Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscription based on e-mail subject
On Saturday 02 February 2019, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > I feel like Mailman's "Topic" feature is under utilized. :-/ Agreed! Oddly none of the 'techie' lists I have ever been on enable this feature. Couple of critter lists that started on Listserve and moved to Mailman do. First learned of Mailman back in 2001 when one of then switched to 2.0.6. BTW do not see a "Keywords: header." but do see an X-Topics: FOO. With FOO: also appearing in the Subject header. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces
On Thursday 19 October 2017, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > As Mark says, they should use an @sysadmins.irs.gov address or > something like that, which would have its own p=none policy. Note > that this has been already standard practice at Yahoo! (!), AOL (!!), > LinkedIn, and several banks that participate in IETF discussions. > Since 2013 for Yahoo! and LinkedIn IIRC. So if enough users of Yahoo and AOL requested something such as u...@list.aol.com to not be DMARC p=reject they /might/ listen? Only list I help administer the owner simply moderates the few remaining hold outs who can not switch and manually re-posts their messages. Would not have worked back when the list was busy... Think I now understand the correct fix but did not a few years ago when this mess started and that was the solution we came up with. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Find a smtp server to send out emails
On Wednesday 07 December 2016, Dominik Hoffmann wrote: > Ever since my ISP, Verizon, quit relaying email messages from addresses > not ending in @verizon.net, I have been exploring SMTP alternatives. I > haven't come to a conclusion, but I found an interesting list at > > https://www.formget.com/smtp-service-providers/ I think Leon has his answer, but if you can live with a strict limit of 1,000 emails per hour a tiny plan at A Small Orange might meet your needs. I have the slightly larger small plan which runs $5 per month and have no problem sending my ISP address emails outbound through them. This had the added benefit of avoiding the Gmail problem of not seeing your own posts to lists during the ~five years my ISP outsourced to Gmail. Anyone hosting a discusion list should keep in mind that a list with 100 (non digest) members would exceed the limit with just 11 posts in one hour. The list I help with is split in half on two diffrent plans due to hitting this limit years ago. We were prepared to split it into three parts but that never proved necessary. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?
On Friday 02 September 2016, Richard Johnson wrote: > This is strange. One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of > attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the > messages one after the other. > > The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address. Maybe they're > doing something to it? Remote possibility is the users mail reader is bursting digests back to individual messages. These will have minimal headers, look different and might be mistaken for attachments. Forte Agent defaults to this behavior. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove individual msgs from archive
On Wednesday 15 June 2016, John Poltorak wrote: > Is it possible via the admin interface to remove individual msgs from an > archive? > > There is always the chance that something inappropriate gets posted and > isn't immediately spotted. Or even if it is spotted straight after it has > been posted... Pretty sure the answer is still no. Requested this myself about six years ago. Have hope we will get this ability in Mailman 3! -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Message may contain ... administrivia?
On Thursday 01 October 2015, Bryan Blackwell wrote: > Probably just as well to turn them off, most people use the web interface > nowadays and have for some time. Very long time for some of us, almost got kicked off of a mailing list about 15 years ago when I discovered List Serve had added a web interface before the list owner knew. Accused me of 'hacking' :-O Same guy later moved that list to Mailman 2.0.6 which was how I learned of its existence. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?
On Monday 06 April 2015, JB wrote: Ive been gathering that based on the research I have been doing. I am REALLY looking forward to the new version. As soon as it is out I will have to put in a feature request to the cPanle folks to make the upgrade ASAP. As an FYI, they are tad behind the times with MM. Their last upgrade was this... Change Log for 11.44.0.2 Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:35 AM Fixed case 99393: Updated mailman to 2.1.18-1. My web hosting upgraded from 2.1.17 to 2.1.18-1 on June 5 2014 so I'm assuming cPanle customers (not end users like me) can upgrade Mailman when they chose? In any case plan to ask my host to request 3.0 in parallel with 2.1 if possible. Itching to get a test install up! -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list
On Saturday 21 March 2015, Larry Kuenning wrote: Settable by which user? The sender or the recipient? Recipient of course, sender has no way of knowing what the recipient prefers. And wouldn't a default of removing all but one level of quoted text make nonsense of some posts? E.g. in the passage above, one needs the inner quotation to know what the outer quotation refers to. Not for us. Someone joining the conversation mid stream might but that is what archives are for. It seems to me correct editing of quotation sequences requires human thought, not just mechanical text manipulation. Even though some people expect their computers to think for them. I'm sure there would be occasionally maglings when some one starts a sentence with with an alternate quote character. Lindsay Haisley raises the valid point that HTML mail would be most difficult to include in such a filter. Oh well, I can dream... -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] The right way to reply to a mailing list
On Saturday 21 March 2015, Al Black wrote: Although the ideal solution is obviously users changing their behaviour and or MUAs, I've wondered whether an auto-trim function within mailman would make sense (for digest users...) Yes! For every one, not just digest users. And it should default to removing all but one single level of quoted text (regardless of top or bottom posting) and be *user* setable to none removed or all quoted text removed. Should also remove all quoted list banners and this should not be an easily changeable setting. Make them edit the source if they want to see seven list banners;-) BTW, in my older version of KMail left clicking and *releasing* the 'Reply' button uses the default 'Reply' option. Left clicking and *holding* opens a dialog box with the following four options, Reply Reply to Author Reply to All Reply to Mailing-List -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Internet Message Format: Identification Fields
On Monday 23 June 2014, Mark Sapiro wrote: Your choice is clear to me. If you don't like the way Gmail handles your list posts, subscribe and post from a non-gmail address. Mark, off topic for *this* list though you might want to add this to the FAQ? willi, some web hosting servers will allow customers to post outgoing mail with any address you own. Even if it does not match the domain you have hosted with them. My ISP (.tds) address has been outsourced to Gmail for about five years. When this message returns to me Gmail will not discared it as a duplicate since they did not see it out bound. Only good solution I have found though it does cost $5 per month for hosting. Which I would have anyway just for my web site... -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be installed on a free python webhost?
On Monday 02 December 2013, R. Sheng-Chieh Cheng wrote: With all the hack and permission's problem, I decided not to try to install Mailman anywhere. I am not a geek and know no python, so I am not going to start. Not free, but if you can afford $35 per year. Do not mind Mailman via cPanel (there are slight differences...) and can live with a strict 1,000 email per hour limit. For example, a discusion list with 100 members (assuming none are on digest) will hit the limit at 10 posts in one hour. Then check out the 'Tiny' package at A Small Orange http://asmallorange.com/hosting/ Very limited space for archives but should suffice for a text only list. They have larger plans with more space / bandwidth for more money but those also have the same 1,000 emails per hour limit. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] receive your own posts problem
On Thursday 11 April 2013, Joseph Brennan wrote: The solution, or workaround I would say, is to change the Message-ID. Possibly, a milter could do this on the way in on the Mailman host. Maybe add a fixed string to what's already there. However this might have some impact on non Gmail users that does not come to mind immediately, so I am NOT saying to do this. As long as it defaults off and is user selectable I think this would be a nice feature. Suggested similar in the past... It will break threading for those of us who want full Usenet style indented threading. Doubt that those who read mail in a web browser or read and delete will notice. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] receive your own posts problem
On Thursday 11 April 2013, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: No, by definition it's a nasty feature, as it involves nonconformance to RFC 5322. How so? I see two places in section 3.6.4. that suggest otherwise. A message identifier pertains to exactly one version of a particular message; subsequent revisions to the message each receive new message identifiers. So if a list adds a footer to the body of a message (many do) then that implies that the Message-ID /should/ be changed. Obviously Mailman does not want to break threading for no good reason. However fighting Gmail's annoying feature with a less annoying kludge is a good enough reason in my book. Just below, same section 3.6.4., top of page 25, In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender of the message wishes to convey (i.e., whether this is the same message or a different message) that determines whether or not the Message-ID: field changes, not any particular syntactic difference that appears (or does not appear) in the message. If the sender ticks the box telling Mailman to change the Message-ID then they get to take the heat. Other settings have brief descriptions / warnings so a sentence warning about breaking threading and the other issues you raise would not be out of place. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
On Sunday 27 January 2013, Ed Kasky wrote: I just did exactly what you are doing for the same reasons... I moved everything over to Asmallorange and so far I have been very happy. Long time ASO customer... They have a strict 1,000 emails per hour limit so a discussion list with 250 members would exceed this with as few as five posts in one hour. (Assuming no digest members.) AFAICT all size plans have the same limit. However, it *is* possible to split a single list between two separate plans. But yes, if you are not a spamer, can stay within the 1,000 per hour limit, and are not offended by Mailman via cPanel, ASO is hard to beat on price. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail features
On Thursday 09 August 2012, Lucio Crusca wrote: I'd only like to slap gmail in the face if I could, by working around their wonderful feature, just for the taste of feeling smarter than they pretend to be. All in all, what is hacking about if not that? Please do! Gmail user only because my ISP outsourced mail to them three years ago. Was helping a small discusion list move from an LSoft ListServe to Mailman at the time so suddenly missing my own posts back made testing impossible. Was infuriated when I discovered there was no way to turn this stupid feature off. My work around is to post through my web hosts mail server. Most people do not have this option so a setting in Mailman for other would be great. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?
On Thursday 21 January 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: The only control you have is to use Mailman filters on incoming posts. Until somebody tells us what headers Gmane provides to identify itself, we can only guess at what might work. X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Seems to be the most consistently used. I found examples in my personal archives of a gated list going back as far as 2003. Googling the header gets hits as recent as last month so it is still in use. They also add an, X-Complaints-To: header in the form of X-Complaints-To: usenet@'something'.gmane.org Where 'something' can be main, sea, or ger. Also various path headers and usually a message ID. None of these seem consistant enough to use for filtering. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, William Bagwell wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: John Fitzsimons wrote: Private archive file not found It translates to http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/myma il inglist.mbox where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list name of the form listname_mydomain. Note that mymailinglist.mbox appears twice, as a directory and a file. Mark, I can confirm what John is getting and am willing to post the real URL to the list and send the *user* password directly to you if necessary. (Its just a test list with two archived posts, both by myself) Moving this back to the list. A bit of odd behavior here with both Konqueror and Firefox. First, I know the example link to the tiny test list I sent you off list was slightly broken. (missing the first .mbox) And the fixed version you sent back worked perfectly. However, I noticed it had by passed the authentication screen due to my user name password being saved in cookies. Tried your 'corrected' link in a diffrent browser, got the authentication page, logged in with user name and password and promptly got the Private archive file not found error again. Looked at the URL and it was now missing the first .mbox. Opened a new tab, pasted in the full correct URL and it pulled down a complete archive. So, even when you know the exact location of the archives, something still tries to hide them. Now I just need to get brave and try editing them and see what breaks:) Want to thank John for asking and you for answering! While Gmane and gateways are interesting, they are way down on my list of priorities. Knowing the true location of archives is useful right now. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?
On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: John Fitzsimons wrote: Private archive file not found It translates to http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymail inglist.mbox where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list name of the form listname_mydomain. Note that mymailinglist.mbox appears twice, as a directory and a file. Mark, I can confirm what John is getting and am willing to post the real URL to the list and send the *user* password directly to you if necessary. (Its just a test list with two archived posts, both by myself) Oh 2.1.11.cp3 here. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archives query.
On Sunday 10 January 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: snip I should explain why I believe *this* feature doesn't really benefit Mailman itself. It requires destroying data, on behalf of people who almost by definition don't know exactly what they're doing. In some cases, doing this properly would require ensuring a fresh backup before removing that data, and that is something that the host administrator must do, and he should provide advice to the (naive) user before it is done. Respectively disagree. Even end users of a mailing list can download Gzip'd copies of the archives. The list owner can turn archiving off and the domain administrator (cPanel end user) can *delete* the entire list if they desire. What none of these people can do is simply edit the archives. Spam, blocks of older posts when the plan runs out of space, even Aunt Bee's secret pickle recipe all must await support at the hosting company to remove. Personally know more list owners I would trust with this task than level 1 support personal. Also believe this feature would be usefull for list owners of any flavor of Mailman. Guessing (hoping) cPanel would jump at the chance to pass it to their customers. Reducing support requests is also a good thing:) snip Now the legal obligation of cPanel is nil, and the ethical obligation is in some sense moot (we knew about this when we chose to contribute to a GPLed project). But since *we* *are* going try to help cPanel users who show up here, it would be really nice to have access to a reasonably fresh copy of those sources. They *must* come from a cPanel customer; the GPL does not permit us to just go out and grab them. That is something he may be able to do for us, if he wants to. If John F. has no luck with his hosting provider I will try mine. -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List is too moderated. :-(
On Thursday 07 January 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: Okay, I think I have messed up somewhere. Using version 2.1.11.cp3 I have setup new member applications to require approval. To avoid just anyone joining the list. That works fine. I get an email to allow/disallow them as subscribers. The problem however is that even though they become members I need to approve' each new email. How/where in the web interface do I set things up to block anyone subscribing themselves without my approval BUT once becoming a member to post without needing any further authorisation from me as administrator. With 2.1.12.cp3 it is Membership Management, Membership List, Set everyone's moderation bit... Set to Off And as Adam previously posted, Privacy options, What steps are required for subscription? Set to Require approval -- William -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
