Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Permission Denied

[Dennis Putnam]

On 2/25/2020 5:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/25/20 10:25 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>> So shouldn't 'check_perms -f' have fixed that?
>
> check_perms is not perfect. See below for more.
>
>
>> This is a server used strictly for mailman. There are only 2 users with
>> access so I am not worried about the caveat in that article. It looks
>> like you are giving me options and I am not sure what to do now?
>
> Either way works, but in your case, I would ensure
> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private is group mailman and mode is 2771.
> With this setting, check_perms will say
>
>> Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
>>  This could allow other users on your system to read private 
>> archives.
>>  If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
>>  installation manual on how to fix this.
> which you can ignore. The reason I suggest this is so you don't need to
> be concerned about the owner of /var/lib/mailman/archives/private
>
>
Got it. Thanks Mark.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Permission Denied

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/25/20 10:25 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:

> So shouldn't 'check_perms -f' have fixed that?


check_perms is not perfect. See below for more.


> This is a server used strictly for mailman. There are only 2 users with
> access so I am not worried about the caveat in that article. It looks
> like you are giving me options and I am not sure what to do now?


Either way works, but in your case, I would ensure
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private is group mailman and mode is 2771.
With this setting, check_perms will say

> Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
>  This could allow other users on your system to read private archives.
>  If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
>  installation manual on how to fix this.

which you can ignore. The reason I suggest this is so you don't need to
be concerned about the owner of /var/lib/mailman/archives/private

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Permission Denied

[Dennis Putnam]

On 2/25/2020 12:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/25/20 6:34 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
>> On 2/25/20 5:49 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>>> '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/rushtalk/2020-February.txt'
>>>
>>>   I ran check_perms and it found no issues. However, when I look at the
>>> ownership of the archives I get this:
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--.    1 root mailman   72404 Feb 16 14:26 2020-February.txt
>>>
>>> Shouldn't either the owner be mailman or permissions be -rw-rw-r--? TIA.
> ...
>> From what I am seeing with my own servers, the permissions should be 664.
>>
> That's true, but more importantly, /var/lib/mailman/ should be 2775 and
> group mailman as should all the sub-directories  archives, data, lists,
> locks, logs, qfiles and spam. /var/lib/mailman/archives/private is
> tricky. it should be group mailman and either 2771 or owned by the web
> server user and 2770. See
>  for more on this.
>
So shouldn't 'check_perms -f' have fixed that?

This is a server used strictly for mailman. There are only 2 users with
access so I am not worried about the caveat in that article. It looks
like you are giving me options and I am not sure what to do now?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Permission Denied

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/25/20 6:34 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> On 2/25/20 5:49 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>> '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/rushtalk/2020-February.txt'
>>
>>   I ran check_perms and it found no issues. However, when I look at the
>> ownership of the archives I get this:
>>
>> -rw-r--r--.    1 root mailman   72404 Feb 16 14:26 2020-February.txt
>>
>> Shouldn't either the owner be mailman or permissions be -rw-rw-r--? TIA.
> 
...
> From what I am seeing with my own servers, the permissions should be 664.
> 

That's true, but more importantly, /var/lib/mailman/ should be 2775 and
group mailman as should all the sub-directories  archives, data, lists,
locks, logs, qfiles and spam. /var/lib/mailman/archives/private is
tricky. it should be group mailman and either 2771 or owned by the web
server user and 2770. See
 for more on this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Permission Denied

[Brian Carpenter]

On 2/25/20 5:49 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/rushtalk/2020-February.txt'

  I ran check_perms and it found no issues. However, when I look at the
ownership of the archives I get this:

-rw-r--r--.    1 root mailman   72404 Feb 16 14:26 2020-February.txt

Shouldn't either the owner be mailman or permissions be -rw-rw-r--? TIA.


Hi Dennis,

I hope you are doing well.

From what I am seeing with my own servers, the permissions should be 664.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives Permission Denied

[Dennis Putnam]

I am in the process of migrating mailman to a new server. It seems to
have been done correctly but mailman is unable to write to the archive
files.

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/rushtalk/2020-February.txt'

 I ran check_perms and it found no issues. However, when I look at the
ownership of the archives I get this:

-rw-r--r--.    1 root mailman   72404 Feb 16 14:26 2020-February.txt

Shouldn't either the owner be mailman or permissions be -rw-rw-r--? TIA.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives are returning HTTP 403 (Forbidden)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/10/2017 08:22 PM, Dennis Carr wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:51:19 -0800
> Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> What's in your web server error log for these 403s?
> 
> AH01630: client denied by server
> configuration: /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ffml/, referer:
> http://www.chez-vrolet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ffml


The usual cause of this is upgrade from apache 2.2 to 2.4 necessitating
replacement of directives like

Order allow,deny
Allow from all

by

Require all granted


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives are returning HTTP 403 (Forbidden)

[Dennis Carr]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:51:19 -0800
Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> What's in your web server error log for these 403s?

AH01630: client denied by server
configuration: /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ffml/, referer:
http://www.chez-vrolet.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ffml

Time to do some debugging in that regard, methinks. Thanks for the
pointer, Mark.  Could, erm...could you point me to the documentation or
sample for a properly working Apache config?  =D

Now to stare down this Apache config

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives are returning HTTP 403 (Forbidden)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/10/17 11:45 AM, Dennis Carr wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 07:45:40 -0800
> Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>>
>> The /var/lib/mailman/archives/private directory itself must either be
>> o+x or owned by the web server user.
> 
> Confirmed, they are indeed o+x and owned by www-data, group 'list'.  


What's in your web server error log for these 403s?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives are returning HTTP 403 (Forbidden)

[Dennis Carr]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 07:45:40 -0800
Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 03/10/2017 06:56 AM, Dennis Carr wrote:
> > Of late, I've just received word that my archives are returning HTTP
> > 403 - forbidden.  So nobody can see them.
> 
> 
> If these are public archives, i.e. 'pipermail' URLs, see the Warning
> box at .
> 
> The /var/lib/mailman/archives/private directory itself must either be
> o+x or owned by the web server user.

Confirmed, they are indeed o+x and owned by www-data, group 'list'.  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives are returning HTTP 403 (Forbidden)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/10/2017 06:56 AM, Dennis Carr wrote:
> Of late, I've just received word that my archives are returning HTTP
> 403 - forbidden.  So nobody can see them.


If these are public archives, i.e. 'pipermail' URLs, see the Warning box
at .

The /var/lib/mailman/archives/private directory itself must either be
o+x or owned by the web server user.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives are returning HTTP 403 (Forbidden)

[Dennis Carr]

Of late, I've just received word that my archives are returning HTTP
403 - forbidden.  So nobody can see them.

Checking the file system, it doesn't appear to be a Linux issue
necessarily - permissions are set so anybody can read the directory. In
general, /var is set 755, /var/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman/archives
are set "sticky" for group and is root.list, and the archives
themselves are set 664 (and associated dirs are set 775 sticky), all
list.list.  

I'm a bit lost, and can use some direction here.  Help me out?

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] archives not migrated properly

[David Benfell]

Hi all,

I migrated from Linux to FreeBSD a few months ago and I'm just now
(yes, shame on me) noticing that my archives are broken. I've tried a
few things to fix this but I'm still getting 403 Forbidden.

First, here is the current Apache (2.4) configuration:

ServerAdmin benf...@parts-unknown.org
ServerName  mail.parts-unknown.org

# Indexes + Directory Root.
DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php
index.xhtml index.htm
DocumentRoot /var/www/mail.parts-unknown.org/

Include sites-available/parts-unknown.org-strip-www
Include sites-available/server-status-common

LogLevel debug

# CGI Directory
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
AllowOverride All
Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
Require all granted
/Directory
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
AllowOverride All
Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
Require all granted
/Directory
Alias /icons/ /usr/local/www/icons/
Directory /icons/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride All
Require all granted
/Directory
Directory /
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride All
/Directory
Directory /var/www/mail.parts-unknown.org/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride All
Require all granted
/Directory

Here is /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/:

home# ls -al /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

total 16
drwxrwsr-x  2 root  mailman  512 Nov 20 23:36 .
drwxrwsr-x  4 root  mailman  512 Aug 17 18:41 ..
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   18 Nov 20 22:56 mailman -
../private/mailman
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   29 Nov 20 22:56 philosophical-cafe -
../private/philosophical-cafe
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   19 Nov 20 22:56 thoughts -
../private/thoughts

And correspondingly,

home# ls -al /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/
total 72
drwxrws--x   9 root mailman   512 Nov 20 22:55 .
drwxrwsr-x   4 root mailman   512 Aug 17 18:41 ..
drwxrwsr-x  12 mailman  mailman  1024 Nov  3 03:27 benfell-committee
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 25  2014
benfell-committee.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 11  2014 mailman
drwxrwsr-x  12 mailman  mailman  1024 Nov  2 03:27 philosophicalcafe
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 12  2014
philosophicalcafe.mbox
drwxrwsr-x  12 mailman  mailman  1024 Nov  2 03:27 thoughts
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 24  2014 thoughts.mbox

The 403 Forbidden comes when I try to access any archive page via a
browser.

What am I missing?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives not migrated properly

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/20/2014 11:38 PM, David Benfell wrote:
 
 I migrated from Linux to FreeBSD a few months ago and I'm just now
 (yes, shame on me) noticing that my archives are broken. I've tried a
 few things to fix this but I'm still getting 403 Forbidden.
 
 First, here is the current Apache (2.4) configuration:
 
...
 # CGI Directory
 ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
 Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
 AllowOverride All
 Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
 Require all granted
 /Directory
 Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
 Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
 AllowOverride All
 Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
 Require all granted
 /Directory


I think the issue is +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch above. This should be just
+FollowSymLinks since the owners don't match.

...
 home# ls -al /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/  
   
 total 16
 drwxrwsr-x  2 root  mailman  512 Nov 20 23:36 .
 drwxrwsr-x  4 root  mailman  512 Aug 17 18:41 ..
 lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   18 Nov 20 22:56 mailman -
 ../private/mailman
 lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   29 Nov 20 22:56 philosophical-cafe -
 ../private/philosophical-cafe
 lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  mailman   19 Nov 20 22:56 thoughts -
 ../private/thoughts
 
 And correspondingly,
 
 home# ls -al /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/
 total 72
 drwxrws--x   9 root mailman   512 Nov 20 22:55 .
 drwxrwsr-x   4 root mailman   512 Aug 17 18:41 ..
 drwxrwsr-x  12 mailman  mailman  1024 Nov  3 03:27 benfell-committee
 drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 25  2014
 benfell-committee.mbox
 drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 11  2014 mailman
 drwxrwsr-x  12 mailman  mailman  1024 Nov  2 03:27 philosophicalcafe
 drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 12  2014
 philosophicalcafe.mbox
 drwxrwsr-x  12 mailman  mailman  1024 Nov  2 03:27 thoughts
 drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman   512 Apr 24  2014 thoughts.mbox
 
 The 403 Forbidden comes when I try to access any archive page via a
 browser.


If my analysis is correct, you should be able to access the private
benfell-committee archives OK, and actually be able to access any list's
archives via https://mail.parts-unknown.org/mailman/private/LISTNAME/

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[Mailman-Users] Archives stopped being created

[Walter Logeman]

Hi All

I looked at the archives for an active group we have and they stopped in Julyou.

The archives were set to yearly but appear to now show a monthly view.

Any ideas?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives stopped being created

[Mark Sapiro]

Walter Logeman wrote:

I looked at the archives for an active group we have and they stopped in 
Julyou.

The archives were set to yearly but appear to now show a monthly view.

Any ideas?


Check the list's Archiving Options settings. If that doesn't solve your
issue, make sure ArchRunner is running and check Mailman's error and
qrunner logs.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives not updating

[Robert (Bob) Hamilton]

Hello,

Back in 2005 I installed Mailman on a hosting server and until now 
the Archiving feature has worked flawlessly archiving all the 
messages sent to the list until January 27th, 2012 when it stopped. I 
have looked at all the setup features and everything is fine so I am 
not sure why this has happened as I have lots of unused space on the server.


I am hoping this is an easy fix as I am not very familiar with 
programming so if it does involves editing a script, I am almost 
useless. Anyone have a suggestion? The hosts only provide the program 
and not into solving problems with 3rd party software.


Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives not updating

[Mark Sapiro]

Robert (Bob) Hamilton wrote:

Back in 2005 I installed Mailman on a hosting server and until now 
the Archiving feature has worked flawlessly archiving all the 
messages sent to the list until January 27th, 2012 when it stopped. I 
have looked at all the setup features and everything is fine so I am 
not sure why this has happened as I have lots of unused space on the server.

I am hoping this is an easy fix as I am not very familiar with 
programming so if it does involves editing a script, I am almost 
useless. Anyone have a suggestion? The hosts only provide the program 
and not into solving problems with 3rd party software.


Is ArchRunner running? Have you tried stopping and starting (as opposed
to restarting) Mailman? Have you looked in Mailman's 'error' and
'qrunner' logs?

See items 6.b. and 8. in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives Display not Formatting Properly

[Tim O'Neal]

Friends,

I'm migrating my list server from Solaris 10 w/Apache 2.2.17 to RHEL 6 w/Apache 
2.2.19 (or .21).  For the life of me, I can't get the archive display to show 
anything other than what I've posted below (which is an Apache-httpd directory 
listing).  If I have my Apache directory options -Indexes, I don't get the 
listing at all, but if I have my Apache directory options +Indexes I get the 
listing below === (a standard apache directory listing).

What I want to get is the standard Mailman archives display as follows:

Everything else in my Mailman installation seems to work . using Postfix, 
etc.

BTW, I'm using Apache mpm-itk core because I'm using this web server with many 
different Apache virtual  hosts, which mpm-itk permits each virtual host to run 
within its own process/user/group, i.e. mailman/mailman.

Any thoughts?

TIA,

Tim
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[Mailman-Users] Archives Display Working Properly Now

[Tim O'Neal]

Many thanks and my apologies for asking an apparently non-Mailman question.

My solution was to use DirectoryIndex index.html  within the virtual host 
definition.
I had had the DirectoryIndex within as follows:

IfModule dir_module
   DirectoryIndex index.html 
/IfModule

This didn't seem to work.  It might have to do with my using the mpm-itk apache 
core!

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives Display not Formatting Properly

Friends,

I'm migrating my list server from Solaris 10 w/Apache 2.2.17 to RHEL 6 w/Apache 
2.2.19 (or .21).  For the life of me, I can't get the archive display to show 
anything other than what I've posted below (which is an Apache-httpd directory 
listing).  If I have my Apache directory options -Indexes, I don't get the 
listing at all, but if I have my Apache directory options +Indexes I get the 
listing below === (a standard apache directory listing).

What I want to get is the standard Mailman archives display as follows:

Everything else in my Mailman installation seems to work . using Postfix, 
etc.

BTW, I'm using Apache mpm-itk core because I'm using this web server with many 
different Apache virtual  hosts, which mpm-itk permits each virtual host to run 
within its own process/user/group, i.e. mailman/mailman.

Any thoughts?

TIA,

Tim
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[Mailman-Users] archives of sibling lists

[Lucio Chiappetti]

I have set up (for a transitory activity lasting about one month) a couple 
of lists (A and B) with real subscribers, and an umbrella list C with no 
members, but having A and B as sibling lists.


I have set up the lists with private archives.

Now it is clear that members of A or B can access the archives of the 
respective list, using their e-mail and password.


But who and how can access the archives of C ?
Ideally all members of A and C should

For some reason I can, but I'm the moderator and used the moderator 
passwords and probably there are some cookies that make the browser work 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives of sibling lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Lucio Chiappetti wrote:

I have set up (for a transitory activity lasting about one month) a couple 
of lists (A and B) with real subscribers, and an umbrella list C with no 
members, but having A and B as sibling lists.

I have set up the lists with private archives.

Now it is clear that members of A or B can access the archives of the 
respective list, using their e-mail and password.

But who and how can access the archives of C ?
Ideally all members of A and C should


Only members of C plus anyone who authenticates with the admin or
moderator password of C.

This is a drawback of using sibling lists this way. You could make C an
actual umbrella with A and B as members and then posts would be
archived in the A and B archives, but you then have the duplication
issues.


For some reason I can, but I'm the moderator and used the moderator 
passwords and probably there are some cookies that make the browser work 
anyhow.


Exactly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Link

[Dennis Putnam]

Sorry. It was half time during one of the NCCA games I was watching and
in my haste I left out some details.

The error is 403 with this URL:
http://myhost.mydomain.com/pipermail/listname/

I've made no changes intentionally (wouldn't check_perms catch problems
here). Here are the requisite directory listings:

ls -l /var/lib/mailman
drwxrwsr-x  4 mail mail 1024 2011-02-23 04:55 archives/

ls -l /var/lib/mailman/archives
drwxrws--- 6 mail mail 1024 2011-02-23 04:55 private/
drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 1024 2011-02-23 04:55 public/

On 3/20/2011 10:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Dennis Putnam wrote:
 For reasons unknown I am suddenly not at to access list archives (as
 admin). I ran check_perms but it found no problems and there is nothing
 in the logs. Can someone suggest a course of action to debug this? TIA.

 To what archive URL are you going and what happens when you go there?

 Did you recently change the archive from public to private and still
 using the public (pipermail) URL?

 Did you recently set the archives/private/ directory o-x without
 setting its owner to the web server user?





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Link

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis Putnam wrote:

The error is 403 with this URL:
http://myhost.mydomain.com/pipermail/listname/

[...]

ls -l /var/lib/mailman/archives
drwxrws--- 6 mail mail 1024 2011-02-23 04:55 private/
drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 1024 2011-02-23 04:55 public/


/var/lib/mailman/archives/private must be either o+x or owned by the
web server user. See the Warning box at
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives Link

[Dennis Putnam]

For reasons unknown I am suddenly not at to access list archives (as
admin). I ran check_perms but it found no problems and there is nothing
in the logs. Can someone suggest a course of action to debug this? TIA.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Link

[Adam McGreggor]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 08:50:47PM -0400, Dennis Putnam wrote:
 For reasons unknown I am suddenly not at to access list archives (as
 admin). I ran check_perms but it found no problems and there is nothing
 in the logs. 

Which logs?

 Can someone suggest a course of action to debug this? TIA.

curl -I http://lists.example.org/mailman/private/foo

curl -I http://lists.example.org/pipermail/baa/ 

and look at the HTTP status codes perhaps (whilst tailing the
webserver's {access,error}log ?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Link

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis Putnam wrote:

For reasons unknown I am suddenly not at to access list archives (as
admin). I ran check_perms but it found no problems and there is nothing
in the logs. Can someone suggest a course of action to debug this? TIA.


To what archive URL are you going and what happens when you go there?

Did you recently change the archive from public to private and still
using the public (pipermail) URL?

Did you recently set the archives/private/ directory o-x without
setting its owner to the web server user?

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[Mailman-Users] Archives heading without domain name

[Danny hendrawan]

Hi Mark and All,

I set my archives list to 'private' mainly to protect email addresses of 
members being disclosed on the heading. I've set my heading to replace '@' 
with 'at' but still this can be easilly taken by anyone. i.e. 'john at 
domain.com'

How to set the headings as per your Searchable Archives: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/   ? i.e. only shows 
member's name with domain name

Happy New New Year.

Regards,
Danny 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives heading without domain name

[Mark Sapiro]

Danny hendrawan da...@puterakembara.org wrote:

How to set the headings as per your Searchable Archives: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/   ? i.e. only
shows 
member's name with domain name


Use mail-archive.com as your list's archiver.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives! Two neat demos from my GSoC students

[Terri Oda]

As some of you may know, Mailman had a bunch of Google Summer of Code 
students working on our codebase via Systers, which hired students to do 
improvements on their Mailman-based list infrastructure.


I was mentoring for the project which worked on the archives, where we 
had two students, Yian Shang who worked on the web interface for the 
archives, and Priya Iyer who worked on integrating search.  They've 
produced some great demos that you all need to see, and some code that 
I'd really like to see integrated into Mailman 3.


I was going to forward their final summaries to the lists, but since 
they're quite long, here's the things I'd like you all to check out 
first and foremost.  There's two neat demos here!


#1:

Yian's been working on a variety of UI infrastructure improvements (note 
that in this case, she's working at the code to support the UI, not the 
graphics and theming, so this may not *look* fancy but it *behaves* 
really well)


Her threaded conversation demo is here:
http://dev.systers.org/pipermail/testing/all/conversation-3.html

and note that you can actually click through and read messages there, so 
try poking around those archives and see how you like them!


And you might be interested in hearing about the use cases that went 
into threading and quote detection that made that demo possible.  Many 
of you may have answered the surveys I sent out on her behalf which were 
used to generate these use cases!  She's got a whole series of posts on 
it, but here's one of interest:

http://movicont.nfshost.com/blog/mailman-archives-ui-added-automatically-detecting-quotes-support

#2:

Priya's search demo is here:
http://lists.priyakuber.in/cgi-bin/mailman/mailocate/search.py

She'd originally hoped to find and integrate an existing search package, 
but licensing proved to be an issue for upstream contribution, so she 
wound up implementing her own.  You can search a string, a phrase, 
wildcard searches with *, by author, by subject, and using some basic 
operators (AND OR NOT all work).  It's got a basic spell check, though 
she expects that will need to be improved.


The documentation is here: 
http://systers.org/systers-dev/doku.php/doumentation-priya
And the code is here: 
http://github.com/beachbrake/Mailocate/tree/master/demo/


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I've cc'ed mailman-users on this email since many people there contributed to 
the surveys we used to develop use-cases, but follow-ups should probably go to 
mailman-developers!


Terri

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

There's a lot in there so I attached it. Not sure if this list allows
attachments but I'll try here anyways.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
 Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:04 AM
 To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archives
 
 Young, Darren wrote:
 
  What is the timestamp if you do ls -ld here?
 
 [r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd
 /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive
 [r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -ld
 drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 20 16:04 .
 
 
 So your messages are reaching the archive queue (because it is being
 updated through Jan 20 16:04) and ArchRunner is processing the
 messages (because the queue is empty)
 
 What does
 
   ls -lAR /usr/local/mailman/archives/
 
 show?
 
 
 [...]
  One other thought. Is it possible that your test posts contain an
  X-No-Archive: header or an X-Archive: No header?
 I don't believe so but I'll check the headers to be sure.
 
 
 Since it appears posts are reaching the archive queue, this wouldn't
be
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Excerpted by M Sapiro

/usr/local/mailman/archives/:
total 36
drwxrws--x 813 mailman mailman 32768 Jan 21 16:01 private
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman mailman  4096 Jan 20 12:55 public

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private:
total 3256
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan  7 15:11 301_win2010
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Nov 24 10:01 301_win2010.mbox
[...]
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users.mbox
[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/301_win2010:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/301_win2010.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/career-wknd:
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 500 Jan 20 12:25 index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/career-wknd.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman:
total 8
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan  7 15:11 2009-June
drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan  7 15:11 database

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman/2009-June:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/perl-ad-manager-users:
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 531 Jan 20 12:26 index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/perl-ad-manager-users.mbox:
total 0

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Young, Darren wrote:

There's a lot in there so I attached it. Not sure if this list allows
attachments but I'll try here anyways.


The text/plain attachment was allowed, but the message was too big. I
trimmed the attachment leaving only a few relevant parts. See my
comments inline and at the end.



/usr/local/mailman/archives/:
total 36
drwxrws--x 813 mailman mailman 32768 Jan 21 16:01 private
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman mailman  4096 Jan 20 12:55 public

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private:
total 3256
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan  7 15:11 301_win2010
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Nov 24 10:01 301_win2010.mbox


There were many lists as above.


[...]
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users.mbox


And I think this is the list of interest.


[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/301_win2010:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/301_win2010.mbox:
total 0



Most lists are like this with no files.


[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/career-wknd:
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 500 Jan 20 12:25 index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/career-wknd.mbox:
total 0



But a few like the above have the default index.html


[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman:
total 8
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan  7 15:11 2009-June
drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan  7 15:11 database

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman/2009-June:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox:
total 0


And here, it liiks like at one time the mailman list actually had an
archived message, but it's gone.


[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/perl-ad-manager-users:
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 531 Jan 20 12:26 index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/perl-ad-manager-users.mbox:
total 0


And our list has the default index.html


[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public:
total 0


And there are no symlinks in archives/public.


Here's what I see - most lists do not have even the default 'empty'
index.html. For those few that do, the list's all seem to have been
created on or after Jan 20. Thus, I think issue # 1 is there is some
process that runs periodically (manually or via cron) that removes all
files or all files older than x from the archives/private/ directory.

Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I think
archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1

This is the only thing that explains the lack of symlink(s) in
archives/public for lists with public archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

 The text/plain attachment was allowed, but the message was too big. I
 trimmed the attachment leaving only a few relevant parts. See my
 comments inline and at the end.
I had a feeling it would be one or the other.

 
 [...]
 drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users
 drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-
 users.mbox
 
 
 And I think this is the list of interest.
Yes, that's the one.

 Here's what I see - most lists do not have even the default 'empty'
 index.html. For those few that do, the list's all seem to have been
 created on or after Jan 20. Thus, I think issue # 1 is there is some
 process that runs periodically (manually or via cron) that removes all
 files or all files older than x from the archives/private/ directory.
We have an automated (daily) process that generates class mailing lists,
I'm guessing on 1/20 a batch of them came through.

 
 Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I think
 archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with
 
 ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py. I
just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for it,
sorry, should grepped -i 'archive' in the tree.

Think I'm going to give up on this for them moment and use a Google
Group to archive the list. Thanks for all the help.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

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Young, Darren wrote:

 Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I think
 archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with

 ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py. I
just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for it,
sorry, should grepped -i 'archive' in the tree.


The Defaults.py setting is 2. If you want something different, it
should be in mm_cfg.py.

You need to restart Mailman after making these changes for them to be
effective.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

  Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I
think
  archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with
 
  ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
 Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py.
 I
 just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for it,
 sorry, should grepped -i 'archive' in the tree.
 
 
 The Defaults.py setting is 2. If you want something different, it
 should be in mm_cfg.py.
 
 You need to restart Mailman after making these changes for them to be
 effective.

Thanks, did that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

Yea, ArchRunner is running:

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ps -eaf | grep -i arch
mailman   2090  2077  0 Jan20 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s

/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive is empty:

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -l
total 0

I'll put in to have Mailman brought up to 2.1.x during a maintenance
window. 2.1.13 appears to be the latest in the 2.1.x series, would that
be the one to go with now?

Any other thoughts? Python version issues with archiving?

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:46 PM
 To: mailman-users@python.org; Young, Darren
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives
 
 Young, Darren wrote:
 
  Not much, close in all of them:
 
 
 As I said in another recent reply - If I had a nickel for every time
I
 didn't realize the obvious ... :)
 
 Is ArchRunner running? What's in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive?
 
 
  The only one that sticks out but was earlier:
 
  Jan 20 12:47:42 2009 (9809) admin.py access for non-existent list:
  daily-job-postings
  Jan 20 12:47:50 2009 (9813) admin.py access for non-existent list:
  daily-job-postings
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): Traceback (most recent call
 last):
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  main()
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  qrunner.run()
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 87, in run
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._cleanup()
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 220, in
  _cleanup
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 132, in
  _cleanup
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._register_bounces()
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 120, in
  _register_bounces
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  mlist.registerBounce(addr,
 msg,
  day=day)
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py, line 131, in registerBounce
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y',
 day +
  (0,)*6))
  Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): ValueError :  day of year out of
  range
 
 This is an incompatibility between Mailman 2.1.5 and older and Python
 2.4.x and newer. If you can't upgrade Mailman, the attached
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

 Just picking up on something, did you enable archiving before a
 post has been  sent; i.e., has archiving been set before 1 message
 has been sent to the list?
 
Yep, it was enabled first.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

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Young, Darren wrote:

Yea, ArchRunner is running:

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ps -eaf | grep -i arch
mailman   2090  2077  0 Jan20 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s


OK


/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive is empty:

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -l
total 0


What is the timestamp if you do ls -ld here?


I'll put in to have Mailman brought up to 2.1.x during a maintenance
window. 2.1.13 appears to be the latest in the 2.1.x series, would that
be the one to go with now?


Yes. 2.1.13 is the version to go with. It requires at least Python
2.4.x. There are some potential issues. If your current Mailman
version is 2.1.5 (or later), the migration is no problem at all, but
there is a potential compatibility issue with some Python 2.4.x
versions and possibly Python 2.5, but not 2.5.x. See the March 2009
update in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/pYA9. If your current
Mailman is older than 2.1.5, see the UPGRADING document in the 2.1.13
tarball or at
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emailman-coders/mailman/2.1/annotate/head%3A/UPGRADING


Any other thoughts? Python version issues with archiving?


I don't think any of this has anything to do with your archiving
problem. To summarize,
- for the list Archiving Options - archive is set to Yes (have you
verified this?)
- a post or posts were sent to the list and delivered to the list
members with archive set to Yes
- ArchRunner is running
- there's nothing in qfiles/archive
- there are no relevant errors in logs/error

I can't understand how all of the above can be true.

Are there other lists in this installation with archives? If so, does
archiving work for them?

One other thought. Is it possible that your test posts contain an
X-No-Archive: header or an X-Archive: No header?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

 What is the timestamp if you do ls -ld here?

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive
[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -ld
drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 20 16:04 .

 I don't think any of this has anything to do with your archiving
 problem. To summarize,
 - for the list Archiving Options - archive is set to Yes (have you
 verified this?)
Yes, it's there

 - a post or posts were sent to the list and delivered to the list
 members with archive set to Yes
Yep.

 - ArchRunner is running
Yep.

 - there's nothing in qfiles/archive
Nope.

 - there are no relevant errors in logs/error
Nope.

 I can't understand how all of the above can be true.
Me neither.

 
 Are there other lists in this installation with archives? If so, does
 archiving work for them?
No, we've never had archiving at all on any, just starting to try it now

 
 One other thought. Is it possible that your test posts contain an
 X-No-Archive: header or an X-Archive: No header?
I don't believe so but I'll check the headers to be sure.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

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Young, Darren wrote:

 What is the timestamp if you do ls -ld here?

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive
[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -ld
drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 20 16:04 .


So your messages are reaching the archive queue (because it is being
updated through Jan 20 16:04) and ArchRunner is processing the
messages (because the queue is empty)

What does

  ls -lAR /usr/local/mailman/archives/

show?


[...]
 One other thought. Is it possible that your test posts contain an
 X-No-Archive: header or an X-Archive: No header?
I don't believe so but I'll check the headers to be sure.


Since it appears posts are reaching the archive queue, this wouldn't be
the issue.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

I've enabled archives on a mailing list with the following:
archive = yes
archive_private = public
archive_volume_frequency = Monthly

And the /pipermail/ URL points to /usr/local/mailman/archives/public
(httpd.conf stuff):

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
AllowOverride All
Options Indexes 
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory

Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public
Options FollowSymLinks
/Directory

However, in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public there's no directories
and in the browser I get a URL not found error. I've posted a couple
messages to the list and they're being delivered to members so how/when
are the archives created?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Young, Darren wrote:

I've enabled archives on a mailing list with the following:
archive = yes
archive_private = public
archive_volume_frequency = Monthly
[...]
However, in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public there's no directories
and in the browser I get a URL not found error. I've posted a couple
messages to the list and they're being delivered to members so how/when
are the archives created?


There are no archives in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public. The
archives are in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private whether or not
they are public. For a public archive, there is also a symlink from
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/list to
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.

The initial 'empty' archive (just the
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list/index.html file and the
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.mbox/ directory) is created
when the list is created whether or not archiving is enabled.

There is probably some error in archiving resulting in log entries and
shunted messages destined for the archive. What's in Mailman's error
log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

The only thing in mailman/archive/private/perl-ad-manager-users is the
index.html. Not much in the logs:

[r...@bushlms01 logs]# grep perl-ad *
post:Jan 20 12:42:44 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5878,
message-id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu, success
post:Jan 20 12:55:51 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5892,
message-id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu, success
post:Jan 20 13:48:12 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5938,
message-id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu, success
smtp:Jan 20 12:26:23 2010 (2095)
mailman.0.1264011983.15826.perl-ad-manager-us...@lists.chicagobooth.edu
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.056 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 12:29:16 2010 (2095)
mailman.0.1264012155.15904.perl-ad-manager-us...@lists.chicagobooth.edu
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.086 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 12:29:33 2010 (2095)
mailman.0.1264012172.15909.perl-ad-manager-us...@lists.chicagobooth.edu
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.064 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 12:29:49 2010 (2095)
mailman.0.1264012188.15915.perl-ad-manager-us...@lists.chicagobooth.edu
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.063 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 13:04:16 2010 (2095)
mailman.0.1264014254.21806.perl-ad-manager-us...@lists.chicagobooth.edu
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.711 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 13:05:17 2010 (2095)
mailman.0.1264014315.2092.perl-ad-manager-us...@lists.chicagobooth.edu
smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.070 seconds
subscribe:Jan 20 12:27:37 2010 (15857) perl-ad-manager-users: new
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu , admin mass sub
subscribe:Jan 20 12:29:15 2010 (15904) perl-ad-manager-users: deleted
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu; member mgt page
subscribe:Jan 20 12:29:32 2010 (15909) perl-ad-manager-users: pending
Darren Young darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu  128.135.211.176
subscribe:Jan 20 12:29:48 2010 (15915) perl-ad-manager-users: new
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu Darren Young, via web confirmation
subscribe:Jan 20 13:04:14 2010 (21806) perl-ad-manager-users: pending
Dan dcut...@intelimedix.com  198.31.192.252
subscribe:Jan 20 13:05:15 2010 (2092) perl-ad-manager-users: new
dcut...@intelimedix.com Dan, via email confirmation
subscribe:Jan 20 13:47:30 2010 (28202) perl-ad-manager-users: new
perl-ad-manager-users+garchive-16...@googlegroups.com , admin mass
sub


 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives
 
 Young, Darren wrote:
 
 I've enabled archives on a mailing list with the following:
 archive = yes
 archive_private = public
 archive_volume_frequency = Monthly
 [...]
 However, in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public there's no directories
 and in the browser I get a URL not found error. I've posted a couple
 messages to the list and they're being delivered to members so
 how/when
 are the archives created?
 
 
 There are no archives in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public. The
 archives are in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private whether or not
 they are public. For a public archive, there is also a symlink from
 /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/list to
 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.
 
 The initial 'empty' archive (just the
 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list/index.html file and the
 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.mbox/ directory) is created
 when the list is created whether or not archiving is enabled.
 
 There is probably some error in archiving resulting in log entries and
 shunted messages destined for the archive. What's in Mailman's error
 log?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Young, Darren wrote:

The only thing in mailman/archive/private/perl-ad-manager-users is the
index.html. Not much in the logs:

[r...@bushlms01 logs]# grep perl-ad *


This string won't appear in the error log entries.

What's in Mailman's error log with timestamps close to these post log
entries?

post:Jan 20 12:42:44 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5878,
message-id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu, success
post:Jan 20 12:55:51 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5892,
message-id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu, success
post:Jan 20 13:48:12 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5938,
message-id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu, success

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

-events post from
steven.markov...@chicagogsb.edu held,
message-id=f43a507bae6195429a4033b630cce977dc2...@gsbhex1v.gsb.uchicago
.edu: Post by non-member to a members-only list
vette:Jan 20 12:48:54 2009 (1418) Ptstu-grp-events post from
steven.markov...@chicagogsb.edu held,
message-id=f43a507bae6195429a4033b630cce977dc2...@gsbhex1v.gsb.uchicago
.edu: Post by non-member to a members-only list
vette:Jan 20 12:48:57 2009 (1418) Phdstu-grp-events post from
steven.markov...@chicagogsb.edu held,
message-id=f43a507bae6195429a4033b630cce977dc2...@gsbhex1v.gsb.uchicago
.edu: Post by non-member to a members-only list
vette:Jan 20 12:48:59 2009 (1418) Systu-grp-events post from
steven.markov...@chicagogsb.edu held,
message-id=f43a507bae6195429a4033b630cce977dc2...@gsbhex1v.gsb.uchicago
.edu: Post by non-member to a members-only list

The only one that sticks out but was earlier:

Jan 20 12:47:42 2009 (9809) admin.py access for non-existent list:
daily-job-postings
Jan 20 12:47:50 2009 (9813) admin.py access for non-existent list:
daily-job-postings
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): Traceback (most recent call last):
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  main()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  qrunner.run()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 87, in run
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._cleanup()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 220, in
_cleanup
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 132, in
_cleanup
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._register_bounces()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 120, in
_register_bounces
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg,
day=day)
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py, line 131, in registerBounce
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day +
(0,)*6))
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): ValueError :  day of year out of
range
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:14 PM
 To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archives
 
 Young, Darren wrote:
 
 The only thing in mailman/archive/private/perl-ad-manager-users is
the
 index.html. Not much in the logs:
 
 [r...@bushlms01 logs]# grep perl-ad *
 
 
 This string won't appear in the error log entries.
 
 What's in Mailman's error log with timestamps close to these post log
 entries?
 
 post:Jan 20 12:42:44 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
 darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5878,
 message-
 id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
 go.edu, success
 post:Jan 20 12:55:51 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
 darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5892,
 message-
 id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
 go.edu, success
 post:Jan 20 13:48:12 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
 darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5938,
 message-
 id=07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
 go.edu, success
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Young, Darren wrote:

 Not much, close in all of them:


As I said in another recent reply - If I had a nickel for every time I
didn't realize the obvious ... :)

Is ArchRunner running? What's in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive?


 The only one that sticks out but was earlier:
 
 Jan 20 12:47:42 2009 (9809) admin.py access for non-existent list:
 daily-job-postings
 Jan 20 12:47:50 2009 (9813) admin.py access for non-existent list:
 daily-job-postings
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): Traceback (most recent call last):
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ?
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  main()
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  qrunner.run()
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 87, in run
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._cleanup()
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 220, in
 _cleanup
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 132, in
 _cleanup
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._register_bounces()
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py, line 120, in
 _register_bounces
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg,
 day=day)
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py, line 131, in registerBounce
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day +
 (0,)*6))
 Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): ValueError :  day of year out of
 range

This is an incompatibility between Mailman 2.1.5 and older and Python
2.4.x and newer. If you can't upgrade Mailman, the attached
Bouncer.py.patch will fix it.

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=== modified file 'Mailman/Bouncer.py'
--- Mailman/Bouncer.py  2004-10-22 07:01:30 +
+++ Mailman/Bouncer.py  2004-12-04 05:01:12 +
@@ -128,7 +128,7 @@
 # We've already scored any bounces for this day, so ignore it.
 syslog('bounce', '%s: %s already scored a bounce for date %s',
self.internal_name(), member,
-   time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6))
+   time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,0,0,0,1,0)))
 # Continue to check phase below
 else:
 # See if this member's bounce information is stale.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Adam McGreggor]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 01:38:49PM -0600, Young, Darren wrote:
 I've enabled archives on a mailing list with the following:
 archive = yes
 archive_private = public

 However, in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public there's no directories
 and in the browser I get a URL not found error. I've posted a couple
 messages to the list and they're being delivered to members so how/when
 are the archives created?

Just picking up on something, did you enable archiving before a 
post has been  sent; i.e., has archiving been set before 1 message
has been sent to the list?

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[Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Brian Carpenter]

Hello MM Community

 

I was notified by a client that his archives for his list was not showing
up. When I investigated, I found out all of his archive index pages are
blank, i.e. file size 0. He has 13 lists. The server he is on is a shared
hosting server with other mailman lists (cpanel environment). However this
issue did not affect any other clients. What in the world could have zeroed
out his archive index page (index.html) on all of his lists? Any ideas?

 

Needless to say I am quite concerned and confused.

 

Thanks.

 

Regards,

Brian Carpenter

EMWD.com

 



http://blog.emwd.com/
Curious comments from a web hosting techie

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Carpenter wrote:

I was notified by a client that his archives for his list was not showing
up. When I investigated, I found out all of his archive index pages are
blank, i.e. file size 0. He has 13 lists. The server he is on is a shared
hosting server with other mailman lists (cpanel environment). However this
issue did not affect any other clients. What in the world could have zeroed
out his archive index page (index.html) on all of his lists? Any ideas?


Is it only the archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html files that are
null? Is everything else in the archives/private/LISTNAME/ directories
as it should be including the files in
archives/private/LISTNAME/database?

The archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html file is rewritten with every
post and never with no data unless the archtoc.html (or
archtocnombox.html) and arctocentry.html templates are empty.

Is there anything in Mailman's error log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Brian Carpenter]

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
 Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:45 PM
 To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank
 
 Brian Carpenter wrote:
 
 I was notified by a client that his archives for his list was not
 showing
 up. When I investigated, I found out all of his archive index pages
 are
 blank, i.e. file size 0. He has 13 lists. The server he is on is a
 shared
 hosting server with other mailman lists (cpanel environment). However
 this
 issue did not affect any other clients. What in the world could have
 zeroed
 out his archive index page (index.html) on all of his lists? Any
 ideas?
 
 
 Is it only the archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html files that are
 null? Is everything else in the archives/private/LISTNAME/ directories
 as it should be including the files in
 archives/private/LISTNAME/database?
 
 The archives/private/LISTNAME/index.html file is rewritten with every
 post and never with no data unless the archtoc.html (or
 archtocnombox.html) and arctocentry.html templates are empty.
 
 Is there anything in Mailman's error log?
 
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Hi Mark,

I think I figured out what the problem is. cPanel in its latest release is
now calculating the disk space used by an account's mailing list(s). The
error message I found regarding this particular user was disk quoted
exceeded messages. The problem here is this particular user is only using
60% of his allotted disk space. That seems to be a problem with cPanel's
implementation of this new feature.

What seems to be a bug in mailman however is the nulling out of the
index.html page when this particular error occurs. Here is the complete
error message in the error log:

Jan 07 17:19:06 2010 (7341) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line
120, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line
191, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py,
line 73, in _dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py,
line 216, in ArchiveMail
h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py,
line 580, in processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py,
line 621, in add_article
filename))
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py,
line 1119, in write_article
f.close()
IOError: [Errno 122] Disk quota exceeded

Brian
EMWD.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Index Page Blank

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Carpenter wrote:

I think I figured out what the problem is. cPanel in its latest release is
now calculating the disk space used by an account's mailing list(s). The
error message I found regarding this particular user was disk quoted
exceeded messages. The problem here is this particular user is only using
60% of his allotted disk space. That seems to be a problem with cPanel's
implementation of this new feature.

What seems to be a bug in mailman however is the nulling out of the
index.html page when this particular error occurs. Here is the complete
error message in the error log:


Mailman can't control this. Mailman opens the file for output in order
to write the new index. This sets the file size to zero. It then
writes the file which writes are buffered and finally closes the file
resulting in a physical write attempt to the disk which is denied by
the OS for Disk quota exceeded which leaves the file at zero size.

If there is a bug anywhere (besides the obvious one of wrongly thinking
the user is over quota), it is the OS allowing the file to be
truncated when it thinks the user is over quota and therefore won't
allow the actual write. I.e. the OS could disallow the open for output
when it thinks the user is over quota, but Mailman doesn't know
anything about this. It just does what any process would do to open a
file for output and write its new contents until the OS shoots it down.


Jan 07 17:19:06 2010 (7341) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line
120, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line
191, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py,
line 73, in _dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py,
line 216, in ArchiveMail
h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py,
line 580, in processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a)
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py,
line 621, in add_article
filename))
  File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py,
line 1119, in write_article
f.close()
IOError: [Errno 122] Disk quota exceeded


Actually, this traceback is not from truncating the TOC. This is a
failure to write the article html file. This time it didn't get as far
as trying to update the TOC. It appears that a prior attempt succeeded
in writing an article, but writing the TOC failed, but that seems
really strange since I would think that could happen at most once to
one TOC before article writes started failing as above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets(Mailman2.1.11)

[Stefan Förster]

* Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
 
 Mark Sapiro writes:
 
 add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr')
 
 Shouldn't this probably be default by now?
 
 
 Yes, it should. But, we have superstitious beliefs that something
 unintended will be broken by this. Yet, I continue to suggest it as a
 workaround, and I've never recieved a report of a problem, so I will
 at least test it as default for Mailman 2.2.

If changing a language definition like that, doesn't that mean one
will have to change the various predefined template files, all message
codes for that language and after that recreate the archive files?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets(Mailman2.1.11)

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Stefan Förster writes:

  If changing a language definition like that, doesn't that mean one
  will have to change the various predefined template files, all message
  codes for that language and after that recreate the archive files?

Normally, yes.  But this is *English*.  It's reasonably likely that
the template files etc. are already 100% ASCII, encoded in ASCII, and
thus encoded in UTF-8.

Recreating the archive files, yes.  But they're most likely currently
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets (Mailman2.1.11)

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:

  add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr')

Shouldn't this probably be default by now?  I'm usually pretty
hesitant to mess with existing defaults, but as I understand this
there's actually corrupt data in the .txt files.  This can be a real
headache for people using cPanel or whatever, right?

  One thing to be aware of though is that although the monthly .txt files
  look like .mbox files, they don't contain complete message headers. In
  particular, even though the character set may now be utf-8 or koi8-r,
  there are no content-type or other headers in the file to so
  indicate.

Bad Pipermail!  Baad, baaad Pipermail!  Or am I missing something?
Shouldn't the .txt files have a simple text/plain;charset=WHATEVER
MIME Content-Type?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets(Mailman2.1.11)

[Mark Sapiro]

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Mark Sapiro writes:

  add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr')

Shouldn't this probably be default by now?


Yes, it should. But, we have superstitious beliefs that something
unintended will be broken by this. Yet, I continue to suggest it as a
workaround, and I've never recieved a report of a problem, so I will
at least test it as default for Mailman 2.2.


  One thing to be aware of though is that although the monthly .txt files
  look like .mbox files, they don't contain complete message headers. In
  particular, even though the character set may now be utf-8 or koi8-r,
  there are no content-type or other headers in the file to so
  indicate.

Bad Pipermail!  Baad, baaad Pipermail!  Or am I missing something?
Shouldn't the .txt files have a simple text/plain;charset=WHATEVER
MIME Content-Type?


The issue is the .txt files for public archives are served directly by
the web browser, not through a Mailman CGI, so it's entirely up to the
web browser to specify the charset.

We could put a Content-Type: at the head of the file, but in most
cases, this would just be served as part of the text. Still, it would
be useful information for the recipient, so I will look at that too.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets(Mailman2.1.11)

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Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:


Mark Sapiro writes:


add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr')


Shouldn't this probably be default by now?



Yes, it should. But, we have superstitious beliefs that something
unintended will be broken by this. Yet, I continue to suggest it as a
workaround, and I've never recieved a report of a problem, so I will
at least test it as default for Mailman 2.2.


+1 for making this the default in 2.2 (and 3.0).  I do have concerns  
about changing this in 2.1 just because it's /potentially/ risky and  
we should be ultra-conservative with the 2.1 tree.


BARRY

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets(Mailman2.1.11)

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Barry Warsaw writes:
  On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

   Yes, it should. But, we have superstitious beliefs that something
   unintended will be broken by [setting the default encoding to
   UTF-8].

Oh, me too! The Ghost of Charsets Past will undoubtedly rise up to
remind us of our sins. ;-)

  we should be ultra-conservative with the 2.1 tree.

Yes indeed.  But that shouldn't be a constraint for 2.2 and definitely
not for 3.0.
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[Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets (Mailman 2.1.11)

[Drew Tenenholz]

Guys --

I have a problem with the monthly archives from Mailman 2.1.11 (using 
Pipermail 0.09 [default]) and wonder if there is any help available. 
I've read several FAQs, but no luck in understanding the problem yet.


The list is a announce-only type in Russian (Cyrillic), but the 
default language is set to English (so I can read the admin pages and 
complete the necessary tasks).  As I believe Mark mentioned before, 
this means that the messages themselves (sent by the Russian 
Moderator team using Outlook Express or webmail and either 
windows-1251 or KOI8-R encondings) arrive at Mailman and are 
distributed in email as with their original encodings.  However, the 
mailman archive in this configuration seems to save the messages as 
HTML entity codes which display fine in the Mailman archive as single 
messages, but are unreadable once they get to the monthly archive 
(all ?).


1) What can be done to get the monthly archive in a readable format?
2) Is there any way to correct the existing monthly archives?

Thanks in Advance (and have a good weekend),
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and International Character Sets (Mailman2.1.11)

[Mark Sapiro]

Drew Tenenholz wrote:

The list is a announce-only type in Russian (Cyrillic), but the 
default language is set to English (so I can read the admin pages and 
complete the necessary tasks).  As I believe Mark mentioned before, 
this means that the messages themselves (sent by the Russian 
Moderator team using Outlook Express or webmail and either 
windows-1251 or KOI8-R encondings) arrive at Mailman and are 
distributed in email as with their original encodings.  However, the 
mailman archive in this configuration seems to save the messages as 
HTML entity codes which display fine in the Mailman archive as single 
messages, but are unreadable once they get to the monthly archive 
(all ?).


By monthly archive, I assume you mean the .txt and/or .txt.gz files. Is
that correct?


1) What can be done to get the monthly archive in a readable format?


Either set the list's preferred language to Russian (and navigate
through the admin pages by position), or set Mailman's character set
for English to UTF-8 by putting the following line in mm_cfg.py.

add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr')


2) Is there any way to correct the existing monthly archives?


The messages in the cumulative
archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file are all in their
original charset and encoding, so if you do 1), you can then rebuild
the archive with bin/arch --wipe and that will rebuild the .txt files
with the new charset.

One thing to be aware of though is that although the monthly .txt files
look like .mbox files, they don't contain complete message headers. In
particular, even though the character set may now be utf-8 or koi8-r,
there are no content-type or other headers in the file to so indicate.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives Sort Order

[Johnny Stork]

Is there any way to force the sort order in the archives to show the 
most recent at the top, rather than at the bottom?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Sort Order

[Mark Sapiro]

Johnny Stork wrote:

Is there any way to force the sort order in the archives to show the 
most recent at the top, rather than at the bottom?


Not without modifying pipermail which would be a daunting task only for
the extremely courageous.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives not accessible

[jewel . brueggeman-makda]

I was able to get the hostname resolved by running the fix_url script. 
Now I am running into a new problem. I am not able to access the
archives of the lists I just created.  The first list says Forbidden -
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/jewel/ on this server.
My second list is my 'mailman' list which when I click on archives it
jumps back to the listinfo page.  Below are my permissions.

Permissions under /archives...
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 .
drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 ..
drwxrws---  6 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 private
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 public

Permissions under lists...
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 .
drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 ..
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:19 jewel
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:18 mailman

Permissions under list 'jewel'...
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:19 .
drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 ..
-rw-rw---x 1 apache  mailman 3738 Oct 22 10:19 config.pck
-rw-rw 1 apache  mailman 3713 Oct 22 10:19 config.pck.last

Permissions under list 'mailman'...
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 10:18 .
drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 ..
-rw-rw 1 apache  mailman 3713 Oct 22 10:18 config.pck
-rw-rw 1 apache  mailman 3717 Oct 22 10:18 config.pck.last

Everytime I run check_perms -f is says no problems found.

Mark, thank you so far for all of your previous help, everything you
have sent me has worked!  This listserv is wonderful.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives not accessible

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was able to get the hostname resolved by running the fix_url script. 
Now I am running into a new problem. I am not able to access the
archives of the lists I just created.  The first list says Forbidden -
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/jewel/ on this server.
My second list is my 'mailman' list which when I click on archives it
jumps back to the listinfo page.  Below are my permissions.

Permissions under /archives...
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 .
drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 14 15:30 ..
drwxrws---  6 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 private
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 22 09:32 public


Did you get this message from check_perms

Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
 This could allow other users on your system to read private
archives.
 If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
 installation manual on how to fix this.

and fix it by chmod o-x archives/private or something similar. This
is not complete. The web server needs to be able to search the
archives/private directory for poblic archives because the pipermail
alias points to archives/public which contains symlinks into
archives/private.

As it says in the installation manual at
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html, if you do chmod o-x
archives/private, you must also do chown web-server-user
archives/private where web-server-user is the user your web server
runs as.

As far as your mailman list jumping back to the listinfo page is
concerned, in a previous post in this thread I suggested you put

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$  /mailman/listinfo

in your httpd.conf. It appears that you have somewhere in httpd.conf or
an included file (from httpd/conf.d/ ?)

RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$  /mailman/listinfo

It needs to be anchored as the first one above (the ^). Otherwise any
URL that ends in /mailman or /mailman/ will redirect to the
listinfo page.

snip

Mark, thank you so far for all of your previous help, everything you
have sent me has worked!  This listserv is wonderful.


Thanks for the appreciation. I'm glad to help, but I must point out
that listserv(r) is a registered trademark that refers to a specific
software product that is not Mailman. It is not a generic term for
email list even though it is often misused that way. See
http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives generation on new server

[Manuel Goepfert]

Hi Mark,

 I suspect the issue is that the archive pages are in one character set
(iso-8859-1 ?) and the web server is declaring them to be something
else (utf-8 ?).

I was not clear in my initial email.

Actually already when generating my archives with bin/arch I have some
problems, the accents are not properly handled meaning I find the current
date/time in emails that are back in 2005 just because the month in the
header contains a é for example.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives generation on new server

[Mark Sapiro]

Manuel Goepfert wrote:

Actually already when generating my archives with bin/arch I have some
problems, the accents are not properly handled meaning I find the current
date/time in emails that are back in 2005 just because the month in the
header contains a é for example.


Date: headers should not be localized. See section 3.3 of RFC 2822
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html.

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[Mailman-Users] archives generation on new server

[Manuel Goepfert]

Hi Everybody,

I'm currently moving to a new server my lists. Old version is 2.1.7 new
version is 2.1.9

While moving the lists themself is really easy, I have an issue with the
archives. It seems that the accents like éèà are not properly handled.

The content-type from the headers is charset=ISO-8859-1

I've tryed to google or look into the FAQ without success so far, if you
could point me to a page or advice how i could proceed ?

Many thanks

Manuel

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives generation on new server

[Mark Sapiro]

Manuel Goepfert wrote:

While moving the lists themself is really easy, I have an issue with the
archives. It seems that the accents like éèà are not properly handled.

The content-type from the headers is charset=ISO-8859-1

I've tryed to google or look into the FAQ without success so far, if you
could point me to a page or advice how i could proceed ?


I suspect the issue is that the archive pages are in one character set
(iso-8859-1 ?) and the web server is declaring them to be something
else (utf-8 ?). If this is Apache, see the AddDefaultCharset directive.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Mark Sapiro]

Rob Brandt wrote:

In any case, I changed it to:

Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all
 Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
/Directory

restarted apache and it's still Forbidden.


And Bob Eager wrote (with a 'digest' subject):

Who owns the folders? They (and contents) need to be readable by the user
under which the web server runs. I was bitten by this last week...


Good point. In particular, the archives/private/ directory itself must
either be world searchable or owned by the web server user. A possible
mistake is to see the warning about o+x from check_perms and set o-x
without changing ownership per the installation manual. See the
warning box at http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html.

And if that isn't the solution, please report what's in the apache
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Rob Brandt]

Yes that did it!  I had all the folders set correctly *except* for the 
/private folder itself.  Changing that from root to www-data did it for me.


Thanks!

Rob


Mark Sapiro wrote, On 6/9/2008 7:28 AM:

Rob Brandt wrote:


In any case, I changed it to:

Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
/Directory

restarted apache and it's still Forbidden.



And Bob Eager wrote (with a 'digest' subject):


Who owns the folders? They (and contents) need to be readable by the user
under which the web server runs. I was bitten by this last week...



Good point. In particular, the archives/private/ directory itself must
either be world searchable or owned by the web server user. A possible
mistake is to see the warning about o+x from check_perms and set o-x
without changing ownership per the installation manual. See the
warning box at http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html.

And if that isn't the solution, please report what's in the apache
error_log for the forbidden access.



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[Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Rob Brandt]

I have a new installation I'm testing.  I'm on a fresh install of 
ubuntu, mailman compiled from scratch.


Mostly working now, but the mailing list public archives are show as 
forbidden in my browser.  The data is actually there in the folders, 
stored in private and symlinked to public.  I've run permissions check 
and everything is OK (it says).  What's my trouble?  When I browse to 
the pipermail folder it doesn't even list the public  private folders. 
 Public (at least) is set to read by all.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

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On 6/8/08, Rob Brandt wrote:


 Mostly working now, but the mailing list public archives are show as
 forbidden in my browser.  The data is actually there in the folders,
 stored in private and symlinked to public.  I've run permissions check
 and everything is OK (it says).  What's my trouble?


Is your web server configured to follow symlinks?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Rob Brandt]

Yes, in apache2.conf, I have:

Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
/Directory

I tried it without the trailing slash on the path too.

Rob

Brad Knowles wrote:

On 6/8/08, Rob Brandt wrote:


 Mostly working now, but the mailing list public archives are show as
 forbidden in my browser.  The data is actually there in the folders,
 stored in private and symlinked to public.  I've run permissions check
 and everything is OK (it says).  What's my trouble?


Is your web server configured to follow symlinks?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

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Rob Brandt wrote:

Yes, in apache2.conf, I have:

Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
/Directory

Do you implicitly not allow your access? You might need

Order allow,deny
Allow from all

inside the Directory section if you have a Deny on a superordinate
directory.

What's in apache's error_log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Rob Brandt]

Not intentionally, and I just combed through the conf files and see no 
reference.  In any case, I changed it to:


Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
/Directory

restarted apache and it's still Forbidden.

Rob

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Rob Brandt wrote:


Yes, in apache2.conf, I have:

Directory /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
/Directory


Do you implicitly not allow your access? You might need

Order allow,deny
Allow from all

inside the Directory section if you have a Deny on a superordinate
directory.

What's in apache's error_log?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Steven Stern]

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On 06/08/2008 05:30 PM, Rob Brandt wrote:
| I have a new installation I'm testing.  I'm on a fresh install of
| ubuntu, mailman compiled from scratch.
|
| Mostly working now, but the mailing list public archives are show as
| forbidden in my browser.  The data is actually there in the folders,
| stored in private and symlinked to public.  I've run permissions check
| and everything is OK (it says).  What's my trouble?  When I browse to
| the pipermail folder it doesn't even list the public  private folders.
|  Public (at least) is set to read by all.
|
| Rob



Is Ubuntu using SELinux?  If so, you'll probably need to use audit2allow
to create aplicy to allow it to read the archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Rob Brandt]

Hey, maybe so.  I wasn't aware of it, but the packages
libselinux1 2.0.55-0ubuntu4 and
libsepol1 2.0.20-0ubuntu3
are installed.  I'll look in to it.

Rob

Steven Stern wrote:

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On 06/08/2008 05:30 PM, Rob Brandt wrote:
| I have a new installation I'm testing.  I'm on a fresh install of
| ubuntu, mailman compiled from scratch.
|
| Mostly working now, but the mailing list public archives are show as
| forbidden in my browser.  The data is actually there in the folders,
| stored in private and symlinked to public.  I've run permissions check
| and everything is OK (it says).  What's my trouble?  When I browse to
| the pipermail folder it doesn't even list the public  private folders.
|  Public (at least) is set to read by all.
|
| Rob



Is Ubuntu using SELinux?  If so, you'll probably need to use audit2allow
to create aplicy to allow it to read the archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Forbidden

[Rob Brandt]

although selinux itself isn't installed...

Rob Brandt wrote:

Hey, maybe so.  I wasn't aware of it, but the packages
libselinux1 2.0.55-0ubuntu4 and
libsepol1 2.0.20-0ubuntu3
are installed.  I'll look in to it.

Rob

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On 06/08/2008 05:30 PM, Rob Brandt wrote:
| I have a new installation I'm testing.  I'm on a fresh install of
| ubuntu, mailman compiled from scratch.
|
| Mostly working now, but the mailing list public archives are show as
| forbidden in my browser.  The data is actually there in the folders,
| stored in private and symlinked to public.  I've run permissions check
| and everything is OK (it says).  What's my trouble?  When I browse to
| the pipermail folder it doesn't even list the public  private folders.
|  Public (at least) is set to read by all.
|
| Rob



Is Ubuntu using SELinux?  If so, you'll probably need to use audit2allow
to create aplicy to allow it to read the archives.

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[Mailman-Users] archives

[Melinda Gilmore]

Is there a way to automate deletion by size of archives through mailman.
Has anyone done that out there.  I want to delete any archives that have
grown large in size by date preferrably.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives

[Brad Knowles]

Melinda Gilmore wrote:


Is there a way to automate deletion by size of archives through mailman.


Not with the standard software we ship, no.


Has anyone done that out there.  I want to delete any archives that have
grown large in size by date preferrably.


Check the patches page on SourceForge to see if anyone has uploaded a script 
to do that sort of thing.


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[Mailman-Users] Archives for a single list mysteriously stopped

[Chris Waltham]

I have a list which is still passing messages correctly (the list is  
moderated) but messages are not appearing in the archives since March  
19, 2008. And, no, I don't think I changed anything on that day. :-)

A simple check_perms reports no issues at all, and archives for  
other lists are functioning correctly. I can view the archives of the  
list I'm having problems with -- so I don't think it's an Apache  
problem -- but messages sent to the list since March 19 don't appear  
in the archive. FWIW, here is the size of the archive:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] private]# du -ksh ams-*
18M ams-announce
4.2Mams-announce.mbox

Here are the archive settings for the list:

# List traffic archival policies.
archive = 1
# Is archive file source for public or private archival?
archive_private = 0
# How often should a new archive volume be started?
archive_volume_frequency = 1

I just ran a arch --wipe ams-announce, and that seems to have fixed  
the problem as a test message I sent this morning now appears in the  
archives; as does other mail that was sent after March 19th and before  
today. Just out of interest, what kind of things could stop an archive  
from suddenly stopping? Bad HTML/MIME in a message?

Thanks,


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives for a single list mysteriously stopped

[Mark Sapiro]

Chris Waltham wrote:

I just ran a arch --wipe ams-announce, and that seems to have fixed  
the problem as a test message I sent this morning now appears in the  
archives; as does other mail that was sent after March 19th and before  
today. Just out of interest, what kind of things could stop an archive  
from suddenly stopping? Bad HTML/MIME in a message?


No. If it was a bad message, the message would still have been in the
archives/private/ams-announce.mbox/ams-announce.mbox file, and arch
--wipe would have encountered the same problem.

It was more likely a corrupt archives/private/ams-announce/database/*
or archives/private/ams-announce/pipermail.pck file.

I would expect to find lots of errors and tracebacks in Mailman's error
log related to this problem.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives not showing complete email message

[Paul Key]

Hi

I am also getting the following where the body of an email should be in 
the list archives:

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-- next part 
--
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 4631 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : 
http://server-name/mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg
 
http://mailman.sghms.ac.uk/mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg

The URL actually works and links to a small corporate JPEG conatined in 
the email.

I have seen the thread Mailman and UTF8 in the mailman-users archive 
but couldn't fathom an answer and not sure about applying the patch.

Is there anyway of getting list messages such as this to appear readable 
in the list archives?

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives not showing complete email message

[Mark Sapiro]

Paul Key wrote:

I am also getting the following where the body of an email should be in 
the list archives:

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-- next part 
--
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 4631 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : 
http://server-name/mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg
 

The URL actually works and links to a small corporate JPEG conatined in 
the email.

I have seen the thread Mailman and UTF8 in the mailman-users archive 
but couldn't fathom an answer and not sure about applying the patch.

Is there anyway of getting list messages such as this to appear readable 
in the list archives?


This may be a bug, or it may be a defective message. In any case, I
would like to see the message.

Please do the following:

Look at the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and find
the message. Copy the entire message from the .mbox file. If you wish
to elid the actual body parts except for a line or two, that's OK, but
keep all message headers and boundaries and sub-part headers intact.

Then either post that raw message text here or send it to me off list.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives

[Dave Foran]

Allow me to ask this regarding Archives

As stated I have some lists I created to replace what was being done by
Smartlist, and the SmartList archive is extensive..  One going back maybe 8
years.

Is there a feasible way to import the old archives into MailMan archives in
some fashion ??

I Guess I would like to have a yealry volume..

THANKS 

Dave
 



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is it possible to delete Archives from a MailMan List when it is run by
cPanel (and how)??


It depends on whether or not you have access to the underlying file system.
If you do,
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.003.htp
is relevant. The mailman installation is said to be at
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman.

If you don't have access to the file system and can't enlist the help of
someone who does, you have to delete the list and it's archives and then
recreate the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Dave Foran wrote:

Allow me to ask this regarding Archives

As stated I have some lists I created to replace what was being done by
Smartlist, and the SmartList archive is extensive..  One going back maybe 8
years.

Is there a feasible way to import the old archives into MailMan archives in
some fashion ??


If you can get the old archives in *nix mbox format, see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq05.001.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Dave Foran]

| 
| Dave Foran wrote:
| 
| Allow me to ask this regarding Archives
| 
| As stated I have some lists I created to replace what was being done by
| Smartlist, and the SmartList archive is extensive..  One going back maybe 8
| years.
| 
| Is there a feasible way to import the old archives into MailMan archives in
| some fashion ??
| 
| 
| If you can get the old archives in *nix mbox format, see
| http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq05.001.htp.
They are plan text persay on a Linux box  Should be easy

Thanks, again

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and bad timestamps

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:47 PM -0700 2006-08-11, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:

  I've just noticed that one of the lists I'm moderating shows messages
  from next Monday in the private archive. The last message is timestamped
  for 8:08 (Pacific, +0700) on 14 Aug, but was actually distributed by
  Mailman at 08:51 on 11 Aug.

Yup.  Some users have screwed-up machines where the clock is way off.

  Unfortunately, the archive seems to be ordered by timestamp rather than
  the time the message hit the server, which leads to some odd sequences
  of messages. It also makes me really wonder about messages that have
  timestamps that are not in the current month and where they will be
  archived. Will they show up in the archive for the month they were
  timestamped, when that month is archived?

In the web archive, they will be put into the appropriate month and 
year, according to the Date: header on the message.  If that user 
has their clock off in 2063 La-La Land, then their message will show 
up in the archives for 2063.

  There doesn't seem to be an option for archive sequence in the admin
  pages, is there an option at the shell level to use the transit time
  instead of the original timestamp? Should there be?

IIRC, if you select the appropriate option in the mm_cfg.py file, 
what you get by default is a certain time window around what the 
Mailman server thinks is the current date/time, and if the incoming 
message has a Date: header outside of that window, then it gets 
corrected to be the date/time stamp as of when the server received 
the message.

I thought there was some discussion of this issue in the FAQ, but I'm 
not seeing anything obvious come up.  Searching the archives, I found 
a few articles at 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-August/031063.html, 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-May/028679.html, 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-November/032764.html, 
and 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033907.html 
which are related to this issue.  See also my canned Google search at 
http://tinyurl.com/jsqsu.


 From Defaults.py on a 2.1.5 installation that I manage, I have:

# This sets the default `clobber date' policy for the archiver.  When a
# message is to be archived either by Pipermail or an external archiver,
# Mailman can modify the Date: header to be the date the message was received
# instead of the Date: in the original message.  This is useful if you
# typically receive messages with outrageous dates.  Set this to 0 to retain
# the date of the original message, or to 1 to always clobber the date.  Set
# it to 2 to perform `smart overrides' on the date; when the date is outside
# ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW (either too early or too late), then the
# received date is substituted instead.
ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 2
ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW = days(15)

Of course, if you decide that you want a different choice, you should 
change this in your mm_cfg.py file, and not in Defaults.py -- the 
former will not get replaced if/when you upgrade your Mailman 
installation, while the latter is guaranteed to get replaced on 
upgrade/reinstall.


Now, one thing I'd like to see is related to that last message I 
referenced above -- the archive date handling process should be able 
to look at the last (most recent) Received: header and pull out a 
useful date from there, if the date on the message is too far 
out-of-whack.

Hopefully, this is the kind of thing that we could get relatively 
quickly fixed and incorporated into an upcoming release of Mailman 
2.1.x, because I know that this entire system is being completely 
re-done for Mailman 2.2 and this should no longer be a problem, 
although the author for that code should also be made aware of this 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives and bad timestamps

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:13 AM -0500 2006-08-12, Brad Knowles wrote:

   There doesn't seem to be an option for archive sequence in the admin
   pages, is there an option at the shell level to use the transit time
   instead of the original timestamp? Should there be?

  IIRC, if you select the appropriate option in the mm_cfg.py file,
  what you get by default is a certain time window around what the
  Mailman server thinks is the current date/time, and if the incoming
  message has a Date: header outside of that window, then it gets
  corrected to be the date/time stamp as of when the server received
  the message.

  I thought there was some discussion of this issue in the FAQ, but I'm
  not seeing anything obvious come up.

As a result of this thread, I created the FAQ entry 3.63 for this 
subject.  Please let me know if you have any further questions.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives and bad timestamps

[G. Armour Van Horn]

I've just noticed that one of the lists I'm moderating shows messages 
from next Monday in the private archive. The last message is timestamped 
for 8:08 (Pacific, +0700) on 14 Aug, but was actually distributed by 
Mailman at 08:51 on 11 Aug.

Unfortunately, the archive seems to be ordered by timestamp rather than 
the time the message hit the server, which leads to some odd sequences 
of messages. It also makes me really wonder about messages that have 
timestamps that are not in the current month and where they will be 
archived. Will they show up in the archive for the month they were 
timestamped, when that month is archived?

There doesn't seem to be an option for archive sequence in the admin 
pages, is there an option at the shell level to use the transit time 
instead of the original timestamp? Should there be?

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[Mailman-Users] archives has bad group of list, how to fix?

[Jana Nguyen]

Hi there,

I ran the bin/check_perms script and got the following output to be 
fix, I'm not sure what is the problem, and how to fix it:

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/birntest bad group (has: jnguyen, 
expected mailman) (fixing)

p.s. 'jnguyen' is my username.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives has bad group of list, how to fix?

[Dragon]

Jana Nguyen sent the message below at 14:02 7/28/2006:
Hi there,

I ran the bin/check_perms script and got the following output to be
fix, I'm not sure what is the problem, and how to fix it:

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/birntest bad group (has: jnguyen,
expected mailman) (fixing)

p.s. 'jnguyen' is my username.
 End original message. -

Did you run the script with the -f option to fix the problems it found?

If you don't have sufficient permissions to change the file 
permissions and owners when logged in under your own account, you may 
have to get somebody with root access to do it or have an admin add 
you to the appropriate group to allow it. The default user:group in 
default install is mailman:mailman but that could have been changed 
using configure when mailman was installed.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives has bad group of list, how to fix?

[Mark Sapiro]

Dragon wrote:

Jana Nguyen sent the message below at 14:02 7/28/2006:
Hi there,

I ran the bin/check_perms script and got the following output to be
fix, I'm not sure what is the problem, and how to fix it:

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/birntest bad group (has: jnguyen,
expected mailman) (fixing)

p.s. 'jnguyen' is my username.
 End original message. -

Did you run the script with the -f option to fix the problems it found?

the '(fixing)' notation says 'yes', but this is very puzzling in a
couple of ways.

What Mailman version is this? In current versions at least,
bin/check_perms doesn't check archives/public/*. Also,
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/birntest should be a symlink to
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/birntest, and its ownership and
permissions shouldn't matter as it's those of the target that count.

The bottom line is cane you access the public archives for this list
via a 'pipermail' URL. If so, you don't have a problem.

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[Mailman-Users] archives not generating in monthly index.

[Guntupalli Karunakar]

Hi all,
  We are facing some problems with main html index missing index of
months - march, april 2006.
 eg see following lists
http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/deewan/
http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/deewan/
 the index doesnt show  march 2006  april 2006.

Though they show up in this form.
http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/deewan/2006-March/thread.html
http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2006-March/thread.html
etc.

running arch script for a list , generates the main index again
properly,  but it is lost (march, april ones) after sometime,
typically after some more new mails are archived.

What could be the issues?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archives not generating in monthly index.

[Mark Sapiro]

Guntupalli Karunakar wrote:

  We are facing some problems with main html index missing index of
months - march, april 2006.
snip

running arch script for a list , generates the main index again
properly,  but it is lost (march, april ones) after sometime,
typically after some more new mails are archived.

The main index (TOC) for a list is rebuilt with each post. It seems
that the archives/private/listname/pipermail.pck file may be missing
March and April from the archives attribute for some reason. You can
confirm this by doing

 bin/dumpdb archives/private/list1/pipermail.pck

and looking at the archives attribute.

I would guess that there is a permissions problem somewhere that is
causing this. When you run bin/arch (presumably with the --wipe
option) you are running it as a user (root?) which can access
everything so it works, but maybe the 'mailman' group can't access the
2006-March and 2006-April stuff.

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[Mailman-Users] Archives not working (yes, I broke it...)

[Dragon]

I was doing some edits of the archive template files on my installation of 
Mailman 2.1.5

Long story short, I ran into some write permission problems when trying to 
upload my edited versions and in a fit of bone-headedness, I screwed up a 
bunch of permissions by over zealously using the -R option of chmod...

This broke everything. I couldn't access the admin pages, the archives or 
post to my lists. I panicked.

Then I tried to do a rebuild/reinstall from source. No luck there, and then 
I remembered the check_perms script and used that to fix the damage I did. 
After a restart of the mailman daemon using mailmanctl, I could now post to 
the list and get to the admin pages.

So far so good. It's not a complete disaster anymore, just a minor one.

But now the archive simply will not work. Nothing gets added to the archive 
mbox file when I post to the list nor can I access the archive web pages 
(and yes, I double-checked the list archive settings and made sure the 
archive files are all still there). I am using the built-in archiver, it 
seems to not be able to find the archive files because all I get when I try 
to view the archive is a page that says Private archive file not found.

I've looked at everything I can think of at this point and can't find a 
solution. What am I missing? Is there an obscure setting somewhere or a 
database file or something out there that needs to be told what lists are 
on the server?

Help will be much appreciated.

Dragon

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[Mailman-Users] Archives

[Raquel Rice]

I've searched the FAQ and cannot find the answer to a problem I'm
having.

I have Mailman 2.1.5 installed on a server running Debian Sarge. 
All the lists work wonderfully, except for archives, or more
correctly, access to the archives.  The archives are created but
they cannot be accessed because the appropriate archive variables
don't seem to be picked up from Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py, or they
don't seem to exist.  Any pointer in the right direction would be
terribly appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Raquel Rice wrote:

I have Mailman 2.1.5 installed on a server running Debian Sarge.=20
All the lists work wonderfully, except for archives, or more
correctly, access to the archives.  The archives are created but
they cannot be accessed because the appropriate archive variables
don't seem to be picked up from Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py, or they
don't seem to exist.  Any pointer in the right direction would be
terribly appreciated.  Thanks.

Please give us more information. I.e. what specific URLs don't work? On
what pages do you find these URLs? What are the specific archive
variables that aren't picked up, and where do you expect to see
them, and what do you see instead?

Also note that for any 'pipermail' URL to work, you need to have an
appropriate alias or redirect in your web server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Raquel Rice]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:56:58 -0800
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Raquel Rice wrote:
 
 I have Mailman 2.1.5 installed on a server running Debian
 Sarge.=20 All the lists work wonderfully, except for archives, or
 more correctly, access to the archives.  The archives are created
 but they cannot be accessed because the appropriate archive
 variables don't seem to be picked up from Defaults.py or
 mm_cfg.py, or they don't seem to exist.  Any pointer in the right
 direction would be terribly appreciated.  Thanks.
 
 Please give us more information. I.e. what specific URLs don't
 work? On what pages do you find these URLs? What are the specific
 archive variables that aren't picked up, and where do you
 expect to see them, and what do you see instead?
 
 Also note that for any 'pipermail' URL to work, you need to have
 an appropriate alias or redirect in your web server.
 
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On the list info page,
http://lists.thericehouse.net/mailman/listinfo/myfriends , this is
where the link MyFriends Archives points:
 http://lists.thericehouse.net/mailman/private/myfriends/
rather than to:
 http://lists.thericehouse.net/pipermail/myfriends/

From httpd.conf:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
AllowOverride None
Options +ExecCGI
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Raquel Rice]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:19:21 -0600
Dan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 21, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Raquel Rice wrote:
  On the list info page,
  http://lists.thericehouse.net/mailman/listinfo/myfriends , this
  is where the link MyFriends Archives points:
   http://lists.thericehouse.net/mailman/private/myfriends/
  rather than to:
   http://lists.thericehouse.net/pipermail/myfriends/
 
  From httpd.conf:
  ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
  Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
  AllowOverride None
  Options +ExecCGI
  Order allow,deny
  Allow from all
  /Directory
  Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/
 
 
 This is correct for private archives. To set them to public (and
 give   the RUL you're expecting), go to
 http://lists.thericehouse.net/  mailman/admin/myfriends/archive
 and select the public radio button   under archiving options.
 
 Dan

But these were supposed to be private archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Raquel Rice]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:19:21 -0600
Dan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 21, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Raquel Rice wrote:
  On the list info page,
  http://lists.thericehouse.net/mailman/listinfo/myfriends , this
  is where the link MyFriends Archives points:
   http://lists.thericehouse.net/mailman/private/myfriends/
  rather than to:
   http://lists.thericehouse.net/pipermail/myfriends/
 
  From httpd.conf:
snip
  Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/
 
 
 This is correct for private archives. To set them to public (and
 give   the RUL you're expecting), go to
 http://lists.thericehouse.net/  mailman/admin/myfriends/archive
 and select the public radio button   under archiving options.
 
 Dan

From what I can see, the problem isn't in httpd.conf because the
proper URL, including /pipermail/ isn't being sent to the page. 
Looking at Defaults.py, I see this variable set:
 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL =
'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
But I see nothing set for a private archive.  Is there such a
variable for a private archive?  If so, what is it?  Or am I way
off-base?

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