my understanding, something like what you're suggesting would represent a significant departure from the current Mailman architecture, and this would constitute a fairly major rewrite. With this design philosophy it would be very easy to make changes that effect multiple lists because the change would only have to be made in one place. I haven't thought it through but it might even be possible for this class-like design to include list membership making it easier to have one list contain other lists as members. Given that Mailman is written in Python, my naive impression would be that this should be relatively easy to implement. (As my old boss Mike Stonebraker used to say, it's just a simple matter of software). In reading the Mailman documentation I saw a mention of an umbrella list, but the only description here says umbrella lists are depreciated and will be replaced with a better mechanism for Mailman 3.0. Are umbrella lists somehow related to what I'm talking about? Umbrella lists deal with lists that distribute their messages primarly to other lists, rather than users. So, no, they aren't really related. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman pickup mail via pop3
On 12/6/06, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to be able to have mailman pickup incoming mail to the list via an external POP3 server (important) A program called 'fetchmail' can... fetch mail, from a POP3 server and deliver it using the local MTA. It's pretty easy to set up. and submit it out to the list via an external SMTP server (not as important). Mailman can do this natively. It's pretty trivial; you just change the SMTPHOST variable in your mm_cfg.py appropriately. Alternatively, you can set up the MTA on the mailman machine (FWIW, I recommend Postfix) to deliver via a smart host. This is also pretty easy to do. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with umbrella lists
On 12/6/06, Paul Choi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all the lists allow non-members to post. But when we send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the admins and moderators for the child lists get an email saying they need to approve the post. I've scoured the admin interface options, but I can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. Do you have access to the command line? If so, check the 'vette' log to find a reason for the message being held. The only setting I can think of that you might have overlooked is the require_explicit_destination setting, but I didn't think this held the message. That said, I'm not sure what action it triggers, so check it anyway. You might want to double-check and see if there's any spam filters set up. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] removing members with non-standard characters
On 12/6/06, Anne Ramey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how one of my list admins managed to do this, but they have four members on their list that look like this in the membership list: b http://lists.ncmail.net/mailman/options/nciin-network-ops/%00b%00r%00i%00a%00n%00v%00--at--%00n%00c%00c%00c%00s%00.%00c%00c%00.%00n%00c%00.%00u%00s%00%00%00%00%00%1F%00%00%00%01%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%03%00%00%00 See FAQ 3.13. How do I remove a user name or email address with an illegal character in it? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.013.htp -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working
On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are log entries in maillog that say Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3: client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Something connected from the local computer and sent a message. Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command)) The message was to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server attempted to deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which refused to relay to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=, size=5858, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed The local SMTP server generated a bounce notification and removed the original message from its queue. Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed The bounce notification was delivered to mailman's bounce handler, and the bounce notification was removed from postfix's queue. If that part where is says removed means that they are off the list - they aren't. The 'removed' is postfix removing messages from its queue, which is completely normal and correct. This is the vette log says: Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Post by non-member to a members-only list Once again, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' isn't a member of the list. This is probably a postfix DSN, which is sent 'from' postfix, or something similar. It looks like no posts are actually reaching your mailing list. I am very confused. Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain be the problem? Your server doesn't seem to realize that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is supposed to be delivered locally. Perhaps this is correct; however, the smart host that it's set up to deliver through ALSO won't accept [EMAIL PROTECTED] At least one of these is incorrect. If the mailman server is also the server where you read your mail (e.g., your POP or IMAP server), then it needs to be configured to accept messages for kcheney for local delivery. If your SMTP relay host is the server where you read your mail, IT Needs to be set up to accept mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] for local delivery. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working
On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all. I thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something else. Email works by mail servers relaying mail to each other until it gets to a server that (believes) it can deliver it locally. There is either something wrong with the MX records in your domain, or your Postfix server is actually set to relay mail to the DNS, for some reason. Check your postfix config for settings related to relaying or smarthosts, and check your DNS config to see if all your MX records are correct. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 5.3 localdomain.localhost problem
On 12/1/06, Dewhirst, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the correct DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py and I am still getting emails with urls referring to localdomain.localhost in them. I have restarted mailman after the change. Ideas? Run fix_url -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action
On 12/1/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Bogen wrote: Unfortunately, it looks like, since Moderate.py comes before anything else, there's no really 'correct' way to do this. It doesn't come before SpamDetect which processes header_filter_rules, so your suggestion below won't work. Indeed, this is correct. I think I failed at reading, since Moderate.py isn't anything like the first in the pipeline. :/ -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending emails via Mailman Issue
On 11/30/06, Saxvik, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes the MTA is running on the mailman machine. No I have not changed the options SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT, they are still set to their default settings. SMTPHOST 'localhost' SMTPPORT '0'. Can you double-check that your MTA is listening on port 25? Either using: netstat -lnp (and looking for port 25) or: telnet localhost 25 and see if the MTA responds (after a few seconds, probably.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action
On 11/30/06, Dominika Tkaczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like my mailing list to have the following configuration: the
messages from most of subscribers are rejected, and there are a few
subscribers whose messages are hold for moderation. Is there any way to do
so without changing the source code? Or maybe there are already some
patches?
Unfortunately, it looks like, since Moderate.py comes before anything
else, there's no really 'correct' way to do this.
One option that ought to work, however, would be the following:
Moderate all users that you want rejected, and set
member_moderation_action to reject. Unmoderate the users you want
held. Add a header filter rule that matches on everything (something
like a single caret ('^') should suffice), and is set to Hold. I
haven't tested this, and I don't know if it will work or not.
This does seem like something that should be implemented in a more
reasonable manner, though, possibly with the addition of a
'default_member_action,' separate from moderation?
My second question is: does Mailman use any email authorization or it simply
checks the From: header of messages?
Mailman only checks the From header, but it also looks for a special
'Approved' header. To use this feature, include an 'Approved:' header
containing the list password (e.g., Approved: foobar), or include it
as the first line of the message. Note that the latter is a bit
dependent on how the message is constructed, so if your email client
handles HTML email weird, and you use that, it's possible that mailman
might miss the header. The handling should be pretty good, though, and
text-only emails should be pretty much foolproof.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action
On 11/30/06, Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/30/06, Dominika Tkaczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My second question is: does Mailman use any email authorization or it simply checks the From: header of messages? Mailman only checks the From header, but it also looks for a special 'Approved' header. To use this feature, include an 'Approved:' header containing the list password (e.g., Approved: foobar), or include it as the first line of the message. I should point out that this *does* bypass any type of member moderation. If a valid 'Approved:' header is included, then the message bypasses any of those filters. I don't know for sure /which/ filters it bypasses, but I would assume it bypasses all of them. (Can someone verify this assumption?) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization and limiting number of emails to MTA
On 11/30/06, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible within Mailman 2.1.9 to limit the number of emails sent to an MTA responsible for delivery so that not all of them are passed on one connection? Yes, set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and/or SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in your mm_cfg.py to whichever values you want. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is probably not important, since you're using full personalization. SMTP_MAX_SESSION_PER_CONNECTION is what you're asking about, however. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to setup umbrella lists
On 11/30/06, Lonnie Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There is a umbrella_list setting in the General Options for my lists but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to setup the umbrella list to allow posting from people who are on the sub lists. Has someone written an explanation of this procedure? There is a patch available that will allow you to reference other lists' memberships in the accept_these_nonmembers field. The 'umbrella_list' setting is really just an accessory, which redirects notifications (e.g., periodic password notifications) to sublist-owner instead of just sublist (in which case everyone on the sublist would see sublist's password! Oops!). The patch, I believe, is here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103 Additionally, each sublist either needs 'require_explicit_destination' set to 'No,' or the address of the umbrella list added to 'acceptable_aliases'. There may be something I'm missing, but I think that's everything. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to setup umbrella lists
It reportedly applies properly to 2.1.8.. I don't know if anyone's tried it against 2.1.9. If you're worried, just make a backup of everything before you patch it. - Patrick Bogen P.s., please keep all replies on-list On 11/30/06, Todd Seeleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Patrick, I looked at the patch and it doesn't specifically mention mailman 2.1.9. Will the patch work for that version? Todd Seeleman Patrick Bogen wrote: On 11/30/06, Lonnie Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There is a umbrella_list setting in the General Options for my lists but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to setup the umbrella list to allow posting from people who are on the sub lists. Has someone written an explanation of this procedure? There is a patch available that will allow you to reference other lists' memberships in the accept_these_nonmembers field. The 'umbrella_list' setting is really just an accessory, which redirects notifications (e.g., periodic password notifications) to sublist-owner instead of just sublist (in which case everyone on the sublist would see sublist's password! Oops!). The patch, I believe, is here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103 Additionally, each sublist either needs 'require_explicit_destination' set to 'No,' or the address of the umbrella list added to 'acceptable_aliases'. There may be something I'm missing, but I think that's everything. -- *** Todd Seeleman, Systems Analyst Penn Graduate School of Education 3440 Market Street, Rm 477email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Philadelphia, PA. 19104-3325 phone: 215-573-8378 *** -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/30/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows: Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Post by non-member to a members-only list The address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not a member of the list. That is the address you sent the message from. However, this indicates the message was held, not rejected or discarded. Are you sure you're looking at the correct place when you say it doesn't show up as a moderation task? but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list. Is this a problem maybe in the aliases file? alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases I don't think you need both of these. I'm not completely sure, however. This might have something to do with why listname-leave isn't working. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Logging list creation
On 11/30/06, Richard Kirkcaldy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to log the creation of new lists? We've got quite a few people administering our Mailman server and I'd like announcements of new lists to be either logged somewhere or, even better, emailed out to the Mailman list. I don't believe there's a setting to accomplish this. It shouldn't, however, be terribly difficult to modify the various methods for creating lists to generate an announcement to a fixed address, however. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject line filtering
On 11/30/06, Duane Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ^subject:.*hi\sit ^subject:.*wrote: But they don't seem to work. I am not very familiar with regular expressions. Can someone point out something I am doing wrong? These look fine to me. What do you have the action set to for these rules? Is it possible the message is being pre-approved some other way? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject line filtering
SpamDetect should be the first handler in the pipeline, which means that header_filter_rules should be one of the first things checked. I do not know what is causing your issue. What does the vette log have to say about these messages? Please keep all replies on-list. - Patrick Bogen On 11/30/06, Duane Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Bogen wrote: On 11/30/06, Duane Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ^subject:.*hi\sit ^subject:.*wrote: But they don't seem to work. I am not very familiar with regular expressions. Can someone point out something I am doing wrong? These look fine to me. What do you have the action set to for these rules? It is set to discard. Is it possible the message is being pre-approved some other way? They have been (and still are) getting caught in the moderation queue. Posts of list members do not go in the queue, so I am only checking for valid posts that are in the queue for one reason or another. I don't know what other things might override this. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First let me say I am very new to Mailman, very new to Linux, and very new to mailing lists. (it took me 2 days to get the listserv to even send out :( ) I have the listserv up and sending to my lists; however, I would like to make the lists only emailable from the list owner. I saw one post that referred to a FAQ but it was not very clear to me on how to do it. So, how do I limit the person that can send to the mailing list to only the list owner/administrator/moderator? I have set all list members to be moderated, yet they dont show up on the tend to pending moderator tasks link. What are 'they'? The users don't show up. If a moderated user sends a message, and member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold,' then the message will show up in the admin interface. The general way to do what you want is: set all members to moderated. Set 'default_member_moderation' for the list to 'Yes'. Set 'member_moderation_action' to 'Hold' if you want to see attempts by the members to post, and have the opportunity to approve them. Set it to 'reject,' otherwise, which will bounce the message and tell the user why. To allow certain users (based on email address) to automatically post, add their email addresses to accept_these_nonmembers. This is probably the easiest, although least secure, way to do this. The better (though potentially more complex and difficult) way to do this is to include the list password on any emails sent, which will automatically bypass the sender filters. There are two ways to do this: Either as a header in the email (this can be difficult, depending on which email client you're using), or as the first line in the email (this can be very tricky if you're sending HTML email. For normal text, it should be fairly foolproof). Either way, the header/line should look like: Approved: list password -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The they i was referring to are the messages that moderated members of the list sent to the list. they dont show up in the Tend to pending moderator requests list link off of the admin page as I would expect them to. Are you sure the messages were held, and not discarded or rejected? Check the 'member_moderation_action' setting I mentioned. Also, please try to keep your replies on-list, so that others can chime in when I'm wrong about things, (which is fairly often! :) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] how to make a list private?
On 11/29/06, Jana Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to make my mailing list private for admin to view only. But my list keep on displaying publically at hostmailman/lisinfo. What you're looking for is the 'advertised' setting on the 'Privacy Options' page of the admin interface. Set this to 'no'. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
This is where you want to adjust the setting I mentioned. If it's already set to Hold (and not Discard or Reject), then there is probably something else wrong, which is why you need to keep the conversation on-list. As willing as I am to help, I don't have perfect knowledge of Mailman. - Patrick Bogen On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I found it... Under privacy|sender filters. Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will send the solution to the list after this email because I dont want the list subscribers to see how stupid I am at this point! Right now I cant find where to set member_mod now... I thought it was on one of the web screens. Once the list is created do I need to now change it via the command line? or is everything available somewhere in the mailman web ui? I am pretty sure somewhere along the line i set all the users to be in the hold space for nonmoderators or list owners. I am wondering if I have some other problem since i can't unsubscribe by emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Ken Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney wrote: First let me say I am very new to Mailman, very new to Linux, and very new to mailing lists. (it took me 2 days to get the listserv to even send out :( ) I have the listserv up and sending to my lists; however, I would like to make the lists only emailable from the list owner. I saw one post that referred to a FAQ but it was not very clear to me on how to do it. So, how do I limit the person that can send to the mailing list to only the list owner/administrator/moderator? I have set all list members to be moderated, yet they dont show up on the tend to pending moderator tasks link. What are 'they'? The users don't show up. If a moderated user sends a message, and member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold,' then the message will show up in the admin interface. The general way to do what you want is: set all members to moderated. Set 'default_member_moderation' for the list to 'Yes'. Set 'member_moderation_action' to 'Hold' if you want to see attempts by the members to post, and have the opportunity to approve them. Set it to 'reject,' otherwise, which will bounce the message and tell the user why. To allow certain users (based on email address) to automatically post, add their email addresses to accept_these_nonmembers. This is probably the easiest, although least secure, way to do this. The better (though potentially more complex and difficult) way to do this is to include the list password on any emails sent, which will automatically bypass the sender filters. There are two ways to do this: Either as a header in the email (this can be difficult, depending on which email client you're using), or as the first line in the email (this can be very tricky if you're sending HTML email. For normal text, it should be fairly foolproof). Either way, the header/line should look like: Approved: -- - Patrick Bogen Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. Here are my settings for Privacy Options: Member Filters: By Default, should new list member postings be moderated? = Yes Action Taken? = Hold NonMember Filters: Action to take for postings from nonmembers for which no explicit action is defined? = Hold Should messages from non-memebers, which are are discarded be fwded to moderator? = Yes As a member of the list with the mod box checked I email the list. The list not only doesnt make it to the recipients but it doesnt show up in the Pending moderator requests section. Do you have access to the system logs on the machine mailman is running on? Can you check mailman's vette log (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please) to see what's happening to the messages you post? Here are also things that don't work which could lead to the problem, they dont sound like they would but I will post them anyway. emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not remove members from the list. if i email from the list owner the emails go to all the list members except the members of the list that have email addresses on my work domain. Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - does not get message Is the machine handling mail for mydomain.com the same machine as that on which mailman runs? Can you check your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim, or qmail) logs to see what's happening to the request you send to listname-leave? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending emails via Mailman Issue
On 11/29/06, Saxvik, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection refused') msgid: Have you overriden the 'SMTPHOST' or 'SMTPPORT' options in mm_cfg.py? Alternatively, have you changed one of them in Defaults.py? (The latter would be a bad thing). The default SMTPHOST is 'localhost', and the port is 0, which means the default. If you aren't running an MTA on the machine running Mailman (from what I understand, you are?), you'll need to change them. If you've changed them to something else, that may be the problem. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Old lists are working. New lists discard allmessages. How to debug?
On 11/28/06, Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there really no way of having mailman indicate a reason for discarding a message? It would be really helpful to know what criteria are in play here. In fact, Mailman normally does give a reason in the vette log, except in a few limited circumstances, like that which Dan mentioned. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman over SSH-Tunnel
On 11/28/06, Dark Servant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I setup mailman to manage lists at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mailinglists works, but the admininterface gives me a headache. The Webserver is not accessible from the outsite, so I have to use a SSH-Tunnel like ssh -L 8080:localhost:80 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another option might be to use a console-mode web browser, such as elinks. The Mailman pages are pretty simple in their construction, and so elinks should be more than adequate for whatever you need to do. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman over SSH-Tunnel
On 11/28/06, Dark Servant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm.. what exactly does the fix_url script do? Changing the URLs on the interface as I want? It changes the URLs on the pages to match the current config. Am I right that setting the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to something like http://localhost:8080/mailman; will work for me, as long people always forward port 8080? This isn't exactly right, but you've got the general idea. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation - Can't Send Email toaNewList (reformatted)
On 11/27/06, mcjathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS was set in mm_cfg.py, but was not set in Defaults.py. Should POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS not be set in Defaults.py? Any settings in mm_cfg.py override the identical setting in Defaults.py. So, if POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS is unset in Defaults.py (or even set to 'foobarmonkey', for whatever reason), any setting (correct, valid, or otherwise) of POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py will be used, instead. The rule of thumb is that you should never alter Defaults.py, since this file can (and probably will) be overwritten during an upgrade of Mailman. mm_cfg.py, however, will NOT be overwritten by Mailman's installation scripts, so it's safe to put configuration data there. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] trying to access archives - access denied
On 11/27/06, Rachel Assuncao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am the manger for a couple of different lists that are relatively new. It has come to my attention in the last few days that our members are unable to access the archives when they click on the archives link (http://lists.genuinecontact.info/pipermail/genuinecontact/). When you click on the link, it takes you to a page that says Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /pipermail/genuinecontact/ on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. This looks like a web server (e.g., apache) configuration, and/or permissions issue. I think the problem is that the user apache is running as can't access your /pipermail tree. Did you install Mailman from source, or did you use a packaged version? You might want to run through Chapter 5 of the installation manual http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node10.html and make sure you followed everything properly. It might be worthwhile to run check_perms, as well, although I'm not sure if it actually checks these particular permisisons. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam
On 11/15/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting a huge amount of spam sent to my list owner addresses for all my lists, is there any way I can stop this? Can I setup my lists so that only mailman itself can email me and that other people cannot send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This would have to be done on the MTA level, since I believe the handling of list-owner in mailman is pretty simplistic (i.e., pull a variable and redirect the mail). Alternatively, you can always implement reasonable spam filtering technologies at the MTA level to keep spam away from mailman (which is where it belongs. Far, far away from mailman.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] connection refused by lists.
On 11/10/06, Gretchen at Ladyweave.com | 269-369-1114 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A message to one of our lists didn't go through. Does the error message indicate a problem at the server or is it within the program? The list seems to be working fine now. Thanks for any advice you can give. [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Deferred: Connection refused by lists.cmwd-uua.org. Message could not be delivered for 3 hours Message will be deleted from queue This was a problem with the MTA (e.g., postfix, sendmail, exim, qmail, or something else) at lists.cmwd-uua.org, OR with whichever server was trying to talk to it. The latter is probably not the case, but it MAY be due to a network disruption if everything checks out on the MTA level. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List / Moderation
On 11/10/06, Todd Seeleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still not clear on the umbrella list function. What I'm trying to do is have a number of sub-lists (different faculty status) to which email to the super-list (all-faculty comprising all of the sub-list names) will distribute. I'd like to allow all sub-list members to send to the super-list There is a patch to facilitate this, which allows you to reference other lists' memberships in Privacy Options Sender Filters accept_these_nonmembers. and, if possible, allow all domain addresses i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send to certain lists. Is this possible? I've tried using the following options without success. You want to add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to accept_these_nonmembers, which should make it a regexp match. As for the umbrella list configuration, not only do you need either acceptable_aliases or !require_explicit_destination, but the umbrella list address will also need to be in accept_these_nonmembers, or a member of the sub lists (but the latter, here, is almost certainly a bad idea. So, stick with accept_these_nonmembers.) Hope this helps, -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting pending for approval from command line
On 11/10/06, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Gerardo Herzig wrote: resources issue, not shure). The thing is: Can i delete those pending messages from command line? Can i delete or blank a simple file? (its ok if i delete ALL the pending messages) I have a similar issue with a mailing list with over 5K unmoderated messages I need to sift through, and can't load the web interface for it. Gadi. I've added FAQ 4.74 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.074.htp to answer this. If someone else can look it over for me and double-check that what I've put is accurate (and the best phrasing, etc.), I'd be appreciative. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation
On 11/10/06, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not specific to mailman, but I had a lot of trouble with it. I am sure I am not the only one, so I figured I'll share. In recent months the problem of moderation, especially with large lists, has become even more significant. The amounts of spam which reach the uncomfortable moderation page is staggering.. but this email is not about the very inconvinient way of mailman moderation (even small changes such as letting me moderate non-members differently would have been amazing!). This email is about spamcop. Spamcop is blacklisting server swhich relay mailing list bounces containing spam. Mailing list bounces are some of the only acceptable bounces left on the Internet, but now that's no longer true. These bounces contain mostly spam and phishing, and bounced back to fake addresses belonging to real people. Therefore, even if Spamcop is especially evil in this case and annoy us to hell and back - they are right. Bouncing back a message which tells a user his original message is held for moderation is now a bad idea if we want to stay out of the black list of spamcop, not to mention to not turn our servers to willing spam conduits (as discussed a few months ago). Gadi. I'm not entirely sure what the point of this message was. Bearing that in mind, you shouldn't be using moderation as a first-line anti-spam defense. Your MTA should be tagging emails as spam (e.g., using Spamassassin, or something better suited to your particular configuration), greylisting, etc. With a properly configured setup, the spam that actually reaches the moderation interface should be minimal; most of it should be discarded (not rejected) by mailman, at the very least. This is fairly trivial to implement; just set up your MTA to pass mail through spamassassin, and then add a check for the headers it adds to mailman's list configuration, if nothing else. If I'm understanding your concern, the key here is for you to configure your mailman installation to discard known spam messages rather than rejecting them. This is, in fact, one of the options on the moderation screen (you may choose to Accept, Defer, Reject, or Discard messages). Additionally, as far as I know, you CAN moderate non-members differently; although perhaps I don't have the same understanding of that phrase as you do. You can set messages from non-members to be automatically discarded or rejected, as you wish. See Privacy Options Sender Filters generic_nonmember_action -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4
On 11/9/06, Eric Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I am back. I am able to send a message out of exim4 from the command line through my webhosts smtp servers. (godaddy). Now I need to install mailman and get them to play together. Well it says the basic install should work right off the bat.(debian) I have a question. It says I need to at least set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST. What do I set these too. I am sending these messages from my home machine. I get confused forinstances, DEFAULT_URL_HOST is the host part of my list. www.mydomain.com. Well I have a legit host domain called www.mydomain.com. So when I set up list say [EMAIL PROTECTED], how do I send mail to everyone who is a member of the test list? Have you read through the Mailman Installation Manual http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html ? These topics should be covered therein. Once you (mostly) understand what it has to say, we'll be happy to help you address any issues you might run across. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Debian+Mailman+postfix Error with SMTP
On 11/9/06, Lopez, Carlos Andres [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nov 09 21:28:33 2006 (9361) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code -1: (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution') Which log file is this from, exactly? Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] the actual address, or have you edited the log entry (when posting to us)? Is the address a list member, or the name of a list? If this is from a mailman log, it looks like your message is getting to the list, but it's failing on delivery, which isn't a postfix-mailman integration issue. It looks, in fact, like 'mydomain.com' is an invalid domain (check your email address in the membership), or your mailman machine might have some kind of DNS issues. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting pending for approval from command line
On 11/10/06, Carl Zwanzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a coupla notes- The formatting comes out a bit wonky, ie $ cd ~mailman/data $ rm heldmsg-listname-* is one line. Fixed. I'm a more of fan of piping find output to xargs instead of using -exec. find heldmsg -name '*' | xargs rm (it also looks like the base dir is missing in the example.) That seems like it'd be more efficient. Changed. (Fixed.) I don't see how the last example would be any better than the first, you can still fill up the cmd line. Good point. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam, spamcop and mailman moderation
On 11/10/06, John W. Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the end of greylisting as a useful tool is approaching (I'm surprised it has survived this long). I understand this point. I think that greylisting should persist, in any case, since, if nothing else, it doubles the work a spammer has to do; and on the scale they work, that's a lot. Personally, I'd like to see hashcash become widespread, but I guess that'd be hell for a mailing list. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4
On 11/10/06, Eric Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Debian as I said before so these directions don't apply. No disrespect but I am using this list because I have called myself reading many documents about install of mailman and exim4 on debian and I am at wits ends Do you have anything that closer resembles my current setup? Section 7 http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/customizing.html indicates that configuration options are well-documented in the Defaults.py, which addresses 'It says I need to at least set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST. What do I set these too.' Section 13 http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node45.html answers 'how do I send mail to everyone who is a member of the test list?' You don't need documentation that's specific to Debian and exim (FWIW, I much prefer postfix to exim). You need documentation that covers the basics of using and administering Mailman, which is what the linked install guide does. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.5 to 2.1.9
On 11/8/06, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I actually used the FreeBSD port system to install Mailman as opposed to installing from source, but the concept is the same. And this is no guarantee that things will be this clean for you. The only added complication when installing from source is that you'd need to use the same './configure' arguments as you used before. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for these features
On 11/9/06, mumtaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have two questions: 1. The way I can create new lists using mailman, can I establish a grouping of lists as well? For example set of list for employees of my company and set of list for customers of my company? Eventually I want to customize the UI, so that employees can view only their lists and customers can only view lists related to them. Does that mean running totally separate instances of mailman for employees and customers? See FAQ 3.5 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.005.htp -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] List Doesn't Appear on Admin Page nor Listinfo Page
On 11/1/06, Barry Finkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The vm6mmtestlist1 list does not appear, and I do not know why. The list has The list doesn't show up because its URL doesn't match mailman's current virtualhost URL. Try using fix_url on the list, and see if that fixes the problem. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] reviving broken mailman ???
On 11/1/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'll bide my time, I guess waiting for debian to come out and address this apparent bug, relating to mailman and smtp-failure and debuglevel reporting. I could wait a year, right, or it could be out today? If you're sure this is something in Debian, I assume you've filled out a bug report about it, or at least checked bugs.debian.org? In the meantime, I'll figure out how to back up my mailman installation per Patrick's instructions. Is there any service that I could upload my list to, and then have someone else send out to my list for me, for a price? Is that option available? Depending on what you mean by 'a price,' there are plenty of services that offer mailman alongside a bunch of other stuff, probably for less than $15/mo. I don't know that there are any dedicated mailman-only offerings. Personally, I have a VPS from vpsland.com (on which I run Debian, heh.), which I could run mailman on; it's $11/mo. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to mailman-2.1.9
On 11/1/06, Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have finally decided to upgrade from 2.1.5 - 2.1.9, but I am being hesitant because in 2.1.5, there was a patch to integrate spam filtering into Mailman using SpamAssassin. What are my options once I go to 2.1.9? The best option (and what you should be doing now) is filtering spam at the MTA level; either flat-out rejecting spam there, or tagging it in some way that you can later reject things at the Mailman level, if need be. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] reviving broken mailman ???
On 10/31/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for curiosity's sake, what would happen if one were to backup one's list files, purge mailman and then reinstall, and move the list files back? Might this revive a system running on debian, which is currently broken? It depends on why it's broken. That said, if you follow the procedures given for moving a list to another machine (except, instead, just move all the files aside while you purge/reinstall), it shouldn't be any more broken than it was before. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] reviving broken mailman ???
On 10/31/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Broken, in that it won't send out through my MTA, which in my case is Exim4, or in another who's had trouble with mailman on debian, through Postfix. It seems that when he moved his data files, and purged mailman and then reinstalled it. He claims it works now Well, my point was, if your mailman is broken because something is wrong with your list config files, keeping the list config files and reinstalling everything else won't help anything. :) My question then is which files does one move out of the way of the wrecking ball, a la apt-get --purge mailman etc so that one doesn't have to recreate the list after reinstallation? If you aren't concerned about list archives, I believe you only need the files in (on Debian) /var/lib/mailman/lists/* Each list should have its own directory, with a config.pck, possibly config.pck.last, and (possibly?) a request.pck. Archives are in /var/lib/mailman/archives; they can be regenerated from some subset of the files in this hierarchy (I believe its those under listname.mbox/), but I'm not sure if that's all that's required. If you can read bash script, FAQ 4.18 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.018.htp might help you figure all this out. P.s., Please CC the list on all replies, so that more well-versed folk can chime in when I might not know the answer. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM e-mail filtering
On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPAM, as always is a hot topic and I may on the wrong forum, but... You are correct; this isn't the place to ask this. Try a more general mail admin forum. All the addresses on the website have been picked up by spammers, and they are sending a picture of a message that gets by filters. I can stop the SPAM to the mailman newslist with moderation, but my problem really falls to other user address (non-maillist) that I have no way to stop. I am using Spamassin 3.1.7 and cpanel e-mail filtering is the only tools I have available. I am not sure that they even check mail directed to the list? Can someone point me in the right direction? Without getting too into it, your best bet would probably be to switch providers, if your current provider doesn't offer the level of support and comptence that you need. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail list script sending out spam and crashing server big style
On 10/19/06, Heal Secretary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using Mailman 2.1.9.cp 1. I am locked in to CPanel and not at liberty, myself to do an upgrade from this version. If you or someone in your organization has the expertise, you might consider switching to an alternate host that gives you full control. E.g., a company that offers VPSs; you can usually get cPanel, but also have full shell access to the 'server' to be able to update any software you want (e.g., to non-cPanel versions). I, personally, use www.vpsland.com, and derive no economic or social benefit from recommending them (however, they're quite inexpensive and have never given me problems.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Are messages queues in the face of SMTP failures
On 10/20/06, Robert Bannocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question. Will mailman queue or re-create these messages, if so how can I stop them being sent out as they are not required. I believe they'll be placed in the 'retry' queue after they fail the first time. You should be able to just remove them from there. Mailman won't actually 're-create' the messages, as far as I know. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Restricting numbers of emails per thread
On 10/20/06, Spyro Polymiadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a way to limit the number of posts in any given thread in a mail list? We've got some ppl here that just post for the hell of it and just waste time in general, So we're looking at clamping down on some things.. This sort of content management seems (a) out of the scope of mailman, and (b) an unrealistic expectation. Primarily, there's nothing stopping a user from just starting a new thread; email doesn't actually have any concept of 'threads'. The only thing you might conceivably be able to do is limit the rate of posting from a given user. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] slow processing
On 10/20/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What might cause really slow processing of email sent to a list? I set up a new list yesterday around 4:00 pmdidn't receive any response, until this morning, I noticed that around 7:00 pm, the mail finally arrived. This is most likely caused by MTA issues. Search the FAQ for 'performance'. Is this the only list on that machine? Are you sure it wasn't a one-time delay? (E.g., a nameserver that was temporarily inaccessible) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] slow processing
On 10/20/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Bogen [20/10/06 13:37 -0500]: This is most likely caused by MTA issues. Search the FAQ for 'performance'. Is this the only list on that machine? Are you sure it wasn't a one-time delay? (E.g., a nameserver that was temporarily inaccessible) Sorry to ask, but which FAQ am I to check for 'performance'? That would be the Mailman FAQ that's linked at the bottom of every mailing list mail. Also, please keep all replies on-list; it's likely that there are people who know more or have better insight than I, so they deserve the chance show me I'm wrong. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Serious Performance issue
On 10/17/06, Peter Kofod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has gotten to the point where we can't even manage the system via the web interface (keep getting a 500 Internal Server error). I am obviously no mailman or postfix guru, so any pointers on where I should look in the logs and make changes would be helpful. See: FAQ 4.11 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.011.htp and FAQ 6.3 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.003.htp -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman Upgrade
On 10/17/06, Kaushal Shriyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have GNU Mailman version is 2.1.8 running on my linux box, Just wanted to know How do i upgrade it to The current stable GNU Mailman version is 2.1.9, released on 12-Sep-2006 Did you compile your Mailman from source, or are you using a package distributed by your Linux distribution? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
