[Mailman-Users] Newbie question - installing on GoDaddy?
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[Mailman-Users] Newbie question? Maybe not.
Greetings, I administer a list provided by my organization's hosting service. I didn't have to install anything, just turn it on and then set my parameters in the administrative interface. The last 48 hours or so the list simply just does not receive mail or commands, from myself and other list members. There are no pending requests. I have changed no settings whatsoever from the last working configuration. The emergency moderation has been on since Day 1. I have a support ticket in with the hosting service (shared server, btw) but thought I would inquire here as well. Any ideas or speculation appreciated. Allen in Tenn. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question? Maybe not.
on 7/2/09 11:03 PM, Allen Sullivant said: I have a support ticket in with the hosting service (shared server, btw) but thought I would inquire here as well. Since you're using a hosted service, I don't know how much we'll be able to help. I suspect that you'll have to depend on your service provider for most things, but we might be able to give you some pointers as to things to talk to them about. For the moment, I would suggest that you have them review FAQ 4.78 at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 and answer the questions there. They should also be familiar with the more basic stuff discussed in the first section of the FAQ, starting with FAQ 1.22 at http://wiki.list.org/x/PIA9. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
Colin Robinson wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking to create some kind of online mailing list for my office. I am a self taught it person so my knowledge is some what limited. I am capable of learning some simple programs on my own (FrontPage, web expressions, Photoshop...) but really don't know the hard core stuff. That being said is this program the type of thing I would stand a chance at learning on my own knowing that I know nothing about Python? You don't need to know how to program in order to use Mailman, regardless of what languages you may or may not know. If you want to make changes to the way that Mailman works, you may need to know how to program in Python (or be able to learn). However, Barry Warsaw, Mark Sapiro, and Tokio Kikuchi (among many others) have worked very hard to make Mailman a very full-featured program in this space, so we would hope that there would be no need for most people to learn to program in Python. But if you want to learn how to program in Python, you could certainly choose to take Mailman as a project on which to start learning. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
Hey guys, I'm looking to create some kind of online mailing list for my office. I am a self taught it person so my knowledge is some what limited. I am capable of learning some simple programs on my own (FrontPage, web expressions, Photoshop...) but really don't know the hard core stuff. That being said is this program the type of thing I would stand a chance at learning on my own knowing that I know nothing about Python? Thanks, Colin Robinson McKimmey Associates, Realtors 501-269-7911 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
Colin Robinson wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking to create some kind of online mailing list for my office. I am a self taught it person so my knowledge is some what limited. I am capable of learning some simple programs on my own (FrontPage, web expressions, Photoshop...) but really don't know the hard core stuff. That being said is this program the type of thing I would stand a chance at learning on my own knowing that I know nothing about Python? In order to install Mailman, you need a computer with both a mail server and a web server, and your mail server needs to be properly configured in order for many ISPs to accept your mail (although if it's all intra office, this may not be an issue). In addition, some experience with *nix system administration and software installation is probably required. Unless I misunderstand your skill set and environment, if you need the kinds of capabilities Mailman provides, you should consider a hosted service. See http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Dear list, since a couple of hours I try to get to run an own mailinglist. I did the following steps: - I installed as root on my Debian 4.0 mailman with apt-get install mailman - I ran: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms and changed permissions at the errors that occured. Meanwhile there is no error anymore. - I adapted the pathes at the mm_cfg.py-Script and I wrote the -I hope -correct entries in the httpd.conf of Apache If I run: http://lists.gforge.geoplp.de/mailman/admin I come to the administration-area. As an administrator I can create new mailinglists (e.g. the list testa and get a confirmation mail of that. I can register users at the list that get as well a confirmation. But then comes the problem: As a user I want to write a mail to that list. But that mail never reaches the mailinglist members. After a couple of seconds I get a mail-delivery message from my client: This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] retry timeout exceeded What am I doing wrong? Please help! Thank you kindly in advance, Kai -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
I think you'll find that list.gforge.geoplp.de does not exist but gforge.geoplp.de does exist and accepts mail. At any rate I sent a test email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it was not returned. Hope this helps, Dennis Kai Behncke wrote: Dear list, since a couple of hours I try to get to run an own mailinglist. I did the following steps: - I installed as root on my Debian 4.0 mailman with apt-get install mailman - I ran: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms and changed permissions at the errors that occured. Meanwhile there is no error anymore. - I adapted the pathes at the mm_cfg.py-Script and I wrote the -I hope -correct entries in the httpd.conf of Apache If I run: http://lists.gforge.geoplp.de/mailman/admin I come to the administration-area. As an administrator I can create new mailinglists (e.g. the list testa and get a confirmation mail of that. I can register users at the list that get as well a confirmation. But then comes the problem: As a user I want to write a mail to that list. But that mail never reaches the mailinglist members. After a couple of seconds I get a mail-delivery message from my client: This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] retry timeout exceeded What am I doing wrong? Please help! Thank you kindly in advance, Kai -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Hi Dennis, I think you'll find that list.gforge.geoplp.de does not exist but gforge.geoplp.de does exist and accepts mail. At any rate I sent a test email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it was not returned. Hope this helps, Dennis unfortunately I get also in this case a Mail delivery failed. Nevertheless thank you :-) In the moment I check out the points at FAQ troubleshooting. It might has something to do with the configuration of sendmail. Best regards, Kai -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Kai Behncke wrote: In the moment I check out the points at FAQ troubleshooting. It might has something to do with the configuration of sendmail. This is definitely an MTA (sendmail) and/or DNS issue. Have you installed the Mailman aliases for your list(s). Have you looked in sendmail's maillog to see what it's trying to do? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Hello Mark,
This is definitely an MTA (sendmail) and/or DNS issue.
Have you installed the Mailman aliases for your list(s).
Have you looked in sendmail's maillog to see what it's trying to do?
Thank you for answering. For me as a mailman/sendmail newbie this is really not
easy.
Well, the Mailman aliases I had already inserted in /etc/mail/aliases
like that:
mailman: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman
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If I look at the sendmail-log is says at /var/log/mail.log (I think this is the
right logfile?):
Sep 9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9439]: l89HU0cm009439: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=1872, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9442]: l89HU0vb009442: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=1944, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9444]: l89HU0vb009442: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229944, relay=mx0.gmx.net.
[213.165.64.100], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Message accepted {mx057})
Sep 9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9441]: l89HU0cm009439: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229872,
relay=mx0.stratoserver.net. [81.169.163.94], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
id=1IUQbh-0001o6-RB)
Sep 9 19:30:50 h1228898 sm-mta[9451]: l89HUnA7009451: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=1957, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:31:09 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: STARTTLS=client,
relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL,
cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
Sep 9 19:31:13 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: l89HUnA7009451: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:23, xdelay=00:00:23, mailer=esmtp, pri=229957,
relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.163], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(l89HV4Rg012816 Message accepted for delivery)
Sep 9 19:31:35 h1228898 sm-mta[9456]: l89HVZZ1009456: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=2071, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:31:38 h1228898 sm-mta[9458]: l89HVZZ1009456: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=230071,
relay=mail-in-3.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.149], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(l89HVZ6x026973 Message accepted for delivery)
What could that mean?
You wrote it could be a DNS-problem?
What do you mean with that?
Do I need a DNS-Server to use mailman/sendmail?
Thank you very much!!
Kai
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Kai Behncke wrote:
Thank you for answering. For me as a mailman/sendmail newbie this is really
not easy.
Well, the Mailman aliases I had already inserted in /etc/mail/aliases
like that:
mailman: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman
These are only for the mailman list. You need another set of 10 like
complicate: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post complicate
complicate-admin:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin complicate
etc.
for the 'complicate' list and simarly for all other mailman lists. Then
you need to run the newaliases command to update the actual sendmail
database after you add the aliases to /etc/mail/aliases.
This may fix the entire problem,
If I look at the sendmail-log is says at /var/log/mail.log (I think this is
the right logfile?):
Sep 9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9439]: l89HU0cm009439: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=1872, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9442]: l89HU0vb009442: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=1944, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9444]: l89HU0vb009442: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229944, relay=mx0.gmx.net.
[213.165.64.100], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Message accepted {mx057})
Sep 9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9441]: l89HU0cm009439: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229872,
relay=mx0.stratoserver.net. [81.169.163.94], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
id=1IUQbh-0001o6-RB)
Sep 9 19:30:50 h1228898 sm-mta[9451]: l89HUnA7009451: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=1957, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:31:09 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: STARTTLS=client,
relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL,
cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
Sep 9 19:31:13 h1228898 sm-mta[9453]: l89HUnA7009451: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:23, xdelay=00:00:23, mailer=esmtp, pri=229957,
relay=mail-in-2.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.163], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(l89HV4Rg012816 Message accepted for delivery)
Sep 9 19:31:35 h1228898 sm-mta[9456]: l89HVZZ1009456: from=[EMAIL
PROTECTED], size=2071, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:31:38 h1228898 sm-mta[9458]: l89HVZZ1009456: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=230071,
relay=mail-in-3.serv.uni-osnabrueck.de. [131.173.17.149], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(l89HVZ6x026973 Message accepted for delivery)
What could that mean?
Almost all of the above entries are for outgoing notifications from
Mailman. One pair of entries (note the same esmtp id - l89HU0cm009439)
-
Sep 9 19:30:00 h1228898 sm-mta[9439]: l89HU0cm009439:
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1872,
class=-60, nrcpts=1,
msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 9 19:30:01 h1228898 sm-mta[9441]: l89HU0cm009439:
to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=229872, relay=mx0.stratoserver.net.
[81.169.163.94], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK id=1IUQbh-0001o6-RB)
is a notice to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the
complicate list, which has been sent to the MX at mx0.stratoserver.net
which may or may not kno how to send it back.
You wrote it could be a DNS-problem?
What do you mean with that?
Do I need a DNS-Server to use mailman/sendmail?
No, but you need appropriate DNS records somewhere in order to receive
mail. When I do
dig any lists.gforge.geoplp.de
I see among other things the following records
lists.gforge.geoplp.de. 1800IN MX 10 geoplp.de.
lists.gforge.geoplp.de. 1800IN MX 20 mx0.stratoserver.net.
lists.gforge.geoplp.de. 1800IN A 85.214.90.79
geoplp.de. 1800IN A 85.214.90.79
This all looks fine, but it raises the question of why sendmail relayed
the message above to mx0.stratoserver.net when geoplp.de is a higher
priority MX. This is not a DNS problem per se, but perhaps sendmail
determined that geoplp.de (which is the local host) couldn't deliver
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Hello Mark, These are only for the mailman list. You need another set of 10 like complicate: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post complicate complicate-admin:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin complicate etc. for the 'complicate' list and simarly for all other mailman lists. Then you need to run the newaliases command to update the actual sendmail database after you add the aliases to /etc/mail/aliases. This may fix the entire problem, Thanks again. I checked that out with a new mailinglist and made the required entires but again I got after 2 or three seconds a Mail-Delivery-Failure. I wonder: Is there a way that these entries are made automatically in the aliases or is it the common way to make them manually? I think I need to do some more tests here that night and tomorrow. I really want mailman to get to run, but it might be still a long way. Again, thank you very much, Kai -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Hello everybody, I think I will try a complete new installation of mailman and sendmail to have fresh systems. Are there reasons against compiling with apt-get install mailman/sendmail ? Would it be better to try with downloading source-code /configure /make /make install ? Thanky, Kai -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Can`t send mails to my list
Kai Behncke wrote: These are only for the mailman list. You need another set of 10 like complicate: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post complicate complicate-admin:|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin complicate etc. for the 'complicate' list and simarly for all other mailman lists. Then you need to run the newaliases command to update the actual sendmail database after you add the aliases to /etc/mail/aliases. This may fix the entire problem, Thanks again. I checked that out with a new mailinglist and made the required entires but again I got after 2 or three seconds a Mail-Delivery-Failure. Did you run 'newaliases' after adding the aliases? If so, this is a sendmail configuration issue of some kind, perhaps having to do with virtual hosts. I wonder: Is there a way that these entries are made automatically in the aliases or is it the common way to make them manually? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.049.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
I'm with a non-profit and looking at replacements for Lyris List manager. Does Mailman offer a web interface option to read messages as well as individual emails? Thank you, Marcy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] newbie question about how to mailman sends out bulk emails
hello and thanks for reading this, i am a computer volunteer for the goodwill rescue mission in newark,nj www.grmnewark.org i tried to find out via the faq and list archives but i could not find an answer to the following question. we need to be able to send out a mail list to about 5000 donors. our isp allows an unlimited number of outgoing emails but each email can have upto 50 email addresses. can i get mailman send out 100 emails with 50 users each? can i get mailman to send out 5000 emails one by one? if so, can i throttle the email per minute? also, i do not need the overhead of forcing people to 'join' the group. i want to just have some kind of flat file database with the list of people the mailing should goto. is this doable? thanks, dave -- and the geek shall inherit the earth verse 0:0 from the chronicles of yoyomeltz -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question about how to mailman sends out bulk emails
On 6/7/06, david meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can i get mailman send out 100 emails with 50 users each? Yes, just set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in your mm_cfg.py to 50. can i get mailman to send out 5000 emails one by one? Sure. Set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 1, and/or enable full personalization. if so, can i throttle the email per minute? No, but your MTA can. However, that's not a mailman question. also, i do not need the overhead of forcing people to 'join' the group. i want to just have some kind of flat file database with the list of people the mailing should goto. is this doable? Yes, you can mass subscribe a list of members. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
I'm subscribed here to get some answers about email list software in general, and hopefully some continuing questions about Mailman in particular. So I may be gone shortly, depending on what I discover here. I am considering setting up an email list server for possibly more than one local email discussion list. But I'm not clear on how that can be done, or whether or not it is indeed possible. Hence this post. I'm (yet another) private computer user with a home LAN and an aDSL gateway to an ISP. I'm running Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail on my own machine, which primarily means I can use any MUA at whim. It also means I've the potential to serve the LAN as well, though presently don't (wife likes her own setup...) And it also means I could cobble up a simple email mirror to do the job, but it would be a limited hack. What I want to do is run a real list server instead. Thought of majordomo but was set straight on the currently much better regarded Mailman, which is why I'm asking here. So, the question: Is it possible to run a server behind a gateway and through an ISP? Fetchmail can service list mailboxes easily enough, and Sendmail can do transport duty both ways. But in order that my machine's hostname is not carried beyond the gateway, I have to use the Sendmail '-f' switch. Simple enough. Don't know whether or not Mailman can be configured to accept messages from Fetchmail, and/or to pass outgoing to Sendmail, however. If I set up Mailman on my machine, it will (I presume) regard it's own address as that of the machine, an address only valid on my LAN. I suppose the question is whether or not I can set up reliable address translation for the outgoing smtp stuff, but I'm a relative newbie at all this and would sure like to know what is or is not feasible/possible before I get all bogged down and over my head. Is this post clear enough for a substantive response, or do I need to clarify anything? Thanks for reading, Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
William D. Tallman Is it possible to run a server behind a gateway and through an ISP? Yes. Fetchmail can service list mailboxes easily enough, and Sendmail can do transport duty both ways. But in order that my machine's hostname is not carried beyond the gateway, I have to use the Sendmail '-f' switch. Simple enough. Actually you don't. Mailman talks to sendmail at the SMTP level, not at the sendmail command level and it specifies it's own domain (configured in Mailman) in both From: and envelope sender. Don't know whether or not Mailman can be configured to accept messages from Fetchmail, and/or to pass outgoing to Sendmail, however. If you run Sendmail on your server so it listens on 'localhost' port 25, Mailman will talk to it 'out of the box' I'm not fully familiar with Fetchmail's capabilities, but if Fetchmail can retrieve mail from a remote mailbox and pipe it to a local command (different depending on which mailbox it came from), this will work. Also, Procmail can definitely do what's required to get mail to Mailman. Also, there is another 'experimental' way to get mail to Mailman where Fetchmail would deposit the incoming mail in a local directory, and Mailman's USE_MAILDIR option is set so Mailman basically polls the local directory for new mail. If I set up Mailman on my machine, it will (I presume) regard it's own address as that of the machine, an address only valid on my LAN. You would set up Mailman to know and use the external domain names. There are some potential complications mostly involving what list names appear on what web pages, but as long as you are not trying to support multiple domains with some lists in one and other lists in another, these are easily handled. I suppose the question is whether or not I can set up reliable address translation for the outgoing smtp stuff, but I'm a relative newbie at all this and would sure like to know what is or is not feasible/possible before I get all bogged down and over my head. I'm not sure what you are envisioning here, but I think there is no problem. I think everything can use 'outside' addresses. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:05:48PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: snip Aha! That's what I was hoping to hear. Saved your response, and will send majordomo-/dev/null. Hello, Mailman! Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has the page, not me. No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :) Unless I can configure Mailman to automagically ftp the ISP, login, and upload to preconfigured pages, that is. In any case, thanks for this prompt response. Looks like I'm good to go! Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
William D. Tallman wrote: Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has the page, not me. No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :) For all but very large scale lists, it is much easier to administer the lists via the web interface. You don't have to open a port. Just run a web server on your local box and connect to it at 'localhost' or via it's lan side address from elsewhere in the lan. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:04:35PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: William D. Tallman wrote: Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has the page, not me. No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :) For all but very large scale lists, it is much easier to administer the lists via the web interface. You don't have to open a port. Just run a web server on your local box and connect to it at 'localhost' or via it's lan side address from elsewhere in the lan. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Oh, I see. The site is for the administrator, then. Something like the CUPS admin page. Good enough. Will be looking at this package this evening, presumably lots of stuff to read... Thanks, Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with oneMailman installation
On 30/01/06, Daniel Spreadbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. If I go to http://dom.ain.com/mailman/, I get a you don't have permission to view /mailman/ error. If I go to http://dom.ain.com/mailman/admin, for example, I get the mailman interface as I'd expect. Is there something I can do to get /mailman to give me something sensible, or is that not how it's supposed to work? My Apache config does a standard script alias thing: ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ I'm guessing I've missed something simple here. RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://dom.ain.com/mailman/listinfo -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with one Mailman installation
Hi folks, Apologies if this is covered in the Mailman docs or the FAQs, but I'm having problems finding any concrete information. I've installed Mailman via the FreeBSD ports collection on my FreeBSD server (running 4.7). My MTA is Exim 4.22, and my web server is Apache 1.3.x. I currently have mailman in /usr/local/mailman, and my web server has a virtual host at http://lists.dom.ain/ that points at this installation. My lists therefore have addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] I run a number of different virtual domains from my server, and would like to be able to run mailing lists for each of them, but using their domain names. I don't care about the limitation that they can't use the same list name -- the number of lists will be small, and that's an avoidable problem. So what do I need to do to run e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the same Mailman installation on my server? Any pointers very gratefully received! Thanks, Daniel -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding multiple domains with oneMailman installation
Daniel Spreadbury wrote:
Apologies if this is covered in the Mailman docs or the FAQs, but I'm having
problems finding any concrete information.
Searching the FAQ wizard at
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
for
virtual
will return some relevant information including FAQs 4.29. 4.47 and
4.62.
I've installed Mailman via the FreeBSD ports collection on my FreeBSD server
(running 4.7). My MTA is Exim 4.22, and my web server is Apache 1.3.x.
Mailman version? :-)
I currently have mailman in /usr/local/mailman, and my web server has a
virtual host at http://lists.dom.ain/ that points at this installation. My
lists therefore have addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I run a number of different virtual domains from my server, and would like
to be able to run mailing lists for each of them, but using their domain
names. I don't care about the limitation that they can't use the same list
name -- the number of lists will be small, and that's an avoidable problem.
So what do I need to do to run e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] from the same Mailman installation on my
server?
Either put the Mailman specific alias and scriptalias, etc stuff in
each virtual host section in the web server config, or put it
somewhere where it will apply to all hosts.
Put directives like:
add_virtualhost('dom.ain', 'dom.ain')
add_virtualhost('another.domain','another.domain')
in mm_cfg.py. This assumes you will access the web pages via
http://dom.ain/..., as well as emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED],
i.e., that the web domain and the email domain are the same for the
hosts. If not, the generic form is
add_virtualhost('web.dom.ain', 'email.dom.ain')
Then when you create lists for these domains, they will only appear on
listinfo and admin overview pages accessed from that domain and web
links and email addresses for those lists will all use the list's
domain.
And read the FAQs mentioned above.
--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email
I just installed Mailman on my X86 PC - Debian Linux OS - Apache works but I cant figure out how to set up the actual mail settings. I have sendmail. I have my own domain and mail server but it is located on a commercial account outside my machine. My email address would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] and along with my domain is at dnsbuy.com. Do I need to set up a mail account on my local machine and if so, how do I do this? If I can use my outside email address as the post to address, how do I set it up in mailman and in sendmail? Thanks for the help. Greg Burnett -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email
Greg Burnett / Ascend Network schrieb: I just installed Mailman on my X86 PC - Debian Linux OS - Apache works but I cant figure out how to set up the actual mail settings. I have sendmail. You have sendmail on your maschine running mailman? If it is not configured and running, I would leave it as it is... I have my own domain and mail server but it is located on a commercial account outside my machine. My email address would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] and along with my domain is at dnsbuy.com. I'm bit of confused. the lists domain should be ascendnetwork.com but what is dnsbuy.com? The Domain on which your mailserver is hosted? Your own local domain? And if so why setting the lists domain to ascendnetwork.com? Do I need to set up a mail account on my local machine and if so, how do I do this? You don't. If I can use my outside email address as the post to address, how do I set it up in mailman and in sendmail? For mailman you might want to have a look at the parameter DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in Mailman/Default.py and set it correctly in Mailman/mm_cfg.py. As said before, I would leave sendmail as it is... Thanks for the help. HTH, Greg Burnett Best regards Jan -- OpenPGP Public-Key Fingerprint: 0E9B 4052 C661 5018 93C3 4E46 651A 7A28 4028 FF7A pgpco5P5po5M4.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email
dnbuy.net is the site where I registered my domain. I use their URL forwarding to my roadrunner acct for my website. I also have a pop3 acct set up through dnbuy for my domain. When someone sends an email to my domain, it goes to their dns server and is then processed through their pop3 server. I have my mail program setup to check mail via pop3 into my inbox. I have created an email address for the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] When someone send a post to that address it just sits there in the inbox on my pop3 server at dnbuy. How do I configure mailman and exim (thought it was sendmail before but it is exim4) to get posts from that acct and send them to everyone on my list? I hope that clarifies the question. I guess I know nothing about aliases. I am new to this. I set the default host in mailman to ascendnetwork.com. I subscribed to the list and the welcome email I get shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the post to address but when I send a message to the address it doesn't come back to me through the list. Again, I dont know how to set it up to get posts from my pop3 account and send them to the list members. Thanks for the help. Greg Burnett -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question - Setting up email
At 7:02 PM + 2005-09-09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I configure mailman and exim (thought it was sendmail before but it is exim4) to get posts from that acct and send them to everyone on my list? You don't. That's not the way these kinds of programs work. If you want to run Mailman on your local machine, then you need to configure things in some way so that they are delivered direct to that system from the outside world, or perhaps through a mail forwarding service at your provider. Alternatively, pay a hosting company to run Mailman for you -- see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.017.htp. If you knew what you were doing, there are other programs you could set up that would log into your POP3 account, download your mail for you, then distribute that to the system as if it had been sent in directly from the outside world, and then you could use a POP3 client to log into the local server to pick up your mail -- the system would deliver other stuff to Mailman, as appropriate. But it seems to me like you're unlikely to have the necessary knowledge and skills to properly set up a program like fetchmail or getmail to do this kind of thing. If you do want to go this route, then you will need to find assistance elsewhere in terms of how to set up programs like fetchmail or getmail, since they are not included as part of our package. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
I want to use Mailman and need to set it up quick. What is the best resource for guiding me through the setup? The hosting service I use is configured for it, all I need to do is provide the website but am having problems getting started. Any suggestions? Thanks, Troy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.679 / Virus Database: 441 - Release Date: 5/7/2004 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
At 10:25 PM -0500 2005-03-02, Troy Williams wrote: I want to use Mailman and need to set it up quick. What is the best resource for guiding me through the setup? The hosting service I use is configured for it, all I need to do is provide the website but am having problems getting started. Any suggestions? I recommend that you read the documentation at http://www.list.org/docs.html for List Managers and Site Administrators, check the searchable FAQ Wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py, and search the archives of the mailman-users mailing list as shown at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.018.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
BlankHi can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm getting no publicly advertised lists via web interface, however when I run the cgi manually, I see my lists. i'm also unable to create a list via web interface i am also using a proxy in front of the mail server. i'm running sendmail, 2.1.5 mailman, python2.3 on mandrake 9 Julie S. Lin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Julie S. Lin wrote: can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm getting no publicly advertised lists via web interface, however when I run the cgi manually, I see my lists. i'm also unable to create a list via web interface If you are not using multiple domains, set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off in mm_cfg.py. This will allow all public lists to appear on the listinfo page regardless of whether the host of the web page matches the host of the list. Depending on what the error is that prevents your creating lists from the web, it may fix that too. It will if the reason is that the host of the create web page doesn't match any of the url hosts in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. i am also using a proxy in front of the mail server. It may be that the proxy is causing the web page host name seen by the software to be different from what you are using to access the pages and causing these problems. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
At 8:09 AM -0600 2005-01-22, C. Jon Hinkle wrote: Anyway, I think I had come to about the same configuration that you all suggested, and it is nice to have confirmation that I'm thinking down the right track. I hadn't thought about Brad's point about 130 large attachments, but it is a good one. One of the things we were thinking about was a weekly distribution of a dozen 100K spreadsheets. I guess that's out. 100KB attachments are not likely to be too much of a problem. The mail systems I've administered recently have had an average message size of 60-120KB, so the kind of attachment you're talking about would fall completely within that range, and should be sustainable for multiple users for long periods of time. Of course, those were the mail systems I was administering, and this may or may not be true for your mail system. You need to look at what your mail system is able to handle, and decide what kind of load would be excessive. This needs to be done in close concert with your mail system administrators. But certainly, this is something that you need to keep an eye on. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Thanks, everybody, for your responses. I put it up yesterday with the first dozen of the 30 added in the first wave. I gave some of them full rights and left the others moderated and played with it all afternoon. I hope my boss, who gave me the assignment thinks it was a productive Friday afternoon. ;^) Anyway, I think I had come to about the same configuration that you all suggested, and it is nice to have confirmation that I'm thinking down the right track. I hadn't thought about Brad's point about 130 large attachments, but it is a good one. One of the things we were thinking about was a weekly distribution of a dozen 100K spreadsheets. I guess that's out. Looks like I'll be spending some time lurking in this forum. I'm not shy about asking for help, so you'll probably hear from me again. Thanks for your help. CJon Oh! sorry about the big sig. Our IT dept does that for anything that goes outside the system. I can't turn it off. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This electronic communication is from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services and is confidential, privileged and intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this information to the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately at the following email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] or by calling (816) 632-7276. Thank you. C. Jon Hinkle, Senior Epidemiology Specialist Division of Environmental Health and Communicable Disease Prevention Mo. Department of Health and Senior Svcs. 207 E. McElwain Cameron, Missouri 64429-1395 Phone: (816) 632-7276 Fax: (816) 632-1636 Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/05 8:26 PM At 4:27 PM -0600 2005-01-20, C. Jon Hinkle wrote: In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would be beneficial for the entire list to see? Generally speaking, munging the Reply-To: header is considered to be a bad idea -- See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.048.htp. That said, for certain types of lists, it may make sense to do this sort of thing. Lists where that is more appropriate tend to be ones that are run internally to an organization, and where you can make an across-the-board decision like this and do so with the approval of management. Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a notice. That's the path I would be inclined to take. You can choose which people get their moderation bit turned off, so that they can post directly. Everyone else gets moderated, and you have a small team of people who do the work of eliminating the wheat from the chaff. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
I have been selected to set up a Mailman system to communicate with roughly 140 users. I have exactly zero experience with this kind of endevor, although I am not totally techno-challenged. I need to set about 30 of the users to be able to post and reply at will. The rest should be able to post and reply, but with some limits. For instance, if someone posts something useful, we don't want 130 postings back to the list saying Wow! That's cool! Given the user-level of many of the 110 with limited rights, such a scenario is well within the realm of possiblity. These are the same people who reply to a Department-wide announcement by hitting the Reply All button. In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems unwieldy. For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from the 110? If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire list? Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and having the original reply-to be in force? In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would be beneficial for the entire list to see? Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a notice. If this seems disjointed, it is because I'm making it up as I go along. Any guidance you can offer is appreciated. TIA, CJon CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This electronic communication is from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services and is confidential, privileged and intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this information to the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately at the following email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] or by calling (816) 632-7276. Thank you. C. Jon Hinkle, Senior Epidemiology Specialist Division of Environmental Health and Communicable Disease Prevention Mo. Department of Health and Senior Svcs. 207 E. McElwain Cameron, Missouri 64429-1395 Phone: (816) 632-7276 Fax: (816) 632-1636 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
At 4:27 PM -0600 2005-01-20, C. Jon Hinkle wrote: In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would be beneficial for the entire list to see? Generally speaking, munging the Reply-To: header is considered to be a bad idea -- See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.048.htp. That said, for certain types of lists, it may make sense to do this sort of thing. Lists where that is more appropriate tend to be ones that are run internally to an organization, and where you can make an across-the-board decision like this and do so with the approval of management. Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a notice. That's the path I would be inclined to take. You can choose which people get their moderation bit turned off, so that they can post directly. Everyone else gets moderated, and you have a small team of people who do the work of eliminating the wheat from the chaff. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
C. Jon Hinkle wrote: I have been selected to set up a Mailman system to communicate with roughly 140 users. I have exactly zero experience with this kind of endevor, although I am not totally techno-challenged. I need to set about 30 of the users to be able to post and reply at will. The rest should be able to post and reply, but with some limits. For instance, if someone posts something useful, we don't want 130 postings back to the list saying Wow! That's cool! Given the user-level of many of the 110 with limited rights, such a scenario is well within the realm of possiblity. These are the same people who reply to a Department-wide announcement by hitting the Reply All button. In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems unwieldy. For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from the 110? I would set the list up like this: General options: strip reply-to: yes reply goes to: poster list moderator email addresses: add 2 or 3 moderators here Privacy options: Sender filters: By default, should new list member postings be moderated?: yes List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.: Add any additional always accept addresses (if any of your 30 full rights members may be occasionally sending from alternate addresses) here. When you add your 110 members, set them all to moderated except for your 30 members who should have full rights, they will be set to unmoderated status. You could do this in 2 batches, set the list so that new members are not moderated and add your 30 full rights members, then set your list so that new members are moderated and add the remaining members. Then the new members going forward will also be set to moderated by default, and you can unmoderate them as needed. If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire list? Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and having the original reply-to be in force? I can set my reply-to with the list address (as I have in this email). When mailman doesn't strip the reply-to (and it doesn't on this list) replies go back to the list instead of to the poster. Of course, your typical Wow! That's cool! user isn't going to know how to do that. In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would be beneficial for the entire list to see? You need several moderators who can approve the held messages in a timely manner. I help moderate several lists (mailman-users is one of them :-) and have found that you need three or more people who check email several times a day to keep the moderated posts from piling up and to ensure that they get approved and posted (or rejected) in a timely manner. Also remember that people get busy, take vacations, etc. so any list needs *at least* two moderators if you want to ensure that held messages are processed promptly. Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Bingo. Then, if the posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a notice. Also consider if your list will need more than one single moderator, and remember to set new members to moderated status by default - it's *much* better to change them to unmoderated after you see that they have clue than to have to set them to moderated after they have posted one or more Hey, that's cool! posts back to the whole list. jc -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
C. Jon Hinkle wrote: In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems unwieldy. For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from the 110? This is a bit confusing and perhaps not well documented. The term 'moderator' is not really well defined. Putting a persons e-mail address in the list's 'moderator' field only means that that person is notified when posts are waiting moderator approval. Generally, only a few people would be listed as owner or moderator. What enables a person to actually approve posts is knowledge of the list's moderator password. This is what actually enables a moderator to log in and perform moderator actions. Again, designating an address as a 'mdoerator' doesn't by itself confer any rights. What you want is the 30 to be unmoderated and the 110 to be moderated. Then any of the 30 can post without moderator approval. Posts from the 110 have to be approved by someone who knows the list admin or the list moderator password. The difference is the moderator password only allows moderator actions. The admin password allows that plus admin actions like mass subscribing and changing list settings. If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire list? Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and having the original reply-to be in force? Yes it's different and setting first_strip_reply_to to NO is better. This way if the poster has set a Reply-To: which is different from her From:, it won't be stripped and lost. In general, the only time you might want first_strip_reply_to to be Yes is when you are setting reply_goes_to_list to List. In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would be beneficial for the entire list to see? The person replying decides by choosing 'reply' to reply to the poster or 'reply all' or 'group reply' to reply to the poster and to the list. Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a notice. default_member_moderation only determines whether new subscribers have their moderation bit on to begin with or not. It has no effect on existing subscribers. It is a list setting, not a per member setting. The setting you want is the moderation bit per user as I indicated above. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
At 6:57 PM -0800 2005-01-21, JC Dill wrote: Also consider if your list will need more than one single moderator, and remember to set new members to moderated status by default - it's *much* better to change them to unmoderated after you see that they have clue than to have to set them to moderated after they have posted one or more Hey, that's cool! posts back to the whole list. One other note -- watch your maximum message size that you allow to be posted to the list, as well as the attachments and MIME bodypart types. If you have a list of 250 company employees, and some moron in marketing sends a 50MB PowerPoint presentation to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, that works out to about 12GB of disk storage that you have to suddenly find to store all 250 copies of that 50MB attachment, and a hell of a lot of disk I/O to write all that out at once. I worked at a local ISP that had a mail server for 250,000 customers that was completely nuked in this way by one of our own marketing dweebs, and the machine only had something like 8GB of disk space free. The entire mail server was down for hours as I tried to clean things up and to purge all the bogus copies of that presentation. You can imagine how upset all the 250,000 customers were that the mail server was down. Trust me, you don't want to have this happen to you. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)
I have read through the FAQ and tried to locate every piece of information I could about MIME types and attachments, esp. reading 4.39, and I'm still confused, so am hoping that others can provide some simple clarification. What I'd like to do: 1) Prevent all attachments from going through. (Note that if my settings below are too broad and will result in rejecting messages that aren't really attachments, let me know.) 2) Accept html, or real text format formatted messages without translating them to plain text. However, if this means that other formats such as pdf, word, etc., would also have to be accepted, than I'd give up on html. 3) Send a notice automatically to a sender if their attachment has been rejected. 4) Send the remaining plain text part of the message to the list without the attachment. My current 'Content Filtering' options (see below) are rejecting attachments and html-formatted messages. The entire message is rejected -- even if there are remaining plain text parts. RTF formatted messages are, however, converted to plain text. No notice of a rejection is sent to the poster, so I've configured the last option to send the message to the e-list owner, so that the owner could manually notify users. Note that I don't seem to have access to the unix shell. My current list Content Filtering options are as follows: Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? -- Yes Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. none listed Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. -- I've listed two types -- text/plain and, on a separate line text/html Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? No Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. Forward to List Owner Thank you for any clarification! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)
Newman, Linda (newmanld) wrote: I have read through the FAQ and tried to locate every piece of information I could about MIME types and attachments, esp. reading 4.39, and I'm still confused, so am hoping that others can provide some simple clarification. What I'd like to do: 1) Prevent all attachments from going through. (Note that if my settings below are too broad and will result in rejecting messages that aren't really attachments, let me know.) See below. 2) Accept html, or real text format formatted messages without translating them to plain text. However, if this means that other formats such as pdf, word, etc., would also have to be accepted, than I'd give up on html. It doesn't, you can do it - except see below regarding multipart/alternative. 3) Send a notice automatically to a sender if their attachment has been rejected. I don't think you can do this if the whole message is not rejected. 4) Send the remaining plain text part of the message to the list without the attachment. You can do this, but I don't think you can get a reject notice to the poster in this case. My current 'Content Filtering' options (see below) are rejecting attachments and html-formatted messages. The entire message is rejected -- even if there are remaining plain text parts. RTF formatted messages are, however, converted to plain text. No notice of a rejection is sent to the poster, so I've configured the last option to send the message to the e-list owner, so that the owner could manually notify users. This will only work if the entire message is filtered and nothing is left for the list. Note that I don't seem to have access to the unix shell. My current list Content Filtering options are as follows: Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? -- Yes Right. Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. none listed Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. -- I've listed two types -- text/plain and, on a separate line text/html This won't work. It's too restrictive it will only allow single part messages whose content-type is text/html or text/plain. You also need to allow the text/plain and/or text/html parts from multipart messages. Thus you must add to the above types multipart/mixed multipart/alternative Also, you may wish to add message/rfc822 to allow text/plain and text/html parts from some forwarded messages. Note that allowing these types does not allow the entire multipart through, it just alows its sub-parts to be examined rather than deleted. Further, note that if the message contains a multipart/alternative part with both a text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative, only the first alternative which is always supposed to be the text/plain part. To get HTML through to the list you either have to disallow text/plain or make sure the HTML is not in a multipart/alternative part with a text/plain alternative. This is difficult if not impossible to do with some MUAs. Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? No Good. Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. Forward to List Owner See above. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)
Mark -- I really appreciate your answers to my questions. I now have the following 'pass types' allowed: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html message/rfc822 This appears to handle plain text messages, and forwarded plain text messages, while still dis-allowing attachments that are word files or pdf files, executables, etc. It also continues to translate html messages into plain text, but if I understand your answer below, this is because the first part of a multipart/alternative message is usually plain text, and so that's what mailman accepts. So, it appears that if I want html formatted messages to also be on this list, while of course also still allowing plain text, I'd have to either a) find an MUA that doesn't send html as multipart, but just as html (suggestions?) b) not do any filtering of attachments. Let me know if I have mis-understood. -- Linda -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:03 PM To: Newman, Linda (newmanld); '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again) Newman, Linda (newmanld) wrote: I have read through the FAQ and tried to locate every piece of information I could about MIME types and attachments, esp. reading 4.39, and I'm still confused, so am hoping that others can provide some simple clarification. What I'd like to do: 1) Prevent all attachments from going through. (Note that if my settings below are too broad and will result in rejecting messages that aren't really attachments, let me know.) See below. 2) Accept html, or real text format formatted messages without translating them to plain text. However, if this means that other formats such as pdf, word, etc., would also have to be accepted, than I'd give up on html. It doesn't, you can do it - except see below regarding multipart/alternative. 3) Send a notice automatically to a sender if their attachment has been rejected. I don't think you can do this if the whole message is not rejected. 4) Send the remaining plain text part of the message to the list without the attachment. You can do this, but I don't think you can get a reject notice to the poster in this case. My current 'Content Filtering' options (see below) are rejecting attachments and html-formatted messages. The entire message is rejected -- even if there are remaining plain text parts. RTF formatted messages are, however, converted to plain text. No notice of a rejection is sent to the poster, so I've configured the last option to send the message to the e-list owner, so that the owner could manually notify users. This will only work if the entire message is filtered and nothing is left for the list. Note that I don't seem to have access to the unix shell. My current list Content Filtering options are as follows: Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? -- Yes Right. Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. none listed Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. -- I've listed two types -- text/plain and, on a separate line text/html This won't work. It's too restrictive it will only allow single part messages whose content-type is text/html or text/plain. You also need to allow the text/plain and/or text/html parts from multipart messages. Thus you must add to the above types multipart/mixed multipart/alternative Also, you may wish to add message/rfc822 to allow text/plain and text/html parts from some forwarded messages. Note that allowing these types does not allow the entire multipart through, it just alows its sub-parts to be examined rather than deleted. Further, note that if the message contains a multipart/alternative part with both a text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative, only the first alternative which is always supposed to be the text/plain part. To get HTML through to the list you either have to disallow text/plain or make sure the HTML is not in a multipart/alternative part with a text/plain alternative. This is difficult if not impossible to do with some MUAs. Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? No Good. Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. Forward to List Owner See above. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question -- Attachments (again)
Newman, Linda (newmanld) wrote: Mark -- I really appreciate your answers to my questions. I now have the following 'pass types' allowed: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html message/rfc822 This is good. This appears to handle plain text messages, and forwarded plain text messages, while still dis-allowing attachments that are word files or pdf files, executables, etc. It also continues to translate html messages into plain text, but if I understand your answer below, this is because the first part of a multipart/alternative message is usually plain text, and so that's what mailman accepts. Right. It isn't translating HTML to plain text. It is selecting the text/plain part over the text/html part from a multipart alternative message. BTW, i left out a phrase in Further, note that if the message contains a multipart/alternative part with both a text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative, only the first alternative which is always supposed to be the text/plain part. It should have said only the first alternative ... is retained for the list, but you seem to have understood it anyway. So, it appears that if I want html formatted messages to also be on this list, while of course also still allowing plain text, I'd have to either a) find an MUA that doesn't send html as multipart, but just as html (suggestions?) b) not do any filtering of attachments. Let me know if I have mis-understood. You appear to understand perfectly. Regarding a), Netscape/Mozilla for example allows you to choose whether to send HTML vs multipart/alternative in various ways - globally, by address book entry, by domain, by asking. As far as I know, M$ lookout (er.. outlook) express allows you to specify plain text in address books, but if you want to send HTML, it always sends multipart/alternative. I think outlook (not express) may send HTML only, but I can't tell you how to set it up. Normally I'm only interested in setting things to not send any HTML. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question: where do I begin from?
Fellows, I´m new the list and have no experience with Mailman. I´ve installed Fedora Core 2 on my server and configured Postifx, so it already send and recieves mail. Mailman is installed, though. So, what do I do now? I´ve tried to create a new list via http://myserver/mailman/admin, but it asks me about a list creator password or something like that. Where do I set it up? And where do I tell Mailman who´s allowed to create new lists on that server? Thanks for any help! Regards, Luis Fernando C. Talora = Esta mensagem pode conter informação confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se você não for o destinatário ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, não deverá utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informação nela contida ou tomar qualquer ação baseada nessas informações. Se você recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o e-mail e em seguida apague-o. Agradecemos sua cooperação. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. = -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: where do I begin from?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Im new the list and have no experience with Mailman. Ive installed Fedora Core 2 on my server and configured Postifx, so it already send and recieves mail. Mailman is installed, though. So, what do I do now? Check out /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.5/INSTALL.REDHAT for how to finish configuring mailman on your Fedora system. - -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp == A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. -- H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFBEPJQuv+09NZUB1oRArn2AKCDD915WuR132kVP1eeyV6zXmLmsACg1zJC aRu30nEgE5boztntiHDknq4= =Txd7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:09, Jim Chivas wrote: I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your suggestion and it works ok. Now new question. I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex: http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create Note the port number! The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is my trouble. To correct this I added DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080' This will not work. Default_URL_Host is simply the hostname. The way Mailman treats this variable makes it so that you *must* instead make the change in: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' In your case I think this will work: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/' to my mm_cfg.py file at the end. I then stopped and started mailmanctl. When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL. Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no port# url as follows. http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview) http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview) Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for mailman? Thanks Jim Give that a try, Jim. Note: I believe that your existing lists will already have the old URL stored in their database (config.pck) - so you will need to either recreate the lists (after making the above change) or you will have to use withlist to modify the url inside the existing lists databases. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your suggestion and it works ok. Now new question. I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex: http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create Note the port number! The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is my trouble. To correct this I added DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080' to my mm_cfg.py file at the end. I then stopped and started mailmanctl. When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL. Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no port# url as follows. http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview) http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview) Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for mailman? Thanks Jim On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote: On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: Did you stop and restart Apache? yes. Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? None. Is this the correct url ? http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman should be fine as long as your servers domain name is my-server-name :-) Does my install directory look correct? In my installs I don't use the Directory directive to define Apache's access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point there. Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify ExecCGI in the Options statement (and not None). Good Luck - Jon Carnes Thanks Jim -- - Jim Chivas email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information And Computing services fax:(604) 323-5349 Langara College Voice: (604) 323-5390 100 West 49th Avenue http://www.langara.bc.ca Vancouver, B.C., Canada V5Y 2Z6 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On 25 Mar 2004, at 05:09, Jim Chivas wrote: I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your suggestion and it works ok. Now new question. I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex: http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create Note the port number! The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is my trouble. To correct this I added DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080' to my mm_cfg.py file at the end. I then stopped and started mailmanctl. When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL. Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no port# url as follows. http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview) http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview) Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for mailman? See under the heading Non-standard web server ports in this FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp Thanks Jim On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote: On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: Did you stop and restart Apache? yes. Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? None. Is this the correct url ? http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman should be fine as long as your servers domain name is my-server-name :-) Does my install directory look correct? In my installs I don't use the Directory directive to define Apache's access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point there. Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify ExecCGI in the Options statement (and not None). Good Luck - Jon Carnes Thanks Jim -- - Jim Chivas email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information And Computing services fax:(604) 323-5349 Langara College Voice: (604) 323-5390 100 West 49th Avenue http://www.langara.bc.ca Vancouver, B.C., Canada V5Y 2Z6 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Did you stop and restart Apache? Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote: Greetings: I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7. It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it. Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I can now configure this new list by accessing: http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below the admin file in the cgi-bin area. When I do this or any other access I receive the famous: 'file not' found page in my browser. Did I miss something during the install? Thanks Jim My apache server configs are: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/ # Directory/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory While my install layout is: # pwd /usr/local/mailman # ls -al cgi-bin total 796 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 2 21:42 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Mar 3 22:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36456 Mar 2 21:42 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 subscribe # -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: Did you stop and restart Apache? yes. Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? None. Is this the correct url ? http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman Does my install directory look correct? Thanks Jim On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote: Greetings: I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7. It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it. Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I can now configure this new list by accessing: http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below the admin file in the cgi-bin area. When I do this or any other access I receive the famous: 'file not' found page in my browser. Did I miss something during the install? Thanks Jim My apache server configs are: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/ # Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory While my install layout is: # pwd /usr/local/mailman # ls -al cgi-bin total 796 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 2 21:42 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Mar 3 22:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36456 Mar 2 21:42 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 subscribe # -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- - Jim Chivas email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information And Computing services fax:(604) 323-5349 Langara College Voice: (604) 323-5390 100 West 49th Avenue http://www.langara.bc.ca Vancouver, B.C., Canada V5Y 2Z6 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote: On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: Did you stop and restart Apache? yes. Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? None. Is this the correct url ? http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman should be fine as long as your servers domain name is my-server-name :-) Does my install directory look correct? In my installs I don't use the Directory directive to define Apache's access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point there. Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify ExecCGI in the Options statement (and not None). Good Luck - Jon Carnes Thanks Jim On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote: Greetings: I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7. It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it. Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I can now configure this new list by accessing: http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below the admin file in the cgi-bin area. When I do this or any other access I receive the famous: 'file not' found page in my browser. Did I miss something during the install? Thanks Jim My apache server configs are: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/ # Directory/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory While my install layout is: # pwd /usr/local/mailman # ls -al cgi-bin total 796 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 2 21:42 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Mar 3 22:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36456 Mar 2 21:42 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 subscribe # -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- - Jim Chivas email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information And Computing services fax:(604) 323-5349 Langara College Voice: (604) 323-5390 100 West 49th Avenue http://www.langara.bc.ca Vancouver, B.C., Canada V5Y 2Z6 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
Greetings: I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7. It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it. Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I can now configure this new list by accessing: http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below the admin file in the cgi-bin area. When I do this or any other access I receive the famous: 'file not' found page in my browser. Did I miss something during the install? Thanks Jim My apache server configs are: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/ # Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory While my install layout is: # pwd /usr/local/mailman # ls -al cgi-bin total 796 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 2 21:42 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Mar 3 22:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36456 Mar 2 21:42 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 subscribe # -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Ok, thanks, i will go for it and ask again if i'll have a blocking point. On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:14, Jon Carnes wrote: The aliases from Mailman point to an application. So all mail going to a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the rules you have setup for the list). HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote: Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list from an unsubscribed user? On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote: Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where to deliver it (a user or mailman). If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another machine. Thanks again Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is one that is specifically setup to run the applications. The name of that user is normally mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
The aliases from Mailman point to an application. So all mail going to a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the rules you have setup for the list). HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote: Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list from an unsubscribed user? On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote: Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where to deliver it (a user or mailman). If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another machine. Thanks again Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is one that is specifically setup to run the applications. The name of that user is normally mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote: Hi, I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured. Thanks If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration and maintenance of your lists). For further help on installation see the docs at: http://www.list.org/docs.html And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where to deliver it (a user or mailman). If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another machine. Thanks again On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 15:00, Jon Carnes wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote: Hi, I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured. Thanks If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration and maintenance of your lists). For further help on installation see the docs at: http://www.list.org/docs.html And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote: Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where to deliver it (a user or mailman). If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another machine. Thanks again Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is one that is specifically setup to run the applications. The name of that user is normally mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi, I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured. Thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding Mailman commands via email
Hello, We recently changed our mailing list software from Listsev to Mailman. Users of the old Listserv system could only send email commands to do administrative and subscription tasks. I know that Mailman has a limited set of commands. Are there plans to increase the number of commands? We've been getting complaints from users who still want to do tasks via email, as opposed to using the web interface. Will the commands currently available continue to be supported in future versions of mailman? Thanks. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi all I've managed to install mailman and get it running with a couple of test lists, but for some reason the list name is not being prepended in the email subject lines. (Am I missing something really simple?) Any ideas? Thanks M Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd http://www.blacknightsolutions.ie/ http://www.search.ie/ Tel. + 353 (0)59 9139897 # This message (and any attachment) is intended only for the recipient and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message immediately. Disclosure, copying or other action taken in respect of this email or in reliance to it is prohibited. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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At 12:20 PM -0400 2003/07/11, Ed Hill wrote: Changing the DNS from a CNAME to an A record did indeed fix it. Actually, this is a fairly typical problem. If you're using sendmail, this is covered in the FAQ, see http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section4.html#4.5. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
Hi folks, I've setup mailman for a low-traffic public list and, while all the mails seem to get through just fine, I'm having one nagging little problem. I'd like the Reply-To: address to point to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but mails sent from the list appear to be from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in spite of my efforts to specify the Return-To: settings through the mailman admin tools. For instance, heres part of a header: Received: from onyx.he.net (onyx.he.net [216.218.161.2]) by forge.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AEFXMf018850 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:15:33 -0400 Received: from eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu (eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.3.131]) by onyx.he.net (8.8.6p2003-03-31/8.8.2) with ESMTP id HAA05609 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:15:33 -0700 and it appears from this that sendmail is changing the Reply-To: address. Any suggestions on how I can fix this? thanks! Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Hay Ed, What version of Mailman are you using? Guessing that you are using a recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed to the Web host) separate within the configuration file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different from the default. The kids are calling so I've got to be running! Good Luck - Jon On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 10:25, Ed Hill wrote: Hi folks, I've setup mailman for a low-traffic public list and, while all the mails seem to get through just fine, I'm having one nagging little problem. I'd like the Reply-To: address to point to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but mails sent from the list appear to be from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in spite of my efforts to specify the Return-To: settings through the mailman admin tools. For instance, heres part of a header: Received: from onyx.he.net (onyx.he.net [216.218.161.2]) by forge.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AEFXMf018850 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:15:33 -0400 Received: from eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu (eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.3.131]) by onyx.he.net (8.8.6p2003-03-31/8.8.2) with ESMTP id HAA05609 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:15:33 -0700 and it appears from this that sendmail is changing the Reply-To: address. Any suggestions on how I can fix this? thanks! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:33, Jon Carnes wrote: Hay Ed, What version of Mailman are you using? Guessing that you are using a recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed to the Web host) separate within the configuration file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py Hi Jon, Thanks for responding! I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9 and the machine has the name forge.lcs.mit.edu with a CNAME of dev.mitgcm.org pointing to the same IP address. Through the Mailman admin web interface I set the Reply-To: address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the Mailman config file I set: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org' and also in sendmail.mc I used: MASQUERADE_AS(`dev.mitgcm.org')dnl FEATURE(allmasquerade)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(forge.lcs.mit.edu)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(dev.mitgcm.org)dnl and made sure to run the sendmail.cf--rebuild command and restart all daemons. But after all that the emails from the list still arrive at my inbox with To: and Reply-To: addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] when what I'd prefer is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Its really just an annoyance since the list emails seem to go to all the right places -- I just want the different fqdn in the To: and Reply-To: headers. So I'm stumped. What config-file invocation am I missing? You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different from the default. The kids are calling so I've got to be running! Good Luck - Jon Thanks again and I hope things are going well in NC! ;-) Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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Ahh, the list was already created before you did all this right? You'll have to use a special fix_url script on your list (or delete and recreate the list). The script is found in ~mailman/bin/.. Life in NC is fun (as usual). You are missed. Hope you're having fun in my old haunts up in Cambridge! Take care - Jon On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 14:12, Ed Hill wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:33, Jon Carnes wrote: Hay Ed, What version of Mailman are you using? Guessing that you are using a recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed to the Web host) separate within the configuration file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py Hi Jon, Thanks for responding! I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9 and the machine has the name forge.lcs.mit.edu with a CNAME of dev.mitgcm.org pointing to the same IP address. Through the Mailman admin web interface I set the Reply-To: address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the Mailman config file I set: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org' and also in sendmail.mc I used: MASQUERADE_AS(`dev.mitgcm.org')dnl FEATURE(allmasquerade)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(forge.lcs.mit.edu)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(dev.mitgcm.org)dnl and made sure to run the sendmail.cf--rebuild command and restart all daemons. But after all that the emails from the list still arrive at my inbox with To: and Reply-To: addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] when what I'd prefer is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Its really just an annoyance since the list emails seem to go to all the right places -- I just want the different fqdn in the To: and Reply-To: headers. So I'm stumped. What config-file invocation am I missing? You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different from the default. The kids are calling so I've got to be running! Good Luck - Jon Thanks again and I hope things are going well in NC! ;-) Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
At 2:12 PM -0400 2003/07/10, Ed Hill wrote: Thanks for responding! I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9 and the machine has the name forge.lcs.mit.edu with a CNAME of dev.mitgcm.org pointing to the same IP address. Therein lies the problem. RFC 822 (and 2822) require that all CNAME aliases be resolved to their canonical name, before being put in mail headers. This problem cannot be solved by mailman, or your MTA. You need to fix your DNS. Make dev.mitgcm.org directly resolve to the same IP address as forge.lcs.mit.edu, and that should do it. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out by domain. Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If there are 14 folks at one domain then only one message will be sent to that domain's Mail server. If there are 140 folks at one domain, then two messages will be sent to that domain's mail server. Bandwidth is not a normal concern for Mail servers since mail is a store and forward service. If you have a need for large messages to flow out quickly then bandwidth becomes a concern. Also of concern in that case is tweaking Sendmail and your production environment so that it handles mail as quickly as possible. That being the case, you should look at running Postfix (which comes optimized), and also look at running a caching DNS server on the same machine as Mailman/Postfix. Good Luck! - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:39, Rob Jolliffe wrote: Hi everyone, I have a bandwidth question. My searches of the archives and google turned up very little. I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - but I thought I should ask for clairification. Here is my question. [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.] I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, maybe 5k average size, 1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window. This is pretty high bandwidth imho. Does a mailing list really require this kind of thruput? Thanks very much -Rob - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On 24 Dec 2002 at 3:04, Danny Terweij wrote: From: Danny Terweij [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Date sent: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:04:54 +0100 From: Rob Jolliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? I have a simular setup. Lets explain only my outbound mail :) ... So just 1 outgoing message with many receipients in it. (limited at 300 per mail at mm_cfg.py) At the beginning i did use MX resolvings. Yech! took me hours to send out the mail. Now i am happy and is running for a few month. Hi Danny, How many users on your mailing list? How many messages per day? Thanks - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi JC, On 23 Dec 2002 at 19:54, J C Lawrence wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Date sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:54:03 -0800 From: J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 Rob Jolliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message. Fair enough. If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)... Yes. ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target MXes this can't be answered. In my case my system is rather connected (three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site. I would have to analyze my target MXes - which I haven't done. My bad. My QoS is low. 99% should be fine. 99.9% would be fantastic. This is a volunteer list. Here's a simple question I hope. If I pass-through my messages to an external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages into the different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP server? In other words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100 addresses (for 1000 user list), or does it pre-parse the list into domains and then send them? Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window. If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then yes. Do you require a 5 minute delivery window? Really? 5 minutes is a starting point, but not necessarily what we will ultimately settle for. - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi, On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote: Subject:Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: Mailman users Mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: 24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500 The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out by domain. Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thanks for the reply. You say by default. Does this mean that it can be configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do that instead? Thanks -Rob - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi Jon, Thanks to you and everyone for your answers. I think I've got more or less the information I wanted. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. -Rob On 24 Dec 2002 at 11:58, Jon Carnes wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 11:01, Rob Jolliffe wrote: Hi, On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote: The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out by domain. Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thanks for the reply. You say by default. Does this mean that it can be configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do that instead? Thanks -Rob In this case, the non-default is to break out the messages by individual sender (what they now call personalization mode). For your use, default should work okay. Also, you should setup Sendmail (or whatever MTA you are using) to use your ISP's Mail service as a smart relay. That way, mailman will break out all the messages via domain and send one message to each domain. Each Mailing list message will be dropped off with your MTA (the local Sendmail install). Sendmail will see that the messages are not local and forward them to your ISP's Mail service. Your ISP will receive the messages and do all the heavy lifting of DNS look-ups and different Mail server communications. Enjoy! Jon Carnes - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:39 -0500 Rob Jolliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My QoS is low. 99% should be fine. 99.9% would be fantastic. This is a volunteer list. QoS in this sense is the latency between a message starting to be broadcast and all copies to non-slow MXes delivered. Here's a simple question I hope. If I pass-through my messages to an external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages into the different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP server? Mailman does no parsing or processing of mail beyond adding list specific headers and attaching bundles of RCPT TO addresses to messages as it passes them to the MTA. In other words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100 addresses (for 1000 user list), or does it pre-parse the list into domains and then send them? The former. 5 minutes is a starting point, but not necessarily what we will ultimately settle for. For that sort of problem domain I'd be happy with an hour or less. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi everyone, I have a bandwidth question. My searches of the archives and google turned up very little. I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - but I thought I should ask for clairification. Here is my question. [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.] I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, maybe 5k average size, 1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window. This is pretty high bandwidth imho. Does a mailing list really require this kind of thruput? Thanks very much -Rob - Robert Jolliffe President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions Technology Partner, Dynac Inc. www.creativemfg.ca www.dynactools.ca tel (519)585-7524 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 Rob Jolliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!). I want to move this list on to my own server. My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own. When I send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached? RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message. If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day, maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)... Yes. ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient. With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target MXes this can't be answered. In my case my system is rather connected (three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site. Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window. If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then yes. Do you require a 5 minute delivery window? Really? This is pretty high bandwidth imho. Does a mailing list really require this kind of thruput? What QoS do you require? Can your target MXes support that QoS? Do they even desire it, let alone require it? Would anybody notice if it were slower? -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question -- sendmail errors
This is simply one of the first of a few errors you will run into while installing on Red Hat (using the rpms). You need to add a link in your /etc/smrsh directory to your mailman wrapper program. Something like: cd /etc/smrsh ln -s ~mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper This tells smrsh that Mailman's wrapper program is okay-dokie to run via a Sendmail alias. Next problem you will run into is that your Sendmail does not listen for a local connection. If you install from source, there are some really nice files that tell you all about smrsh and about the overly paranoid Sendmail problem - and how to get around them. There are a couple of ways around the Sendmail problem, the easiest is to comment out the line in your /etc/sendmail.cf file that restricts the interfaces used by Sendmail. If that line is commented out then Sendmail will default to listening on all local interfaces, and isn't that a happy thing to do!?! # SMTP client options #O ClientPortOptions=Address= .. Good Luck! On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 00:53, Dodson, Matthew wrote: I am runnibg redhat 7.2 with the latest build of mailman. I receive the following error from sendmail when I try to confirm a subscription. Sorry if this has been answered before. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ops (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - smrsh: wrapper.mailcmd.ops not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Thanks, MD -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] newbie question -- sendmail errors
I am runnibg redhat 7.2 with the latest build of mailman. I receive the following error from sendmail when I try to confirm a subscription. Sorry if this has been answered before. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ops (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - smrsh: wrapper.mailcmd.ops not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Thanks, MD -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] 'Newbie' question - List posting to newsgroups - How?
Hello I would like to know how to get my Mailman mailing list to 'forward' postings made to it to a 'remote' newsgroup account. Anybody advise, please, if this is possible and if so, how? Thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] newbie question -- installation
I thought I just got mailman set up. I created a test mailing list test and try to subscribe to the list. I got confirmation number and reply as instructed. But I never got Welcome message. View subscribers of test or running bin/list_members test gave me a blank page. I would appreciate you kind help if you can point out what could be wrong with my setting. Thanks in advance! Hongbin -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] newbie question --installation
Greetings all: I thought I just got mailman set up. I created a test mailing list test and try to subscribe to the list. I got confirmation number and reply as instructed. But I never got Welcome message. View subscribers of test or running bin/list_members test gave me a blank page. I would appreciate you kind help if you can point out what could be wrong with my setting. Thanks in advance! Hongbin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] newbie question: email addreses for the virtusertable
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[Mailman-Users] newbie question: email addreses for the virtusertable
Dear All, I am quite new to Mailman and was wondering where could i find the list of email addresses that Mailman users. I am trying to set it up for virtual host domains on my server. For example, i need to find out the list of email addresses like listname[EMAIL PROTECTED], etc., that Mailman needs so that i can add these to the virtusertable entries. Thanks in advance and best regards Venky _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Apache virtual hosts Mailman
Hi, I've been asked to set up Mailman for a client of ours. We currently run an Apache (1.3.9) Web server which has a number of virtual hosts. Can Mailman be run under a virtual host? Thanks in advance. Wylie ~~ Wylie Horn, NSMS, Oxford University Computing Services 13 Banbury Road, Oxford, England, UK, OX2 6NN Tel: +44 1865 283 410 Fax: +44 1865 273 275 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 02:24:02PM -0600, Brian Noecker wrote: Update on this: Seems that the problems with the admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error stem from the following observations: the /opt/mailman/lists and /opt/mailman/lists/test/config.db file has permissions and ownership as such: drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman 3072 Apr 10 13:48 test -rw-rw1 mailman mailman 3392 Apr 10 13:48 config.db -rw-rw1 www-data mailman 3391 Apr 10 13:47 config.db.last -rw-rw1 www-data mailman 3029 Apr 10 11:47 config.db.tmp.development.corp.jabber.com.21024 Now, as you can see, the config.db.tmp files are being created everytime I make a change that effects the config.db. The temp file is written by the Are you running any secure linux kernel with restricted hardlinks? If so, see README.linux and the script to fix this in crontrib (in the main source tree) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems security what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
Ok, totally new to mailman, but giving it a try. Currently I have version 2.0.9 runnig on Linux. The install seemed to work fine. The ./check_perms reports things are fine. I have mailman running as mailman, with group mailman. I have a web server running under a different www-data account. I think I have some permission issues however, for I tend to see the following error pop up in different places. Most notably, when a new user signs up, they get a Subscription results page confirming their sign up, but with the following at the bottom. Content-type: text/html Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. --- In the logs I see: Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Delivery exception: Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Traceback (innermost last): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 77, in process mlist.Lock() File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 1339, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 266, in lock raise AlreadyLockedError AlreadyLockedError: Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 admin(21776): admin(21776): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.9 -] admin(21776): [- Traceback --] admin(21776): Traceback (innermost last): admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/scripts/driver, line 96, in run_main admin(21776): main() admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py, line 77, in main admin(21776): mlist.Save() admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 857, in Save admin(21776): self.__save(dict) admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 833, in __save admin(21776): os.link(fname, fname_last) admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted admin(21776): [- Python Information -] admin(21776): sys.version= 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- admin(21776): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(21776): sys.prefix = /usr admin(21776): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(21776): sys.path = /usr admin(21776): sys.platform = linux-i386 - I see the OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error pop up in other places as well. Ideas to get me started? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
RE: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Update on this: Seems that the problems with the admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error stem from the following observations: the /opt/mailman/lists and /opt/mailman/lists/test/config.db file has permissions and ownership as such: drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman 3072 Apr 10 13:48 test -rw-rw1 mailman mailman 3392 Apr 10 13:48 config.db -rw-rw1 www-data mailman 3391 Apr 10 13:47 config.db.last -rw-rw1 www-data mailman 3029 Apr 10 11:47 config.db.tmp.development.corp.jabber.com.21024 Now, as you can see, the config.db.tmp files are being created everytime I make a change that effects the config.db. The temp file is written by the www user and looks as if it needs to be re-written as the config.db, but can't. We tried chmod 777 on config.db, but no luck. We then tried chown www-data.mailman config.db and then it worked fine. I don't understand why this process is failing. We have another mailman install that keeps the mailman.mailman permissions on config.db and works fine. Can anyone explain this, or how the process should work? thanks, Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Noecker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:15 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question Ok, totally new to mailman, but giving it a try. Currently I have version 2.0.9 runnig on Linux. The install seemed to work fine. The ./check_perms reports things are fine. I have mailman running as mailman, with group mailman. I have a web server running under a different www-data account. I think I have some permission issues however, for I tend to see the following error pop up in different places. Most notably, when a new user signs up, they get a Subscription results page confirming their sign up, but with the following at the bottom. Content-type: text/html Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. --- In the logs I see: Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Delivery exception: Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Traceback (innermost last): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py, line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 77, in process mlist.Lock() File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 1339, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File /opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 266, in lock raise AlreadyLockedError AlreadyLockedError: Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 admin(21776): admin(21776): [- Mailman Version: 2.0.9 -] admin(21776): [- Traceback --] admin(21776): Traceback (innermost last): admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/scripts/driver, line 96, in run_main admin(21776): main() admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py, line 77, in main admin(21776): mlist.Save() admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 857, in Save admin(21776): self.__save(dict) admin(21776): File /opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 833, in __save admin(21776): os.link(fname, fname_last) admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted admin(21776): [- Python Information -] admin(21776): sys.version= 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- admin(21776): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(21776): sys.prefix = /usr admin(21776): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(21776): sys.path = /usr admin(21776): sys.platform = linux-i386 - I see the OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error pop up in other places as well. Ideas to get me started? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file or db' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?
hello all sorry if this was asked before, i could not find an answer to my question. we don't have a list server so far but what we are trying to do is, feed a list server with email-addresses (100.000+ and growing) from our databases. of course not all email-addressee are correct :) so we need a list of bounced email-addresses to update our db's . is there such a list or file in mailman ? thanks in advance lothar -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file or db' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?
Your asking for a list of bounced addresses? That list would be millions of addresses long...I doubt if anyone has anything like that! Your best best would be to input the addresses into the lists and let the software do the work! This is of course JMHO Paul The ultimate search engine: http://www.paulsfunhouse.com/search/ At 05:01 PM 27/03/02, Lothar Egger wrote: of course not all email-addressee are correct :) so we need a list of bounced email-addresses to update our db's . is there such a list or file in mailman ? thanks in advance lothar -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file ordb' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?
I guess he's asking if Mailman has a feature which allows it to store all the bounced addresses in a mailing list in a file. Hmm .. you can try logs/bounce for a list of such addresses I think ... On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Paul Croft wrote: Your asking for a list of bounced addresses? That list would be millions of addresses long...I doubt if anyone has anything like that! Your best best would be to input the addresses into the lists and let the software do the work! This is of course JMHO Paul The ultimate search engine: http://www.paulsfunhouse.com/search/ At 05:01 PM 27/03/02, Lothar Egger wrote: of course not all email-addressee are correct :) so we need a list of bounced email-addresses to update our db's . is there such a list or file in mailman ? thanks in advance lothar -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Farhan Ahmed Project Leader - FreeLinuxTraining.org Opaquenetworks [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Aliases in postfix not being created
At 15:00 -0700 1/23/2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: 1. Why isn't mailman creating the aliases automatically when I run ./newlist Because different MTA's use different alias files and MM can't just go on assuming what you have, where it is and how to add it. Aliases _can_ be added automatically if you tell it to by supplying the -o filename [1] on the command line: ./newlist -o /etc/mail/aliases (for sendmail) However, it won't run the newaliases command for you, you need to do that yourself. And I don't know what your MTA needs in terms of aliases. Including nothing, for some MTA's suitably configured. Doing so is easy with Exim; it is said to be easy with Postfix (but I have no experience with that). Basically, Exim is instructed to find lists by looking for their configuration DB, and then direct mail appropriately. The new list is ready for email when the ./newlist command finishes. See the Exim site for instructions on how do to it with Exim. --John -- John Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Port Ludlow, WA, USA -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question on Upgrading and Moving mailman
Hello, I am planning to update mailman from 2.0beta5-3 to mailman-2.0.8-1 as well as moving the lists to another Red Hat Linux machine. Having read the FAQ, INSTALL and UPGRADING, I believe that I need to copy my ~mailman/lists, ~mailman/archives, and ~mailman/data from the old machine to the new machine. as well as adjust the aliases files where necessary. My question: is this sufficient? Is there any command I need to run, and/or other files I need to manual copy/merge? Many thanks for any help, David. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question - newletter, and importing members?
Hello, I am looking at mailman as one possible solution for providing a mailing list for up to 10,000 recipients. This would be for a client who would like to send a newsletter as well as promotional offers to their customers. First of all, would mailman be a good selection for this functionality? We would need to: 1.) Create a list with members from a file provided by the client from their database (Microsoft SQL server database), or in flat file format to be imported; and then 2.) Allow only the client to submit "mail" to the list? Finally we would need to: 3.)Allow therecipients to "opt out" of receiving any future mailings via automated e-mail request handling? How tough would this be to implement something like this? Is most of this standard usage for this application? Thanks for any and all opinions! Jim
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Hi, I want to restrict postings to only one (admin) address, so that no one else can post to the list. How to do this? Nino -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
On Wednesday 17 October 2001 12:21, Trudy A. Curtis wrote:
Hi,
We have just begun using Mailman in the last few weeks and are still in
the process of figuring things out. So far, it looks pretty good. I've
noticed that email submissions to a list include a lot of extra
information about the list servers, such as
List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help
List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://ppdm.org/mailman/listinfo/spatial-l,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe
List-Id: Spatial I I Project list server spatial-l.ppdm.org
List-Unsubscribe: http://ppdm.org/mailman/listinfo/spatial-l,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe
List-Archive: http://ppdm.org/pipermail/spatial-l/
As it turns out, our configuration is set up so that users can't actually
access any of this information (our Linux server is not accessible to the
public), so this information is confusing the users. I haven't been able
to find a way to shut this header off so that it does not get added to
the outgoing messages. Anyone out there know how to do that?
Thanks,
Trudy
You can certainly turn these off by editing the source code and then
recompiling. In your case this is fairly easy.
Greping through the source code indicates that the headers are added in :
~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
A good way into that file you will see something like this:
listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {
'List-Id' : listid,
'List-Help' : 'mailto:%s?subject=help' % requestaddr,
'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
'List-Subscribe' : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
'List-Post' : 'mailto:%s' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
}
#
It's all in plain text. Feel free to edit or delete (or add your own
fields). I would at a minimum keep List-Id:
listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {
'List-Id' : listid,
}
#
Now recompile and install.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
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[Mailman-Users] newbie question...
I'm a bit slow.. i've done things in the wrong order... I installed mailman (newest version) i'm running VA enhanced RH 6.2.4... mailman installed fine.. i created a test list... unfortunately, I went to it's website, added a user account and sent a test mail to the list from that user account before I realized just what I was supposed to do with that list of aliases... so I added the aliases to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases any mail i send to the test list comes back as "Returned mail: Service unavailable" - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest" (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"... Service unavailable I'm not quite sure how to interpret this message... anyone have any advice for me? TIA, J. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.threeofus.com -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
