Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting messages counts/size by user

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Carl Zwanzig writes:

 > Yep, it's a social/behavioral problem, but social methods (i.e. "trim your 
 > messages", "(whine) it's too hard on an ipad") haven't worked.

>From the Oh-I-Really-Wish-I-Could-Do-This Dept.:

Put "forgive my brevity" in your spam filter.

;-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting messages counts/size by user

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/13/2013 09:40 AM, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> 
> For the stats on the word count/quoted/sizes, per user, you could
> compute that on a regular base, although you may run into issues on
> quoting (in particular, the quoting indicator: ^> is not always going
> to be accurate.


There is code in the Handler at
 that attempts to determine
quoted vs. non-quoted text in posts. It is far from perfect.


> TBH: it sounds as though you may be trying to solve a social problem,
> not a technological one.


Absolutely true. In my case, after much vociferous complaining from a
few people, the loudest of which wasn't even affected by the quoting
tests, the club whose list this was said it didn't want any automated
decisions on quoting.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting messages counts/size by user

[Adam McGreggor]

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 09:12:00AM -0800, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
> This came up on another list I read- is there any relatively simple
> way to (a) report individual message activity to a user and (b)
> temporarily moderate a user when a count is exceeded?
> 
> The first would send an email to the user when they've exceeded a
> threshold* in a given period.
> 
> *messages to the list, total word count, quoted lines/total size, etc
> 
> The second, triggered by the first's info, would set the mod bit for
> a user exceeding the limit and send an email that they've been
> auto-moderated.
> 
> I've got some ideas, but not sure where to start with this. Maybe a
> handler in the incoming pipeline that does the counts and updates a
> database (use a pickle?), then a cron job to leaf through that
> database, send the warnings, and set moderation.

http://metricsgrimoire.github.io/MailingListStats/ is a tool I've used
in the past for reporting on lists as a whole. It does, however, do
the list. There may be bits you can use though, for users (or grep out
"their" lines in the output, maybe using `list_members` and a for…
loop).

For the stats on the word count/quoted/sizes, per user, you could
compute that on a regular base, although you may run into issues on
quoting (in particular, the quoting indicator: ^> is not always going
to be accurate.

TBH: it sounds as though you may be trying to solve a social problem,
not a technological one.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting messages counts/size by user

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 12/13/2013 9:40 AM, Adam McGreggor wrote:


TBH: it sounds as though you may be trying to solve a social problem,
not a technological one.


Yep, it's a social/behavioral problem, but social methods (i.e. "trim your 
messages", "(whine) it's too hard on an ipad") haven't worked.


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[Mailman-Users] Reporting messages counts/size by user

[Carl Zwanzig]

Hi,

This came up on another list I read- is there any relatively simple way to 
(a) report individual message activity to a user and (b) temporarily 
moderate a user when a count is exceeded?


The first would send an email to the user when they've exceeded a threshold* 
in a given period.


*messages to the list, total word count, quoted lines/total size, etc

The second, triggered by the first's info, would set the mod bit for a user 
exceeding the limit and send an email that they've been auto-moderated.


I've got some ideas, but not sure where to start with this. Maybe a handler 
in the incoming pipeline that does the counts and updates a database (use a 
pickle?), then a cron job to leaf through that database, send the warnings, 
and set moderation.


The list in question is plain text (html-scrubbed), but I realize that with 
the various messages encapsulations used, we may not catch everything, and 
that's OK. Also, this list is only a few hundred members, so this doesn't 
need to scale out to tens of thousands.


Oh, ya- mailman 2.1.17.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Brad Knowles]

On 10/25/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

>  I see what you are saying. I'll write something to dig through my Exim
>  logs and see what I can come up with.

Take a look at Splunk.  For relatively small amounts of log data, it 
should be free to run as an experiment (to get an idea of what it can 
do for you), and this should probably be enough to give you the 
information you need.  Also check out Lire from logreport.org.

If you were running postfix or sendmail, I could point you at other 
log processing scripts I know of (including some I am responsible for 
maintaining),but I don't personally know of anything specific for 
Exim.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of
>>> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message.
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then  that some of those 
>> message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around 
>> since 2.1.4 or so?
>> 
>
>
> These are all valid posts made by list members. Everything in the
> 'post' log should be a valid post to the list. Occasionally, when
> there is an smtp-failure on a mailman generated message (say a reject
> of spam with a forged non-existant local address), you can get a
> failure entry in the post log even though the message wasn't a post,
> but if you filter out the failures (or the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] message-ids), everything else is
> a legitimate list post.
>
> Note that these failures appear in the mmdsr report under Other
> Messages:->Log file: post.
>
>
>   
Thanks. That helps a lot.
>   
>> Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I 
>> want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how 
>> many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if 
>> they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of 
>> bandwidth to send out.
>> 
>
>
> Yes, but if you want to be truly accurate, you also have to look at
> your MTA logs.
>
> For example, if a 10K message is sent to a list with 1000 members, and
> the list is not personalized, and the message is not VERPed in
> Mailman, mailman might deliver this to the MTA in say 5 transactions
> with 200 recipients each for a total exchange between Mailman and the
> MTA of about 50K plus the address list.
>
> The MTA in turn might batch delivery so if say 50 of those 1000
> recipients are in the aol.com domain, the MTA might send one 10K +
> transaction to AOL for all 50, rather that sending 10K 50 times.
>
>   
I see what you are saying. I'll write something to dig through my Exim 
logs and see what I can come up with.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Mark Sapiro]

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of
>> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message.
>>
>>   
>So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then  that some of those 
>message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around 
>since 2.1.4 or so?


These are all valid posts made by list members. Everything in the
'post' log should be a valid post to the list. Occasionally, when
there is an smtp-failure on a mailman generated message (say a reject
of spam with a forged non-existant local address), you can get a
failure entry in the post log even though the message wasn't a post,
but if you filter out the failures (or the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] message-ids), everything else is
a legitimate list post.

Note that these failures appear in the mmdsr report under Other
Messages:->Log file: post.



>Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I 
>want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how 
>many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if 
>they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of 
>bandwidth to send out.


Yes, but if you want to be truly accurate, you also have to look at
your MTA logs.

For example, if a 10K message is sent to a list with 1000 members, and
the list is not personalized, and the message is not VERPed in
Mailman, mailman might deliver this to the MTA in say 5 transactions
with 200 recipients each for a total exchange between Mailman and the
MTA of about 50K plus the address list.

The MTA in turn might batch delivery so if say 50 of those 1000
recipients are in the aol.com domain, the MTA might send one 10K +
transaction to AOL for all 50, rather that sending 10K 50 times.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>   
>> According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the 
>> Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by 
>> members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I 
>> would appreciate a better explanation on that.
>> 
>
>
> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of
> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message.
>
>   
So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then  that some of those 
message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around 
since 2.1.4 or so?
>   
>> Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. 
>> The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent 
>> to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per 
>> member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single 
>> SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure.
>> 
>
>
> Yes, you are correct. This comes from the smtp log and is the total
> number of recipients which depending on mm_cfg settings could be one
> smtp connection per recipient or a single smtp connection with a few
> smtp transactions with hundreds of recipients per transaction, or
> something in between. But the number is always the total recipients.
>
>
>   
>> The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and 
>> it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy 
>> increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so 
>> I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay 
>> more (so I can upgrade!).
>>
>> Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal 
>> workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in 
>> the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much.
>> 
>
>
> The mmdsr report gives you post count per list and by sender, but due
> to the mailman bug in 2.1.6 and earlier, these are usually the same
> since the sender is list-bounces.
>
> It also gives the hourly summary of posts and of messages sent, the
> latter of which is really the number of recipients, not the number of
> smtp transactions or smtp connects.
>
> It does not give you messages sent by list. In order to get that, you
> need to look at the 'post' log to get the list and from information
> and the message-id and then get the corresponding message-id entry
> from the smtp log to get the number of recipients.
>
>   
Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I 
want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how 
many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if 
they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Mark Sapiro]

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the 
>Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by 
>members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I 
>would appreciate a better explanation on that.


This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of
the outgoing message instead of the incoming message.


>Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. 
>The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent 
>to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per 
>member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single 
>SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure.


Yes, you are correct. This comes from the smtp log and is the total
number of recipients which depending on mm_cfg settings could be one
smtp connection per recipient or a single smtp connection with a few
smtp transactions with hundreds of recipients per transaction, or
something in between. But the number is always the total recipients.


>The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and 
>it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy 
>increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so 
>I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay 
>more (so I can upgrade!).
>
>Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal 
>workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in 
>the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much.


The mmdsr report gives you post count per list and by sender, but due
to the mailman bug in 2.1.6 and earlier, these are usually the same
since the sender is list-bounces.

It also gives the hourly summary of posts and of messages sent, the
latter of which is really the number of recipients, not the number of
smtp transactions or smtp connects.

It does not give you messages sent by list. In order to get that, you
need to look at the 'post' log to get the list and from information
and the message-id and then get the corresponding message-id entry
from the smtp log to get the number of recipients.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 10/24/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>>  I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure
>>  out past history.
>
> As the author of mmdsr, I'll say that you should be able to feed it 
> old Mailman log data and have it "just work", but I won't guarantee 
> that.  If you try this and it doesn't work for you, please let me know 
> and I'll try to work with you to modify the code so that it does "just 
> work" when fed old log data.
>
>
> Keep in mind that there's a good chunk of mmdsr where it goes and 
> looks at the current status of what is in the various queue 
> directories, etc... and this obviously won't be relevant for 
> processing of historical log data.
>
> I should probably add a command-line flag so that you can tell it 
> whether to just do the summary based on the log data (which should 
> work regardless of whether the data is historical or current), or to 
> do the log data summary plus the current condition report.
>
> Let me think about that, and see if I have any time available.
>
Alright, I just ran a blanketed request that went through the whole log 
file, which was pretty nice since I haven't rotated ever. It goes back 
to April 2006. I do have some questions about the report though, and 
please forgive my ignorance. I use MM but I really haven't dove into 
like I should have so I'm still a little shaky on how things work.

According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the 
Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by 
members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I 
would appreciate a better explanation on that.

Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. 
The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent 
to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per 
member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single 
SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure.

The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and 
it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy 
increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so 
I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay 
more (so I can upgrade!).

Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal 
workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in 
the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

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On 10/24/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

>  I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure
>  out past history.

As the author of mmdsr, I'll say that you should be able to feed it 
old Mailman log data and have it "just work", but I won't guarantee 
that.  If you try this and it doesn't work for you, please let me 
know and I'll try to work with you to modify the code so that it does 
"just work" when fed old log data.


Keep in mind that there's a good chunk of mmdsr where it goes and 
looks at the current status of what is in the various queue 
directories, etc... and this obviously won't be relevant for 
processing of historical log data.

I should probably add a command-line flag so that you can tell it 
whether to just do the summary based on the log data (which should 
work regardless of whether the data is historical or current), or to 
do the log data summary plus the current condition report.

Let me think about that, and see if I have any time available.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

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Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure 
>out past history.


mmdsr as written just does a daily report, but the information it
sumarizes and reports is all in Mailman's log files, so it should be
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

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>> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
>> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
>> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
>>
>> So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
>> to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
>> this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
>> level of activity.
>>
>> So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?
>> 
>
> Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install.  I
> run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list
> traffic.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Steven Stern]

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On 10/24/2007 06:33 PM, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
> 
> So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
> to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
> this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
> level of activity.
> 
> So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?

Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install.  I
run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list
traffic.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>   
>> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
>> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
>> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
>> 
>
>
> See
> .
>
>   
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Mark Sapiro]

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

>Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
>list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
>and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.


See
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[Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.

So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
level of activity.

So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting Mail Statistics Data from Mailman

[Satya]

On Dec 4, 2002 at 12:46, Steve Ensley wrote:

>I may be thick as a brick, but how does a list admin person monitor the
>results of a list mailing?  Is there a third party piece that does this or
>is it not even possible in Mailman.  I have reviewed everything I can find,
>but can't find anything on statistical reporting.  Thanks Folks!

The list admin could be subscribed to the list. If you want stats (I'm
not sure if you're asking for stats, or a subscriber's-eye-view of the
mailing list), I'm sure you can find a package to plug into the other
end of the list admin's email address.

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[Mailman-Users] Reporting Mail Statistics Data from Mailman

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I may be thick as a brick, but how does a list admin person monitor the
results of a list mailing?  Is there a third party piece that does this or
is it not even possible in Mailman.  I have reviewed everything I can find,
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[Mailman-Users] reporting

[Michael Nezi]

Does mailman have a reporting feature installed into it?



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RE: [Mailman-Users] Reporting?

[Jarvis, John]

I think its a good idea.  I have a script that runs at the end of the month
that gives message counts for each user and a script that runs every day
that collects random quotes and all the hyperlinks into textfiles that is
displayed on a webpage.  Not very something you would have for a list like
this one, but for the list my friends have, it's hilarious.

-Jarv


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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting?


Hi all,

Has anybody put together any reporting tools for Mailman?  Posts per list,
posts per user, total traffic, that sort of thing?

If not, maybe I'll bang on something myself if I can make the time...

Thanks,

-Bill

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[Mailman-Users] Reporting?

[William R. Dickson]

Hi all,

Has anybody put together any reporting tools for Mailman?  Posts per list,
posts per user, total traffic, that sort of thing?

If not, maybe I'll bang on something myself if I can make the time...

Thanks,

-Bill

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