[Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
Due to some long time configuration issues, which have now been resolved, I think was missing some list events. Now I have to play catchup. I am not sure how bounce processing works. Lets assume that a list member's email address goes bad. Exactly what happens to the bounced message and how does the list owner get notified? Assuming the owner missed those notifications, how can (s)he tell which users have invalid addresses? Thanks. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
On 03/15/11 09:57, Dennis Putnam wrote: Due to some long time configuration issues, which have now been resolved, I think was missing some list events. Now I have to play catchup. I am not sure how bounce processing works. Lets assume that a list member's email address goes bad. Exactly what happens to the bounced message and how does the list owner get notified? Assuming the owner missed those notifications, how can (s)he tell which users have invalid addresses? Thanks. The bounce score begins at 0.0. Each bounce (only one per day is counted) increases the score by 1.0 or 0.5 depending upon if the -bounces processing detects a soft error or hard error. Once the bounce score reaches 5.0, the subscription is set to NOMAIL, and for three successive weeks, once per week, a test mail is sent to the address asking the subscriber to re-confirm. If there is no response to these three mailings, then the address is unsubscribed. All of these parameters are configurable. The bounced mail that triggers the 5.0 score is sent to the list owners, the previous bounce messages are discarded. The unsubscribe notice is sent to the list owners. I run a report daily http://veenet.value.net/~msapiro/scripts/get_bounce_info.py that tells me for each Mailman list, each subscriber that has a bounce score greater than zero. I review the report daily to spot bad addresses. Look at the Mailman logs /var/log/mailman/bounce and maybe other logs in that directory. -- -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 240, Room 5.B.8 Internet: bsfin...@anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:24:25 -0500, Barry Finkel bsfin...@anl.gov wrote: On 03/15/11 09:57, Dennis Putnam wrote: Due to some long time configuration issues, which have now been resolved, I think was missing some list events. Now I have to play catchup. I am not sure how bounce processing works. Lets assume that a list member's email address goes bad. Exactly what happens to the bounced message and how does the list owner get notified? Assuming the owner missed those notifications, how can (s)he tell which users have invalid addresses? Thanks. The bounce score begins at 0.0. Each bounce (only one per day is counted) increases the score by 1.0 or 0.5 depending upon if the -bounces processing detects a soft error or hard error. Once the bounce score reaches 5.0, the subscription is set to NOMAIL, and for three successive weeks, once per week, a test mail is sent to the address asking the subscriber to re-confirm. If there is no response to these three mailings, then the address is unsubscribed. All of these parameters are configurable. The bounced mail that triggers the 5.0 score is sent to the list owners, the previous bounce messages are discarded. The unsubscribe notice is sent to the list owners. I run a report daily http://veenet.value.net/~msapiro/scripts/get_bounce_info.py that tells me for each Mailman list, each subscriber that has a bounce score greater than zero. I review the report daily to spot bad addresses. Look at the Mailman logs /var/log/mailman/bounce and maybe other logs in that directory. Are you sure about the 1.0 and 0.5 score based on soft and hard failure? I think Mark has said previously that a soft and hard bounce both get scored as 1.0. Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
Jeff Grossman wrote: Are you sure about the 1.0 and 0.5 score based on soft and hard failure? I think Mark has said previously that a soft and hard bounce both get scored as 1.0. The documentation on the Bounce processing page talks about the 0.5 and 1.0 score for a soft or hard bounce, but that's wrong (I really should change it, but doing so breaks every i18n translation rendering the entire documentation section of the page in English regardless of the list's language, so I don't). A soft bounce is scored as either 0 or 1 depending on what you consider a soft bounce. E.g., a 'delay' DSN is ignored (scored as 0), but a message which is undeliverable due to a full mailbox is probably scored as 1. It actually depends on the format of the DSN returned, but any RFC 3464 compliant DSN with a 'failed' action is scored as 1. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
* Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net: Jeff Grossman wrote: Are you sure about the 1.0 and 0.5 score based on soft and hard failure? I think Mark has said previously that a soft and hard bounce both get scored as 1.0. The documentation on the Bounce processing page talks about the 0.5 and 1.0 score for a soft or hard bounce, but that's wrong (I really should change it, but doing so breaks every i18n translation rendering the entire documentation section of the page in English regardless of the list's language, so I don't). Well, shit happens :) Just do it! -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
I am really trying to reply to Barry but, as a note to the admins, Barry's message did not make it to me for some reason. If it weren't for the replies I would not have seen this. Thanks Barry. P.S. I tried to go to the veenet link but it keeps timing out. On 3/15/2011 4:41 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:24:25 -0500, Barry Finkel bsfin...@anl.gov wrote: On 03/15/11 09:57, Dennis Putnam wrote: Due to some long time configuration issues, which have now been resolved, I think was missing some list events. Now I have to play catchup. I am not sure how bounce processing works. Lets assume that a list member's email address goes bad. Exactly what happens to the bounced message and how does the list owner get notified? Assuming the owner missed those notifications, how can (s)he tell which users have invalid addresses? Thanks. The bounce score begins at 0.0. Each bounce (only one per day is counted) increases the score by 1.0 or 0.5 depending upon if the -bounces processing detects a soft error or hard error. Once the bounce score reaches 5.0, the subscription is set to NOMAIL, and for three successive weeks, once per week, a test mail is sent to the address asking the subscriber to re-confirm. If there is no response to these three mailings, then the address is unsubscribed. All of these parameters are configurable. The bounced mail that triggers the 5.0 score is sent to the list owners, the previous bounce messages are discarded. The unsubscribe notice is sent to the list owners. I run a report daily http://veenet.value.net/~msapiro/scripts/get_bounce_info.py that tells me for each Mailman list, each subscriber that has a bounce score greater than zero. I review the report daily to spot bad addresses. Look at the Mailman logs /var/log/mailman/bounce and maybe other logs in that directory. Are you sure about the 1.0 and 0.5 score based on soft and hard failure? I think Mark has said previously that a soft and hard bounce both get scored as 1.0. Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dap1%40bellsouth.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Question
On 3/15/2011 3:15 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: P.S. I tried to go to the veenet link but it keeps timing out. On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:24:25 -0500, Barry Finkel bsfin...@anl.gov wrote: I run a report daily http://veenet.value.net/~msapiro/scripts/get_bounce_info.py That server died some time ago and the ISP that provided it never replaced it, but never removed the DNS record for it. You can find that script at http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/get_bounce_info.py and http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/get_bounce_info.py. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] bounce question
Hi, I have a question the engine bounce updates by hand only when it recognizes the mistakes? thank's -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce question
Roberto Gherardi wrote: I have a question the engine bounce updates by hand only when it recognizes the mistakes? I'm trying to understand your question. Perhaps this will help. Mailman sends mail with envelope from, Sender: and Errors-To: equal to the listname-bounces address. Except in the case of really broken MTAs, bounces will be returned to this address. If the list's bounce_processing is set to No, mail to this address is ignored. If the list's bounce_processing is set to Yes, an attempt is made to recognize any messages to the listname-bounces address. If they are recognized as 'non-fatal' they are ignored. If they are recognized as fatal and the bouncing address is a list member, a bounce is scored for the member. If the address is not a member, the message is ignored. If the message is not recognized, and the list's bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner is Yes, the message is forwarded to the list owner. if the list's bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner is No, the message is discarded. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] bounce question
Hi, I have a problem whit the bounce. I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address e-mail Many Thanks RGdC -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce question
Hi, I have a problem whit the bounce. I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address e-mail Many Thanks RGdC You can change the aliases file /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (on my Mailman 2.1.9 Ubuntu) by adding to the line: LISTNAME-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME this text: ,[EMAIL PROTECTED] This, I believe, will send the bounces for the LISTNAME both to the normal Mailman bounce processor and to the specified e-mail address. Note that if Mailman auto-regenerates the alias file, your change will be lost. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce question
Roberto Gherardi wrote: I have a problem whit the bounce. I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address e-mail No. Not in Mailman. If you want to redirect or copy all bounces from a specific list to some given address, you may be able do that by manipulating the listname-bounces alias in the MTA. If you are saying that you want to redirect all bounce notices that are generated by mail to a specific user from a specific list, I know of no easy way to do that. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
