Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote: On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I don't think Mailman 3 will be any different in this respect. The issue is as presented in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. Mailman 3 will work exactly the same way, for all the reasons Mark described. AFAICT, there's really no better alternative. -Barry Thank you all for your replies. I followed the discussion on why this happening and I understand the logic. But since Outlook is so spread among corporate users worldwide, shouldn't mailman have its own workaround? Just like the web coders did for IE* shortcomings all these years. I got mimedefang to work but it was not easy at all. There is hardly any cheat sheets out there for such combination. OS: Centos 5.6 Postfix: 2.7.3 I had to upgrade from distribution's 2.3 main.cf smtpd_milters = unix:/var/spool/MIMEDefang/mimedefang.sock milter_default_action = accept milter_protocol = 3 mimedefang: 2.72 I had to run as usr postfix because of permission problems : postfix/smtpd[9768]: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/spool/MIMEDefang/mimedefang.sock: Permission denied change user: in /etc/sysconfig/mimedefang to be : # Run the multiplexor and filters as this user, not root. RECOMMENDED MX_USER=postfix I had to edit /etc/init.d/mimedefang # Since /var/spool/MIMEDefang might be tmpfs, ensure that it is properly # initialized. chown postfix:postfix /var/spool/MIMEDefang restorecon -R /var/spool/MIMEDefang /dev/null 21 if [ ! -d /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor ]; then mkdir /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor chown postfix:postfix /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor chmod 0750 /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor fi if [ ! -L /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor/razor-agent.log ]; then # The Razor2 log is mostly useless, and we can't change its location. # In order to prevent it from filling up the spool, we just link it to # /dev/null. ln -sf /dev/null /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor/razor-agent.log chown -h postfix:postfix /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor/razor-agent.log fi This only had to be made in 2.72 it was not needed in 2.70 Mailman 2.1.9 The mailman functionality needed I did as per : http://stuff.mit.edu/~jik/software/mailman_mimedefang/mailman_mimedefang_fix_footer.pl.txt there might little things here and there but I am still dazed. :D By the way, the footer now is not an attachment but the unsubscribe link in the footer is not clickable. I wonder if there is a solution for the link? Best Regards, Serving None -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
Serving Soon writes: I followed the discussion on why this happening and I understand the logic. But since Outlook is so spread among corporate users worldwide, shouldn't mailman have its own workaround? If there were a single workaround, that might make sense. But there's a big difference between what the web coders did and what you're suggesting here. The web coders only needed to work around IE one bug at a time, because they had control of the rest of the page and the CSS. Mailman does not; there is no guarantee that there is any end at all to this task. Personally, I'd rather that the people who know anything about this stuff work on Mailman 3 rather than throw code and effort into making Outlook users happy (I have to admit, nobody who uses my lists would dare own up to using Outlook even if they did use it :-). Just like the web coders did for IE* shortcomings all these years. The web coders made a lot of money by doing a better job than the next site of supporting IE. Show us some money (or other equivalent value), and somebody might do the same in Mailman for Outlook. But at the moment, nobody is getting rich from Mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
Serving Soon wrote: By the way, the footer now is not an attachment but the unsubscribe link in the footer is not clickable. I wonder if there is a solution for the link? You could try coding it as an HTML tag, e.g. a href=%(user_optionsurl)sUnsubscribe/a or whatever you do to generate the URL. Of course this will be pretty ugly in the plain text part and perhaps not recognized as a URL by an MUA that displays that part and renders recognized URLs as clickable in plain text. Unsubscribe: a href=%(user_optionsurl)s%(user_optionsurl)s/a might be preferable for someone who uses a non-Outlook MUA and chooses a plain text view. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I don't think Mailman 3 will be any different in this respect. The issue is as presented in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. Mailman 3 will work exactly the same way, for all the reasons Mark described. AFAICT, there's really no better alternative. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
Do you guys know if Mailman 3 also has the problem of footer as attachment in Outlook? I am about to cry here. :P Serving On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Serving Soon servings...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I followed the old discussions regarding how Outlook shows footer as attachment. I read the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707 I wonder if someone has found a more recent solution then what is out there? The solutions provided are years old and they pertain to older versions. I know it is an Outlook problem not mailman's. I hope there is a solution like the workarounds of IE browsers quirks and bugs. Any advise on how to get Outlook to show footers properly would be greatly appreciated. :) Serving None -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
Serving Soon wrote: Do you guys know if Mailman 3 also has the problem of footer as attachment in Outlook? I don't think Mailman 3 will be any different in this respect. The issue is as presented in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. If the message is a simple text/plain message, a footer can just be appended and a header prepended to the single text/plain body part. If the message has a more complicated MIME structure, particularly if it contains text/html parts, Mailman doesn't know how any MUA and/or HTML rendering engine will display this message, and in fact, the same MUA may display the same message differently depending on the user's preferences. Therefore, the best Mailman can do with such messages is to add headers and footers as separate MIME parts and hope that a user's MUA does the right thing. If your requirements are such that you can't restrict your list to simple plain text and use content filtering to remove non text/plain parts, headers and footers will be added as separate mime parts and some MUAs will show those as attachments if at all. If you can't live with that, you can try the MIMEDefang method mentioned in the FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.
Hello, I followed the old discussions regarding how Outlook shows footer as attachment. I read the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707 I wonder if someone has found a more recent solution then what is out there? The solutions provided are years old and they pertain to older versions. I know it is an Outlook problem not mailman's. I hope there is a solution like the workarounds of IE browsers quirks and bugs. Any advise on how to get Outlook to show footers properly would be greatly appreciated. :) Serving None -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
Why does the footer text that I have entered in Footer added to every digest show up as an attachment to about half the postings. Even when multiple subscribers are responding to the same thread.. some will have the footer inserted at the end of the message and others will have a text file attachment containing the footer info. Bruce Audie -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
At 1:45 PM -0500 2004-12-02, Bruce N. Audie wrote: Why does the footer text that I have entered in Footer added to every digest show up as an attachment to about half the postings. Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for footer. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes in as part of the message. However, when someone sends a text/html message, the footer becomes an attachment. Is there a way to make the footer always be part of the message? Or is this something I need to put before hitting mailman (like stripmime) to overcome this problem? Running mailman 2.1.5... -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes in as part of the message. However, when someone sends a text/html message, the footer becomes an attachment. Is there a way to make the footer always be part of the message? Or is this something I need to put before hitting mailman (like stripmime) to overcome this problem? Visit the FAQ Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 4.39. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
At 9:57 AM -0600 2004-09-24, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes in as part of the message. However, when someone sends a text/html message, the footer becomes an attachment. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages
That is exactly as it is setup to work. Since it cannot determine what MIME it is using, the default is text-only. It does not and will not as setup send other than text. Someone would have to rewrite the module to add footers (and headers.) Date sent: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:33:53 -0400 From: Steph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages Send reply to: Steph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 2.1 installation of Mailman, for which I own a couple of mailing lists. These lists have been set up to accept certain MIME attachments, and also to convert text/html to plain text. This works as expected. We have the default footer enabled, however, it is coming through as a plain text attachment for all messages, rather than being appended to the body of the message. I've been looking through the message archives for Mailman, and have found many recent posts about this happening with text/html messages. Likewise, the FAQ only refers to this happening with HTML messages. Any ideas on what might cause Mailman to use attachments for the footer on plain text messages, and how I might change this behavior? If there's any other information I can provide, please let me know! Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions on where to look! Steph -- When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss is away and you get twice as much done. -- Daniel B. Luten -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Thanks. Lloyd F. Tennison [EMAIL PROTECTED] No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message. However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages
I have a 2.1 installation of Mailman, for which I own a couple of mailing lists. These lists have been set up to accept certain MIME attachments, and also to convert text/html to plain text. This works as expected. We have the default footer enabled, however, it is coming through as a plain text attachment for all messages, rather than being appended to the body of the message. I've been looking through the message archives for Mailman, and have found many recent posts about this happening with text/html messages. Likewise, the FAQ only refers to this happening with HTML messages. Any ideas on what might cause Mailman to use attachments for the footer on plain text messages, and how I might change this behavior? If there's any other information I can provide, please let me know! Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions on where to look! Steph -- When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss is away and you get twice as much done. -- Daniel B. Luten -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
