Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users 

On 03/16/2018 07:54 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:

Has there been any noise about Yahoo on mailop about this new behavior?


I just read a handful of messages on mailop where multiple people are 
reporting this issue.


One of the last messages indicated that the problem might be clearing up.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-19 Thread The Mailing List Server Admin 

Hello -

FWIW, I've seen this recently from Yahoo as well, and have been unable to 
get a reponse from Yahoo about it.


It seems very likely that, as Grant Taylor suggests, its a filtering 
issue. It's been an occasional recommendation here for users of high 
priority lists to use a mail provider other than Yahoo, for more or less 
this reason. Our guess is that if a user or users report mailing list 
messages as spam, instead of unsubscribing, Yahoo's filter may begin 
mistreating list  messages from a given source as spam for a time - 
usually a week or two.


Yahoo's lack of outbound communication, and the 5xy rejection code for an 
active user make unravelling this more of a challenge than it need be.


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 You recently wrote to the UNH Mailing List Server Admin:


On 03/16/2018 01:57 PM, Jim Dory wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: MAILER-DAEMON@domain2.example
To: nome-announce-bounces@domain1.example
Cc:
Bcc:
Date:
Subject: Delivery failure
Message from domain2.example.
Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).

>:
This user doesn't have a domain2.example account (redacted1@domain2.example
) [0]


Okay.  That seems like a generic "non existent user" type response.


(I've snipped the address)


;-)


I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple
days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
they respond that - yes, they are still there.


Okay.  So Yahoo is returning 5xy errors that make it seem like the recipient 
address is invalid for known good recipient addresses.


It sounds like some sort of filtering is either mis-behaving or poorly 
configured to me.


Has there been any noise about Yahoo on mailop about this new behavior?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users 

On 03/16/2018 01:57 PM, Jim Dory wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: MAILER-DAEMON@domain2.example
To: nome-announce-bounces@domain1.example
Cc:
Bcc:
Date:
Subject: Delivery failure
Message from domain2.example.
Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).

>:
This user doesn't have a domain2.example account (redacted1@domain2.example
) [0]


Okay.  That seems like a generic "non existent user" type response.


(I've snipped the address)


;-)


I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple
days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
they respond that - yes, they are still there.


Okay.  So Yahoo is returning 5xy errors that make it seem like the 
recipient address is invalid for known good recipient addresses.


It sounds like some sort of filtering is either mis-behaving or poorly 
configured to me.


Has there been any noise about Yahoo on mailop about this new behavior?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Andrew White, PhD 
   We (pdbti.org) have been seeing an increase in rejects for yahoo users
   this week as well...

   At 12:57 PM 3/16/2018, Jim Dory wrote:

 Mostly an FYI but also curious if anyone else sees this. I'm constantly
 having problems with yahoo it seems but this time, for the last couple
 days, I've been seeing this message:

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: mailer-dae...@yahoo.com
 To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
 Cc:
 Bcc:
 Date:
 Subject: Delivery failure
 Message from yahoo.com.
 Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).

 >:
 This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (bsberr-s...@yahoo.com
 ) [0]

 (I've snipped the address)

 I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last
 couple
 days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
 they respond that - yes, they are still there.

 regards, Jim
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 3/16/18 12:57 PM, Jim Dory wrote:
> Mostly an FYI but also curious if anyone else sees this. I'm constantly
> having problems with yahoo it seems but this time, for the last couple
> days, I've been seeing this message:
> ...
>  This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (bsberr-s...@yahoo.com)


Coincidentally, Just yesterday I saw one bounce like this for one
yahoo.com list member on a list with quite a few yahoo.com members. This
member only bounced one post this way and prior and subsequent posts to
this member as well as this post to other yahoo members were delivered
successfully.

It's definitely YAYFU (yet another yahoo ...)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Jim Dory 
oops, I see in Andrews replay I didn't snip all the address  shoot.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Andrew White, PhD  wrote:

> We (pdbti.org) have been seeing an increase in rejects for yahoo users
> this week as well...
>
>
> At 12:57 PM 3/16/2018, Jim Dory wrote:
>
> Mostly an FYI but also curious if anyone else sees this. I'm constantly
> having problems with yahoo it seems but this time, for the last couple
> days, I've been seeing this message:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: mailer-dae...@yahoo.com
> To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date:
> Subject: Delivery failure
> Message from yahoo.com.
> Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
>
> >:
> This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (bsberr-s...@yahoo.com
> ) [0]
>
> (I've snipped the address)
>
> I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple
> days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
> they respond that - yes, they are still there.
>
> regards, Jim
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[Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-16 Thread Jim Dory 
Mostly an FYI but also curious if anyone else sees this. I'm constantly
having problems with yahoo it seems but this time, for the last couple
days, I've been seeing this message:

-- Forwarded message --
From: mailer-dae...@yahoo.com
To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date:
Subject: Delivery failure
Message from yahoo.com.
Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).

>:
This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (bsberr-s...@yahoo.com
) [0]

(I've snipped the address)

I got this delivery failure on perhaps 30 yahoo users over the last couple
days, and it is repeating. When I write to any of the users personally,
they respond that - yes, they are still there.

regards, Jim
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