[Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... Any ideas where to look? Thanks --Dave -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... did you install the crontab? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
David F. Reed wrote: Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help: [root@david mailman]# tail smtp Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds i would start looking at your mta logs, see what error it's giving. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help: from /var/mailman/smtp [root@david mailman]# tail smtp Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds from /var/mailman/smtp-failure Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) from /var/mailman/post Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1158, 1 failures Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=62, 1 failures Hopefully that will help someone more educated than I to point me usefully... --Dave David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... Any ideas where to look? Thanks --Dave -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by): [root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron Sep 3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1) Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... did you install the crontab? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Larry Rosenman wrote: What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25? sarcasm If *I* do it? -- # telnet mail.pcraft.com 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220-mail.pcraft.com ESMTP 220-Kemosabe no in tipi now. You leave'um message after little smoke signal, 220 and Kemosabe get back for pow-wow real fast.. ehlo pcraft.com 250-mail.pcraft.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you [snip] [send mail ... 250 2.0.0 g83IWht18115 Message accepted: There, doesn't that feel better? -- /sarcasm -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Larry, I think you are on to something; odd as it sounds, it is refused: [root@david mailman]# telnet 127.0.0.1 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused now why do I say odd? because the other machines are using this one as a host to send mail, as am I logged onto it, but, mailman can't... so I am confused... I am running RH 7.3; I do not see immediately how to turn that on, but I will search. Thanks --Dave Larry Rosenman wrote: What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25? On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote: Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by): [root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron Sep 3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1) Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... did you install the crontab? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Are you running Sendmail? Do you have it setup to listen on interface 0.0.0.0 only or on all interfaces (what do you get when you run netstat -a)? Jon Carnes === On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:48, David F. Reed wrote: Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help: from /var/mailman/smtp [root@david mailman]# tail smtp Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds from /var/mailman/smtp-failure Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) from /var/mailman/post Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1158, 1 failures Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=62, 1 failures Hopefully that will help someone more educated than I to point me usefully... --Dave David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... Any ideas where to look? Thanks --Dave -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Check /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. By default Red Hat accepts no network mail. Mel -- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446Linux 2.4.7 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25? On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote: Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by): [root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron Sep 3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1) Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... did you install the crontab? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
indeed, now that port 25 is listening on localhost, its fine: [davereed@david davereed]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to 127.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. 220 david.w5sv.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:00:21 -0500 500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: help 214-2.0.0 This is sendmail version 8.11.6 214-2.0.0 Topics: 214-2.0.0 HELOEHLOMAILRCPTDATA 214-2.0.0 RSETNOOPQUITHELPVRFY 214-2.0.0 EXPNVERBETRNDSN AUTH 214-2.0.0 STARTTLS 214-2.0.0 For more info use HELP topic. 214-2.0.0 To report bugs in the implementation send email to 214-2.0.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site. 214 2.0.0 End of HELP info and yes, that got mailman unclogged... Thanks for the help. --Dave Larry Rosenman wrote: What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25? On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote: Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by): [root@david log]# tail /var/log/cron Sep 3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1) Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Sep 3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mail Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: David F. Reed wrote: I think I have the grand move almost done; but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out... I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users are getting mail out fine... did you install the crontab? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- David F. Reed - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://keys.pgp.com/ ) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:02, David F. Reed wrote: indeed, now that port 25 is listening on localhost, its fine: [davereed@david davereed]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to 127.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. 220 david.w5sv.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:00:21 -0500 500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: help 214-2.0.0 This is sendmail version 8.11.6 214-2.0.0 Topics: 214-2.0.0 HELOEHLOMAILRCPTDATA 214-2.0.0 RSETNOOPQUITHELPVRFY 214-2.0.0 EXPNVERBETRNDSN AUTH 214-2.0.0 STARTTLS 214-2.0.0 For more info use HELP topic. 214-2.0.0 To report bugs in the implementation send email to 214-2.0.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site. 214 2.0.0 End of HELP info and yes, that got mailman unclogged... Thanks for the help. Somehow, I knew it would You are most welcome. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
